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New reference of Pipò, a lesser known Muse, for artfight!
Friendly reminder that I have a new art blog!
First drawing of my huevember (for busy bees) + muses prompt list, featuring a lesser known Muse (Paktolò, muse of goldsmithing, metallurgical arts, and jewellery-making). I'm using Esmmazing's amazing palette!
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I was meant to finish this drawing for Saint Valentine's Day, but here I am 🥲 Is it cringe to draw your sona with Alexander the Great? Yes, but I don't care 😎
In an interesting turn of events, now I'm into a certain historic era. A friend approach me with a story based on historic personas, namely Alexander The Great and his Persian lover, Bagoas the eunuch.
I didn't know much about these people and I was instantly intrigued. Alexander had a Persian boy as a lover? Oooooh the drama. The angst. The tragedy. So here we are. I'm in love with Bagoas. The beautiful eunuch with a tragic life. My friend and I really want to tell his story someday, from our perspective since the stories about Alexander is always told from a Greek perspective. It's time Persians do something as well!
Olympias’ relevance to Fate and Iskandar and Faker’s stories part 1
Both Alexander and Faker were raised by Olympias, and that’s why they are the kinds of people that they are, and why they lived the lives they had to live. Although Faker never met him when he was young, she was raised with the intent to protect him and to be devoted to him her entire life. That was her sole purpose as given to her by Olympias. So to understand both of those characters… you have to understand the environment that living with Olympias was. The deeply entrenched familial drama of Alexander the Great.
Where to even start with Olympias…
I’ll skip talking about the massive amount of mystery/mysticism surrounding Alexander that there’s no way he could’ve escaped for now. But to sum up: the amount of mysticism surrounding his entire life was so deeply entrenched that there was fundamentally no way he could have lived his life with human expectations or treatment. From the time of his conception to even now, he was considered a sort of demigod.
So let’s talk about Olympias and the conspiracies surrounding her and her general type of personality for a moment.
Olympias was a princess before she married Philip II. She was the eldest daughter of Neoptolemus I of Epirus. Her marriage to Philip II was largely political, but it’s said that Philip II was in love with her when he met her on an island where the two of them were engaging in the rites of the Mysteries of Cabeiri, two cthonic deities related to Hephaestus.
Olympias had two children with Philip II – Alexander III and Cleopatra. However, Philip II had a child from a previous marriage, a son named Philip III Arridaeus. Alexander was fond of Arridaeus, his half-brother. To cement Alexander’s position as the only rightful heir to the throne, as he was prophecied to be, Olympias allegedly poisoned Arridaeus at one point and left him intellectually disabled and unfit to rule. This did not diminish the relationship between Alexander and Arridaeus, as he was still fond of his brother despite Olympias’ actions, and took him along on his campaigns to protect him from being used as a political tool and to keep him safe.
Philip II took another wife referred to as Cleopatra-Eurydice. Eurydice was the niece of the general Attalus. Eurydice and Philip II had a daughter (and possibly a son), and Olympias grew fearful that her power would be threatened. Olympias was not well-liked. She was known to be a member of the orgiastic Cult of Dionysus who introduced snake-worship into the rites, and was known to sleep with snakes in her bed.
Many people were assuming that with Philip II’s new marriage to Eurydice that he would have a new, proper heir to the kingdom of Macedon, which infuriated Alexander as well, to the point of one episode at the new marriage’s wedding banquet, during which Attalus openly begged the gods for a lawful successor to the throne which so aggravated Alexander that he threw his cup at Attalus’ head and yelled “What am I then, a bastard?”. Philip II rose up to go and kill Alexander but was so drunk that he tripped and fell, prompting Alexander to reply “See there, the man who makes preparations to pass out of Europe into Asia, overturned in passing from one seat to another.”
After this, Alexander and Olympias went into voluntary exile (but an exile nonetheless, not permitted to return). After six months, a family friend helped mediate the situation and allowed both Alexander and Olympias to return home. But Olympias was still not well-received, and Alexander as the proper heir was still not guaranteed. As a Persian satrap offered his daughter to marry Arridaeus, Olympias and several of Alexander’s friends believed that this was a move intended to make Arridaeus the heir to the throne. Alexander sent a messenger named Thessalus to protest and say that the daughter should be married to a proper heir, like Alexander… and when Philip II found out about this, he grew angry, 1) saying Alexander deserves better (!?!) 2) exiling four of Alexander’s friends and having Thessalus brought back in chains.
