[siryapsa]

Mini side note about Batman #10. I noticed that Damian hasn’t been doing his whole -tt- thing, which is weird because it is just so specific to him

He’s done these other sounds/things that we haven’t really seen him do previously

Heck it’s even the #1 thing most people both in real life and I canon do when they are specifically copying Damian

It just feels like this misunderstanding. Like this is an insane thing to forget or not add to his character

In Batman and Robin (New52) it is one of the first things Bruce starts doing in the time that Damian is dead. And this just feels like one of the things that help add on and add on when it comes to my feeling that Fractions doesn’t really know or get Damian

It especially kinda sucks to see Fractions completely ignore this when we know in canon that the whole -tt- sound is a habit he got from his mother.

Idk it’s just a thing that kid of bothers me cause it feels like something so Damian so to just leave it out of this depiction feels so wrong to me

[wesavegotham]

Sometimes its the "little things" that keep adding up. Like...Fraction is being paid to write these characters. Is it really too much to ask of him to pick up one of Damian's books? He could read almost anything and it would probably improve the weird writing.

[siryapsa]

I keep trying to hope or maybe assume that he’s doing this for some big picture that I just can’t see, but I feel like the more of the little things I notice aren’t there the less I am able to believe that

[wesavegotham]

Hope is good, I don't want to take it from you. But Fraction gets so many basic things about Damian wrong....I fear he simply doesn't know much about the character.

[fancyfade]

feels like how bruce being a shit parent differs when it comes to his various kids is that him being abusive to dick, jason and tim is catgeorized as dick, jason and tim struggling to deal with their parent figure being shitty but bruce being horrible to damian is categorized as bruce struggling to bond with his son and almost never as damian struggling to deal with his parent being shitty to him.

for an example when bruce tells damian alfred's death is his fault, it's bruce's struggle with grieving and blaming his kid and saying the wrong thing at the forefront, not damian's devastation and self-blame at hearing that. when damian walks out at the funeral after he gets blamed again and bruce does not defend him or even say anything, it's bruce's grief over alfred that is rendering him unable to react that is centred, not the kid leaving in tears even as babs yells at bruce for not saying anything.

it's not that dick, jason and tim's perspectives always get centred in comics where bruce is displaying such behaviour but that they at least get that in their own comics where their perspectives get centred and they are allowed introspection or mental monologues. their comics where bruce is written to be an asshole just to create angst for them (dixon's nw, rhato, can't really think of an example for tim in regards to bruce atm but the sentiment stands) at least get to exist. with damian this rarely happens in comics even where he is centred. this is even more blatant in the fandom.

Yeah it's like... I feel like Dick is allowed to get justifiedly angry at Bruce a lot more than Damian without being demonized for it. Even when Bruce isn't being abusive but is being kind of a loser.

Jaosn has a bunch of angst in rhato i can't bring myself to care about b/c it's written terribly and by scott lobdell

WRT Tim I don't think Bruce is generally portrayed as consistently abusive to Tim. Like there was that stupid Tom King plot point I've heard of but haven't read* but that's all that's popping up.

Overall its frustrating b/c just... the way fraction is writing Damian is so much like he has to apologize for existing, for being 'a hard kid' which. is a terrible message to send and also doesn't really fit damian (he wouldn't be apologetic, he might angst about it but he reacts by withdrawing or in ways that are unpalatable to whoever he wants the approval of often). and it's interesting b/c you go back to 2009 era batfam and this is present there as well, just with less angst about it... like everyone acts like it's hard to put up with damian, like he's just a kid you deal with, more focus on how he annoys the adult characters than how he feels.

I cannot remember if I was going anywhere with this anon... but anyway! thank you for sharing the observations!

*Bruce communicating in punch-code

[wesavegotham]

There really isn't that much to the Tom King thing. Bruce fought through a gauntlet of Arkham inmates, got out, met with the batfamily, Tim asked him about his feelings and Bruce punched him in the face because King relied on cheap shock-value and then Alfred comforted him. There was a lot of fan-backlash and ten issues later Bruce reveals that he taught all of his kids a punch-code to tell them to switch to alternative communication because that makes punching your kids better somehow? I think we were supposed to feel for Bruce.

Back then we still had sales numbers and the sales went down like a lead baloon. It's like people don't want to see a hero punch his kids.

And then it wasn't brought up again because King got too caught up in "bat, cat, bat, cat, boat, street, boat, street, I will break your back, NO I will break your back Bane!"

Sorry, just remembered how dumb King's Batman run was. The last few issues could have written by an AI because he was just recycling previous lines.

Back to topic: I know there is a whole discussion about King not even meaning to kill off Alfred. He wanted it to be a fear-gas-hallucination and then Dan Didio called him to make the death real. But it's still wild to me how much King ignored Damian after Batman #77. I'm pretty sure the only thing we get in that run after Flashpoint Batman somehow beating everyone is Bruce talking to Alfred's grave telling how everyone came over for dinner and everything is fine because Bruce is back with Catwoman. Because that is going to help his son who had to watch Alfred get his neck spapped while Damian was just following Bruce's orders.

