Anti Jack Kline

Side blog where I rant about - in my opinion - the worst character Supernatural has ever produced. Dean and Crowley!girl, Destiel shipper. No hate against actors/real persons just against fictional characters. Fans of the character: Please don't interact, simply block me. I am here to vent, not to attack real people because of fictional characters.

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i'm not asking for names but do you know casgirls who don't care / dislike (hate with any hope) the spawn? bc i found none and it's distressing

Actually yes, I have found a few... although, well, it's 50-50 because some of them found me. As most people who do not care for this character, they were worried they'd get doxxed if they dared openly voice their opinion, so I've had quite a few "OMG HE SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS" conversations as a cleanse

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Ladies (and gents)… Eric Kripke is making a comeback. This means Jack Kline has an expiration date ✌️

Let's hope for the best.

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Just want to archive how Dabb’s assistant (and later writer) perceived Dean. This is a reblog she made during dabbnatural.

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thanks for the tip about ctrl + z to find if the spawn features in fics. i can't believe i'd never have thought about it if not for your blog!!!!! it helps me save so much time

RIGHT? I was so glad when I thought of it, if I may say so myself. No sponteanous spawn appearances to make me rage.

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what i said to you earlier about s11 ending without jack existance i wasnt trying to saydean had to die , i was just refrencing how jack plot as literally dean ultimate sacrifice plot but bad version of it and i said dean sacrifice as he intended to sacrifice himself but eventually his selflessness lead to amara refixing the world and him not having to die

Oh I know, I wasn't talking about you specifically about people saying Dean had to die. I am just generally annoyed at most things that came after season 12.

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when i think about s11 a lot i realize that if carver finished his season without dabb or cw interference , we wouldve had a better less comidic casifer if we even had him in first place and with chuck dying and dean sacrificing hismelf as a bomb to kill amara we wouldve had literally the exacrt end of supernatural without crapyy spawn , without ooc joke lucifer and at the very least only dean died but in a heroic way just like sam in swan song

I would not have been happy about this because I will fight anyone who says Dean had to die until my dying day, but... pretty much. Anything without the spawn is a good thing in my opinion.

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Why out of everyone did Jensen have to bring Jack back? And to boss dean around and threaten him no less. *sigh* I expected more out of this show

Well, I expected nothing and I am still disappointed. At least now I know for certain I am never watching this.

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why were pro Jack stans arguing with you on an anti acc? talk about entitlement. No wonder they like who they like.

There are two types of Jack fans who talked to me, honestly. One was the people who were ready to discuss and understand my point of view which I will always be very grateful for and encourage. There should be more of that. Respectful conversations for the win!

Then there were the other ones... Yeah I got called despicable and worse things a couple of times because I didn't go uwu despite telling people in my description I didn't want to interact, but this is the internet. I knew what would happen when I created this blog, I have to admit that.

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I apoligize. I don't mean to lecture and certianly Don't want to insult you or your views on these fictional characters. Its More Even with all the not so great decision making and parenting of John and Mary, I still do see more good then bad. I see two people trying their best in a chaotic world full of mindwipes monsters and heavenly manipulation. I mean if the Winchesters wen't raised how they were, they wouldn't have become what they are now. And even in the pre series Comics and tie ins you

It's alright, sometimes we all misread the tone of a message (which I dare say I did).

I agree that Mary and John are morally grey, John certainly thought he did his best (no idea what she was up to with the Men of Letters, the writing in the last few seasons was... something else) it's just that knowing what I know, this show won't be any fun for me. So I'll let people enjoy it and stay clear.

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Can see John questioning if he should be parenting them this way and having them on the road. With him though really does seem to be the only way to protect them. That or with other hunters, Pastor Jim or in a Warded hotel room with Dean taking care of Sam. And it is only the later seasons (Which actually did try to make him seem worse) and when Dean is old enough to babysit Sam, That John actually left for longer periods of time. Again no disrespect to how you see it, I see more good then bad.

It just ends with "leaving small children in a motel room for me". It might be argued that it might be the best he could have done under the circumstances, but... remember Ellen? You can't tell me that he ddin't meet some people on the way who would have been like "Alright enough is enough get these boys over here ASAP". For me, there comes a moment when a parent has to realize when their children aren't save with them, and John missed that by a mile. Again, nothing but respect and agree to disagree, but man.