In this same year Philip II had his and Olympias’ daughter Cleopatra married to Olympias’ brother Alexander I of Epirus to ally himself. As the situation mounted against Olympias and lead to her isolation, coincidentally, the incident with Pausanias (a former member of Philip II’s personal bodyguards who had been disgraced by being raped during an argument with another general, Attalus, and resulted in Philip II failing to punish Attalus for his crime) was escalating and it’s said that Olympias had a personal hand in Philip II’s assassination by Pausanias, supposedly providing horses for Pausanias to escape on.
As Alexander took the throne and launched his conquest, Olympias was the queen-regent de facto of Macedon in his absence along with Antipater, and was very well disliked, to the point where Antipater sent a very long letter full of complaints to Alexander (to which Alexander, despite his cordial but souring relationship with his mother, remarked “One tear from my mother would cancel a thousand letters like that”).
During the Wars of the Diadochi after Alexander the Great’s death, Olympias attempted to continue her control of Macedon, but the general Cassander captured her after several campaigns. She was to be executed, but he called forth all of the families of those whom she had killed and Olympias was stoned to death in public and left to rot, being ordered to not have a funeral.
So where to even go from here….
It is apparently that in Fate’s rendition of Olympias that she is very power-hungry and cunning, willing to do anything to ensure Alexander’s success and her control over Macedonia. Fate!Iskandar even has his natural enemy denoted as his mother, Olympias.
To have a life that is so hell-bent on being successful that failure is not an option is torment. To have somebody actively killing your other family members in order to cement your success will no doubt have an effect on how you grow up.
In the Alexander Romance, Olympias’ behind-the-scenes actions are still present, as her snake-worship is romanticized to that of a coupling with an Egyptian Magus-King Nectanebo under the guise of her conceiving a child with the Libyan god Ammon (rather than Philip II), and Alexander’s complicated family drama is still present, with Alexander killing Nectanebo and Nectanebo confessing that he is his biological father as he dies.
Basically …………… No matter where you go ……….. Alexander’s family is fucked up. Both Philip II and Olympias share the blame. I will write later about how there was no way for Alexander to live a normal human life later but I need to express how politically charged all of the family drama was and how much like murder and humiliation was surrounding so much of it from the start.
I’m sorry for jumping in, especially since this post is almost two years old, but I am extremely tired of the villanization that Olympias has faced and continues to face.
First and foremost, we don’t know what Arrhidaios suffered from or how severe his condition was, other than that it manifested itself when he was a toddler.
Second, it was widely believed in antiquity that the father’s seed determined and formed the nature of his children. Surely they couldn’t blame Philip II for having a “weak” seed, right? He was most likely (certainly) embarrassed by his son Arrhidaios, which could explain the accusations that Olympias poisoned him. After all, only such a rumour could have debunked the accusation that Philip II had a “weak” seed.
Finally, Plutarch suggests that Olympias poisoned Arrhidaios. And we know Plutarch hated Olympias.
All of this to say that maybe we shouldn’t fall prey to the misogynistic Greek male narrative about women.
I mean. Olympias was stoned to death by the families of people she had executed in her life. In public. I think of all the Greek women in politics that ever existed, she certainly wasn’t the nicest, most ethical, most enjoyed ruler. The crux of handling Olympias’ reign while not being sexist is acknowledging that the men of that time were all also doing the same thing. That does not make it any less insane what Olympias did. I even clarify in this post that in Fate’s rendition that Olympias is even more power hungry and cruel compared to the IRL version. I also explicitly said “Allegedly” when I discussed the poisoning of Arridaeus, this acknowledges that it’s not something concretely known as historical fact but is relevant because we are discussing Olympias’ and how Iskandar’s family life has been up until then. It’s a relevant idea.
I understand what your concerns are, but the issue is that beyond the Arridaeus-poisoning speculation, Olympias was known to poison and execute tons of people for the sake of political maneuvering, was known to be manipulative, etc. This is not… like, absolutely the recantations by male scholars that call her a witch and a woman motivated by jealousy and etc. etc. attributing it uniquely to her femininity, that’s sexist and stupid, I agree. But Olympias was not a Just Ruler in history nor was she known for kindness and fairness and she also wasn’t known for Not being power hungry. This isn’t any different from any other male ruler of that time so it’s good to acknowledge that, but the fact is, in the context of Alexander, in the context of how he grew up and what environment he grew up in, and the shaping of the beginning of his reign as well as the events that happened during the War of the Diadochi after his death, it is frankly impossible to not mention Olympias’ actions and their effects on the world back then. Like it just doesn’t. Make any sense to say “she was just being a woman in a complicated political situation” and call it a day, there were actions that she actively took that made things Worse.
