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Made a fanart of “Treasure Him” by @justanotherbnhalover . Because Mariana got be obessed with her mermaid universe.
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What is the SEVEN WALLS and where is the DEMON WORLD? Promised Neverland Theory with MANGA EVIDENCE
So y’all, ready for me to drop one of the biggest BOMB of all? YES, I have figured out both the location of the demon world, and the identity of the seven walls separating it from the human world. Brace yourselves!
What’s more, I have found an OVERWHELMING amount of EVIDENCE to back up my claims. At this point, while not all the details may be correct, I estimate a 99.9% likelihood for the core of the theory to be confirmed.
Anime-only readers, this post is full of manga spoilers, but even manga readers, note:
PROCEED AT RISK OF BEING SPOILED SOME OF THE BIGGEST SECRETS OF THE SERIES
There really is just that much evidence.
But before we get there; I have to explain that I am changing my post format to deal with image limit. I have also decided to do more of a research paper style format to help you understand the points I want to get across.
That means that I will start with a summary of my core theory in the main post, and then I will present all the pieces of evidence in reblogs, along with discussion of each.
Okay, so I have one last thing to say before I make my claims: I want to thank @ajarofearwigs for being a huge help in figuring this one out and listening to my screaming in excitement! Kudos to her actually getting the Seven Walls by making a bad offhand joke… 😂
And without further ado, lets get onto the MEAT of this post (sorry, I cannot not do these bad puns):
The Demon World is…
Oh wait, you didn’t get it? Let me rephrase it:
And the Seven Walls are…
Hmmm I wonder if you are going a bit like this:
So how about you now go and check out the reblogs for an explanation and evidence? Just click on the notes.
THIS NOTE IS HERE UNTIL I FINISH ADDING REBLOGS SO YOU KNOW WHEN I AM DONE
(also damn, looks like tumblr is set on screwing up my formatting if I put in pics later and it needs manual fixing… grrr… don’t be surprised if the pics look jumbled at first)
(I recommend that you start listening to the actual Disney song, Under the sea from the Little Mermaid while reading this. It will a 100% enhance the experience.)
PLOT EVIDENCE NO.1 - SONJU’S EXPLANATION
Here is a list of things that Sonju states about the situation they are in when he explains the Promise:
-They are on EARTH
-The human calendar YEAR is 2O46
-Demons USED TO live in a MUCH BIGGER WORLD
-The world was SEPARATED into human and demon SIDES
-The demon side that they live in NEVER BELONGED TO HUMANS
Please see the panels for yourself.
While Sonju may not always be completely honest with the kids, when Mujika comments to him IN PRIVATE, she never says that he lied, only berates him for keeping some parts of the story.
Based on those facts, we know that the demon world has to be somewhere on Earth, but the books from the human world suggests that they can completely avoid human detection somehow in modern times. How is that possible?
We literally have explored more of space than the bottom of the deep sea.
IT’S THE PERFECT PLACE TO HIDE A WHOLE OTHER CIVILISATION
It fits the bill, but is there solid evidence for it other than it being the most logical choice?
Also, I bet that demons would want the BIGGER half…
PLOT EVIDENCE NO.2 - MINERVA’S ADVENTURE BOOK
If you have read my theory on the demons descending from aliens, then you will remember these panels, and me stating that it was VERY CLEAR FORESHADOWING
However, this time I want to talk about the other book, not the mythology book! The adventure book of Minerva that does make an appearance later on.
OOOOOoooooh it has a SHIP on the cover! Funny coincidence, right?
THE ESTABLISHED GUIDE TO THE DEMON WORLD LITERALLY DESCRIBES THE PLACES THEY GO AS THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA!!!!!!
SIMILAR RIGHT? (to literally quote Emma from those panels…)
I am not sure if I can spell that one out more clearly. Oh yeah, ofc you thought it was JUST A METAPHOR!
Look, THAT IS exactly THE TRICKS how these authors have managed to hide all these hints from people noticing!
But if that wasn’t enough, here have some FRIGGING SEA ANEMONES.
