And even though I cut off the communication at the end due to jay just talking in circles and ignoring the issue at hand, I don’t have him or his fiance blocked here - if he really wanted to work this out he could contact me, privately or publicly, to show me first hand the supposed proof he has that I was emotionally abusive to him or his fiance at all.
Remember kids, if someone who’s being called out only sends you the ““true story”” in private messages, it’s probably so the person who is calling them out can’t shut them down bc they’re lying.
I like how all @beastparade/@tortle and his fiance can do is make vague claims that me and my fiance were “abusive” when not only do I have photographic/screencapped based proof that they were severely emotionally manipulative and genuinely bad people, but it’s not just me alone making the art scam claims against them.
there is literally pages and pages of proof and artist bewares/comments/testimonials from commissioners backing up my claims that at the very very least they are art scammers who use guilt tripping and gaslighting to avoid completing commissions and who make various accounts which they abandon as soon as their bad business habits catch up with them.
If you don’t fully believe my post about the abuse I endured at their hands irl, then at least check out the art scam claims because this has been going on consistently for over two years - and there are still many MANY people who are owed art or hundreds of dollars worth of refunds from these people.
if you need some proof and don’t feel like digging, here you go
@TORTLE/@BEASTPARADE IS EMOTIONALLY ABUSIVE, AN ART SCAMMER, AND AN ANIMAL NEGLECTOR/HOARDER
This post is not meant to be a call to harass the persons involved. If you are a relatively close friend of the people involved, it is your decision whether or not to mention this to them and discuss it, but if you do please keep it private for the sake of all parties unless they desire it to be public. If you are not a friend of them, believe what’s in this post, and want to “take action” against them, please ONLY do so by unfollowing them and not giving them your business. Under no circumstances do I advocate or demand for the harassment of these persons regardless of the things they have done.
I have been living with @tortle/@beastparade and his fiance for the past two years (Until this past month when I moved out - only stayed due to the lease keeping me there).
I do not feel comfortable posting the lease information as it contains both my and @beastparade ‘s deadnames, but if he or his fiance denies that I lived with them, I will post the proof without question.
——–
I will admit I am more than a little nervous posting this, but it has come to the point that I am being mentally tortured over the idea that no one knows what I have experienced with these people. I am for all intensive purposes burning down this blog and everything I’ve created with it because I know they check up on me, I know that no matter how many people believe or support me that there will be people who think I am faking or will take their side out of loyalty.
But it’s gotten to the point where seeing someone reblog either of their art makes me have an anxiety attack thinking back to living with them, so when there’s nothing left to burn ya gotta set yourself on fire I suppose.
——–
Art Scamming:
I will super briefly go over the Art Scamming since a few disgruntled people have done a lot of the work for me. As a note, please read the comments on the artist beware links - it’s insightful.
Friend’s experience: http://sta.sh/21eojrs7k4wb?edit=1 (used with explicit permission)
On top of this, me and my fiance have both had people come to us asking to help get refunds from @beastparade - the reason they couldn’t contact him was that he was blocking people who demanded their long-overdue commissions too excessively (while still taking on more and more commissions).
——–
Animal Neglect/Hoarding
During my fiance and mine’s 2 year stint living with them, these are the conditions we were subjugated to. Keep in mind that we were only living out of our room due to the living rooms/kitchen area being so overfilled with filth and our roomates’ things/boxes/animals
http://102938329201.tumblr.com/page/4
(starts at last page so that it’s chronological)
Me and my fiance were forced to live in these situations (9 cats, 2 dogs, misc reptiles) and were called irrational when we asked for them to clean up after themselves.
I was told that I had anger issues for lashing out and telling @beastparade he uses guilt tripping to manipulate people into not holding him responsible for his actions - and for 6+ months him and his fiance used the entirety of the house while me and my fiance were trapped exclusively in our room.
They ended up leaving a week or so before the lease was up, leaving me and my fiance to clean up the entirety of the house after them (videos in blog link). We know they did not come back to truely clean because we were there until the very last day until the landlord came for the key and told us they were already gone for good.
you can see that the animals in the pictures are his as evidence on his blog @beastparade.
