You can really tell who’s never experienced poverty and food insecurity when it comes to discussions around food costs and how unhealthy food is cheaper. Some fucker always comes in with the price of like… lettuce or… apples. And it’s like yeah bitch but can you work an 11 hour shift after eating some salad and an apple!?! Find me something cheaper, and more filling than the broke ass staples of boxed mac and cheese, hot dogs, noodles, bread, beans, and rice. I’ll wait.
It also ignores the mental toll that poverty takes like maybe your home made veggie filled recipe isn’t crazy expensive but it also involves prep time and cooking time and organization in terms of fresh food that a lotta poor people can’t manage.
Not to mention if you can only afford to get to the store once every couple weeks via bus or cab then you can’t keep fresh veg on deck.
The other tell (to me) that someone has never experienced poverty or food insecurity is when people are viscerally disgusted by the idea of eating anything past expiration date, God forbid food that was pulled out of the garbage.
I have probably eaten more free food than food I’ve paid for. Because I don’t care if it’s expired or from the trash, as long as it passes the look test, smell test, and taste test, it’s fine.
40% of food in this country literally just goes to landfills because it’s more profitable to destroy edible food that won’t sell than it is to give it away/heavily discount it before it goes out of date.
We could enormously cut down on both food waste and hunger if there were laws passed making extremely heavy discounts on nearly out of date food mandatory.
Another example of the writers blatant misunderstanding of Vi's core characteristics is calling her the "violent one" in opposition to Caitlyn's more cool headed temperament.
Strengh is Vi's greatest asset. It's what she uses to protect the people she cares about because in a place like Zaun, they have to utilize everything they have to survive. Vi by far, has the most fight scenes, but none of them are her acting on her temper and inflicting senseless violence. Throwing punches is not her knee-jerk reaction. Even during her first fight scene, where mind you, she's only 15, Vi only swings first because she knows her family is in danger.
Someone will come and argue that her fight with Sevika is her acting on emotions because she does literally knee her in the face, but it is still very much an equal fight. She doesn't strike when Sevika is down. Basic fighting etiquette still applies despite her personal feelings. The reason she searches for Sevika in the first place is because she wants information about Powder. Vi and Sevika are narrative foils (at least in season 1), Sevika stands in the way of all Vi is trying to achieve. Them clashing is not just out of Vi's want for revenge and the anger she holds.
Vi hitting Powder is the only non purposeful act of violence Vi inflicts, and it's only when she's faced with a very traumatic event.
When looking at both seasons as a whole, the contrast doesn't work, because who is the person who's shown prone to going to extremes, reacting with anger and violence as a response to being called out and opposed? Or just displaying unnecessary, unapologetic violence?
Yeah...
(Even though portraying Caitlyn as violent by the show is also a mischaracterization on writers part)
Looking at Vi as violent and hot tempered because "she fights a lot" is a very surface level way to look at her character, which is a reoccurring thing in the writing of season 2. Vi's display of violence is not brash and reckless. It's a tool. A tool she was taught to use because in Zaun, using everything in your disposal is a necessity. Even then, her fights are fair, often strategic. Vi doesn't just lash out on people as an emotional response, but seeing that required more than two second look at her character, which the writers apparently didn't wanna do.
People praising the show for giving Caitlyn an uncharacteristic dictator arc as if it didn't rob her of her actual characteristic detective skills. Arcane Cait is an awful detective. Let's take a look at some of her stellar performances:
1) She doesn't suspect Marcus of corruption even though he shut down the investigation into the Hexgate Shimmer smuggling and kept it a secret from Jayce. In fact, when Jayce shows confusion about the Hexgate smuggling incident, she responds with "keep up", instead of "Marcus didn't tell you, the creator of the Hexgate, about the smuggling operation that took place there? Strange." Later Ekko tells her point blank that enforcers are working for Silco and she refuses to even open her mind to the possibility, despite knowing of Marcus's shady behaviour. Marcus ominously blocks them on the bridge, Ekko tells her again no, and she once again ignores him, and signals him to show the gemstone to Marcus, which gets Ekko shot. Only when the gun is pointed directly at her face does she realize Marcus is corrupt. El Em Eff Ay Oh.