The hints are not even subtle, and then Kaiu Shirai-san has the galls to lay it on even thicker
PLOT EVIDENCE NO.3 - GOLDY POND’S CONTROL ROOM
You might have been wondering how my theory could be correct when we have always seen a skies and a horizons inside the demon world? Or when the pressure or lack of oxygen and light at the bottom of the sea would make it impossible to live in.
Well, actually we have seen evidence that both the Goldy Pond sky and the Gracefield sky is fake, and their environments are artifically created and controlled.
There was a whole control room at Goldy Pond which took care of the whole environment inside, you know as if the OUTSIDE ENVIRONMENT WASN’T SAFE TO HUMAN LIFE.
The rest of the demon world must sustain its environment with a technology by the demons we don’t understand yet, but Goldy Pond was fully human built, by James Ratri. He must have done it OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS of normal demon land to escape detection, so then it makes sense why he needed such sophisticated technology to create a liveable environment UNDER THE SEA.
We have also seen similar machinery exposed at Gracefield, and we can assume that the sky the kids looked at there is also fake.
PLOT EVIDENCE NO.4 - GOLDY POND’S SELF-DESTRUCT
Ah, remember the glorious chapter where the kids activated the self-destruct at Goldy Pond? Oh yeah, wasn’t it funny how the WHOLE place got flooded? Kinda weird way to self-destruct a huge place… unless ofc you have an enormous body of water above it..
oh wait, did you notice how all that WATER got there: SURGING IN FROM THE TOP OF THE MOTHERFLIPPING CEILING.
THAT’S NOT HOW A POND UNDERGROUND FLOODING THE PLACE WORKS. SINCE GOLDY POND WAS UNDERGROUND…
BUT THE FLOODING WATER WASN’T EVEN GOLD…
Any more doubts? Since we haven’t even gotten to the list of visual hints.
PLOT EVIDENCE NO.5 - The SEVEN WALLS and the Demon Leader’s Riddle
I won’t say that I fully understand the riddle yet, but the directions seem to describe a vortex to me… More importantly let’s focus on what we do know: we have seen Cuvitidala, the dragon, and the place where day meets night.
It’s important to look at that scene again. The place where day meets night… has REFLECTIONS and RIPPLES on it, hmm, just like WATER.
Because it is at the SEA SURFACE. The bottom of the sea is dark, light never reaches there, but at the surface the day meets the darkness, as long as the sun has risen…
Btw it is also established that the Seven Walls separates the demon leader from the demon world, and what separates the ocean surface from the depth of it? That’s right the WHOLE OCEAN.
Which is why the Seven walls are the SEVEN SEAS, just look at the wikipedia description, it’s a perfect fit.
We also have the demon leader tell us a riddle, that fits the ocean solution perfectly.
If that wasn’t clear enough yet, there is plenty of water then swirling around them and yepp,all of their speech bubbles are SURROUNDED BY BUBBLES. AS IF SPEAKING THROUGH A MASS OF WATER.
(Btw doesn’t their clothes also kinda resemble a jellyfish’s top? Or a spineless sea urchin? hmmm but visuals clues I haven’t even started on)!
While I am yet to solve what the golden water is, the fact is that Emma states its related to the Seven Walls so it makes sense that the Seven Walls would be water related.
VISUAL CLUE NO.1 - ANGLERFISH
That is the first image I found on an ANGLERFISH on wikipedia, that live at the BOTTOM OF THE DEEP OCEAN. Not saying demons are anglerfish, but funny place to draw visual inspiration from, aint it?
VISUAL CLUE NO.2 - BUBBLES
You know the saying: it’s like they LIVE INSIDE a BUBBLE.
YES I WENT THERE BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY THE IMAGERY POSUKA DEMIZU USES… and it’s NOT A ONE-OFF, it gets repeated again.
That colour poster really drills it home. The background is dark blue, there is water reflections and the glasses falling really look like a swarm of bubbles visually.
VISUAL CLUE NO.3 - GLOBES TURNED TO the OCEAN
ISN’T IT JUST FUNNY HOW THE GLOBE IS TURNED SO WE SEE OCEAN. LIKE POSUKA DEMIZU TELLING US, HEY FOLKS, LOOK HERE!
