The shippers who want both murdoc and 2d to mentally get better, put their differences aside and become friends/lovers are perfectly fine. I know people who ship 2doc in this way and theyāre kind people. This blog isnāt directed towards shippers like them.
The more toxic 2doc shippers are who I have an issue with, people who like seeing and writing 2d being brutally abused by murdoc, people who say 2d is at fault for what he goes through, people who say murdoc beats 2d because thatās his way of showing romantic affection, etc etc. The abuse in 2d and murdocs relationship is something that lots of people irl go through, including myself. Iāve personally experienced abuse in the same ballpark that 2d has gone through.(verbal and physical) So to see people romanticize a ship like 2doc thatās so abusive and toxic is uncomfortable for me as it hits a little close to home. Itās ok to criticize things you like or dislike.
On this blog I am expressing my thoughts and frustrations about this ship to others who feel the same. If you donāt agree, youāre well within your right. Block me and move on.
Hey so all those fanfictions that start with "a boy and his-" were all made by PeachyHaru as well (the author of the babysitter au). They're genuinely a very gross person, and won't apologize for anything even if they know they're wrong. Sick fuck of a person if you ask me :/ I wouldn't ever want to meet them in real life, yuck!
(Clearing inbox) yea super gross. Iāve had them blocked for a while
Anyone else feel like Murdocās treatment towards 2d is technically abuse and exploitation of a vulnerable adult?
Like murdoc has admitted with zero remorse or shame that heād physically abuse comatose 19yo 2d back when he had to care for him, muds was basically legally classified as a caretaker. On top of that murdoc basically took 2d for himself after the second car crash woke them from their coma. I canāt help but imagine 2d in that situation mentally confused and probably scared of this random guy who wants him to be the frontman of his new band. If murdoc admits so easily to abusing 2d in such a vulnerable position then I have no doubt 2d has probably gone through several forms of neglect in those early days. Murdoc was most likely responsible for bathing, feeding and medicating 2d. I think murdoc would either do a half assed job or was too lazy to do such.
2d was most definitely easy to manipulate as well. A āblank sheetā as murdoc calls him iirc that murdoc could feed whatever mindset he wanted. Ex: ālook I saved your life; you owe me your soul.ā Also 2d saying murdoc has never nearly killed him before when asked how he feels about that car crash (interview w/ dazed and confused). Murdoc has completely conditioned2 d into thinking the car crash that permanently disabled them actually saved them and 2d should therefore return the favor by following murdoc like a sheep. If 2d was t taught to think this way and he reacted angrily, murdoc would probably go out of his way to make 2d out to be the ungrateful one. Jamie also mentioned in the bananaz documentary that 2d blindly worships and follows murdoc and isnāt convinced by anyone that heās being abused. I donāt think 2d was mentally capable of seeing all of murdocs red flags at the time. With the mental state of a 12 y/o and suffering from chronic pain thereās no way 2d could pick up on it. But at some point down the line 2d would eventually notice the signs but would be too reluctant or scared to leave because of the well established codependent relationship between the two.
And since murdoc was legally required to care for 2d, heād be responsible for making sure 2d get his migraine medicine as well, wouldnāt he? ļæ¼with 2d already having an established opioid addiction before meeting murdoc I think heād take advantage of that as well. Like murdoc giving 2d more doses of medication than required, enabling him on purpose (probably leading 2d to overdose?) Codependent relationships are all about one person being reliant on another or enabling the other personās addiction or behavior. Murdoc probably enabled 2ds addiction to keep them reliant on him and he can stay in control.
The way Murdoc completely changed D-Day from an extremely traumatic event for 2d Into a profitable story that is marked as the beginning of gorillaz always felt gross to me. This comes up again with murdocs and young noodles relationship too. Taking advantage of 10yo noodleās situation and exploiting her for profit. (Granted noodle was on the verge of death before being mailed to kong but yk)
Hello everyone. sorry Iāve been gone for a while, life has kept me busy. Iām happy to see 2-D is non binary! They have my full support! I plan on posting again soon.