——–
Emotional Manipulation
You can see some of the guilt tripping in the A_Bs and my friend’s personal experience where they broke down for @beastparade exactly how he was using guilt tripping as a form of emotional manipulation.
As for my personal experience, here is the very last exchange me and @beastparade had.
http://sta.sh/2juezu7duow
there is a lot of angry words. I was angry and I am sorry that I apologized even once for it. I was stupid to think that giving ground to meet halfway was ever going to be an option with someone who told me that I was irrationally angry at the living situation and should respect that my anger was upsetting to them without considering that their actions justifiably caused my anger.
In the end I stopped the conversation because I saw that @beastparade was going to only focus on my anger and refuse to address the squalor and emotional manipulation.
——–
I really didn’t feel like it would come down to this, but two things changed my mind about making this post
1 - I was informed that @tortle/@beastparade was telling people I steal styles and people shouldn’t do business with me (someone approached me without knowing our history because they thought it sounded fishy)
2 - Someone linked me a post that @tortle/@beastparade had made on twitter without knowing about our situation and I discovered that I had been blocked, even though I made my twitter long after our falling out and had only posted it on my profile on one site. I do not appreciate the fact that him or his fiance are “checking up” on me.
——–
And that’s where I’m going to stop this conversation. I’m done. This blog is done. You can believe me or not based on what you see here and how @beastparade will no doubt respond.
I’m the friend in the post who called out gatorbite/tortle/jay publicly in FA comments about my commission.
when I first commissioned Jay we were mutuals on FA. We commented on each other’s things, and it was actually Exdog/Max who set me up with him to get a commission (so before Jay starts saying Exdog & Botly were trying to impede their business or something, I’m just gonna shut down that train of thought and say that’s an outright lie).
the commissioning process was going well, but my initial discontent was sparked when I saw Jay posting other people’s commissions–commissions he had taken long AFTER he took on mine–before mine. Yet he kept insisting my commission would “be posted in [blank] amount of days” or “it will be posted tomorrow.” When I saw he said the same thing to another commissioner is when I posted my first comment.
he then ignored my comment, and hastily posted my commission on FA within the day, along with a VERY nice compliment in the description, saying I was an artist he admired and how he struggled with the design, etc etc.
I then called him out on his guilt tripping tactics publicly (which you can see in the rest of the stash) focusing on how he put me in a position to forgive him because he wrote such a nice comment, and to give him a pass because he had difficulty with the design.
some may fault me for doing so publicly, which I can understand, but that at this point in the commissioning process I was made aware of the Artist Beware posts about him, and how he BLOCKS people who criticize his business practices if they PM him. More commonly: he just ignores or deletes the comments/PMs.
As it so happens, the original submission file has since been deleted.
Jay promised me in his comments he would fix how he conducts his commissioning process but he has not done so. He continues to take on custom adoptables and has an overflowing queue of custom designs. Upon a quick look at his FA journals and gallery, it’s evident he hasn’t completed any since November. This isn’t even including the art he has owed some commissioners for 2+ years.
I realize he has a cool art style and “seems like a nice guy”, but does that really compare to how some commissioners have sent hundreds of dollars to him with no follow-up? Especially when a chunk of them sent him that money in an emergency commissions situation to HELP HIM (read journal and comments)? Only to get a guilt tripping, manipulative response (if at all)? It’s disgusting.
I realize there will be continued loyalties because “he’s kind to me and does my commissions,” and well, that’s nice. Personally, I can’t stand by someone who treats people like that, no matter how friendly to me he once was.
I hope that Jay can one day apologize for his behaviour, give refunds where applicable, and stop putting more than he can handle on his commission plate. Until then, please be warned of this individual, as his business practices are some of the worst I’ve seen.
