This is actually a more convoluted topic than I originally thought, so forgive me if I jump between the different elements. Let's start with speed:
I: Speed
There's a constant association of Max, our Zoomer or speed queen, to a peregrine falcon.
(You see the toy, the poster a a few more details like that drawing on Max's left, or ducks and wheels in the other.)
The peregrine falcon is the fastest animal on earth.
And it has been talked about it in the link(s) (also see see down below) before, I believe we could take another look at it and it may have been overlooked.
The peregrine falcon/knight is Max in the chess game:
Here, here, and here (note that I incorrectly call the peregrine falcon a hawk in I think the first posts due to a translation issue)
The moment in which we see Max next to the falcon poster, saying "Holy shit this is insane" moment literally comes up in the revival which was never (directly) mentioned again though it's such a big moment for El, Max in S4 and seemingly for the story. (there's a fleeting nod made by Max saying that something called for her...that's it). And the peregrine falcon is a symbol of rebirth.
So, it doesn't come up and @anonymusauros pointed out here and here that the reason is that they are the key to restore/save (or get the characters back or whatever) the correct timeline is ElMax.
"Speed queen" can be seen after Max wakes up in the laundry room which in itself is a nod to the Argo which essentially means "switft"
Zoomer (it's seen from the perspective as "being fast" - aside from the zooming effect around El's head in S4 which is mostly ignored.)
Peregrine Falcon
Speed Queen
the Argo (which also stands for "ship" as in relationship)
Hence: the Millennium Falcon.
II: Millenium Falcon
We see El letting the toy of the Falcon fly in 1x3, so why use the Millennium Falcon other than to make a pop cultural reference? (btw I would have liked to see cultural references to the things like Franco-Belgian comics that heavily influenced Star Wars if not quite literally ripped it off as there are accounts of french artists who saw comic books in the art departments of Georg Lucas's oh so brilliant film production. They didn't understand the stories as these comics were in French but found the art of let's say Jean Giraud aka Moebius and others - but as these parallels show it's possible that the Duffers were aware of it) This could be part of my current sort-of-series: the Falcon from Star Wars is a ship, a vessel.
Let's talk about ships. What is the Millennium Falcon? A ship. A space ship as they connect the Mercury Project and the Pioneer One rocket.
A vessel. For whom?
We've heard of Eddie (Edward) being accused being a vessel for the devil, we had the characters named William (Will and Billy) being possessed.
What about God? El? - Yes, the God & Dog connection, the meaning of the characters in the show keep switching all the time. In this case El and Max. While I discussed the God and Dog allegory before, it kinda works the other way around especially in regard to the "name" Eleven in it's shortened form. And while the show clearly points to the two characters being interchangeable.
Max's body is a vessel, a ship for, well: ghosts and El is a ghost. (as described in the script of the finale)
A vessel or ship like the Argo. Like ElMax. Blue and Yellow.
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And this ship flies.
And here it gets interesting. Han claims that the Falcon made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs. And, yes, a parsec is measuring distance, not velocity, and exactly 3.26 light-years. You are probably already guessing where this is going.
1) 3.26 light-years. - 3+2+6=11
2) What's less than 12 parsecs? Um, let's say... 11? So, let's do a bit of advanced algebra. 3.26x11 = 35.86 Hm, let's see, 3+5+8+6=22. Oh.
Catch 22 if you can:
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Strap in
"I felt so free. It's like I could fly, you know?", Robin. Another proxy dialog - Seriously, are the Duffers one trick ponies who can only tell the true story of characters through other characters? Because this is an annoying pattern.
Also on side B, I guess. Where is it? The same salt mine in Transylvania as the 30 minutes of cut scenes of Event Horizon?
Speaking of side B. Which song is on side B of "Running up that hill" again? Ah, yes, "Waking the witch" (like the Sorceress of Castle Grayskull that transforms into a falcon)
Like a witch that can turn into a peregrine falcon and manipulate time? (Post that inspired this thought) Miss Peregrine.
The fastest animal on earth. Manipulate time. Come on! Wouldn't be surprised if there's a deeper connection with this movie/novel and Stranger Things. After all the Duffers like to use seemingly random references that are telling completely different stories.
âStars, too, were time travelers. How many of those ancient points of light were the last echoes of suns now dead? How many had been born but their light not yet come this far? If all the suns but ours collapsed tonight, how many lifetimes would it take us to realize we were alone? I had always known the sky was full of mysteriesâbut not until now had I realized how full of them the earth was.â, Miss Peregrine's school for peculiar children.