So relieved when I saw your disclaimer! I thought you were one of those people that hates the ship just because "they hate eachother" and won't listen to any reason. I'm glad you aren't, keep going. And I could supply you with some more information on people you might want to warn others about, seeing as I've been in the battlefield of the whole drama a while back.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS BLOG. I feel like people grossly overlook the blatant abuse that Murdoc does to 2D. It feels like people don't understand how abuse works and it makes me so irritated ngl.
ofc! when i saw all the hints of 2doc in 2ds room in kong, it really didn't sit right with me. i know 2d is implied to be lobotomized, but i think that was just used as an excuse to lean into the fandoms idea of 2d being in love with murdoc despite all hes put him through. just left a bad taste in my mouth
2D's recovery arc would have been so nice to see. Especially knowing all the shit he's been through and his unhealthy ways of coping. Recovery can be a rollercoaster of emotions and its compelling to think about how 2ds recovery would turn out (if written correctly). And since Gorillaz was made for the purpose of criticizing the music industry, the writers could have taken the opportunity to use 2ds recovery arc to criticize how celebrities deal with exploitation, abuse, sexual assault, etc. And because of such, it leaves celebs dealing with with anxiety, self harm and suicidal ideations, turning to hard drugs to cope. The way celebs' mental health is dismissed my the media in general could have been criticized as well. Such a missed chance, sadly. But that's why there's fanfiction!
I hate the constant 2Doc correlations people make regarding Plastic Beach and The Now Now. The Now Now more or so because Plastic Beach 's love stories that I've seen boil down to them banging or 2D getting raped. Thats a whole fucking separate rant I can't articulate properly but I'll try.
Murdoc is an assault victim himself on numerous occasions & is an extreme sadist. Not saying hurt people can't hurt other people, but Murdoc would rather have beat the shit out of 2D for relief than fuck him on PB. To Binge and Broken isn't dedicated to their relationship and I'm tired of seeing it brought up when discussing music from Plastic Beach. I want to indulge 2Doc fans sometimes when they have something compelling or complex going on but the indulging stops the moment it becomes Uke/Seme dynamics.
The Now Now is bastardized as 2-D's album about longing for Murdoc instead of his journey of self reflection and who 2D is. Or it can be seen as an album of 2D processing his life without Murdoc at the reigns. Some haven't felt the mixed of sudden relief, the chained existential crisis of your abuser of years finally gone, and the constant hell of trying to process it all and trying to figure out if you're glad they're gone or if you miss them... And it shows.
Murdoc's in the visuals for Souk Eye during the line 'I will always think about you' is constantly painted as romantic when 2-D, more or so, is choosing to forgive Murdoc for everything he did in his life. Jamie claimed the visualizers are random butānoā"its so obvious they want each other. The visualizer hints at it." Not like 2-D is a forgiving guy or known to have Stockholm Syndrome and is most likely trauma bonded with Murdoc. That's ALWAYS painted as a romantic attraction. You can miss your abuser as much as you can forgive all that they've done to you. But "Oh they fuckin."
I hate bitching about this. I'm sorry to 2Doc fans who like seeing them together and make fun stuff about them or come up with entertaining/funny moments between them Or just want them being cute. These men do need love, admittedly, and I am all for harmless fun. But why is it okay for you to come up with theories and ideas about the ship from songs, art, albums, etc. but others have to shut up because "you're a 2doc denier." Yeah, I guess? Because I don't ship them. There can be a deeper discussion to be had about their complex relationship that doesn't have to end up with them having sex, becoming a couple, or having a situationship. I guess even if the latter makes sense? Idfk.
Sorry to shit this all out on here.
Very well written!
The fandom morphing the now now into a romantic album that 2d supposedly wrote for Murdoc has always irritated me. And I think the free Murdoc campaign contributed to that theory. What started off as 2d finding his worth outside of his abuser turned into 'oh he's secretly in love with him and wants him back!' Murdoc's conversations during the free Murdoc campaign were quite telling how conniving he can be. Saying he's a believer in 'tough love', knowing damn well how much he fucked up 2d, calling 2d a house cat that needs to be neutered like he has a right over his body, etc etc. The whole movement in itself was pretty unnecessary to me. It made 2d's road to recovery unfinished and short-lived because people wanted his abuser to come back, even his own bandmates.
