live action actually making ppl argue that Azula never cared about Mai and Ty Lee and she would've genuinely made them fight to the death in order to prove their loyalty.
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live action actually making ppl argue that Azula never cared about Mai and Ty Lee and she would've genuinely made them fight to the death in order to prove their loyalty.
How the ‘Avatar Legends’ retcon fails Kya
Let me show you 2 moments from TLOK:
season 2, episode 9
season 2, episode 13
Both of those moments deliver the same joke: Kya doesn’t know how to meditate and when she attempts it, she ends up clumsily messing it up. In the first instance, it’s even a visual joke: Check how Jinora and Meelo, 2 characters who know how to meditate, have one stick of incense placed in front of them while Kya is awkwardly holding 2 sticks.
These jokes take on a deeper meaning when you read how the showrunners first conceived the character of Kya:
The Legend of Korra show bible
They envisioned Kya as someone who didn’t know her father very well- therefore, she doesn’t really know his culture or how to practice it.
Then in 2022, we got this retcon:
[…] she did internalize some of his [Aang’s] lessons about philosophy, meditation, and balance, holding them close to her heart for her whole life. Now, as the Air Nation's growth strains its leadership's time and energy, Kya has stepped up to help teach those same lessons her father taught her, both at Air Temple Island and out of her Dragon Flats-based clinic.
If you have encountered any K*taang account in the wild, you know that this semi-canon paragraph has been wildly celebrated. Now, out of nowhere, Kya knows meditation so well that she can teach classes about it! Hooray!
Bryke, stop bullshitting us. You established twice over that Kya doesn’t know how to meditate, you can’t erase what you portrayed in your show and try to convince us that she was a meditation expert all along. It’s clear that the showrunners don’t care about the Kya as a character, they see her as a tool to clear the mistake that they made when they wrote TLOK!Aang as a neglectful father.
Anyways, here is the full information that we get about Kya in Avatar Legends, and I’d like to highlight my favorite quotes and those that I believe reflect her canon characterization:
“When disaster strikes, she can quickly switch between healing the injured and taking on attackers without missing a beat.”
“She does have some lingering pain, though, from her father favoring Tenzin, the Airbender, over his other children.”
“When she's in the city, the waterbending master Kya runs a free clinic out of a converted tenement in the middle of Dragon Flats. The clinic provides physical and mental healthcare, preventative to emergency, to a neighborhood that most needs it and can least afford it.” (emphasis mine)
“Katara broke boundaries as the first woman known to modern history to receive formal training as a master of both waterbending combat and waterbending medicine. Her daughter Kya was part of the first generation of young Waterbenders to learn both disciplines side by side.”
“Kya grew up frustrated that the world saw her as just a Waterbender, and not another child of Air Nomad heritage. Yes, she is an expert Waterbender, and she gladly accepted the traditions and culture of her mother... but she has always felt an affinity with Air Nomad culture. Her father taught Tenzin about Air Nomad culture far more than he taught either her or her brother Bumi […]” (empashis mine)
I love Kya so much. I wish the writers did as well.
natla is again going to set the fandom's understanding of and empathy for azula back 100 years
the biggest psyop in atla history is the insistence that azula has gold eyes. they were never gold in the cartoon, always some shade of amber-brown
the idea that aang did not integrate into katara's culture at all is just not true
the air nomads lived almost entirely gender-segregated, did not practice marriage, and raised children communally, with a non-relative 1:1 guardianship system as well. the marriage and the nuclear family that kataang engaged in comes from the customs of katara and the water tribe
whether or not this is enough on aang's part compared to how much katara integrated to air nomads culture, or whether this is romantic or burdensome, is up to interpretation, i suppose
heavy on the tenzin tags and i really feel it’s gross that people’s response to the misogynistic writing of lin is to double down on the misogynistic writing of pema,
when, like you said, he could’ve been with lin and got pema and a million other acolytes pregnant, but instead he wanted to recreate the family structure he grew up in with a partner he loved, not just a vessel for reproduction
i also headcanon tenzin found himself alone and scared after aang died, katara moved out. he was in that big house all by himself and looked at his deck of cards.
again, whether romantic or perfect or oppressive or misogynistic or not your cup of tea or whatever, it’s worth nothing tenzin is also living a very non-air nomad life for a traditional air nomad, for people who insist on him not embracing his water tribe heritage enough or whatever
tenzin and pema's relationship is a whole other post or ten. or was going to be
it is likely that tenzin and pema have structured their family unit like how aang and katara structured their own. pema and her relationship with tenzin and her children has implications on the burden and division of domestic labor, childrearing, etc when tenzin and his siblings were growing up
like you mentioned, the writing surrounding pema is deeply, deeply misogynistic. the vast majority of her scenes play, centrally, on sexist jokes and stereotype: she is a stressed, burdened, overworked mother
there are moments where his children cause tenzin stress, but pema constantly talks about how worn out and tired she is. even heavily pregnant and later with a young infant, we see her minding her other children and cooking for her family constantly. the acolytes do seem to clean the temple (and likely cook for themselves), but beyond helping pema give birth, they do not seem to help care for the children at all
aang cultivated this order of acolytes to help preserve and perpetute air nomad culture, but they don't help care for the children. not even tenzin's children, who are all airbenders, which we are shown the acolytes are particularly excited about. why? what's, like, the point if they don't teach the children?