Thank you for the extensive response, I really appreciate it! /gen
First and foremost, I want to say that I do not condone Olympias' actions, nor do I deny that she was ambitious and ruthless. I completely condemn her wrongdoings, and I hope that is clear. Don't worry, you didn't sound rude at all. I understand how difficult it is to convey tone through text (it's a pain, to be honest).
We don't know how Olympias was executed. Elizabeth Carney (who is considered to be THE Olympias specialist) states that it was one possibility.
I highly recommend that you read some of Jeanne Reames' responses to some "asks" regarding Olympias (https://jeanne reames.tumblr.com/tagged/Olympias) and "Olympias: Mother of Alexander the Great" by Elizabeth Carney (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293223551_Olympias_Mother_of_Alexander_the_Great; as I said, she is THE Olympias specialist)
Olympias’ relevance to Fate and Iskandar and Faker’s stories part 1
Both Alexander and Faker were raised by Olympias, and that’s why they are the kinds of people that they are, and why they lived the lives they had to live. Although Faker never met him when he was young, she was raised with the intent to protect him and to be devoted to him her entire life. That was her sole purpose as given to her by Olympias. So to understand both of those characters… you have to understand the environment that living with Olympias was. The deeply entrenched familial drama of Alexander the Great.
Where to even start with Olympias…
I’ll skip talking about the massive amount of mystery/mysticism surrounding Alexander that there’s no way he could’ve escaped for now. But to sum up: the amount of mysticism surrounding his entire life was so deeply entrenched that there was fundamentally no way he could have lived his life with human expectations or treatment. From the time of his conception to even now, he was considered a sort of demigod.
So let’s talk about Olympias and the conspiracies surrounding her and her general type of personality for a moment.
Olympias was a princess before she married Philip II. She was the eldest daughter of Neoptolemus I of Epirus. Her marriage to Philip II was largely political, but it’s said that Philip II was in love with her when he met her on an island where the two of them were engaging in the rites of the Mysteries of Cabeiri, two cthonic deities related to Hephaestus.
Olympias had two children with Philip II – Alexander III and Cleopatra. However, Philip II had a child from a previous marriage, a son named Philip III Arridaeus. Alexander was fond of Arridaeus, his half-brother. To cement Alexander’s position as the only rightful heir to the throne, as he was prophecied to be, Olympias allegedly poisoned Arridaeus at one point and left him intellectually disabled and unfit to rule. This did not diminish the relationship between Alexander and Arridaeus, as he was still fond of his brother despite Olympias’ actions, and took him along on his campaigns to protect him from being used as a political tool and to keep him safe.
Philip II took another wife referred to as Cleopatra-Eurydice. Eurydice was the niece of the general Attalus. Eurydice and Philip II had a daughter (and possibly a son), and Olympias grew fearful that her power would be threatened. Olympias was not well-liked. She was known to be a member of the orgiastic Cult of Dionysus who introduced snake-worship into the rites, and was known to sleep with snakes in her bed.
Many people were assuming that with Philip II’s new marriage to Eurydice that he would have a new, proper heir to the kingdom of Macedon, which infuriated Alexander as well, to the point of one episode at the new marriage’s wedding banquet, during which Attalus openly begged the gods for a lawful successor to the throne which so aggravated Alexander that he threw his cup at Attalus’ head and yelled “What am I then, a bastard?”. Philip II rose up to go and kill Alexander but was so drunk that he tripped and fell, prompting Alexander to reply “See there, the man who makes preparations to pass out of Europe into Asia, overturned in passing from one seat to another.”
After this, Alexander and Olympias went into voluntary exile (but an exile nonetheless, not permitted to return). After six months, a family friend helped mediate the situation and allowed both Alexander and Olympias to return home. But Olympias was still not well-received, and Alexander as the proper heir was still not guaranteed. As a Persian satrap offered his daughter to marry Arridaeus, Olympias and several of Alexander’s friends believed that this was a move intended to make Arridaeus the heir to the throne. Alexander sent a messenger named Thessalus to protest and say that the daughter should be married to a proper heir, like Alexander… and when Philip II found out about this, he grew angry, 1) saying Alexander deserves better (!?!) 2) exiling four of Alexander’s friends and having Thessalus brought back in chains.