[siryapsa]

Mini side note about Batman #10. I noticed that Damian hasn’t been doing his whole -tt- thing, which is weird because it is just so specific to him

He’s done these other sounds/things that we haven’t really seen him do previously

Heck it’s even the #1 thing most people both in real life and I canon do when they are specifically copying Damian

It just feels like this misunderstanding. Like this is an insane thing to forget or not add to his character

In Batman and Robin (New52) it is one of the first things Bruce starts doing in the time that Damian is dead. And this just feels like one of the things that help add on and add on when it comes to my feeling that Fractions doesn’t really know or get Damian

It especially kinda sucks to see Fractions completely ignore this when we know in canon that the whole -tt- sound is a habit he got from his mother.

Idk it’s just a thing that kid of bothers me cause it feels like something so Damian so to just leave it out of this depiction feels so wrong to me

[wesavegotham]

Sometimes its the "little things" that keep adding up. Like...Fraction is being paid to write these characters. Is it really too much to ask of him to pick up one of Damian's books? He could read almost anything and it would probably improve the weird writing.

[eatmoresoups]

nitpicky and dumb but damian saying “hh” in fraction’s run instead of “tt” is bothering me

[eatmoresoups]

wait im gonna be even more annoying there’s two OTHER dismissive little sounds he does and still NO TT!!!!! that’s NOT his cute little sound!! give him his TT he can’t see without his TT

[wesavegotham]

Making him make "tch" is just weird. Read one of Damian's books and you know what Damian's signature sound is.

[eatmoresoups]

matching W shirts so we know they’re wayne’s. so full of themselves smh 🙄

[wesavegotham]

Alfred probably had a lot of fun always putting them in matching outfts.

[eatmoresoups]

lol alfred laying out these shirts for them. i think he probably forced that giant helmet damian’s got on in this story too.

[wesavegotham]

He wants them to stay alive. Helmets are important kids.

[wesavegotham]

I think one of the only moments I truly enjoyed from Fraction's Batman run was Bruce getting kicked in the balls by Damian. Because I dislike his Bruce that much.

[wesavegotham]

Not comic related, but I'm so excited to see more of Laufey in that new God of War game. I always wished to see more of her after she started God of War 2018 being dead. And the losers whining about a middle aged looking woman being the protagonist can simply cry themselve to sleep.

[wesavegotham]

The gamer community is so damn weird. You know women buy and play video games too. We are a major part of the market. If I as a woman have to see myself in a male character to get invested you can do the same for a female protagonist. It's 2026.

[wesavegotham]

Not comic related, but I'm so excited to see more of Laufey in that new God of War game. I always wished to see more of her after she started God of War 2018 being dead. And the losers whining about a middle aged looking woman being the protagonist can simply cry themselve to sleep.

[wesavegotham]

My enjoyment of Fraction's Batman keeps being impacted by me simply not liking his take on Bruce. Also can Bruce stop talking to hallucination Alfred, it makes him look like a lunatic.

Plus we are ten issues in and it still all feels like endless buildup. Other writers give you a complete cool storyline in less issues. You only push out one issue per month, give me something to talk about.

[eatmoresoups]

matching W shirts so we know they’re wayne’s. so full of themselves smh 🙄

[wesavegotham]

Alfred probably had a lot of fun always putting them in matching outfts.

[wesavegotham]

I'm conflicted because I'm deeply sleep-deprived, but 22pm-7am is like the only time nobody demands anything from me.

[madkoka]

the baby that some dc writers still try to villianise.

[wesavegotham]

Damian is a disney princess. In one Rebirth Nightwing issue he even befriends a dragon.

[wesavegotham]

The DC circlejerk subreddit is so damn goated for making disliking Tim Drake one of their main jokes.

[wesavegotham]

The only thing that keeps me from doing it is that my willingness to get into stupid heated arguments changes from hour to hour.

[wesavegotham]

What do you think the reaction would be if I posted the request to find a fanfiction that treats Tim as evil and everyone else as his victim in the Tim Drake tag.

Would sure be a fun day.

[myg9795949392]

STOP LARPING

CAN YOU PEOPLE PICK UP A COMIC OR TWO BEFROE YOU START SPOUTING BS ALL OVER THE PLAVE ABOUT CHARACTERS YOU DONT UNDERSTDN. INSTEAD OF READING 23 BILLION FANFICTIPNS READ THE SOURCE MATERIAL OMG.

[blurgydorp]

the really fun thing about liking batfam fandom and being an avid comic reader is that I'll be scrolling through tumblr and reading a post and will enjoy it, then immediately, with a smile, say "they would not fucking do that" (affectionate)