Fun fact about peregrine falcons. Aside from being the fastest animal on earth, they have binocular vision.
The Peregrine Falcon is the fastest animal alive diving at speeds faster than 180 MPH and capable of seeing its prey to lock in and snatch i
III: German
Now you may have been wondering why the title of this post was "The speeding falcon".
The German translation of the Millennium Falcon is actually different than other languages from what I found. Most other translations use their version of "millenium".
Nobody can say for sure why but one idea suggests that because the ship was originally "inspired" by the one from Space 1999, yoz only need to add a year and you are in another millennium. - Now the Falcon has a closer resemblance to Valerian's ship from the Franco-Belgian comics.
Okay, but what do we Germans call the Falcon then?
Der rasende Falke = The speeding Falcon.
Granted it has a different ring in German than in English but calling a fast ship, this fastest hunk of junk, is in my opinion a bit more fitting. In German it works, English...not so much in my ears.
But it doesn't stop there. Let's talk about the Kessel Run. And not the distance/math as above, which in itself already fits like a glove, but the term.
Kessel (in German it was changed to Kossal Flug because calling it "Kessel Flug" would have confused the audience I think) is mostly used as the term for cauldron. It is also the word for a valley surrounded by hills or mountains - a Hill Valley so to speak. You can say Kessel but it's more common to say Talkessel (Tal=valley) to distinguish it from the term for cauldron.
Sidenote: there's another term for cauldron. Crucible which also has a different meaning but literally it's actually a melting pot, in which you fuse things together.
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I try to point out the several
Interestingly there's a place called Kesseltal near the federal route 47.
So, Kessel is a place surrounded by mountains or hills which makes also sense in Star Wars as the planet Kessel is within a maelstrom. Interesting. More interesting is that the traditional route looks like a spiral.
How about this: spirals that you see in ST isn't this evil deity/demon (forgot his name and I'm to lazy to look it up) or whatever but point to this? Not to mention the Ethereal Plane. Or, wait for it, space. You know like a galaxy?? The space theme is everywhere and hinges on Sara(h). Everything points to her.
The topic of spirals came up in a chat with @nuffit and I'll probably talk about it in detail in another post.
I talked about a space walk a long time ago:
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Also, right now it feels as if fans see more villains than we have actual characters. Can we deal with the evil guys we have first?
A literal 'Hill Valley'. Running up that hill. RUTH.
You see where I'm getting with this? The Falcon isn't just your typical Star Wars reference just because they like it, it's more. And drawing the connection early on between El, the Millennium Falcon and the peregrine falcon which is then associated with Max as a zoomer/speed queen, space, high speed, rockets etc isn't a coincidence. Not at all.
El is Max.
Max is a Zoomer.
Suddenly the Kessel Run feels different.
Or spirals:
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Rue,
Additional links:
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I think it's safe to say that,
we've found the Fenghuang [ElMax],
and
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X marks the spot!
Total coincidence I guess. But
Special thanks again to @o11yradio @noreasontobeupset @anonymusauros @nuffit
I probably have forgotten potential links, so here are the links to my
I wouldn't look into this, if I hadn't found some interesting details. Because at first glance it may sound a bit bonkers (but, well pop cultural references used as metaphors/allegories are very common in fiction like ST) and there were those fan posters that in my opinion were somewhat silly using Ghidorah as the three headed dragon. As usual everyone looks at the bad guy, not at the good monster. But this made me do a little bit of research and I stumbled over some interesting facts.
That been said, let's have a look, shall we?
The Ship - The Argo
Just like El was in previous seasons, now Max is compared to a monster. It's been talked about here that Mr Clarke has an illustration in S1 called "Jason and the Talking Oak" in his living room. And that Mrs Wheeler likes to do the laundry with a starch called "Argo".
The Argo, the swift, was the ship that Jason and his Argonauts used to find the Golden Fleece. Among them were Herakles (Hercules) and Atalanta, the fastest woman on earth who outran every man (she was a follower of Artemis).
Max calls herself a Zoomer and is constantly compared to speed, this includes the connection to a peregrine falcon which I'll highlight in another post, to "speed queen" etc.
The Argo was described as a monster.
Gojira/Godzilla
Here it gets interesting as the monster we all know is called Gojira and Ken Watanabe's character thankfully pronounces the name this way.