What irritates me the most was all the stupid theories. 'why is 2d acting so weird? is he possessed?' Did absolutely nobody consider the fact he was trying to figure shit out? He's been consistently abused by the same guy for 20 years at that point. To me, the now now is kind of like a conversation between 2d and Stuart pot, if that makes sense. Like 2d is taking this time to reflect on his identity and self worth yk? I remember seeing a post that said TNN had manic depressive vibes and I think it's quite fitting to the situation. 2d's behavior at the time where he acted like he was the shit screams bipolar 2 disorder. Of course, some of that cocky dick-headed energy has always been part of his personality, but the point still stands.
As for 2d having Stockholm's, i personally am not a fan of it and don't think he has it. 2d hasn't once defended or reasoned with murdoc's actions towards him. He knows murdocs childhood story and knows why murdoc does the shit that he does, because he's an insecure asshole repeating the abusive cycle. Murdocs actions during plastic beach were a big eye opener for 2d and changed how he viewed muds, considering he used to look up to him. To Binge and Broken being seen as songs about their 'relationship' is so bizarre to me. Muds likes to write songs that do well on the charts, and 2d sings those songs because he's being forced to.
Overall, these two are capable of having good moments, and there's nothing wrong with people who ship 2doc for those good moments. But some 2doc shippers really need to stop making EVERYTHING that involves these two into something romantic because it's not. There can be conversations made about how this pairings toxic and abusive nature without involving romance, justifying said abuse, and or victim blaming like some 2doc shippers do. I don't get why some shippers are so uptight about "2doc deniers" anyway. Being uncomfortable with or not liking this ship shouldn't diminish conversations criticizing it since it's abusive aspect is realistic and likely hits home for some people.
i hate how people ignore the TWELVE/THIRTEEN year age gap with Murdoc and 2D... like its already awful that its freaking toxic and abusive BUT CMON A THIRTEEN YEAR AGE GAP WHAT. MURDOC WAS A LEGAL ADULT WHEN 2D WAS FIVE. Too many people just forget about it and its crazy cause 2doc shippers then hate on 2nu shippers (NEITHER ARE OKAY) WHEN THEY HAVE THE SAME BLOODY AGE DIFFERENCE!! I get its about personal boundaries/ preference when it comes to how big of an age gap you're okay with but anything 10+ years for me is a big nope, and even past 7 for me is a stretch...
Most definitely. Their age gap shows the clear power imbalance they have. Their relationship is very codependent. 2d has been exploited by Murdoc since he was 19. And 2d having the mental capacity of a 12 year old because of Muds enhances this power dynamic. Murdoc being the leader of the band is in control of everything. And 2d in the early phases followed along because he was immature and new to the music world. 2d has been manipulated and conditioned to think that Murdoc was his savior for uprooting him to fame. Kind of like a puppet and their master pulling the strings. So when I think of the fanfics where Murdoc takes advantage of 2d and sexually abuses him, it makes this aspect of the ship more creepy. Hopefully Murdoc hasnāt done something like that in canon. If Iām correct, their relationship this is supposed to be a criticism of how musicians are exploited in the music industry.
I try to give 2Doc fans the benefit of the doubt but they constantly collaborate with these people and it's so tiring for them to make excuses cos 'good artist,' 'my ship!' or for the sake of 'toxic yaoi' or whatever excuse they want to make š
I can count on one hand the 2Doc artists I interact with that are good people. The rest are so damn toxic. Guess it fits given the ship they so plaster everywhere and praise nonstop. š¤·š»āāļø
That shit was genuinely so disgusting, especially that au where 2d was 15 and being groomed by 27yo Murdoc and his brother Hannibal. The fics for that au are just as gross. I think it was in august I saw a random surge in stories titled āA Boy and his___ā by an anonymous person. Theyāre just as gross as they sound. That babysitter au where teen Stu cares for young Murdoc was gross as well.
The mischaracterization of both Murdoc and 2d was appalling. Muds is an asshole, but heās not a fucking pedophile. Same goes for 2d. 2d pre-gorillaz isnāt anywhere near the soft baby type. 2d being trans in the au was 100% for fetish purposes. Thatās what I also have a problem with when it comes to these types of 2doc shippers. 2d NEEDS to be feminine in some way. He NEEDS to be the flustered bottom bitch, Murdoc NEEDS to be the possessive alpha dom. Heavily overused dynamic in like almost every yaoi ship to exist.
