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Statistically I can't be the only one who feels a bit confused when Dick Grayson fans use panels of Bruce listing his children (eh, let's be honest, his sons/Robins. Most writers ignore Cass. Complain about that to DC, not to me, I know he adopted her before Flashpoint. He was also...not exactly a good father to her in my opinion, but that is not the topic) and him starting with Dick as evidence that Dick is his absolute favorite. I find the whole concept of rooting for a parent to have a favorite child weird. Great...so he treats the others worse...just...awesome. Wth. And usually the writers is literally just listing from oldest to youngest O_o. I don't think the writer was trying to say anything with that.

sheepishmastectomy

Tbh one of the number one things I notice when reading Batman is how Bruce uses knowledge of women's identities to control them in a really distinct way

And how he raises his boys to do the same...

Like obviously when we see the retcons in Batgirl year one, this occurs. With Steph as well... And then in another way with Cass, where she doesn't get a civilian identity? Or when we see him bully Helena out of the mask in no man's land??? And almost every time he has one of his boys at his side assisting him

Pretty much every female DC character deserves to punch Bruce really hard (and most of his male pupils/children deserve it too. There is a good reason the DC circlejerk subreddit calls Dick the CEO of misogynie and how badly most comics with Tim and his various girlfriends aged).

certifiedgirlrotter

“Violent nature” I swear people just be saying shit💀 in what universe is Damian hurting Jon and Jon keeps coming back like an abuse victim I genuinely cannot wrap my head around it

If we wanna be TECHNICAL, Damian is the one who’s been abused & neglected all throughout his life by the people he loves most and still comes back each and every time!!!!

Jon is basically indistrucable and he wasn't a doormat in Super Sons either, like what.

In fact I actually think Damian is a better friend to Jon than the other way around. Jon fucked off to be with his evil grandfather in space, came back several years older, then left again to be in the future with the Legion and when he learned that Damian would turn evil he at first did nothing, went to talk to him once only after Damian had a complete meltdown and then gave up on helping Damian return to the path of a hero after reading one note by Damian.

When Tim Drake came from the future to kill Jon because he would end up killing millions with an accidental solar flare Damian went "nope" and did everything to protect Jon from Tim and Damian's own Teen Titans team.

#like Clark and Jon are usually seen as these sweet innocent cinnamon rolls in their friendships with Bruce and Damian #but Jon has kind of abandoned Damian several times now #and Clark's ability to fail his children needs to be studied

At this point I'm simply tired of people calling Damian a nepo-baby because if you actually read the comics, which most people didn't apparently, you would know at least half of DC hate this child to an unreasonable degree.

Like...how do you look at a non-white child that DC uses to discredit his parents long romance, that Bruce needed to meet three times until he was allowed to join the household (which they didn't show), who got killed by Bruce's actions and even after reviving him got abandoned by him and blamed for Alfred's death (when he only exactly followed Bruce's orders) and to this day gets treated like a problematic burden by Batman writers and think: Oh yeah, this is the poster-child of nepotism. Doesn't matter that Bruce openly dislikes this child and refuses to take responsibilty in a lot if not most stories.

#oh and then Bruce is written to do the same shit as Damian because then it is cool and badass #where is the logic #damian wayne #bruce wayne

Dark Knights of Steel II #1

#well I guess it is okay because she chose to put his hand there

Seeing people try to sell Fraction!Bruce saying a few lukewarm words to Damian as good parenting is saying a lot about fatherhood.

It's also telling how a lot of them leave out that Bruce didn't just yell, he destroyed that punching bag. Wonder why that gets left out.

#damian wayne #bruce wayne #being a father is so damn easy

"Damian is Bruce's spitting image!"

"Damian looks exactly like Talia!"

Or! Or! He looks like a mix of his parents because that is what children are. I know, revolutionary concept.

@certifiedgirlrotter

That's exactly my problem with it. A few months ago we had that whole Knightfight thing and honestly a lot of the fandom posts kind of rubbed me the wrong way.