Gojira is actually a fantasy term, combining several different elements and interpreted in various ways: natural catastrophe, back in the 50s as either the US or the atomic bomb/nuclear devastation.
The name Gojira was changed for a western audience into Godzilla by Toho "producing connotations such as the words "God," "lizard," and "gorilla." . The very first time it was officially mentioned was in the Hawaii Tribune-Herald:
Toho later translated the monster's Japanese name as "Godzilla" for overseas distribution. The first recorded foreign usage of "Godzilla" was printed in the Hawaii Tribune-Herald on November 20, 1955.
November 20, 1955....Hawaii. This gives me goosebumps.
November = 11 ; 20 ; 1+9=10 ; 5+5=10 (1 1)
And ElMax: 5,12,13,1,24 = total sum 55
Hawaii. Where the bottle points to. Hawaii is literally on Max's shirt - on her heart.
In the 2014 remake of Godzilla, Hawaii is an inverse location of the fight between the MOTUs and Godzilla.
The island
If you read every 4th and 5th letter backwards + Max you get "El is Max"
4+4+5+5 +38 = 56 (Max: 13 1 24=38)
The 56 - they even made El 5'6 in the mugshot but on the wanted poster she's 5'4 probably to create an "error" - errors, discrepancies stick out, combined with patterns and taking into account the pattern recognition of the audience, it will make you think about and maybe investigate what you found.
Since this is the actual shot from the show the letters that supposedly read "X a lie" aren't in the correct order. If you read them nonetheless it looks like gibberish except you may take into account that "ile" is french for island. (there's an interesting visual comparison that won't fit here but it concerns X)
This specific X isn't a lie....is it just me or is everyone who brings up this scene of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade ignoring....
...that Indy is literally proven wrong in the film?
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No, X is not a lie. X a Ăźle. X is an island.
An island.
An island which appears multiple times in regard to El and Max :
Hawaii.
Jurassic Park was filmed on Hawaii and as pointed out above was a location in Godzilla & the Hawaii Tribune-Herald was the first to use the name Godzilla in an article.
ST obviously referenced the Velociraptor/Kitchen scene for the laundry room moment (which connects us back to the Argo because Mrs Wheeler made the laundry).
But what is the Jurassic Park story about again? Ah, yes, cloning dinosaurs - and as Ian Malcolm in the second movie I believe mentioned, those are theme park monsters, not real dinosaurs.
And especially: how life finds a way.
Dr Grant having two female ends of a seat belt that he then knots together is forshadowing how the all female dinosaurs reproduce.
Hm. Two female safety belts knit together in an X-shape.
Cloning. Some have already looked into this (like this one - feels soooo close), however there's an aspect that isn't talked about. The Upside-down egg. And how Brenner got his hands on a pretty good replica of Will.
Maybe cloning. Or creating synthetic life. Like a replicant from Blade Runner. I actually wanted to take a deeper look at this in my Westworld post that I have postponed.
But coming back to Godzilla: there's a robust debate whether Godzilla is male, female or a hermaphrodite which reminds me of something. Him....her. Ah, yes.
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The bomb
The NINA project is in an old nuclear facility, however there's no nuke in it. Where is it?
"Brenner and Owens repurposed an unused intercontintental ballistic missile (ICBM) silo in Nevada, giving it a "facelift" and transforming the space into the Nina facility. They recruited a large team of scientists to work on the project."
NINA: 14,9,14,1 = total sum 38 (3+8=11)
Max: 13,1,24 = total sum 38 (=11)
The project is located at Ruth, Nevada. Ruth is not coincidentally chosen because the letters RUTH are the initials of songs title: Running Up That Hill.
Not to mention "Sam Goody" and how the entire Season 4 connects El and Max through this. In the NINA memory we see... A zooming effect. A Zoomer. Those aren't entirely El's memories and the actual "ICBM" is the Zoomer who fought back against Henry.
And then things go nuclear.
That bomb is a living organism. Like Godzilla, who is a living nuclear bomb and created as a metaphor of it.
In Season 1 El repeats the time that Mike gave her as Three - One - Five, coincidentally the number Marko Ramius gives Jack Ryan for steering the Red October, an atomic submarine with ballistic missiles, into the direction he wants.
El says these numbers right before she discovers the cat behind the fence:
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Not to forget that El uses a pizza dough freezer and aside from the abbreviation PDF, which indicates that El is meant do be a code, it's also a nod towards Back to the Future and how the time machine was originally a refrigerator and they wanted to use a nuclear explosion for Marty's ride back home - besides Doc essentially built a miniature nuclear reactor into the time machine.