Gonna join in here and say that me and 2 of my friends have also been scammed and ignored multiple times, and he has deleted the shouts they left on his page, which were not even rude in the slightest. Reading this, I really regret sending him my old pokemon/neopets stuff. He said he would do art as payment for sending them to him, but he stopped talking to me as soon as he (presumably) got them. Of course.
@TORTLE/@BEASTPARADE IS EMOTIONALLY ABUSIVE, AN ART SCAMMER, AND AN ANIMAL NEGLECTOR/HOARDER
This post is not meant to be a call to harass the persons involved. If you are a relatively close friend of the people involved, it is your decision whether or not to mention this to them and discuss it, but if you do please keep it private for the sake of all parties unless they desire it to be public. If you are not a friend of them, believe what’s in this post, and want to “take action” against them, please ONLY do so by unfollowing them and not giving them your business. Under no circumstances do I advocate or demand for the harassment of these persons regardless of the things they have done.
I have been living with @tortle/@beastparade and his fiance for the past two years (Until this past month when I moved out - only stayed due to the lease keeping me there).
I do not feel comfortable posting the lease information as it contains both my and @beastparade ‘s deadnames, but if he or his fiance denies that I lived with them, I will post the proof without question.
——–
I will admit I am more than a little nervous posting this, but it has come to the point that I am being mentally tortured over the idea that no one knows what I have experienced with these people. I am for all intensive purposes burning down this blog and everything I’ve created with it because I know they check up on me, I know that no matter how many people believe or support me that there will be people who think I am faking or will take their side out of loyalty.
But it’s gotten to the point where seeing someone reblog either of their art makes me have an anxiety attack thinking back to living with them, so when there’s nothing left to burn ya gotta set yourself on fire I suppose.
——–
Art Scamming:
I will super briefly go over the Art Scamming since a few disgruntled people have done a lot of the work for me. As a note, please read the comments on the artist beware links - it’s insightful.
Friend’s experience: http://sta.sh/21eojrs7k4wb?edit=1 (used with explicit permission)
On top of this, me and my fiance have both had people come to us asking to help get refunds from @beastparade - the reason they couldn’t contact him was that he was blocking people who demanded their long-overdue commissions too excessively (while still taking on more and more commissions).
——–
Animal Neglect/Hoarding
During my fiance and mine’s 2 year stint living with them, these are the conditions we were subjugated to. Keep in mind that we were only living out of our room due to the living rooms/kitchen area being so overfilled with filth and our roomates’ things/boxes/animals
http://102938329201.tumblr.com/page/4
(starts at last page so that it’s chronological)
Me and my fiance were forced to live in these situations (9 cats, 2 dogs, misc reptiles) and were called irrational when we asked for them to clean up after themselves.
I was told that I had anger issues for lashing out and telling @beastparade he uses guilt tripping to manipulate people into not holding him responsible for his actions - and for 6+ months him and his fiance used the entirety of the house while me and my fiance were trapped exclusively in our room.
They ended up leaving a week or so before the lease was up, leaving me and my fiance to clean up the entirety of the house after them (videos in blog link). We know they did not come back to truely clean because we were there until the very last day until the landlord came for the key and told us they were already gone for good.
you can see that the animals in the pictures are his as evidence on his blog @beastparade.
——–
Emotional Manipulation
You can see some of the guilt tripping in the A_Bs and my friend’s personal experience where they broke down for @beastparade exactly how he was using guilt tripping as a form of emotional manipulation.
As for my personal experience, here is the very last exchange me and @beastparade had.
http://sta.sh/2juezu7duow
there is a lot of angry words. I was angry and I am sorry that I apologized even once for it. I was stupid to think that giving ground to meet halfway was ever going to be an option with someone who told me that I was irrationally angry at the living situation and should respect that my anger was upsetting to them without considering that their actions justifiably caused my anger.
In the end I stopped the conversation because I saw that @beastparade was going to only focus on my anger and refuse to address the squalor and emotional manipulation.