the southern water tribe has monogamous marriage and nuclear families, and seems to keep the majority of childcare to within close kin. aang integrated himself to these customs so that he could marry katara and have children with her
whether these customs meshed well with air nomad customs, whether aang assimilated particularly well, and whether or not katara and later pema thrived with how kataang integrated their families and cultures is up to interpretation
i do agree with these tags. i also think that, since the vast majority of atla's fanbase comes from cultures where monogamous marriage and the nuclear family are societal norms, it is difficult for people to understand/remember that aang is actively letting go of a large part of his culture, instead of it just being the norm for him as well
also, i just don't think it is communicated that well in the show
We all know that Katara getting pregnant with Aang's kids is a sign of her disempowerment and her subjection to a man, while her getting pregnant with Zuko's kids would be proper feminism and her liberation.
the idea that aang did not integrate into katara's culture at all is just not true
the air nomads lived almost entirely gender-segregated, did not practice marriage, and raised children communally, with a non-relative 1:1 guardianship system as well. the marriage and the nuclear family that kataang engaged in comes from the customs of katara and the water tribe
whether or not this is enough on aang's part compared to how much katara integrated to air nomads culture, or whether this is romantic or burdensome, is up to interpretation, i suppose
There's this paradox between A.ang and Zuko's philosophies of harm reduction/non-violence that the narrative pretty clearly wants us to take A.ang's side on but honestly? This will make people mad but without a Lion Turtle Ex Machina to save the day so that A.ang doesn't have to make any tough decisions, Zuko was right and his stance was the one that held the sanctity of life in higher regard.
Aa.ng's stance was that he couldn't bring himself to kill the Fire Lord because "he's still a human being" regardless of the wider consequences of leaving the Fire Lord alive, knowing that the Fire Lord wanted to rain Nuclear Armageddon down on the Earth Kingdom and burn millions of people alive.
To Zuko it was the world's easiest Trolley Problem. You either don't pull the lever and allow millions of people to be burned alive, or you pull the lever and kill the guy trying to nuke the planet.
Zuko looked at the situation about to unfold and resolutely decided that they needed to stop it by any means necessary, including violence, even if that meant helping kill his own father. The most clear cut "lesser of two evils" situation the world has ever seen.
Because in real life, violence is NOT never the answer, sometimes it's actually the only correct answer, and in this hypothetical, being hesitant was actually quite selfish because it meant playing with the lives of millions of people and having a philosophical debate on whether or not it's morally acceptable to use defensive violence to stop mass murder when it's meant to be literally his divinely ordained job to protect the world by any means necessary including violence.
Like the trolley is barrelling down the tracks and Aa.ng is standing next to the lever and debating whether or not it's morally correct to pull it and divert it away from the millions of Earth Kingdom citizens and towards the guy who tied them all to the tracks in the first place, meanwhile the Earth Kingdom citizens are screaming and crying begging for him to do something and he's like "eeueggghhhhhhh but he's still a human being and I saw his baby picture. 🥺"
I'm aware this was a Nickelodeon show so they had to find a workaround to the hero killing a guy even though it's a show that centers around a war (and why still I fantasize about there one day being a reboot that Bryke are uninvolved in and that is not constrained by needing to be kept PG), but even if we accept that A.ang was handed a pass and killing didn't end up being necessary, no one could've possibly known that that was an option and based on all of the information they had, Zuko was still right to be crashing out at A.ang for dragging his feet on whether or not he'd kill Ozai.
Because Zuko had his priorities straight, he valued the lives of the millions of innocent people in the Earth Kingdom over his genocidal dictator father's life while Aan.g was still unsure about it, willing to risk all of those people's lives for the sake of his own squeamishness at the idea of killing someone despite the fact he'd already reasonably killed dozens of people without having to know their names, faces, or watch them die.
The sort of sanctity of life philosophy that Zuko was espousing is the kind that accepts the hard truths of life, that sometimes doing the Right Thing is unpleasant but that it has to be stomached, it has to be braved for the greater good even if it makes us uncomfortable.
This might seem like a non sequitur but hear me out. As someone with a background education in environmental studies and a vegetarian of 6 years, this is an area where people who know me IRL find my opinions to be somewhat contradictory, but they're really not when you take harm reduction into account. True environmentalism CANNOT be pacifistic and committed to non-killing, because nature is not pacifistic. Nature cooperates just as much if not more than it competes with itself, nature seeks balance, and life cannot exist without death to balance it.