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Bear wi
Coincidentally the Deep Space Nine episode "Little green men" repurposed this idea with Quark and his family using a nuclear test as their way home after an accidental time jump into the past, to go... Back to the Future.
Zefram Cochrane's ship, an old ICBM transformed into the first human starship with Warp capabilities is called: Phoenix .
"Reach the stars." - And Mad Max in Fury Road gets a metaphorical resurrection like a phoenix. Recommend this 9 year old analysis of Fury Road:
As usually I digress, sorry.
Coming back to the beginning of this post.
After Season 4 some people used Ghidorah for some fanart and....they might have been onto something yet overlooked the potential connections pointed out above. (and what's a writers room for if not to come up with the associations they make from several different media/franchises.
It's interesting that Godzilla fights Ghidorah in 2019 "King of Monsters" which features Millie Bobby Brown as Madison. Coincidence? - If principal photography for the movie wouldn't have started in June 2017. Stranger Things Season 3 did start filming in April 2018. In other words more than enough time for the costume department-store to find or create that Hawaii shirt/hoodie that Max has in Season 3 if they wanted to make the Godzilla connection.
It's like a scene of a certain someone wailing for help and it's been answered... a zooming effect, a switch, and the three headed monster gets blasted away.
You asked. He... She answered.
The king of monsters.
Bear McCreary used Babylonian for the score "Goodbye Old Friend" when Dr Serizawa delivers the nuclear device that revives Godzilla and kills Serizawa:
I will give you my strength... my love... We become one... I will give to you my life
"El is Max."
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There's this shot from the 5x8 end credit sequence.
Let's chec
Vecna created a new timeline so he could have full control over it.
Season 5 is a new timeline, and the first scene with Will in the Upside Down started it. That's why we're shown this scene in the first place. It's the start of an alternate 1983.
This scene happens two times in the show. In Season 1, Chapter 7, "The Bathtub," and in Season 5, Chapter 1, "The Crawl," It's the same scene, but 2 versions of it. If you watch the scenes at the same time, the time on both of them is different. It's a new timeline.
As many people pointed out, Melvald's doesn't sell milkshakes. And still no one questioned it. Memories beeing changed... because it's a different timeline.
For more context on this theory I made this 2 posts:
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Vecna went back in time and changed the timeline creating an alternative timeline. Timetravel was possible.
Maybe in the original timeline, this Will and Vecna scene never happened.
Vecna now has more control in this new timeline to reshape the world through Will.
This whole new timeline is controlled but not totally. The 12 kids are the last step to fully reshape the world and control it.
In this new timeline, some things happened differently, and others the same way, the things that went differently explain some of the things that don't make sense in Season 5, and why we don't understand it when we based it on what we've been seeing trough the seasons.
This timeline is different because of the control Vecna has over it.
By the end of season 5, "Chapter 4: Sourcerer," Vecna has all the kids, and now he can have full control.
This is also when the episodes get worse and stop making any sense.
He has the kids -> full control over the world is possible.
The only thing that Vecna needs to do now is make the ilusion that they won and Vecna lost. And he does that. Episode 8 "The Rightside Up" it's the ilusion.
Original timeline -> Season 1-4
New timeline (Wrong) -> Season 5
Vecna wanted Will to awaken his powers because he needed them so he could have a connection between Abbys, The Upside Down, and the world he wanted to control.
"And I believe if we work together, we can awaken those powers, channel our energy, and draw this new world to ours"
The Abbys -> Mind Flayer and the kids.
Upside Down -> Exotic Matter (looks like the Mind Flayer shape and this shot that might indicate the conection with Will)
World -> Will.
"Why can't there be two Venkmans?"
Two Vecnas. One on the World one in the Abbys.
"And now he's got all of them, All 12. We failled" - "Chapter 5: Shock Jock"
Vecna now has full control.
Shock Jock -> Jock -> Jockey
The Jockey is now in full control, and Elmax is the key to defeat the control of the Jockey.
El brought Max back to life in the previous timeline. Placing her hand on her heart and using their memories. Elmax is the key to saving the timeline. Vecna realized that. Vecna twisted the timeline, and that's why El and Max were so distant from each other.
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A two-man job. Two people need to fix the timeline...