——–
I really didn’t feel like it would come down to this, but two things changed my mind about making this post
1 - I was informed that @tortle/@beastparade was telling people I steal styles and people shouldn’t do business with me (someone approached me without knowing our history because they thought it sounded fishy)
2 - Someone linked me a post that @tortle/@beastparade had made on twitter without knowing about our situation and I discovered that I had been blocked, even though I made my twitter long after our falling out and had only posted it on my profile on one site. I do not appreciate the fact that him or his fiance are “checking up” on me.
——–
And that’s where I’m going to stop this conversation. I’m done. This blog is done. You can believe me or not based on what you see here and how @beastparade will no doubt respond.
I’m the friend in the post who called out gatorbite/tortle/jay publicly in FA comments about my commission.
when I first commissioned Jay we were mutuals on FA. We commented on each other’s things, and it was actually Exdog/Max who set me up with him to get a commission (so before Jay starts saying Exdog & Botly were trying to impede their business or something, I’m just gonna shut down that train of thought and say that’s an outright lie).
the commissioning process was going well, but my initial discontent was sparked when I saw Jay posting other people’s commissions–commissions he had taken long AFTER he took on mine–before mine. Yet he kept insisting my commission would “be posted in [blank] amount of days” or “it will be posted tomorrow.” When I saw he said the same thing to another commissioner is when I posted my first comment.
he then ignored my comment, and hastily posted my commission on FA within the day, along with a VERY nice compliment in the description, saying I was an artist he admired and how he struggled with the design, etc etc.
I then called him out on his guilt tripping tactics publicly (which you can see in the rest of the stash) focusing on how he put me in a position to forgive him because he wrote such a nice comment, and to give him a pass because he had difficulty with the design.
some may fault me for doing so publicly, which I can understand, but that at this point in the commissioning process I was made aware of the Artist Beware posts about him, and how he BLOCKS people who criticize his business practices if they PM him. More commonly: he just ignores or deletes the comments/PMs.
As it so happens, the original submission file has since been deleted.
Jay promised me in his comments he would fix how he conducts his commissioning process but he has not done so. He continues to take on custom adoptables and has an overflowing queue of custom designs. Upon a quick look at his FA journals and gallery, it’s evident he hasn’t completed any since November. This isn’t even including the art he has owed some commissioners for 2+ years.
I realize he has a cool art style and “seems like a nice guy”, but does that really compare to how some commissioners have sent hundreds of dollars to him with no follow-up? Especially when a chunk of them sent him that money in an emergency commissions situation to HELP HIM (read journal and comments)? Only to get a guilt tripping, manipulative response (if at all)? It’s disgusting.
I realize there will be continued loyalties because “he’s kind to me and does my commissions,” and well, that’s nice. Personally, I can’t stand by someone who treats people like that, no matter how friendly to me he once was.
I hope that Jay can one day apologize for his behaviour, give refunds where applicable, and stop putting more than he can handle on his commission plate. Until then, please be warned of this individual, as his business practices are some of the worst I’ve seen.
I really should have expected this - everyone who has tried to hold him accountable for his actions in the past has been called a shitty and abusive person (including several people simply asking for refunds for their long overdue commissions).
I think he does it as a defensive mechanism but it doesn't excuse it - it’s not acceptable no matter who you are or what you’ve been through.
@tortle can call me abusive all he wants but in the end there is a significant difference between calling someone out on their manipulative guilt tripping and literally trapping someone in their room for 6 months without the ability to use the kitchen and living room, then leaving a mentally ill and a physically disabled person to spend several hundred dollars and a ton of mental and physical stress to clean up an entire house abandoned in their filth.
@tortle/@beastparade is emotionally manipulative, an art scammer, and an animal hoarder/neglecter
proof/pictures under the cut for length - feel free to reblog if you need to
This post is not meant to be a call to harass the persons involved. If you are a relatively close friend of the people involved, it is your decision whether or not to mention this to them and discuss it, but if you do please keep it private for the sake of all parties unless they desire it to be public. If you are not a friend of them, believe what's in this post, and want to "take action" against them, please ONLY do so by unfollowing them and not giving them your business. Under no circumstances do I advocate or demand for the harassment of these persons regardless of the things they have done.