2) How about her investigation into Silco and Jinx? Let's see, Caitlyn goes to Stillwater to uncover the culprits behind the recent crimes in topside and... and... Vi just tells her point blank that it's Silco. Okay, but she still needs to actually find out the name Jinx right? What intelligent detective work does Caitlyn pull off? She... follows Vi around while Vi solves the case for her. Vi gets the lead from Jericho, Vi takes her to the brothel, then later Vi just. tells her the name she got from Sevika. Vi just tells Cait Jinx's name. Then proceeds to lead Caitlyn directly to Jinx. Ok. So Vi solved the Silco and Jinx case for Caitlyn. At least Caitlyn figured out that the Hexgate Shimmer smuggling and the Progress Day bombings were committed by the same person................. because Jinx kindly left her extremely distinctive graffiti everywhere at both crime scenes.
3) Okay but SURELY after realizing Marcus is corrupt, Caitlyn would connect the dots that he may have been lying all along about how Grayson died? You know, Grayson, her beloved mentor, who mysteriously died brutally in the Undercity, after which she was succeeded by her corrupt second-in-command who works for Shimmer kingpin Silco? Does Caitlyn put 2 and 2 together and realize that whatever account Marcus gave of Grayson's death was false? Nope, because the show completely forgets about Grayson.
4) Okay, now it's Season 2's turn. Renni attacks the supposedly highly secure memorial. The Councilors discuss how this could have happened and conclude that she must have had help from a traitor amongst their ranks who wants to stoke the flames of war. Caitlyn shows up boasting about being a decorated officer. And she doesn't suspect Ambessa, the Noxian warlord who is very invested in the militarization of Hextech and the person in the room who would benefit the most from all-out war between Piltover and Zaun. Caitlyn will end up as Ambessa's protégé for months after this and the memorial attack will never be mentioned again.
5) Caitlyn then gets seduced by Noxian spy Maddie and bangs her for months, never once suspecting her. I mean, maybe Maddie really is just that good, but I still find it hilarious that this is the SECOND time Caitlyn realizes one of the enforcers is corrupt only when they point a gun directly at her head. This you, Cait?
6) Caitlyn spends months enacting martial law in Zaun and relentlessly searching every nook and cranny for Jinx. MONTHS. And she is never able to find her despite Jinx spending her time playing bug battles at home. When Jinx is finally arrested, it's because she surrendered.
7) Well, at least she figured out that Singed summoned Warwick to the prison.................... because Singed kindly stayed behind in his cell to get caught. Man, all these criminals are so kind to do Caitlyn's job for her <3
The ONLY mystery she actually solves entirely on her own without getting the answers literally handed to her, is that Singed is Corin Reveck. And even with that she inherited half the information in her mother's archives. Arcane Cait has the shrewdness and cunning of a 12-year-old. Almost every single mystery she faces either gets forgotten about (who let Renni in the memorial, how did Grayson die), or gets solved by another character (Vi tells her about Silco and Jinx, Ekko tells her about Marcus). Almost all the criminals she faces willingly expose themselves to her (Marcus and Maddie), or willingly get caught (Singed and Jinx). The show strips Caitlyn of her canonical strength from the game (her sharp detective mind), to force her into an unnecessary dictator role that demands her brain be smooth enough to get easily manipulated by Ambessa.
"She deserves her Dyketator era" and does Dyketective mean nothing to you?
"Oh, you think having a wealth gap makes a couple inherently toxic? Sounds like YOU'RE the classist!"
That's a sentiment I see Caitvi superfans use a lot. It dulls down the discussion surrounding what makes Caitvi so unhealthy by the time the show's reached its end. But that's not where the criticism inherently comes from, so I kinda wanted to make a post about it to untangle the webs of what I believe makes Caitvi's "happy" ending ring hollow from a narrative standpoint, as well as why so many in the critical tags see it to be upholding an unhealthy power dynamic rooted in classism.