Oh, and it repeats…
This one even has a MOTHERDUCKING SHIP RIGHT NEXT TO IT. And yes, you guessed it, that isn’t the only ship imagery in the series.
VISUAL CLUE NO.4 - SHIPS
So we have seen one on the adventure book, one in the panel above, and then there is this volume cover showing all their escape plans…
Oh you haven’t noticed it yet? Let me show you the detail you missed:
There is also a ship in the secret room with all the toys, and it repeats on the volume 4 inside cover.
VISUAL CLUE NO.5 - LITERAL WATER IMAGERY
Speaking of which, the outside cover of volume 4 (the one when they made their escape) has our main trio dramatically holding hands, over a pool of water with the GRACEFIELD HOUSE VISIBLE UNDER THE WATER.
OH YES, THIS HAS BEEN THAT LITERAL AND Y’ALL HAS MISSED IT.
(I did too before I knew what to look for, don’t worry).
Btw when Emma almost dies, she also sinks into the depth of the ocean, with Norman and Isabella pulling her out. Good symbolism, riiiight?!
VISUAL CLUE NO.6 - CLOTHING
I have already noted that our demon leader has clothing reminiscent of a sea creature, and it is certain they know about the water relation.
I am not sure if average demons younger than the Promise know that they live under the sea. But we know Sonju and Mujika knows the world before the promise. And doesn’t Mujika’s dress resemble fish scales? Also that cloak pin on Sonju does kiiinda look like a fish bone, no?
WILD SPECULATION TIME
Just when you have thought I was done with adding details, I also have to share my suspicion that I might have also found the REAL LIFE LOCATION of the sea where the demon society lives.
So, just South East of Japan, there is a body of water also known as the DEVIL’S SEA and the DRAGON’S TRIANGLE.
If it was anywhere else in the world, I would wave the coincidence off, but this is LITERALLY NEXT TO JAPAN, and the Japanese have folklore about it… That it’s a place where all sorts of strange disappearances happen (like the bermuda triangle), and that a giant DRAGON LIVES THERE.
I think it’s very realistic to assume that a Japanese author could have been inspired by a sea next to Japan…
Also note that it’s an area with hydrothermal vents (geothermally active seafloor that generate lots of energy… probably even enough to sustain a civilization…) and it is to one side bounded by the Mariana trench.
YES the Mariana trench is the DEEPEST PART OF THE SEA THAT EXISTS on Earth.
Oh, and one more thing, in Japanese the Devil’s Sea translates as Ma-No Umi.
(Sooo, what sails on that sea? emMA-NOrman… okay, I apologize, I know I have gone too far here, and into cray cray territory, but the rest is valid)!
Btw the shape of that tectonic plate kinda reminds me of Emma’s medallion.
Bonus material
Uuum so CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT POSUKA DEMIZU SENSEI HAS BEEN WEARING A SHARK SUIT SINCE VOLUME 1 ?!???
Now I also recommend that you watch the official video of Part of your world from the Little Mermaid to complete your experience 😉
Also, just picture Emma as Ariel, Ray as Sebastian and Flounder as Norman. It’s a guaranteed delightful experience! 🙄😂
Thank you for reading and if you enjoyed it please reblog so it reaches others as well.
Also, I totally love to hear people’s reactions and thoughts! 😊
Where do you think Norman's arc will go from now (that he's met Emma and Ray)? Also, how do you think the story will end?
So, the two most important facts about Norman’s arc is that one, he’s the character of the trio between Ray and Emma with the least flaws, and two the majority of his arc has taken place offscreen. This is not a criticism, this is pointing out where the subversion with his character is going to come from.
So when analyzing Norman you have to take into account that both Ray, and Emma sort of believe Norman to have been the best of the group. Even if Emma is the moral fiber, it was Norman who did the vast majority of the planning for the escape. That was why Norman was taken away from them in the first place, for story purposes it was to show that it was in fact not all Norman which led to their success and both Ray and Emma are strong and capable in their own right. In the end all three of them are equals with equal capabilities.