My attempt at depicting the guys in a vintage 80's illustrative style. A bit belated but I consider this my final send-off for a (mostly) incredible show, really gonna miss it man
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I made 2 posts recently, theoryzing about a possible alternate timeline in Season 5.
This is a new timeline. It was a reset to make it wrong, so Vecna could win. Vecna or the Mind Flayer is controlling the new timeline. Controlling the characters.
Vecna did win, but there's still a way to break free from the ilusion.
The key to restoring the original timeline and get out of the dream is Elmax.
The horse in the cave and the horse in El's room.
And the horse again between them.
Why horses?
Vecna controls the timeline
The Mind Flayer controls the people in this timeline...
In Back to the Future 2, Biff becomes powerful and changes the timeline by making bets on horse races. Races he already knew how they would end.
He creates an alternative timeline just like Vecna did.
Jockey is someone who rides horses in horse racing or steeplechase racing. They control them. Mind flayer is the jockey.
Maybe they're all "the horses" at this point and being controlled by the MF.
And through the "horses" Vecna and the Mind Flayer connect the world's because the horses conects all three levels of cosmos: The eartly plane: Our World, the subterranean plane: The Upside Down (?), the celestial plane: The Abbys/Dimension X(?)
Lucas is riding a horse while carrying a blue and yellow shield...
El and Max are the blue and yellow shield...
They're the key to saving everyone. And guarantee protection.
Blue and Yellow...
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The shield in windows is indicating that administrator privileges
The blue and yellow bracelets.
The horse between them being in a mirror.
Mirror -> Alice through the looking-glass -> season 5 is either a dream or another timeline. Or both. Probably both.
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This book starts with Alice, entering Wonderland, through a mirror.
At the end of the book, it is revealed that everything was a dream, another reality.
This is why nothing makes sense. Because it's not the original timeline, the one we've been seeing and because they're all under some kind of control and ilusion.
I think Season 5 might be a reset in the timeline. A new timeline is different from the original one.
I made this post talking about it:
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So, Season 5 begins with this flashback of Will meeting Vecna. But as I said in the previous post, I don't think this is a flashback but rather another timeline.
"At long last, we can begin"
Vecna has been waiting for a long time, maybe a whole timeline.
What if this is a reason we see Vecna saying William? He knew his name. He knew it from the previous timeline.
He creates season 5 a new timeline, an alternative 1983. This is why we are shown this scene. Because it's a new beginning. It's not the original timeline, not the one from seasons 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Vecna merges the Upside Down into Hawkins, now he can time travel.
In Season 5, Will's outfit is really similar to Marty McFly in Back to the Future 2.
In this movie, Doc Brown explains that Biff created an alternate 1985 -> by going to the past.
And like that, Biff changes the future, becoming a rich and really powerful.
Just like Vecna. Vecna went back to 1983 and created a new timeline, and like that, he takes control over the people over this new timeline so he could win in the end. That is why he goes back to the past. So he could make his own rules. And win.
Marty needs to restore the original timeline
Marty McFly -> Will Byers
This is the original timeline:
This is NOT the original timeline:
Their not the same memories. They both belong in different timelines.
A doorway... a door to travel in time?
Holly -> Alice in Wonderland
Holly is the one who creates door and mentions time travel...
In my previous post, I compared how similar the Exotic Matter is to the Chronosphere in Alice in Wonderland.
Chronosphere -> creates the Ocean of Time
Ocean of Time -> allows Time travel
Chronosphere -> Exotic Matter
Exotic Matter -> creates waves
Waves that allow time travel in the Ocean of Time...
The first part of Season 5 we start with a flashback of Will in the Upside Down. But is it really a flashback?
We have this scene two times. In Season 1, Chapter 7 "The Bathtub" and in Season 5, Chapter 1 "The Crawl".
But it's not a flashback. It's the same scene, but 2 versions of it. If you watch the scenes at the same time, the time when one thing happens is different in both scenes.
In the season 1 scene, between the roar and attack of the Demogorgon it's 25 seconds.
In Season 5 it's 21 seconds.
25 - 21 = 4 seconds
"4 seconds too slow."
"Reset it!"
It's literally 4 seconds too slow.
It was a reset. The Timeline. Season 5 it's a reset, it created a new timeline.
Season 4 was the end of the other timeline.
Holly - Alice Through the Looking Glass
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In "Alice through the looking-glass", she enters in the mirror on a snowing day.
Looking glass -> Mirror...Window...