Arc 1: The Buildup
(I'm not gonna harp on the whole Grey thing, because while we could argue all day about the political and ethical implications of Caitlyn weaponizing the Grey, it's ultimately not directly important to talking about the relationship between Caitlyn and Vi.)
Vi helped Caitlyn gas the factories and streets without arguing. While she was uncomfortable doing so, as we can see from the visuals we get off her throughout their hunting for Jinx in arc 1, she can't bring herself to argue. This opens by speaking on a level of discomfort Vi has with voicing issues she has with Caitlyn's behavior, and honest communication of boundaries is a core component of a healthy relationship. But, at this point in time, she believes that the ends justify the means, and believes Caitlyn's goal to kill Jinx is necessary.
Later, when they actually find Jinx, Vi realizes that she was wrong. Jinx is still Powder, just very, very broken, and that she's someone who matters. And not just to her. So she blocks Caitlyn's shot. She blocks her because Isha is far too close for it to be a safe shot. And while Caitlyn is a skilled marksman, there is a child blocking the shot now, a child that invokes memories of Powder. Though Caitlyn doesn't want to hurt Isha, there's much too high of a chance of her getting caught in the crossfire, and Isha is the agent for Jinx's potential redemption, something that Vi is able to see in that moment.
Caitlyn's response to her girlfriend not letting her take the shot is to call her blood tainted and hit her in a healing wound. When she looks back, there's not regret on her face, but resolution. Vi has failed her. So she doesn't say anything, because like Caitlyn knows, actions speak louder than words, and she walks away and leaves her crying. The way her eyebrows furrow and her eyes slightly squint, the position of her standing above Vi and looking down at her, and the gritting of her jaw all convey determination. Resolve. As far as she's concerned, she's entirely justified in what she said and did, or at the most generous, is lying to herself.
This is, quite frankly, not a healthy response to failure in any way, shape, or form. And while being angry is understandable, calling your partner's blood inherently dirty for her family ties and attacking her is absolutely unacceptable. Calling it a "one-time" thing implies that if abuse happens once, then it wasn't real abuse. But that is abusive behavior, and worse than that, it's a response that Vi believes is her fault.
Arc 2: The Damage
Arc 2 shows us how both Caitlyn and Vi have changed over the span of several months, and that both of them are unhappy in their respective positions. However, the positions in question are wildly different, and speak on how they respond to grief, pain, and perceived betrayal.
Whenever we see Caitlyn, we see her attempting to control every aspect of her position to the best of her ability. She's accepted her role to lead Zaun into an enforced martial law, and is given imagery that intentionally invokes the idea of a dictator. Those that protest her, the Jinxers, her enemies that revere her most hated foe, are given shots and an MV that calls as many parallels and references to the real-world BLM movement and the riot gear the police use. All of this calls attention to the audience that Caitlyn has become the worst kind of enforcer. And while Ambessa was whispering into her ear, she still made the conscious choice to order these things.
She listened to Ambessa because Ambessa catered to what an angry and vengeful Caitlyn wanted, which was to be justified in the situation. Caitlyn has gone from a naive fresh-faced enforcer that believed she was doing good, to a would-be dictator that can go above even the Council that takes a young cadet to bed in an effort to fill the void. And while this might not be the direction a lot of people wanted to see from her character, it makes sense. Caitlyn's greatest struggle growing up was being babied due to her status. She felt as though no one would ever take her seriously and was pushed by the need to prove herself and enact a change. It's a tale as old as time, characteristic of a young, wealthy, fresh-faced adult who initially goes in with dreams to make positive change, only for any tragedy to befall them. She leans heavy and hard on the ideals, the status, and the resources she gets from said background and uses them in her attempt to feel in control of her life. It's complex, human, but devastating to anyone who stands in her path to control.