I remember seeing one of those people involved in those aus being creepy to a minor on twitter. Its telling how comfortable those people are having inappropriate conversations with minors online. Those auās are obviously made to satisfy their sick fetishes involving minors. And the characters being fictional doesnāt justify or change that despite how much they try to convince you it is. The actual nice 2doc shippers are given such a bad rep because of these people. I donāt personally ship it (obviously) but I have moots who do and theyāre genuinely kind people. Those people need serious help and have no place in the gorillaz community. But to be honest, they probably donāt want help.
Iād love to see an in-depth retrospective on 2ds life post plastic beach, itās very interesting to think about. People tend to overlook how mentally damaging 2ds situation was on plastic beach. I can imagine 2d has a lot of mental problems from his experience that he still deals with to this day.
Like, 2d being locked in an underwater room with his biggest fear, whales. Imagine being in his situation but instead of a whale, itās a giant spider or centipede or something. That would fuck you up too, wouldnāt it? Considering 2d was going through such an experience for half a decade, his fear of whales has to be a trillion times worse than it was before. Along with that, his newfound fear of being locked in rooms. Imagine the intense anxiety of wanting to escape, but if you try, your irrational fear being in the room with you breaks you down to the point you have no other choice to stay.
Imagine how more and more hopeless he became throughout the years. More and more accepting of the fact he was gonna die and nobody would know. 2d doing his best to make a call for help but being shut down by murdoc every time. Him being so hopeless to the point of self harm and suicide but being prevented from doing so by murdoc so he can keep exploiting him. 2d accepting the fact that if he were to die, only murdoc would be the one to kill him because he isnāt allowed to do it himself. And 2ds only reason behind killing himself was to get away from murdoc forever. Knowing that the sweet release of death may not even be possible either because murdoc would probably find a way to bring him back. Muds is immortal after all.
And 2ds life post plastic beach. The ptsd from it all. Him being distrusting and scared of real noodle because heās convinced sheās just another cyborg. The terrible social anxiety from being locked away from civilization for so long. The emotional time 2d spent reconnecting with his family after being off the radar for nearly 10 years. Him reuniting with his mom after sheās been so worried that heās passed. Permanent physical scars 2d has and the continuous struggle with suicidal thoughts, eating disorders, etc.
And 2ds sustained hatred towards murdoc. How much he canāt bear to look at him sometimes. The constant nightmares of murdoc that sometimes 2d canāt decipher whether theyāre real or not because of his brain damage. The flashbacks and panic attacks that 2d went through after the lost chord incident. The prolonged ptsd episodes he goes through where he still thinks heās on the beach. 2d relapsing hard and nearly ODing to try and ease his pain. I could go on.
This shows a perfect example of 2D and murdocs dynamic, at least In the early phases.
As soon as murdoc starts yelling, 2d immediately gets all stuttery and nervous. Then when murdoc yells about the banging 2d gets agitated and panicky and starts stuttering even more like heās on the verge of a meltdown. An he panicked even more when muds goes to burn the eel and Russel walks in, almost as if heās worried about them getting into a physical fight.
I personally relate a lot to 2d in this sense. I witnessed a lot of verbal arguments growing up and Iād always break down when said arguments would become violent or Iād be yelled at. Thatās very much whatās happening to 2d here. Heās trying his best to avoid a violent confrontation and when he gets yelled at, he freaks out and breaks down because heās scared of being hit and/or watching murdoc and Russel fighting because screaming matches are distressing to be in the middle of. And he probably ends up being hit most of the time.
This leaves 2d walking around eggshells and overall being extremely skittish because of murdocs unpredictable temper. 2ds skittishness is a symptom of abuse. And while the g bites are canonically skits that the gang are acting in, I donāt think this one was acting at all.