In this same year Philip II had his and Olympias’ daughter Cleopatra married to Olympias’ brother Alexander I of Epirus to ally himself. As the situation mounted against Olympias and lead to her isolation, coincidentally, the incident with Pausanias (a former member of Philip II’s personal bodyguards who had been disgraced by being raped during an argument with another general, Attalus, and resulted in Philip II failing to punish Attalus for his crime) was escalating and it’s said that Olympias had a personal hand in Philip II’s assassination by Pausanias, supposedly providing horses for Pausanias to escape on.
As Alexander took the throne and launched his conquest, Olympias was the queen-regent de facto of Macedon in his absence along with Antipater, and was very well disliked, to the point where Antipater sent a very long letter full of complaints to Alexander (to which Alexander, despite his cordial but souring relationship with his mother, remarked “One tear from my mother would cancel a thousand letters like that”).
During the Wars of the Diadochi after Alexander the Great’s death, Olympias attempted to continue her control of Macedon, but the general Cassander captured her after several campaigns. She was to be executed, but he called forth all of the families of those whom she had killed and Olympias was stoned to death in public and left to rot, being ordered to not have a funeral.
So where to even go from here….
It is apparently that in Fate’s rendition of Olympias that she is very power-hungry and cunning, willing to do anything to ensure Alexander’s success and her control over Macedonia. Fate!Iskandar even has his natural enemy denoted as his mother, Olympias.
To have a life that is so hell-bent on being successful that failure is not an option is torment. To have somebody actively killing your other family members in order to cement your success will no doubt have an effect on how you grow up.
In the Alexander Romance, Olympias’ behind-the-scenes actions are still present, as her snake-worship is romanticized to that of a coupling with an Egyptian Magus-King Nectanebo under the guise of her conceiving a child with the Libyan god Ammon (rather than Philip II), and Alexander’s complicated family drama is still present, with Alexander killing Nectanebo and Nectanebo confessing that he is his biological father as he dies.
Basically …………… No matter where you go ……….. Alexander’s family is fucked up. Both Philip II and Olympias share the blame. I will write later about how there was no way for Alexander to live a normal human life later but I need to express how politically charged all of the family drama was and how much like murder and humiliation was surrounding so much of it from the start.
I'm sorry for jumping in, especially since this post is almost two years old, but I am extremely tired of the villanization that Olympias has faced and continues to face.
First and foremost, we don't know what Arrhidaios suffered from or how severe his condition was, other than that it manifested itself when he was a toddler.
Second, it was widely believed in antiquity that the father's seed determined and formed the nature of his children. Surely they couldn't blame Philip II for having a "weak" seed, right? He was most likely (certainly) embarrassed by his son Arrhidaios, which could explain the accusations that Olympias poisoned him. After all, only such a rumour could have debunked the accusation that Philip II had a "weak" seed.
Finally, Plutarch suggests that Olympias poisoned Arrhidaios. And we know Plutarch hated Olympias.
All of this to say that maybe we shouldn't fall prey to the misogynistic Greek male narrative about women.
Merry Christmas to those who celebrate, and Happy Holidays! Here are my gijinka of Harmony and Spat from the Hamtaro series :3c
I've finally finished this sketch I started back in August! Little reference of Alexander the Great and my sona (Tina; they/them ONLY). I'm working on a cute story about them :3c
Had a dream in which i claimed all the Tokyo Mew Mew are lesbian and/or sapphic, so here's Sapphic Mew Ichigo! flamingo-sama is my alt username!
Mustetober (at least, a failed attempt) with the muse Calliope/Kalliope!
The Barbie trend, but it's my MHA villain OCs, Ercolano and Pompeii!
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I haven't posted in a while but here I am with a drawing of my bnha oc, Akeldamà, with a chibi version of Tenya Iida! Today's my OC birthday and I had to draw something cute!
Drawing of my oc Ginevra! They are supposed to be one of my main characters along with three other babs (I'll draw them soon, that's a promise!)
Gift for one of my besties (Flamingo-sama on dA and Instagram, go check them out)! This character has a really cute design and I loved drawing her <3
Happy Holidays! I am not a very festive person, but I wanted to give it a try and draw something cute to celebrate. So, I drew Puglia as San Nicola and Alto Adige (on their left) and Trentino (on their right) as two Krampus.
Chibi of my herosona, Akeldama Blood! They love apples uwu