However, the fact that Norman was taken from them and that he also chose to sacrifice himself resulted in both Ray and Emma sort of putting Norman on a pedestal. Especially when it came into terms with their perception of him and their assessment of themselves. While it makes sense for them to remember him in an idealized light when he sacrificed himself, now that it turns out he’s actually lived Norman the real person is going to compete with the image of Norman both of them have been carrying around this entire time in order to motivate their actions.
Norman not only put the inishing touches on him and Emma’s plan while knowing that he would die soon, but he also correctly predicted Ray’s actions and told Emma how to save him.
When they’re escaping, as he watches the scene in front of him Ray hallucinates Norman for a moment to come to terms with the reality of the situation. Norman also speaks what are probably just Ray’s own feelings on Emma that he himself can’t admit and can only see coming out of Norman’s mouth.
In the second arc when Emma has a near death experience after being shot, it’s Norman that she imagines as the one who stops her from falling and also swims up with her back to the surface. It’s his image that literally guides her back to life. Except, we know Norman is not a ghost that can magically appear to either of the two at the time because he’s still alive in both cases.
The trio is an extremely tight knit family, and they all believe in each other’s strengths of course, but of the trio we’re shown the least of Norman’s flaws, and that makes sense as both Ray and Emma admire him so much and this story is mainly told from the perspective of the children. Norman sort of becomes the symbol of their survival and escape, even though technically it’s never been Norman from the start, it was always Emma’s ideals of saving everyone, of escaping with their whole family that guided them and Norman was the one most driven to make those ideals a reality out of his love for Emma.
Not only do the characters in the story treat Norman as a symbol though, now Norman himself has taken on the role of a symbol leaving his original name aside and calling himself William Minerva instead. Someone who was a literal symbol, because he was a made up person that James Ratri created to inspire children to escape from the plantation system.
In the first chapter we’re reintroduced to Norman and his situation as posing as Minerva the entire chapter he’s drawn without a face while all of his followers for the most part are detailed. This is more than just to preserve the twist that Norman has taken to posing as William Minerva. It’s also symbolic of what Norman is doing, he’s casting his own identity aside and forcing himself to play a role which he thinks will be of greater benefit to everybody else in the long run.
He’s playing the role of an idealized hero, a children’s fairy tale hero when he still is just a child himself.
So, a lot of Norman’s role in the story is concealed but there’s some very important hints to take from the introduction of his character. While Emma is the ain character, remember it was originally Norman who was introduced as the supporting male lead, the one who found out about Connie at the same time, the one who promised to escape with Emma at the same time. It was originally Norman who made the promise to escape together with Emma.
And eventually instead it became Ray who escaped with Emma, while Norman sacrificed himself intending to die and be eaten there. What happened instead was a reversal of their situations. Ray had Emma, and the rest of his family as support while enduring the hardships of the next year, whereas Norman endured it all alone.
Norman had only one accomplice and even that person he failed to protect them during his escape, which he had to figure out how to escape from an entirely second plantation all on his own.
What I’m pointing at here is Norman is originally set up as the supporting character to Emma and the main one at her side, but he gets separated from her for the vast majority of the time after the first arc, and not only that but afterwards Norman had to endure a bunch of trauma all alone. His response to that however, has been to ascend to a position of power instead and make himself out to be the savior of the neverland, rather than showing any signs of being a traumatized kid who has been separated from his two closest friends and the rest of his family for a year and a half and forced through terrible human experimentation alone.
Now finally, returning again to the opening chapters, what exactly is Norman’s main flaw? Ray’s is his tendency to always rely on sacrifices, both himself and others and his willingness to dirty his hands, which combines with a low self image he has viewing himself as worth less than his two friends because of what he was willing to do and the guilt he had already carried. Emma’s flaw and strength are one in the same, her naivete and willingness to believe in others puts her in reckless danger but it also allows her to take paths that nobody else would try to take to save everyone, and also to not give up in circumstances where most others would give up. Emma is vulnerable and she constantly exposes herself to danger and that’s not something that can be brushed off easily in a world that’s constantly trying to kill them, but also it means that he wearing her vulnerability on her sleeve makes her the most emotionally developed and the empathic of the other two boys and because of that she’s able to easily imagine the situations of others and constantly tries to offer them to join her side. It’s Emma’s unrealistic dreams that drive the three to try to make the world into a better place.