The way everyone says 2d is like a pet and treats him like an animal feels so ableist to me. Canon and fanon. Especially the way murdoc words it. āHeās eager to please, he waits on me hand and foot,ā etc etc. 2d is clearly people pleasing because heās scared of what happens when muds gets angry. So, he walks on eggshells and keeps murdoc happy to avoid a violent confrontation. People pleasing is a response to trauma and I need more people to know that. As for the shit where 2d eats dog food, itās clearly a thing thatās trying to reinforce the pet thing. Along with the puppy play bullshit that some people like to draw comes into mind too. (The official art where 2d wears a collar shows just how much murdoc treats him like property) I relate to 2ds autism as I have autism as well. And people are known to treat autistic people like theyāre dumb children who canāt think for themselves, or refer to autistic people as an animal or a pet. Iām aware that Damon and Jamie have talked about themselves having autistic traits so it just makes me wonder if the pet thing on their part is projection of some kind because theyāve experienced something similar? Itās simply speculation, please donāt take my word for it. Back to 2d, itās all just so dehumanizing yk? Nobody ever thinks about how he feels about being treated like a pet. I canāt imagine heās happy about it. I canāt imagine how isolating that must feel for him. He deserves to be treated like a person!
Iām gonna sound like an odd one out when I say this but Iām really not a fan of how much the writers are catering to 2doc. 2ds new room has so many Easter eggs hinting that he loves murdoc and that 2doc is canon or whatever. I honestly donāt fw it. It kinda hurts seeing how much plastic beach has been retconned in general. I feel like 2d would hate that album. He went through hell recording that shit.
Iām not coming for the 2doc shippers that want the both of them to get better and be friends. I donāt have a problem with the ship in that regard. This is more for the people who romanticize all the torment muds has put 2d through and saying he just does that cuz he āloves himā or whatever.
2doc has been abusive since day one so this ship is already kinda uncomfortable for me, but thatās just me. Abuser x victim really isnāt my forte and itās disappointing how many people romanticize it. I see cute fanart of the all the time and I honestly like some of those pieces, but the ship itself is just kinda gross to me. Like murdoc has done too much unforgivable shit to 2d and I donāt believe 2d would forgive him. As someone whoās been abused, I donāt think 2d should forgive him. And yeah you could argue that itās just 2ds Stockholm syndrome but I entirely disagree.
Stockholmās happens between two strangers. 2d and murdoc already knew each other and the abuse was already established before he was kidnapped. 2d has never defended nor justified any of murdocs actions towards him not even after the writing went downhill after p4. So I really donāt believe 2d has Stockholm syndrome at all. Thatās why p5 disappoints me so much as much as i love that phase. P5 started off strong with 2d trying to move on from all the trauma murdoc put him through and the free murdoc campaign made the whole story start going backwards. I think the free murdoc campaign was made entirely to appease the murdoc fans who missed him.
I hate how the now now, an album all about 2ds recovery as an abuse victim learning to become his own person has been morphed by fans into a love letter to his abuser. If anything TNN is just one big hypomanic depressive episode, at least to me. This post analyses TNN much better than I could. It's a good read.
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What disappoints me the most of p5 is how short lived 2ds road to recovery was. Like he was in the early stages of finding his worth outside of being murdocs punching bag but now that heās back from jail 9 months later, heās back at square one. And heās been stuck at square one since. I think if murdoc was jailed for longer, like for 3 years, 2ds recovery would have been much more satisfying.
Iād love to see more of arrogant, confident 2d to stand up to murdoc and just chew him out. I want 2d to just tear into muds that heās a pathetic man who get a kick off of dragging down every one else to his level so he feels better about himself. I want him to tell that green motherfucker that heās not his puppet anymore and their relationship from now on is strictly professional, with a āgo fuck yourselfā to end it off. People tend to forget how much of a dick 2d can be, as much as we all love him. Thereās multiple instances of 2d being the one to start their fights by constantly picking at him and rage baiting him and I really wanna see more of that side of 2d. Iām not saying I want more of 2d being abused, but more of I want 2d to put muds in his place if that makes sense. I see it as Stuart coming out to play, yk?
You could argue that murdoc is trying to be better, but I disagree with that as well. Murdoc is written to be irredeemable, as said by the creators themselves. Heās an abuser and abusers donāt change. And as 2d is an abuse victim, he is 10000% within his right to tell murdoc how much he hates him and how heāll never forgive him.