The Looking Glass:
"Symbol for a portal to another world, or lens to see things in a different perspective."
A new timeline.
In the movie, there is a chronosphere. A glowing shpere that allows to travel in time, in the Ocean of time.
Nancy shots the Exotic Matter it creates waves.
Ocean and Waves...
The Upside Down is basically the Ocean of Time in Stranger Things -> it's the wormhole.
Exotic Matter -> Chronosphere
It creates waves.
The Exotic Matter is what makes timetravel possible ?
Timeline reset -> we go back to November 12th 1983
There's a time jump to November 3rd 1987.
But this is the new timeline. We didn't see it. Some things happened the same way, others didn't.
This explains some things that make no sense:
-> Characters not mentioned again completely forgotten by the narrative.
-> Why so many things are not mentioned and forgotten.
-> Relashionships between the characters beeing different from what we've seen
Basically, there are many things that don't make sense.
This is a new timeline, a new one. It was reset to make this exactly. To make it Wrong, so Vecna could win in the end.
Vecna is controlling the timeline. Controlling the characters in this new timeline.
He did. He took control.
The new timeline (season 5), he created his own rules by taking control over people minds.
The mirror
The mirror that Alice used to go to Wonderland -> the "Looking Glass"
He created the new timeline. He holded that mirror at the end of season 4 and made everyone enter it.
I was thinking about how Lucas has no arc this season, and how him and Mike act as a pair. And then I remembered what Tina said about Josh:
I believe this means that Will (Vecna) associates Mike and Lucas. Here is why.
They are always biking around town together, but they never so much as exchange a word when they are on the bikes. Mike might as well be biking alone. Lucas acts like some short of shadow self (yea IK).
In the church tower scene, they literally just echo one another. One person could easily do that job. It's mostly Lucas will say something, and then Mike will repeat it. Sometimes he change the words slightly.
Max tells Holly that when you go through memories, you might feel things that you did that night. But it's just like an echo, and it's a good sign b/c it means you're almost home.
That one scene where Lucas just stands there and says "Get him, Mike! Get him, Mike! Mike, get him!" I'm CRYING.
Doesn't it sound a lot like what Mike's internal monologue might have been in this moment. That these might be Mike's feelings.
Not to mention this scene where Mike tells Lucas that they've been spotted in the bathroom with Will trying to stop a massive leak (of feelings). It's an echo of Mike's emotions. This is how Mike felt in that moment. When Lucas is around, we know that Mike is going through old memories.
Lucas has 2 scenes in all of Vol 1 where Mike is not present, and they both take place with Max in the hospital. And I also think those scenes are out of order so they exist outside of Camazotz.
This scene IS Lucas. Every other scene he has in EP2-4, Mike is present and Lucas doesn't do much (as in he does nothing).
Remember the two of them standing up to Dustin's bully in EP1:
They both sound ridiculous and they're always in sync. They could literally be one person. They could be one person.
I've also talked about how I think this whole dialogue is just Mike internally working out why he was taken. Especially considering the POV shots. I think the whole hospital is Vecna's mind.
Checkout this one in EP3. It's like they're finishing each others sentences. They. don't. miss. a. beat.
Mike thinks Dustin looks beat up, but he chooses to say it's not his fault. And then Lucas tells us what he was actually thinking.
They are a team once again when they go talk to Erica and ask for her help.
It's like a well oiled machine. This whole conversation was so smooth.
They even move in sync. Are you seeing this??
This part cracks me up every single freaking time:
Murray says have fun and Lucas just smiles and says thanks. It's borderline creepy like WHERE DID LUCAS GO? [35:36]. Like there is NOTHING going on in that head Go back and watch, it's SO funny.
IMPLICATIONS:
Okay, so what does this mean? Primarily, it means that the real Lucas is not in Camazotz which is a good thing. I also believe there's a lot more story outside of what we saw which was mostly Mike's memories and 2 versions of Camazotz. So in the rest of the story, I presume Lucas will have a real arc.
This is Lucas in the real world. I also believe that it should be Dustin here instead of Mike:
Most of Vol 2 Lucas is the real Lucas.
Furthermore, the echo acts as a kind of measurement, for how close we are to the EXIT.
Stranger Things 5 is a Dream inside the "Looking-Glass"
During the many seasons on Stranger Things, there were always references to Alice in Wonderland, and it's obviously a big inspiration, especially in season 5, with the parallels that are made between Holly and Alice.
