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that scene in KE but make it Bruce and Jerome
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Bruce's "None of this is real" line in Ace Chemicals except it's him telling himself that when he finds himself missing the old Jeremiah
None of this is real / None of that was real
You're trying to manipulate me / He was trying to manipulate you
It will never be real
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Gotham Bruce Wayne is so funny man
What do you mean you've been dealing with so many kidnappings and multiple murder attempts since the age of 13 that you mostly react to them with nothing more than an eyebrow raise
What do you mean the person who's actually hurt you the most is the same one who says you're the only thing they've ever loved
YES WAYLESKA CONTENT YOU KNOW WE LOVE IT! 😭🫶🏻
Thank you thank you
I'll always come back to them
I really feel for people who stan Jeremiah and are anti-wayleska because they have to watch his entire s5 arc, hear him outright say in the finale that Bruce is the only thing he's ever loved, listen to Cameron say Jeremiah has feelings for Bruce like a dozen times and just deal with the fact that, ultimately, yelling at random people isn't going to undo all of that
Bruce: All we have to do is leave.
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David advocating for batjokes is so cathartic bc i remember ages ago some were suggesting that gotham!batjokes wasn't really a two-hander and only Cameron was playing up the tragic love arc (which is crazy because david has talked about Jeremiah loving bruce before the ace chem episode dropped and the fact that he literally plays Bruce as though he's on the verge of crying in every other scene he has with post-reveal Jeremiah but okay)
I need to hear these two guys idea dumping on each other while filming season 5
postgrad David and Cameron are dream Gotham blunt rotation for real because i geniunely think they're both incredibly delightful and unhinged and strange individuals and i also think that they both knew what they were doing.
Like, putting it into context— Cameron was just coming off 11 years of Shameless US, jesus christ. He was a gayism veteran at that point, he knew what the tone oh his plot was, of course he was going to act it that way and talk about it that way. But also, David was a 16 years old kid. Like, i dont know what indepth philosophical nuance people expected him to bring to the table, he was a fucking child at the time, teens take things lightly, it's what they do. But still it's an insane, insane thing to me that some people thought that gotham!batjokes is an unintended one sided narrative because, as you yourself said, David's acting is incredibly deliberate and distinct, Bruce's body language is a whole world of its own when it comes to Miah, and we're not even talking about the plot points. So i think that in the specific S5 time frame he played it more intuitively and less philosophically like Cameron did, and he didn't necessarily have a grown up's vocabulary around the narrative, i honestly didn't expect him to. But now that he's older and has had time away from the clutches of DC and also more years on him, he's came back full force. His analysis and understanding of Joker is on point, and he took extra care to really highlight where his priorities lie in a "Joker Essey" video by sticking the fucking "only Batman would go to this length to find the good in Joker, because he's his one true love" comment sticker right on top. There was no reason for him to highlight that comment, or draw any attention to it at all, if he wasn't aboard the batjokes train of hell. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and man does it heal me to the bone, i'm just so glad to know that everybody has been on the same page all along, it shows on screen and offscreen
@03140418 "If i loved you less i might be able to talk about it more" STOP STOP I'M ALREADY DEAD—
No but for real, the people who think wayleska is one sided might as well have 4 pair of eyes to me because Bruce's love language is offers of resources and protection. and he ONLY ever offers these to two people; Selina and Jeremiah, noone else. In season 1 he offers Selina to come live with him, have a safe home, warm food, protection from street thugs. In season 4 he offers Jeremiah Valeska —the brother of a known psychotic criminal that tried to kill him three fucking times— full funding in golden Wayne Enterprises cash, after having been in his mere vicinity for some wonderful, wonderful 3 hours. No background research, no resume read-ins, no inquiries on how much fund the project might even need, how large the scale of it is, what the financial and commercial commitments of the contract would be, if the Wayne Enterprises board could even be persuaded to fund the independent project of an insane criminal's insanely weird brother.
Like, i dont think people actually understand the level of absurdity and insanity and lovestruck stupidity of the context, what Bruce did for Miah on spot. He offered him millions of fund upfront, no questions asked whatsoever, and it wasn't just money. When Jeremiah dumps Bruce in Jerome's grave and goes to visit Wayne Enterprises, he has active access card to all of the building, each and every door, without a supervisor or accompanying company staff. His generators are not stored in a WE warehouse somewhere in whateverville outside Gotham; they're stored in THE central Wayne Enterprises warehouse directly located under the main WE building. Jeremiah more or less has CEO-level access to almost the entire building, and Bruce had a level of trust in this man that was quite frankly incomparable to anything he had ever offered anybody else before, and you better damn well believe that he fought the WE board members tooth and nail to secure all the means Miah needed to completely his project. The entire central Wayne Enterprises build was at the service of Jeremiah's project, their had their best scientists dedicated to the reproduction process. And people think that Bruce had no feelings for Miah, or was just trying to be "a good friend"? He is a good friend to Lucius, and Lucius didn't even get half the resources that Bruce allocated to every need Jeremiah might have. Jeremiah's generators were possible literally because Bruce poured everything he was and everything he had into Jeremiah’s life, and it's the very thing that eats him from the inside.
And so really, who cares if a 16 years old boy doesn't have the most intricately nuanced Freudian take on a script he's given to play before he's even legal to touch alcohol? Look at the narrative in front of you, Gotham TV is ripe to the point of burst with subtle subtext and symbolism, this show relies so much on metaphors and parallels— do people really think that it was a fun cutesy unintended accident that the scene where Jeremiah and Bruce meetup in the bunker when Jeremiah's going insane is shot in a way that has both character surrounded with wilted yellow roses, a symbol for friendship and affection and ALSO lost romantic love?? Do they think it's a fun whatever, the way the Ace Chemical fight almost exactly replicates Five and Selina's fight in which Selina falls to her death?? Like c'mon, for anyone who wasn't 14 and had even just the most basic grasp on literary symbolism David said nothing that we didn't know before, and he really didn't have to. The story is right there, everything in this song is written in a very specific key, and Nygmobblepot dont jump out of a happy meal box by the finale and declare "WE LOVE EACH OTHER SO MUCH!!!!" either, and people see them as canon just fine, so i have to wonder what exactly keeps them from seeing wayleska for what it is, which is an explicitly canon struggle between two obsessive, heartbroken men in love who will do anything at this point to get under each other's skin, because hatred is just love translated into familiar language.
Speak on it! I feel like everyone jokes about how fast Jeremiah fell for Bruce but for someone who had a self-destructive phase where he constantly surrounded himself with false friends you'd think he would learn to be even more reserved. But no he gave so much of himself to Jeremiah. It went beyond being someone's sponsor and friend. That line where they talk about how the Church of Jeremiah had to learn about Bruce's "joys, disappointments, and desires" says so much!! Those are things Jeremiah wouldn't just know about even if was stalking him. Bruce did not only offer Jeremiah everything he could dream of, he opened up his heart and tried to swallow him whole
The yellow roses!! That scene was pure heartache, also I Feel like people don't talk about the fact that Bruce reassures Jeremiah (with tears in his eyes!!) that there's no reason for him to stop thinking they'll be friends AFTER he learns about the insanity gas and Jeremiah starts acting weird. Bruce was so gone for him that for a moment he was sure he could fix him and that they'd make it out of the morgue hand in hand
Oh if we're talking about parallels/metaphors/symbolism-- you know that scene where Bruce gets fear gassed and he hallucinates a Jokerfied Alfred.... His biggest fear is a loved one turning mad….. Hmm i wonder if that has anything to do with someone Bruce was previously close with…must be a coincidence…
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