Then, where are Norman’s flaws in that? In a way Norman seems to strike a perfect balance between the two. He’s calculating and cunning like Ray, and yet at the same time he also is somebody who wants to hold up Emma’s ideals. Even in the first chapter, Ray demonstrates that Norman has a critical thing when it comes to thinking that Emma is lacking.
Norman’s the smartest of the three, Ray can compete with Norman in terms of brains but he’s the most well studied. Ray even says so later that it’s not like he has raw genius he just studied his hardest even though he hated studying because he wanted to be a tasty meal that he could deny the demons. and Emma of the three is the most flexible because she’s constantly changing her ideals.
Also, not only that but the first tag match in the first chapter ends with a one on one battle between Norman and Emma. Which is clear foreshadowing that while Norman and Emma start out as each other’s closest ally, and Norman as Emma’s supporting male lead that eventually the two are going to disagree with each other and probably have to compete with each other which is why Norman was separated from the plot for so long and so much of him still remains a mystery.
In the 4th chapter, Norman gets some more foreshadowing to establish his flaws. The first thing is Norman mentions over and over again his main motiation is Emma, who Norman sees as a better person than him. (This is a theme with the trio gosh guys stop comparing yourselves to each other). Norman feels guilty for being scared only of his own life when Emma was crying not for herself but for the sake of her family. From that moment forward he swore to be the one to bring Emma’s ideals into reality no matter how far fetched they are.
Norman’s actually more logical and more driven by cold blooded reason than Ray, however Norman doesn’t wish to be like that so he makes most of his actions for Emma’s sake rather than following his own ideals. Norman’s statements in chapter four are rife with foreshadowing.
“I’ll use myself to accomplish it.” “I’ve always managed to accomplish what I set out to do.” “So, what are you going to do? Emma and I are insane. We’ve completely lost it.”
All of these statements which seem perfectly innocent at the time because they’re a part of Norman’s speech to motivate Ray, and his declaration of Love for Emma, but they’re also words in a different context that could take a much darker turn. The Promised Neverland tends to play the long game when it came to foreshadowing, reveals about the demons taking on the characteristics of what they eat that became relevant this arc were foreshadowed as early as the Goldy Pond arc where one demon ate the brains of another and then started to hear two voices in its head instead of just its own.
“I’ll do anything…” is a recurring theme for Norman.
At which point I must mention, the difference between Norman and Ray’s flaws. Ray is a pragmatist, he believes sacrifices are necessary and is willing to dirty his own hands to make those sacrifices. The difference in the flaw then lies in the ideals. Ray is a pragmatist, whereas Norman is still an idealist because he believes in Emma’s ideals to this day. Whereas Ray makes sacrifices for the sake of survival and accomplishing realistic goals, Norman’s flaw is that he’ll sacrifice to bring Emma’s lofty ideals into reality. He’ll do it for the sake of ideals.
And as early as the first arc, Norman is referred to as willing to do “Anything”. However, that was when Norman was surrounded by his family and in a much mentally healthier situation, so his definition of “Anything” has probably changed between then and now.
See Norman’s flaw is that his ideals aren’t his own, they’re Emma’s. Not only that, Norman is constantly criticizing himself for not being as selfless as Emma is in his eyes. Which is not really fair criticism that Norman is levying on himself, for example he gets upset when he a child gets afraid of dying.
He has trouble seeing with himself individually as a person, and dealing with his own weakness. Especially when he’s usually relied upon to be the level headed one of the three, the best of the three, the leader of the three, etc. etc. And his way of coping with his feelings of powerlessness in those situations is to go back to tactics.