"Through the Looking-Glass" is a sequel to Alice in Wonderland, and I noticed a lot of parallels between this book and Stranger Things that point even more to a fake reality of Season 5, a dream.
This book starts with Alice, entering a fantastic world, through a mirror. At the end of the book, it is revealed that everything was a dream.
Alice wakes up she was dreaming.
Wake up...
The day this happens, and she enters in her dream, it is snowing.
The dream started at the end of season 4, season 5 it's a fake one, it's controlled, not real.
Who says it was snowing at the end of season 4? The right Alice.
Holly.
Alice Through the Looking Glass...
There Alice finds that everything is reversed, even logic.
Applying this with season 5, it makes sense. This finalle is reversed -> twisted -> The Rightside Up?
The spirals...
Most things don't make sense, logic is missed, things don't look the way they are supost to, and things keep changing.
Through the Looking Glass...
12 kids -> 12 Chapters
Chapter 11 -> Waking
Chapter 12 -> Who Dreamed It?
In this sequel, diferent from Alice in Wonderland, which theme was cards, in this book, the theme is chess.
Chess in Stranger Things...
This is all a big game of chess. They're all inside the "Looking Glass" inside a game of chess just like Alice.
In the book, the author gives us notes to the chess game the characters play out in the story.
Here in stranger things, they give us a clues, pointing everything into beeing a big game of chess.
Many characters in the book are represented by chess pieces and Alice is a pawn.
Holly is the pawn , and Mike is also a pawn. They keep paralleling each other. Mike is also Alice. He is a pawn that needs to wake up from this game of chess played out by Henry, who's also part of the game.
Throughout the story and the moves that are made, a lot of chess rules are ignored...
Stranger Things rules are also ignored:
- Upside Down has water and light
- Some of El's powers don't make sense (jumping more than she was able to, taking max into her mind and then into Henry's mind)
- The many plot holes
In eleven moves Alice wins...
Eleven episodes?
The WSQK message some weeks ago...
"Turn your volumes up to Eleven"
White vs Red...
Alice takes her place as a White Pawn in Chapter Two, after the game has already started -> Holly gets taken is Chapter Two "The Vanishing of Holly Wheeler", after the game has already started... the season 5 -> the game.
In the end Alice wins the chess game, but, she wakes up and finds out it was all a dream. And the narrative closes with -> Which dreamed it? -> that was only revealed in the end of the book, that everything was a dream
That's what happened in stranger things in the "end" they left us clues that this wasn't real it was all a dream.
okay guys i have like multiple posts on birthdaygate, but i wanna put everything we know into one because iâm losing track lol.
so we start off in season 1 at wills funeral. we are given the date august 28th 1971.
what is interesting about this video they posted is the glitching! i have a theory on this here that could hint to this tying in with conformitygate.
and then i found the entire funeral program and the date changes AGAINđđđbut this time the year changes, not the actual date/month.
like wtf!?đalso his funeral was on the 11th? so idk this could be fanmade but the one posted by stranger things isnât.
and then we get season 2 where we find out wills birthday is on the 22nd of march. okay, sure, they forgot. but stranger things 1 released in 2016, then 2 released in october 27th 2017. so⊠they posted that video just two months before they released the new season. obviously reminding their audience. also why is the picture sideways in the video lol??
thatâs weird, right?
then we get to 2020, so one year after s3 has been released and the writers tweet this.
then we get season 4. this is where birthdaygate really kicked off because of the rinkomania scenes. iâm not gonna go into too much on this because i feel like you guys already know lol. thereâs hints to birthdays and they even specifically point out with exact accuracy how many days till dustinâs birthday. that has never been mentioned before LMAO
then we get to 2023, one year after s4 dropped. they posted this. mind you, willâs birthday the 22nd of march is also henryâs birthday. and then it is also matthews birthday â the actor who plays dr brenner. and what year was he born? 1959. the exact year TFS is set.
then season 5 kicks off. thereâs no birthdaygate (thereâs barely gates at all in fact). but during filming, there was scenes filmed in a circus tent. then after the finale, someone from production posted the photo with the cake. and i know this is wills cake because the exact same picture was posted back at the start of last year except they cut out the âhappy birthday willâ and the duffers were in this post with the production member.
edit : also reminded in the comments of the pamphlet of willâs age being wrong in s5! joyce says he was 11 when he was 12.
also the balloons on the cake lowk reminded me of the rinkomania scene.
then if we look at eddieâs age it is also messed up!
anyways speaking of interviews, lets look back at the first interview they did about willâs birthday because this is some extremely specific wordingđ
no, matt duffer, it doesnât make any narrative sense. and then basically saying alike the characters â they forgot. their memoryâs are ânot greatâ. okay sure whatever.