I have been living with @tortle/@beastparade and his fiance for the past two years (Until this past month when I moved out - only stayed due to the lease keeping me there).
I do not feel comfortable posting the lease information as it contains both my and @beastparade ‘s deadnames, but if he or his fiance denies that I lived with them, I will post the proof without question.
--------
I will admit I am more than a little nervous posting this, but it has come to the point that I am being mentally tortured over the idea that no one knows what I have experienced with these people. I am for all intensive purposes burning down this blog and everything I’ve created with it because I know they check up on me, I know that no matter how many people believe or support me that there will be people who think I am faking or will take their side out of loyalty.
But it’s gotten to the point where seeing someone reblog either of their art makes me have an anxiety attack thinking back to living with them, so when there’s nothing left to burn ya gotta set yourself on fire I suppose.
--------
Art Scamming:
I will super briefly go over the Art Scamming since a few disgruntled people have done a lot of the work for me. As a note, please read the comments on the artist beware links - it’s insightful.
Friend’s experience: http://sta.sh/21eojrs7k4wb?edit=1 (used with explicit permission)
On top of this, me and my fiance have both had people come to us asking to help get refunds from @beastparade - the reason they couldn’t contact him was that he was blocking people who demanded their long-overdue commissions too excessively (while still taking on more and more commissions).
--------
Animal Neglect/Hoarding
During my fiance and mine’s 2 year stint living with them, these are the conditions we were subjugated to. Keep in mind that we were only living out of our room due to the living rooms/kitchen area being so overfilled with filth and our roomates’ things/boxes/animals
http://102938329201.tumblr.com/page/4
(starts at last page so that it’s chronological)
Me and my fiance were forced to live in these situations (9 cats, 2 dogs, misc reptiles) and were called irrational when we asked for them to clean up after themselves.
I was told that I had anger issues for lashing out and telling @beastparade he uses guilt tripping to manipulate people into not holding him responsible for his actions - and for 6+ months him and his fiance used the entirety of the house while me and my fiance were trapped exclusively in our room.
They ended up leaving a week or so before the lease was up, leaving me and my fiance to clean up the entirety of the house after them (videos in blog link). We know they did not come back to truely clean because we were there until the very last day until the landlord came for the key and told us they were already gone for good.
you can see that the animals in the pictures are his as evidence on his blog @beastparade.
--------
Emotional Manipulation
You can see some of the guilt tripping in the A_Bs and my friend’s personal experience where they broke down for @beastparade exactly how he was using guilt tripping as a form of emotional manipulation.
As for my personal experience, here is the very last exchange me and @beastparade had.
http://sta.sh/2juezu7duow
there is a lot of angry words. I was angry and I am sorry that I apologized even once for it. I was stupid to think that giving ground to meet halfway was ever going to be an option with someone who told me that I was irrationally angry at the living situation and should respect that my anger was upsetting to them without considering that their actions justifiably caused my anger.
In the end I stopped the conversation because I saw that @beastparade was going to only focus on my anger and refuse to address the squalor and emotional manipulation.
--------
I really didn’t feel like it would come down to this, but two things changed my mind about making this post
1 - I was informed that @tortle/@beastparade was telling people I steal styles and people shouldn’t do business with me (someone approached me without knowing our history because they thought it sounded fishy)
2 - Someone linked me a post that @tortle/@beastparade had made on twitter without knowing about our situation and I discovered that I had been blocked, even though I made my twitter long after our falling out and had only posted it on my profile on one site. I do not appreciate the fact that him or his fiance are “checking up” on me.
--------
And that’s where I’m going to stop this conversation. I’m done. This blog is done. You can believe me or not based on what you see here and how @beastparade will no doubt respond.