"Jason looks way more than Bruce than his actual biological son!"

"Damian looks like Dick's bio son! Not like Bruce's!"

...okay...this feels very dismissive of Damian's actual parentage? Or like "looks like Bruce equals better character/closer relationship to Bruce"

A lot of it felt simply weird? Idk.

Also why do people keep shitting on Damian and his importance to Bruce when even in 2026 the main Batman writer is very comfortable shitting on Damian, the relationship between Bruce and Talia and the father-son-relationship of Bruce and Damian?

What are people feeling so insecure about???

#shit on Tim or Dick instead idc

"Damian is Bruce's spitting image!"

"Damian looks exactly like Talia!"

Or! Or! He looks like a mix of his parents because that is what children are. I know, revolutionary concept.

#I strongly prefer Damian with green eyes and darker skin than Bruce over a Bruce clone #but some people take it a bit too far in the fandom #the obvious resemblance between Bruce and Damian has been noted by several characters over the years #and not just in the way they act #damian wayne #bruce wayne

I know Joker said someone is out to kill Bruce a few issues ago, but I doubt he meant the dude who hired Ojo to kill Bruce because honestly he was lame and as long as Ojo doesn't have that much more to her than her design and ability (which...she got one-shotted by Damian and faied again last issue) I don't care that much about her either.

What if Verity is secretly another assassin hired to kill Bruce lol. Would explain why she only randomly shows up now. And her skills in avoiding the sensors.

Don't care if this sounds petty, but besides everything else very wrong with that whole page...what the hell is up with the clothes?

Obviously referencing Bruce and Talia's wedding night from Son of the Demon in this context is pretty much evil. That pink outfit is in fact based on an outfit classic Talia wore, but it did not look like that. And since it implies this is the first time Bruce met Ra's and Talia together she should be wearing her iconic white dress. Talia's green Rebirth outfit included pants. Also it was her Rebirth outfit, so when Damian was 13, why is it used in a panel that is about before Damian got introduced to Bruce? When Damian got introduced to Bruce he wore a black and white outfit, not a traditionally chinese (?) shirt. And the part with Tim and Damian is also wrong, these are their Rebirth costumes, when they had long started accepting each other O_o

This is a crazy amount of mistakes on one page.

#damian wayne #talia al ghul

Okay, this is worse than I thought? How old is she? 12? I don't see how she can meaningfully take Alfred's place when she is younger than Bruce and maybe even Dick?

You could argue she is more for Damian, but how? Damian doesn't need a big sister, he has two already - Stephanie even criminally underused.

From the looks of it, this is just a cheap way to add more blond blue-eyed eye candy under the pretense of "oh, but she has a super important job to do".

The best we can hope for is that she is a mole/a traitor which will give her an interesting function.

As I said before, that would have been a great chance to add some body and age diversity for women in Batman comics. But I guess DC is scared to run out of skinny white women with blond hair and blue eyes.

I have already voiced why I'm sceptical about this character's concept in other posts (the fact that she simply cannot fill the narrative role Alfred had, that you can't trust male comic writers not to make her another pointless love interest, how Bruce needing to take care of himself and his family for the first time in his 40s was actually nice and showed growth/much needed maturity, the fact that the idea of an extremely young looking woman being made to look after Bruce and Damian when Alfred being a male and being the caretaker was kind of special...like at least give us an older woman for a change? Could go on, but you get the point) but also yeah, she might not even be who is says she is I guess?

Like is she also an (ex)-agent like Alfred considering that she avoided all the security? Society of the Midnight Key sounds suspicious. Plus if I went through all the trouble to become a highly trained agent I would not throw that all away to serve as a butler just because my great-uncle out of all people wants me to (plus it's been ages since Alfred's death...why is she only showing up now?). With Alfred he at least inherited the position from his own father.

And even if she is his great-niece, how much time can she have spent with Alfred? Alfred didn't even have much of a relationship with his daughter Julia because he dedicated his life to taking care of Bruce and later Bruce's children 24/7.