BUT THEN âweâre being very careful for people not to forget, in case the timelines..â huh????
âit was six years ago i wrote that date?â when did they write season 4đđđthatâd be 2016 the year the show came out?? that would be a lie because they changed it after s1.
and then breaking the fourth wall to apologise to will? okayđ
also them in s5 interviews saying âlast yearâ for season 4?? are they going insane or are weđ
is there any george lucas parallels ? because they mentioned him loads in that interview
and if you are still here, here are some other interesting posts that could tie into this theory.
clown imagery by @atsadi
wsqk mentions by @urfavflickergatetruther
hollyâs age inconsistencies by @kirrroh
henryâs age & boy-scouts by @aemiron-main
calendar inconsistencies by @generalmarryme
10 minute analysis by lesbianmindflayer on youtube. shows an official audio from a number you could call playing the happy birthday song.
edit: more added in the comments! pls feel free to add anything u know
I went and checked and they never really focused on the funeral program in the episode (1.5), so it's (a) hard to be sure the one you found more pics of is genuine and (b) perhaps less of an egregious canon error.
But if the program you found is not fanmadeâand the fact that the cover, at least, matches the one Netflix put in that video in 2017 suggest that it's legitâ
âthat means we have 4 potential canon birthdays for Will...
March 22, 1971âthe date Joyce gives as his birthday in 2.8, with the year making him 12 years old when he disappeared, which matches the evidence below.
March 22, 1972âthe date Joyce gives as his birthday in 2.8, with the year making him 11 years old when he disappeared, which aligns with Joyce's line in 5.3.
August 28, 1971âthe date on the cover of that funeral program in 1.5, making him 12 years old when he disappeared, which matches the evidence below.
August 28, 1972âthe date on the interior of that funeral program in 1.5, making him 11 years old when he disappeared, which aligns with Joyce's line in 5.3.
... given that the only date we're sure of (!?) is that he went missing on November 6, 1983.
That program is literally the only evidence I've ever seen that Joyce was not just completely mistaken in saying that he was 11 years old when he went missing.
Evidence that she was completely mistaken includes Will's missing poster, which says he was 12 years old when he disappearedâ
âa poster which, by the way, featured prominently in one of the pre-S5 marketing videos on YouTube and Instagram (October 1, 2025).
Charlie holds it facing the camera like that for half the video... then at the end we get a close-up.
The 1.1 scriptâas featured in The Documentary (at about 5:37)âalso says the boys were 12 years old the night Will disappeared.
It specifically calls out that Mike, Lucas, and Dustin were 12... but we don't see the same callout for Will.
Are you sure...??
Also, the George Lucas thing is likely just a reference to the fact that George Lucas famously would. not. stop. going back and fucking with the original Star Wars trilogy, literally starting from 1977 when the first one came out.
The apparent purpose of the edits, including the major edits, was to go back and achieve his Original Vision, using the better technology available to him in 1997... and 2004... and 2011... and 2019.
The pre-1997 edits were minor, and some of them were genuine improvements. But a lot of it was nonsense, and some of it was blatant retconningâmost notably, changing the scene in the cantina from Han shooting Greedo first to Greedo shooting Han first (making Han look less like a murderous scoundrel).
Ohhh people did not like that.
Fans even banded together to create "despecialized" versions of the original trilogy.
As far as I know, Lucas is still in a stand-off with the US National Film Registry for not giving them the original copy of 1977's Star Wars (the one we call A New Hope, as of 1981). The National Film Registry preserves original copies of a collection of films selected for their cultural, historical, and aesthetic contributions.
In 1989, the original release of Star Wars was selected for preservation in the National Film Registry (NFR). In 2014, it still did not have a "working copy" (a copy available for public viewing) of the 1977 film; Lucas refused to submit the original, stating that he no longer authorized the release of the theatrical version. Lucasfilm offered the 1997 "Special Edition" release, but the NFR refused it as the first published version must be accepted.
... good old fandom drama.
And some food for thought from a conformitygate perspective, particularly if you subscribe to the idea that we're getting more content or retroactive edits/additions...