@TORTLE/@BEASTPARADE IS EMOTIONALLY ABUSIVE, AN ART SCAMMER, AND AN ANIMAL NEGLECTOR/HOARDER
This post is not meant to be a call to harass the persons involved. If you are a relatively close friend of the people involved, it is your decision whether or not to mention this to them and discuss it, but if you do please keep it private for the sake of all parties unless they desire it to be public. If you are not a friend of them, believe what's in this post, and want to "take action" against them, please ONLY do so by unfollowing them and not giving them your business. Under no circumstances do I advocate or demand for the harassment of these persons regardless of the things they have done.
I have been living with @tortle/@beastparade and his fiance for the past two years (Until this past month when I moved out - only stayed due to the lease keeping me there).
I do not feel comfortable posting the lease information as it contains both my and @beastparade ‘s deadnames, but if he or his fiance denies that I lived with them, I will post the proof without question.
--------
I will admit I am more than a little nervous posting this, but it has come to the point that I am being mentally tortured over the idea that no one knows what I have experienced with these people. I am for all intensive purposes burning down this blog and everything I’ve created with it because I know they check up on me, I know that no matter how many people believe or support me that there will be people who think I am faking or will take their side out of loyalty.
But it’s gotten to the point where seeing someone reblog either of their art makes me have an anxiety attack thinking back to living with them, so when there’s nothing left to burn ya gotta set yourself on fire I suppose.
--------
Art Scamming:
I will super briefly go over the Art Scamming since a few disgruntled people have done a lot of the work for me. As a note, please read the comments on the artist beware links - it’s insightful.
Friend’s experience: http://sta.sh/21eojrs7k4wb?edit=1 (used with explicit permission)
On top of this, me and my fiance have both had people come to us asking to help get refunds from @beastparade - the reason they couldn’t contact him was that he was blocking people who demanded their long-overdue commissions too excessively (while still taking on more and more commissions).
--------
Animal Neglect/Hoarding
During my fiance and mine’s 2 year stint living with them, these are the conditions we were subjugated to. Keep in mind that we were only living out of our room due to the living rooms/kitchen area being so overfilled with filth and our roomates’ things/boxes/animals
http://102938329201.tumblr.com/page/4
(starts at last page so that it’s chronological)
Me and my fiance were forced to live in these situations (9 cats, 2 dogs, misc reptiles) and were called irrational when we asked for them to clean up after themselves.
I was told that I had anger issues for lashing out and telling @beastparade he uses guilt tripping to manipulate people into not holding him responsible for his actions - and for 6+ months him and his fiance used the entirety of the house while me and my fiance were trapped exclusively in our room.
They ended up leaving a week or so before the lease was up, leaving me and my fiance to clean up the entirety of the house after them (videos in blog link). We know they did not come back to truely clean because we were there until the very last day until the landlord came for the key and told us they were already gone for good.
you can see that the animals in the pictures are his as evidence on his blog @beastparade.
--------
Emotional Manipulation
You can see some of the guilt tripping in the A_Bs and my friend’s personal experience where they broke down for @beastparade exactly how he was using guilt tripping as a form of emotional manipulation.
As for my personal experience, here is the very last exchange me and @beastparade had.
http://sta.sh/2juezu7duow
there is a lot of angry words. I was angry and I am sorry that I apologized even once for it. I was stupid to think that giving ground to meet halfway was ever going to be an option with someone who told me that I was irrationally angry at the living situation and should respect that my anger was upsetting to them without considering that their actions justifiably caused my anger.
In the end I stopped the conversation because I saw that @beastparade was going to only focus on my anger and refuse to address the squalor and emotional manipulation.
--------
I really didn’t feel like it would come down to this, but two things changed my mind about making this post
1 - I was informed that @tortle/@beastparade was telling people I steal styles and people shouldn’t do business with me (someone approached me without knowing our history because they thought it sounded fishy)
2 - Someone linked me a post that @tortle/@beastparade had made on twitter without knowing about our situation and I discovered that I had been blocked, even though I made my twitter long after our falling out and had only posted it on my profile on one site. I do not appreciate the fact that him or his fiance are “checking up” on me.
--------
And that’s where I’m going to stop this conversation. I’m done. This blog is done. You can believe me or not based on what you see here and how @beastparade will no doubt respond.