Vi has done the opposite. Due to her extensive trauma from growing up in a dangerous neighborhood and 7 years falsely imprisoned and abused by her jailers, Vi processes her negative feelings through action, and in an effort to stay afloat in Zaun, becomes an underground pit fighter. While we only get an MV of this time, we can see just how much worse her mental health has become, with her pushing herself to her physical limits constantly, living in a dingy apartment, and diving headfirst into an alcoholic lifestyle. When Jinx does show up, despite having saved her at the end of arc 1, she's decidedly unhappy seeing her, because Caitlyn's outburst has made her feel like she was the one in the wrong that day. But she wasn't.
The TLDR here is that when Caitlyn feels betrayed, she lashes out physically and tries to take total control. When she's wronged, she hurts others. But when Vi feels betrayed and hurt, she takes it out on herself, destroying herself from guilt and pushing people away. When she's wronged, she hurts herself. The ways they both lash out are a recipe for what can quickly become a very, very toxic relationship, because regardless of who's right or wrong when the couple argues, or if a tragedy strikes the both of them, it is the same character who'll consistently receive the consequences.
That doesn't make them inherently unable to have a healthy relationship. But in order for it to be healthy and stable, both characters have to be willing to put active work into the relationship and themselves to get there. We've already seen once that they aren't able to do that when push comes to shove, but that was in the immediate aftermath of a great tragedy.
When they meet again at the end of arc 2, they form a shaky re-alliance to try and stop Ambessa. But the underlying context of why this happens isn't fantastic, at least not for Caitlyn. Vi is still angry, but she's also someone who's willing to forgive. She's dealt with loss since childhood- her parents, her brothers, her adoptive father and sister, and then Caitlyn. She's just gotten her father and sister back, and did so because she accepted that their being changed didn't mean they were different people. She's extending that same possibility to Caitlyn.
Caitlyn, on the other hand, has become increasingly more frustrated because she's realized that she was manipulated by Ambessa- IE, she wasn't in control. Even after her pain, and her abandonment of Vi, she was still manipulated. Now Vi was next to her again, and Caitlyn does still want her. She likes Vi's fire, her sexiness, her toughness, and her loyalty. Even when burned, Vi is always open to giving another chance. She did so with Jinx. She will do so with her. And that means Caitlyn can't lose her.
Arc 3: Happy Couple =/= Healthy Couple
When Vi and Caitlyn are together again in Piltover, Vi argues to free Jinx. Caitlyn won't do it, and when Vi won't listen to why she believes that's a bad idea, she lashes out both verbally and physically. Again. She throws the boat in her hand out towards Vi. It's a kneejerk reaction, yes, and it doesn't do any physical damage. But the fact of the matter is that when she was angry, Caitlyn's instinct was to lash out at Vi, because Vi was calling her out for half a year of being complicit in systemic violence. This immediately makes it clear that what Caitlyn did to Vi with her rifle in Act 1 cannot be referred to as a "one-time thing", that she was too full of grief for her mother to think clearly, that she was never violent again. She was. This, too, is violence.
This may not be common knowledge, but abusing the environment around you is a known warning sign of abusers. Slamming doors when angry, breaking things, throwing things, so on and so forth, are all signs of a lack of ability to regulate your emotions, and emerge by taking it out on the environment around you. Caitlyn has now exhibited this behavior as a pattern, and has directed said behavior at the person she loves twice. This is wrong, this is a pattern, and perhaps most importantly, this is not called out as such.
Caitlyn and Vi both feel as though they're drifting. We know that Vi just wants stability from the people she loves, and wants those people to stay what she believes them to be. She's extended forgiveness to Jinx out of faith. She's now done so for Caitlyn, but Caitlyn is pushing her away again. Caitlyn, meanwhile, wants control. She needs to have people in her life that trust her to do what she believes is right, regardless of whether or not she actually is. So she confronts Jinx, the person most important to Vi, the person that's consistently at the crux of their arguments. And she tries to convince herself that they are equals. She committed crimes for power, but so did Jinx, so that gives her some justification. But she's wrong, as she learns, because Jinx doesn't try to justify herself. She owns her wrongs, and doesn't want forgiveness for them. At every step of her and Vi's reconciliation, Jinx was acting for Vi's sake. Caitlyn is not. And now Jinx believes that acting in Vi's sake is to go away.