Though I might be committed to not eating animals, though I might feel my ire rise every time I see the forests being eaten by machines, I also understand the grey areas and wiggly lines present within the philosophy of ecology. If you want to protect the ecosphere, you have to get comfortable with the idea of cutting down sick trees, of culling invasive species, of hunting animals whose other natural predators have been extirpated, and of lighting some controlled burns. Environmentalism isn't always pretty, and sometimes it looks like the opposite of what the general public would assume it is.
Sometimes the greater good feels mean and gruesome, sometimes public safety and environmental safety means capturing a wild animal, euthanizing it, and decapitating it to dissect its brain and test for rabies. Sometimes it means mass-culling feral cats when there's not enough resources to rescue all of them and the population has gotten out of control because otherwise it means allowing the local bird, reptile, amphibian, and small mammal populations to be hunted to extinction. And I say that as someone who loves cats and would prefer to see all of them rescued and neutered and placed in loving homes, because I also have the maturity to understand that that's not always possible and my hurt feelings at the idea of feral cats being culled are not more important than the ecosphere, and protecting the greater good means making hard decisions.
Zuko's philosophy is to swallow the discomfort and do what needs to be done to protect the greater good. He'd be the type of environmentalist overseeing controlled burns, culling invasive species, and rightly rolling his eyes at the rebranding of pleather to "vegan leather" and going on rants about how buying real leather is the truly eco-friendly option and second-hand leather is the most eco-friendly and vegetarian-friendly, while A.ang would be the type of person who thinks he's an environmentalist but is anti-all-hunting and wears plastic "leather" that will end up in a landfill in a year instead of animal byproducts that will last a lifetime.
Aa.,ng's non-violent philosophy wants to have its cake and eat it too, wants to save innocent people without having to hurt the ones threatening them. Zuko's philosophy is harm reduction that acknowledges that some violence is necessary and that the greater good often means doing things that are unpleasant.
I don't care who the narrative would have us believe is right, I can see with my own eyeballs and logic that Zuko valued life more than his own complicated feelings. It doesn't matter who espoused non-violence because valuing non-violence is not the same as valuing life, and sometimes it can even mean the opposite.
i think that s3 really dropped the ball exploring how aang's pacifism was challenged by the world, the war, and his role in it, along with his perception and memories of the pacifism of his people (gyatso one day you will have your day in the sun). whether this was due to a lack of time, a lack of interest, or the show rating, i don't believe we know?
aang is challenged, repeatedly, by the other characters on his feelings about not killing ozai. he is questioned often, made fun of, and belittled. zuko in particular rides him hard about killing ozai. we see aang ponder what is the right decision. and then aang given a way out via the lion turtles.
the interesting thing between zuko and aang's conflict over killing ozai is that zuko is also unwilling to kill ozai.
To Zuko it was the world's easiest Trolley Problem. You either don't pull the lever and allow millions of people to be burned alive, or you pull the lever and kill the guy trying to nuke the planet.
this isn't true, or maybe zuko thinks that it is, that he believes in harm reduction at all costs, but during DOBS we see zuko being given ample opportunity to pull that lever and kill his father, but he doesn't. he is offered the lever and decides to walk away, stating that it is aang's destiny to kill ozai, not his
this belief could be for a variety of reasons; remaining love for his father, filial piety, fear of public perception if he committed patricide, staunch belief in fatalism (more prevelant in china than tibet). what is interesting is that also during DOBS, zuko learns firelords can be killed by forces other than old age or avatars (ursa, later retconned to ozai, murdered azulon) but still never questions this idea that it is concretely aang's destiny to kill ozai, and thus zuko cannot do more than bluster and threaten him
the trolley continued to barrel down the tracks between DOBS and sozin's comet. zuko actively decided not to reduce the harm the FN was doing. at some level, he still valued his father's life. zuko pushed the responsibility off to aang, and then criticizes how aang handles the it
aang is zuko's lion turtle. zuko can want ozai dead, help in achieving it, but he does not have to personally dirty his hands with the act, and he ultimately does not have to critically examine his unwillingness to kill his father bc "it is aang's destiny". zuko's philosophy here also wants to have its cake and eat it too
the discourse surrounding what katara would have wanted post-atla is all way too ship-focused and not actually centered at all on, yknow, katara
i am pretty neutral towards zutara but a lot of the rhetoric repeated in the fandom turns me off. like, why does katara need the position of fire lady to hold political power? is being the master waterbender of the southern water tribe not enough? or is the SWT too small to matter? while the fire nation did deliberately and forcefully weaken the SWT's power, it was a goal of katara's to help lead the recovery of the SWT. is this not a "good" enough goal for her? why would it suddenly be her prioty to rehabilitate the people and culture of the fire nation?
currently an atla sideblog bc i have opinions that are too long and wordy for main