Absolute!Damian Wayne, but he is made after Thalia took Bruce’s DNA, combined it with her own, and made him in a tube (kind of like Kon). She sends him to Gotham after training him and doesn’t contact Bruce, expecting Damian to find his father by himself after she gives him some clues and tips for his journey.

Damian finds his father easily, but dislikes his values, morals, and what he stands for, so he resides in a long abandoned, random apartment complex while he plans for where to go next and how.

While waiting, he notices an attack planned and executed by Poison Ivy. After this he studies older files on her and stalks her, deeming her “worthy” for being a sort-of mentor figure/caretaker after noticing that, like him and the rest of the Al Ghul’s, she is also an eco-terrorist.

While Poison Ivy is put off by his initial behavior and his tendency to stalk her and multiple others, she quickly grows fond of him and agrees to take him in as long as he isn’t “too childish”.

Now combine all of that, and give Damian a pet bear, for good measure.

What? Hold on, pause for a second. What?

It starts with you not even thinking about the sentence "Talia took Bruce's DNA" critically.

This whole post wasn’t meant to be taken “critically”, it’s me mapping out an idea for an Absolute AU.

How does that matter? How does that make racism okay? "It wasn't meant to be taken critically"? Yeah, well I am criticizing you. I don't know how old you are, but please put more thoughts into what you write in the future.

Racism is never okay, I just fail to see what part of my post was racist. If you could at least explain properly which part was racist, so I could at least fix my error and apologize for such behavior, that would be much better.

You seriously see nothing wrong with the sentence "Talia took his DNA" and everything else about this post? This is the whole problem. I could probably explain to you everything wrong with this to you for hours. But I don't think you would understand or even want to understand.

I fear that no, I do not see anything wrong with the sentence “Thalia took Bruce’s DNA” (or anything else in this post) because I never mentioned anything about race nor anything that could warrant hate towards any race.

In fact, when stating “Thalia took Bruce’s DNA”, I even referenced another popular character who is a mix of DNA: Kon. Kon is a popular “test tube baby”, as he is a mix of DNA between Superman and Lex Luthor, which helped inspire this AU I thought of.

Instead of being vague and hinting at what I did wrong, I would really appreciate (honestly, this isn’t sarcasm) if you explained properly what was racist about what I wrote. Because if I did say something racist and inappropriate, I would like to fix it and formally apologize, as I stated before. But as of now, I don’t find anything wrong with anything that I wrote.

Thank you for proving my point that explaining things would simply be a waste of my time. Also...you can't even spell her name correctly. She is called Talia. Not Thalia. And I couldn't care less about Kon, I am talking about what you wrote about Damian and Talia plus about your lack of general critical thinking skills.

Absolute!Damian Wayne, but he is made after Thalia took Bruce’s DNA, combined it with her own, and made him in a tube (kind of like Kon). She sends him to Gotham after training him and doesn’t contact Bruce, expecting Damian to find his father by himself after she gives him some clues and tips for his journey.

Damian finds his father easily, but dislikes his values, morals, and what he stands for, so he resides in a long abandoned, random apartment complex while he plans for where to go next and how.

While waiting, he notices an attack planned and executed by Poison Ivy. After this he studies older files on her and stalks her, deeming her “worthy” for being a sort-of mentor figure/caretaker after noticing that, like him and the rest of the Al Ghul’s, she is also an eco-terrorist.

While Poison Ivy is put off by his initial behavior and his tendency to stalk her and multiple others, she quickly grows fond of him and agrees to take him in as long as he isn’t “too childish”.

Now combine all of that, and give Damian a pet bear, for good measure.

What? Hold on, pause for a second. What?

It starts with you not even thinking about the sentence "Talia took Bruce's DNA" critically.

This whole post wasn’t meant to be taken “critically”, it’s me mapping out an idea for an Absolute AU.

How does that matter? How does that make racism okay? "It wasn't meant to be taken critically"? Yeah, well I am criticizing you. I don't know how old you are, but please put more thoughts into what you write in the future.