The sex scene is the culmination of Caitvi's relationship, and is extremely effective at demonstrating exactly how Caitlyn is the one in control and how Vi has been broken. And astoundingly, it seems to do so by complete accident. When Vi is trying to let out her feelings and be vulnerable, expressing how her worst fears for Jinx running and leaving her again have come to pass, Caitlyn flirts.
"Did you really think I needed all the guards at the hexgates? Sorry to say; you've grown a bit predictable."
Caitlyn doesn't try to empathize, or listen, or actually be any kind of emotional support for Vi. Her voice drops lower, she leans in a bit, and she almost brags about being the reason why Vi was able to free Jinx in the first place. 'Wow, look at me, I used my position at the top of the enforcers to move the guards for you. Isn't that sexy? Your freeing Jinx was because I let you.' But for Vi, someone desperate and abandoned and alone, it just reads as- 'I helped you. That means you're not alone.'
Then they fuck in the cell Caitlyn has command over, in the building Vi was forcefully held in for seven years. And worse, it's Vi who's pleasuring Caitlyn throughout. Vi, a former prisoner, pleasures the jailer inside the cell she commands. Supposedly, this is meant to be framed as Vi 'reclaiming her trauma', and I don't doubt that that was the intention, judging by the choice of music and Caitvi's final scene, but that isn't how it appears, even if Caitlyn herself wasn't the one jailing Vi specifically.
Now, there is nuance to be had here. While decidedly not a good partner, Caitlyn does still have genuine love for Vi. She makes a point to interrupt and tell her about Maddie first, and even shows visible regret at having attacked Vi with the gun in the past. These were both things she did to push Vi away and try to force her out of her life, and while they were both choices she made, they're choices that, months later, she's come to regret.
And that's realistic, because abusing someone doesn't mean you don't love them. Abusers are entirely capable of feeling love for their victims, and can sometimes even delude themselves into believing that their abuse is what's best for said victims, so that they'll stay together. That's something that's easy to forget, but it's true. Abusers aren't one dimensional, but that doesn't absolve them of their actions.
After all is said and done, we see Caitlyn examining the ventilation system once more, and finding the route by which Jinx could have lived. She smiles to herself, and then she keeps it to herself. Vi, who was absolutely devastated at the supposed sacrifice of her sister and father again in one fell swoop, who's already lost so many people, who never stops fighting for the people she loves if there's a chance they're out there, is kept in the dark. Caitlyn knows her girlfriend. If Vi catches wind of Jinx even just potentially being alive, she will go after her. Because her sister will always come first. Caitlyn knows that. And she doesn't say anything.
You can argue that this is Caitlyn respecting Jinx's wish to disappear. You can argue that this is Caitlyn giving up on revenge, and, well, it is. But it's more than just that. This is her allowing Jinx to kill herself. This is her allowing Vi's only other connection to fade into obscurity. And this is Caitlyn keeping Vi to herself. When she asks Vi what song she's humming, Vi shrugs it off as unimportant, even though that song is the one Powder sang when they searched for their parents all that time ago. She's singing her sister away to their family, and doesn't give this context to Caitlyn because it'll mean nothing to her. Even now, Vi's accepted that Jinx and Caitlyn would never be able to both be in her life. But she doesn't have to choose if Jinx is dead. If Caitlyn was solely letting it go to let go of revenge, she could have left the map for Vi to see on her own, let her go to find her sister the way she let her free Jinx.