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I mean John isn't the abusive monster the fandom likes to paint him as. I'm eger for that take on him to be debunked. Sorry. He was a greif stricken war vetern that did his best post losing his wife. He did try to be there for his children and did not physically abuse them. The rest though is quite complicated. He did want them to have normal. He also did have to train them as he knew The Demon was still after them. John and Mary are just as deserving of sympathy as the rest of the cast.

Now, I can agree with some of what you are saying, but there is a difference between villainizing them and actually wanting to see them on screen. I like to think I don't do either. Also, no offense, but abuse - to use that horrible word - consists of more than simply beating your children 24/7. Leaving two small children - the oldest not even been ten yet - to fend for themselves in a motel room when you're going on hunts, an occupation that could kill you without anyone knowing where they are or what to do if that is the case - is at the very least neglect which can, in fact, constitute abuse. Vet or no vet, there are duties as well as privileges you obtain when becoming a parent, and you have to fulfill them, which John failed to do. It is even canon that he left his children with someone who gave them beer when they were not even ten years old - hardly the actions of a responsible, loving parent.

While I do agree that Mary had a reason to be hesitant about the world she found herself - well, here's my problem: she literally didn't have a problem with anything BUT her kids. Hunting? Suddenly fine! Working with a bunch of psychopaths because they shared her black and white views? Perfectly okay! Bonding with an adult manbaby instead of her own kids? Let's go! I also have to say that I personally defended Mary leaving in her third episodes until I talked about it with someone who has actually born children, aka my mum: Me: So you see she simply can't see them as her children - Mum (Hasn't seen an episode of SPN in her life): Did they turn out bad me: well they saved the world a couple of times Mum: *disgusted noises* no she belongs with them then

Now, for the record, I am here for a respectful discussion. However, if we are to talk about shades of grey, I hereby ask that people also realize that I am capable of in fact seeing those instead of wishing to lecture me in how to perceive them because I am not eager to watch two characters I know will descend into, when all is said and done, simply utterly selfish parents who were glorified by the show and the children who had to bear that burden.

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I'm looking forward to The Winchesters Spin off. No Jack, No Dabb, Dean Narrating, John and Mary Backstory whare they are going to explain the changes to the Lore. MOL Stuff with John. It has the potential to be interesting. Written by some of the show's best writers as well. It CAN'T be as bad as season 13-15 and I'm hoping its a return to SPN in its glory days

At least it sounds more interesting than what we were given in those seasons, although I am afraid I will never really wish to learn more about John and Mary Winchester.

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the amount of fanfic with evil chuck pro jack total redo of s15 is driving me NUTs!!!! Had enough or too much of that in cannon and don't need an instant replay. Was looking for good god chuck fics which are rare now

It's difficult to look for most fics, these days, because everything to do with the spawn has to be good and pure despite the spawn being anything but... that said, yes, Chuck was definitely villified for no reason by both the show and the fandom. And I say this as someone who never really liked him all that much, not even when first watching season 5.

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After the final Amara Overpowers Jack, Repowers Chuck, Jack is erased and Chuck is God again and he and his sister rule in complete balance. Free will is and has always been in play

This makes so much more sense when you consider the themes of the show.

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Jack playing no major part in the confession is 100% misha’s thing. The confession was written to reflect his goodbye, and so it highlights things misha values most. Dabb and Berens the sociopath would never pay Dean a single thought if it wasn’t misha.

I don't think anyone in the writers' room during the last five seasons of the show spared much thought for Dean, tbh.

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oh! a second thing I forgot. Another consolation for me a Destiel shipper during the confession, it confirmed to me that Jack wasnt a vital part of Castiels emotional storyline. Like remember when Cas story revolved around Jack? On SPN "stuff that takes Cas away from Dean" is Plot stuff. Jack ends up God and was Castiels redemption for his heaven failures post s6+. Thats why - when Cas reflected on his wants/love/happiness etc, Jack played no major part in it whatsoever

I happily accept this because anything to save us from the spawn taking over is wonderful.

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I dont understand why the show didnt just say Team Free Will grew to care about Jack? Why go overboard with the son-stuff? Jack is a being similar to a grown adult that ends up becoming THEIR "heavenly father" (derogatory), whom they help a little bit. "10+ years older men with more expierence in 21century Northern America help someone unfamiliar out for a few months" is not the defintion of fatherhood. At best this resembles a temporary foster-parent situation

Yes to the temporary foster-parent situation... or perhaps someone froma different culture who unexpectedly has to navigate through Middle America?

My best guess is, they wanted cheap feels with the smallest effort. Therefore, this whole "family" thing was born and supposed to be heartwarming. Didn't work, but still.