Racism is never okay, I just fail to see what part of my post was racist. If you could at least explain properly which part was racist, so I could at least fix my error and apologize for such behavior, that would be much better.

You seriously see nothing wrong with the sentence "Talia took his DNA" and everything else about this post? This is the whole problem. I could probably explain to you everything wrong with this to you for hours. But I don't think you would understand or even want to understand.

Absolute!Damian Wayne, but he is made after Thalia took Bruce’s DNA, combined it with her own, and made him in a tube (kind of like Kon). She sends him to Gotham after training him and doesn’t contact Bruce, expecting Damian to find his father by himself after she gives him some clues and tips for his journey.

Damian finds his father easily, but dislikes his values, morals, and what he stands for, so he resides in a long abandoned, random apartment complex while he plans for where to go next and how.

While waiting, he notices an attack planned and executed by Poison Ivy. After this he studies older files on her and stalks her, deeming her “worthy” for being a sort-of mentor figure/caretaker after noticing that, like him and the rest of the Al Ghul’s, she is also an eco-terrorist.

While Poison Ivy is put off by his initial behavior and his tendency to stalk her and multiple others, she quickly grows fond of him and agrees to take him in as long as he isn’t “too childish”.

Now combine all of that, and give Damian a pet bear, for good measure.

What? Hold on, pause for a second. What?

It starts with you not even thinking about the sentence "Talia took Bruce's DNA" critically.

This whole post wasn’t meant to be taken “critically”, it’s me mapping out an idea for an Absolute AU.

How does that matter? How does that make racism okay? "It wasn't meant to be taken critically"? Yeah, well I am criticizing you. I don't know how old you are, but please put more thoughts into what you write in the future.

Absolute!Damian Wayne, but he is made after Thalia took Bruce’s DNA, combined it with her own, and made him in a tube (kind of like Kon). She sends him to Gotham after training him and doesn’t contact Bruce, expecting Damian to find his father by himself after she gives him some clues and tips for his journey.

Damian finds his father easily, but dislikes his values, morals, and what he stands for, so he resides in a long abandoned, random apartment complex while he plans for where to go next and how.

While waiting, he notices an attack planned and executed by Poison Ivy. After this he studies older files on her and stalks her, deeming her “worthy” for being a sort-of mentor figure/caretaker after noticing that, like him and the rest of the Al Ghul’s, she is also an eco-terrorist.

While Poison Ivy is put off by his initial behavior and his tendency to stalk her and multiple others, she quickly grows fond of him and agrees to take him in as long as he isn’t “too childish”.

Now combine all of that, and give Damian a pet bear, for good measure.

What? Hold on, pause for a second. What?

It starts with you not even thinking about the sentence "Talia took Bruce's DNA" critically.

dceased-dynamic-duo-4ever

Batman #11

Hey Bruce, Dr. Zeller has no idea that you're talking about the League of Assassins, so you're just sounding insanely racist.

Everything about that one-sided talk is simply insane once you think about it for a few seconds.

#plus why did the artist give the pink outfit pants....but took them away from the green one that canonically had pants...

"But what was Bruce supposed to tell Annika Zeller?"

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. He doesn't owe her any explanation. Especially not one that throws Damian and Talia under the bus. Zeller will never be as important as Damian and Talia.

deathstrokebreedernapologist

ESPECIALLY SINCE SHE DID NOT FUCKING ASK

she was lit minding her own business, bruce was the one who brought up 'complicated relationships', also complicated relationships means that yes there was some bad but also good, THAT PANEL DID NOT FUCKING SHOW ANY GOOD JUST..KEEP ON STACKING SHIT ABOUT TALIA..

as a wise man once said : he would not fucking say that

Most of my thoughts while reading this run are just "who asked for this?". Bruce asking Tim to drive over Damian was not needed, destroying a punching bag in Damian's face was not needed, Bruce throwing both his son and an iconic love interest under the bus for this person was not needed. And what is this all for? It's not interesting, it's not compelling, everyone comes out of it looking bad. Just stop.

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