This is the power dynamic. This is where the classism seeps in. Caitlyn has resources and power and control. Caitlyn can control the flow of information. Caitlyn has the power. Vi, meanwhile, has nothing but Caitlyn. She has no connections(her relationship with Ekko is straight up ignored in season 2), no family, no resources of her own. Even when she was on her own, trying to start fresh with literally nothing due to her prison time, she had to resort to underground fighting rings to scrape by. She's in a position of financial need, but Vi is happy anyways, because all that control relinquished to Caitlyn means Vi is stable. She has someone that'll come back to her the same way she comes back to them, and that's what she wanted, for someone to fight as much as she did. Never mind how ugly it gets when the going gets tough. Never mind that part of her torso is still wrapped. She's not alone, and so she's happy. They both are. But they are not healthy, and this conclusion being treated as the light at the end of the tunnel is horrific to anyone who's been in VI's position before.
Conclusion
So, no, your average Caitvi anti saying there's a power dynamic aren't wrong, nor are they making shit up just because they don't like Caitlyn. Not everyone may have the time or energy or words to articulate exactly why, but that doesn't mean it isn't there outright. That said, I can't really blame your average Caitvi enjoyer for being upset at this kind of accusation, and that's mainly because though the show portrays abuse, it takes the stance that if the love is there, it doesn't really matter in the long-term. The divide lies between those who take the show for what it's trying to say, and the people who see the show's biases and call them out.
The choice of music and focus on Caitlyn's perspective across the season as opposed to Vi being shoehorned into montages over and over makes it exceedingly clear that despite all of her crimes and actions, they want Caitlyn to appear sympathetic to the audience, and they want the audience to root for her to get Vi back while not caring about Vi's own stagnation. The show has the two of them happy at the end as part of their grand conclusion intentionally; you're supposed to like that they're together. The show wants you to think that it's a good thing, and a large chunk of the Arcane fandom prefers to take Arcane for what it was trying to be, instead of what it ended up being. And until people can stop harassing each other over what is at the end of the day a sloppily written work of fiction, there'll never really be a constructive conversation about it.
I actually quite like Caitlyn in that I think her fall from grace and corruption arc is really interesting, and I'm never opposed to toxic yuri in an intentional "bad ending." But Arcane and the creators have made it so clear over and over again that that's not what Caitvi was meant to be, so I can't not criticize it, especially not when there are some Caitvi diehards making a point to harass and attack anyone that says otherwise, making fucked up art mocking the George Floyd protests, bullying Ekko's VA out of the fandom, sending anonymous death threats to critical tag users, etc. Obviously I'm aware it's a vocal minority, but it's still happening.
im really annoyed with the lesbians who are like you couldnt even handle caitlyn kiramman and im like im SORRY I dont like the cop lesbian who used poisonous gas on poor people and called them animals and then said her girlfriend who is also one of those poor people was just like them. I dont fucking CARE that her mom died. it was a huge mask off moment and also im sick of lesbian cop characters in general also we can recognize shes a complex character and realize she is not actually *good* representation
she's privileged and classist and a damn cop who enacted a war crime on poor people and I dont CARE if "they were criminals" dont piss me off
vi baby find a better girlfriend. I'll treat you right 💔
it would have been BETTER to see her give up her badge after realizing how poorly the system actually treated the undercity
"you're not a real lesbian if you dont like caitvi" sorry I dont fuck with republicans even if they're women who eat box
lets talk about how caitlyn actually spit in the face of her mom's legacy by using the poison gas on the under city after her mom put those vents in place
caitivs: caitlyn sleeping with maddie isnt a big deal! people sleep around when they're upset all the time! and she's turned maddie into a faceless fleshlight and is thinking about vi the whole time anyway even though there's no indication that that's the case! also fuck maddie for being the one cait slept with i hope vi beats the shit out of her and...OOP whats this?? she died horribly??? yaaaay she deserved it for doing the same shit caitlyn did!!!
also caitvis: why are you shipping vi with another woman?? she only belongs with caitlyn! it makes her look so disloyal! i know its not canon but i still got my funky ass panties in a twist about it because i only see vi as cait's propertyyy!!!!