So, when Norman gets more and more upset he tends to instead of working through those feelings buckle down and see everything as pieces on the board. He believes absolutely in every situation he can overcome with tactics and making use of everything around him. Not only that his appointed task is not even for himself and his own ideas but rather to make Emma’s dreams a reality because Norman doesn’t see himself as good of a person as he sees Emma as.
So, right away that’s a combination of 1) Norman having a natural tendency to go to extremes especially when it comes to using people, situations, and everything present to get what he wants out of a situation. and 2) somebody who adheres himself to ideals and is intensely dedicated to bringing those ideals into reality even if those ideals are not his own.
So, it’s easy to see why after being isolated from his two moral compasses and then traumatized in a child experimentation lab, that Norman’s way of dealing with this trauma and turning it into something productive another piece on the board has been to completely shed away his own identity as pose as someone else (Norman doesn’t really believe he’s a good person like Emma is), that person being the lofty ideal of William Minerva rather than an actual person, and two once again saying that he’s doing all of this to bring Emma’s ideals into reality.
Neither of these things are necessarily harmful on their own. WHen they’re together Norman and Emma make a good team, Emma being the one who makes the ideals and Norman the one who wants to use strategy and tactics to bring them to life. However, Norman has been separted from Emma for a long time and making these decisions all on his own, and there’s been a clear case in escalation in the stakes Norman is dealing with.
The first thing he does in the chapter he’s reintroduced in is burn a platnation to the ground with the comatose mass production children still inside. I’m not going to discuss the ethics of this, but Norman himself feels guilty for not being able to save those children which shows the weight he’s currently taking on his shoulders and the decisions he’s making.
So Norman in the year he’s been apart from his family has gone from, “I want all my family members to escape alive” to “Burn everything down to the ground and rebuild a paradise from the lost ashes”. I’m not making a moral judgement on Norman’s philosophy, especially since he’s rebelling against a fundamentally corrupt system based on child murder and human farming, however, his views are extreme and they’ve only become more extreme the more pressure he’s put on himself to carry out those ideals for every child he takes in.
So then you have the breakdown of the trio again. Emma, the reckless idealist, Ray the pragmatist, and Norman the extremist. Norman is now the most in the know, and the one of the group with the most resources but that doesn’t mean Emma and Ray are going to go along with him and follow out his plan.
Otherwise, the story would have been split up on focusing between Norman and Ray + Emma on their journey to reunite with one another. However, there’s one important thing to notice about this latest chapter.
Norman talks about again in front of Emma that all he wants is to make her dream come true, living with her family and being able to care for them in a world that’s not actively trying to kill them. This brings a smile to Emma’s face.
Then Norman says that he’s been preparing all this time to make Emma’s dream a reality, and not only after losing their base does he have a plant to do it, but he also has resources, contacts, and measures in place to carry it out. It sounds too good to be true, after losing their hideout and Yugo and Lucas, they find Norman again and the same old Norman who seems to have everything figured out and only wants the best or his family.
Yet, this is what Norman suggests.
Genocide, to simply wipe out all the demons and make this second world a paradise for humans, because if all the demons were gone there would be no reason to feed on humans anymore. And the author even takes the time to panel out Emma’s changing reaction, from a smile, to a hesitant face, to a slow look of horror.
This isn’t what Emma wants to do. Norman’s strayed far from Emma’s ideals in his methodology. Emma is going to reject his answer, because Genocide of an intelligent species is a net wrong no matter what ends you’re trying to accomplish with those means.
The kids have been killing demons all along, but can they really kill every single demon in order to build a world better for them? When things such as child demons and demons families exist? That’s what is weighing on Emma’s face. Her ideals are clashing finally with Norman’s need to go to extremes to bring those ideals into a reality and it’s going to cause a conflict between the two of them. That’s what’s registering on her face right now as Norman says with complete confidence all they need to do is wipe out every last demon to get the happy ending they want.
That’s the direction I think Norman’s arc will go from now on! Thank you for sending the ask, anon.
Everyone’s reaction to Norman from chapter 119 to 120 be like:
From “I miss you guys” to “Lets fucking kill the entire demon race”
Chapter 119:
Chapter 120:
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