idk what people gain from defending vi for being written horribly...and telling people they "arent really fans of vi" for calling it out
i could never grow to hate her character and never will because i know it was written poorly and in the end she WAS turned into a lapdog for fuck sake did we not watch the same show??? they had her not say a single genuine word of care to her own fucking sister who's been locked up as long as she's been out, whos not been eating and who's dirty, not even having something as simple as a blanket or matress for comfort, and instead have her talk about helping the people that hurt and oppressed them...after her so called "lover" joined a warlord and oppressed their people for six months...you see how that shit makes no sense? having enough common sense to know thats bullshit isnt "being a fake fan" its actually giving a shit about vi's character and wanting better for her...she's ready to kill her own sister over a fucking crime against their oppressors but is ready to go down on the dictator who kept that oppression going??? DO YOU SEE HOW THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO DAMN SENSE???
and they always of course chock wanting her care for jinx to be consistent up to "you dont want her to do anything for herself!" mf jinx GREW UP! she doesnt have to baby her anymore and giving a fuck about your own kin doesnt mean you dont care about your own needs dear god...
there were no complexities to her character, she was reduced to a vehicle for a fucking ship, her trauma spat on reduced to DRAMA for said ship...yall are gonna stop acting like she wasnt done dirty and that people who wanted better for her character instead of giving her this shallow cheap writing are "fake".
lying to yourself and trying to bend over backwards for what is clearly lack of care and consideration for her writing is fake fan behavior more than anything...stop acting like her being metaphorically beat up and spat on by these centrist writers is something we should all be defending.
“Why is Caitlyn using the gray criticized but Jinx bombing the council isn’t?”
Because when you have all the socioeconomic power and resources there are worse implications from you using them. People in power SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD to prevent ABUSES OF POWER.
Again: Government officials and people put in charge of things should be held to a higher standard. That’s why a rich politician pocketing campaign funds is worse than a person struggling to feed their family shoplifting.
I think the thing I hate the most about Caitlyn is her stans. They preach about how people can’t handle morally gray characters but when someone points out something they didn’t like about Caitlyn they will bend over backwards to try and defend her. You say you don’t like how she gassed the chembarons or hit Vi and they will throw excess after excuse to show that she’s innocent or worse, just insult you or call you racism for having a different opinion. You can have a well-written morally gray character(and in my opinion, Season 2 Caitlyn isn’t) and still have people dislike them for valid reasons. I would legit have more respect for Caitlyn fans if they actually accept that yeah, Caitlyn did bad things and owned up to it instead of trying to examine every corner that she did no wrong. Because like the morally gray character you say she is, she did do things wrong.
This only just came to mind, but I was scrolling on tiktok and found a vi edit, and her mother was in it.
And I found it quite disturbing that caitvi fans find the comparison of Vi's mother and Caitlyn who look similar, in which I sure as hell don't, to be somewhat "healthy" and cute for Vi and how it's only mentioned once in the entirety of their dynamic.
Why is is that Felicia, Vi's own mother, who was KILLED by the very oppressive system that Caitlyn works and represents, is being compared to the woman who's at the center of that very problem.
"Felicia and Connol would support Vi's relationship with Caitlyn and would adore her as their own!" ....Mother fucker be SOOOOOO fucking fr right now.
We can collectively agree that we can't say shit about HOW they would, because we don't even know that much about them or their personalities aside from the fact Felicia has more characteristics linked to Jinx, or that they fought in a war for change, FOR their daughters.
But I can sure as fuck say that they wouldn't like the fact that Vi is with an OPPRESSOR who literally embodies the very thing they fought against and DIED to. And it's quite sickening they take the opportunity to romanticise the fact they look alike.
"It's not that deep" I fear it is gng
The fact that Amanda has collectively made this narrative, THROUGH CAITLYN AND VI, that "oppressors are people too" and that it's okay to be a bootlicker if they strip you of eveything you are, your identity, your own dignity, etc, is nothing because the rich will give you everything you were robbed by, is actually fucking gross.
Vi shouldn't have to leave her home for the sake of Caitlyn's own consequences and "accoplishments" that she only preserved for herself.
So no, despite not even knowing much about Vi's own parents, I think we can all collectively agree that no the fuck they wouldn't like Caitlyn, nor how their little girl was treated by her.
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