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I am writing a new series of Oikawa as a villain fanfic over here & on wattpad.
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Antis in my main fandom will call you a nazi if you ship two fictional adults then turn around and defend the CCP. Which is currently engaged in atrocities against real people like the Uyghur genocide, mass human trafficking and murdering people for their organs, plus the other shit theyve done like Tiananmen, the colonizing of Tibet, the oppression of Hong Kong, their hatred of Black and LGBT people… Considering all of that it looks awfullly like projection when antis call other people nazis.
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Absolutely wild to read through mdzs and tally the sheer amount of lies the cultuvation world tell about and around Wei Wuxian that eventually get debunked:
Wwx purposely and maliciously ordered Wen Ning to kill Jiang Yanli and Jin Zixuan. Jin Zixuan died for siding with his cousin in an ambush his cousin created to kill wwx, an invited Jin guest. Jiang Yanli died protecting wwx from a cultivator stabbing him in the back, after Wen Ning was supposedly already destroyed.
Wwx attacked the Nightless City banquet for no reason, killing between 3,000-5,000 cultivators. The major clans and many smaller clans were gathered at Nightless City specifically to go back on their word to the Wen siblings to leave the Burial Mounds settlement, and to pledge to kill wwx. There weren’t even 3,000 present at the whole pledge, and wwx didn’t kill nearly all of them since a good portion of them show up to the second siege 13 years later.
Wwx ordered Wen Ning to attack the cultivators at Koi Tower, and his and Wen Qing’s surrender was a ruse to allow them close access to the clans to do so. Wwx was immobilized for three days, and otherwise does not control Wen Ning like a toy. Edit: the Jin purposely agitated Wen Ning to violence, then ensured that a majority of the cultivators in the room killed were from other clans to secure their support of the pledge conference.
Wwx had a great life at Lotus Pier, treated like he was part of the Jiang main family, only to betray them in the end. Wwx was whipped so gratuitously that he had scars as a child despite having a high-level golden core. Nobody bothered to tell him about his parents, despite Jiang Fengmian supposedly being close to at least his father before Wei Changze left the service of the clan. He was given no tablets to honor them in death, no keepsakes. Still, wwx fulfilled both of the Jiang rulers’ final wish/order to protect their son (above his own life), and wwx’s connections are why either were able to get a proper burial (unlike wwx’s own parents).
Wwx was committing evil acts and took on the Wen remnants as followers/test subjects for his dark arts. All demonic cultivators can be linked to his followers. Wwx rescued the Wen Remnants from labor camps set up, again, against the word of the cultivation world, and lived secluded in the Burial Mounds and Yiling until basically his death. The only “demonic cultivators” we see are Jin disciples who are given wwx’s notes after his death to study in an attempt to recreate his methods and secure the Jin’s power over the other great sects. Nobody cares that the Jin are doing this, even as they use other clans as test subjects.
Wwx created Wen Ning to be a weapon. Wwx resurrected Wen Ning on the request of his sister after the labor camp guards murdered him. The Jin, after lying about his destruction, try to turn him into a weapon and fail.
Wwx was killed by Jiang Cheng in a fitting moment of justice for the crimes committed against the Jiang. While Jiang Cheng’s part in the first siege was integral, he did not kill wwx. The Jiang have committed more crimes against wwx than anyone, and owe their entire continued existence to wwx.
Wwx turned to demonic cultivation because he was greedy for power. Wwx created the ghost path as his only means of surviving the Burial Mounds without a golden core. He sought no power and blatantly called out those who did (the Jin), only to be ignored because of his status. In turn, he defects from his sect and exiles himself to the Burial Mounds (with the Wen remnants), to which the sects continue to pursue him in a bid to kill the “servant” who won’t bow to them and to steal his power for themselves.
Wwx’s cultivation corrupts people, both in mentality and their health, which is why he became evil. Wwx’s cultivation path is shown to do no such thing, and nobody has precedence for saying this, as wwx’s cultivation is entirely new. On the other hand, the Nie saber technique is known to corrupt body and mind of the Nie who practice is, resulting in horrifyingly violent deaths by qi deviation, and yet no one shows care or concern about that being a problem for the whole cultivation world to have to deal with.
Wwx was ugly. Do I need to debunk this? 😭
And some ones tangentially related to him, but having to do more with the cultivation world lying to make themselves seem better than they were:
The first Burial Mounds siege was a deadly undertaking, but ultimately worth it to stop the Yiling Patriarch’s reign of terror. The siege was hundreds of trained cultivators against around 50 sickly people and a child with no tools to fight back. The only person who could fight back did not. It was the very definition of a massacre.
The participants of the first siege burned all the corpses on the Burial Mounds to release their resentment. The participants of the first siege threw the Wen remnants’ corpses into the blood pool to desecrate them, thereby imbibing them with even more resentment.
Disciples (or anyone connected to her) of Baoshan Sanren who leave her mountain are destined to meet bad ends as they are corrupted by the world. The cultivation world allows righteous people to die and their reputations to be tarnished in order to maintain their facade of “righteousness” while leaning into corruption and constant power grabs. It is often directly the fault of the cultivation world that these individuals are killed in the first place.
Funnily enough these are the same lies fanon and fics tend to spread bec they dont like wwx
And this is why like 90% of the content created by the general english-speaking fandom is trash
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Jiang’s bloodline probably ended up with Jiang Cheng, even if Jin Ling had Jiang blood, he is a Jin. Is satisfying to me Jiang Cheng probably ended alone with hatred and probably only Jin Ling in his side.
Jiang Cheng made a lot of bad actions, and even if we doesn’t had more of him in the pos canon, the fact that every matchmaker blacklisted him is a end line to me. He died drowned on his own choices and actions.
Now, a long analysis about this, just because I can, I want to and I have the time to do so.
What I find more interesting is that Yu Ziyuan, even being and bitter, hateful and insufferable as she was, wasn’t blacklisted by the matchmakers and married a sect leader.
Jiang Cheng has the same personality as his mother, but he is a man (what, historicaly, makes that kind of behaviour more acceptable than if it was coming from a woman), a sect leader himself (what makes his social standing above his mother’s), and he ranked fifth on the list of eligible young masters, so the fact that he somehow still managed to get blacklisted by every female cultivator is really impressive.
Some leaders from minor sects, or even village leaders, possibly had daughters and could’ve married them off to Yunmeng Jiang. They even could’ve arranged the marriage without the daughter wanting it, because it was pretty common at the time MDZS is set. Qin Su’s parents, for exemple, could’ve married her with Jiang Cheng. They were almost the same age, she apparently fit the ridiculous list of things he wants in a wife, and marrying her with him would’ve brought an advantage to their sect, since Yunmeng Jiang is a great sect while Laoling Qin is only a minor sect. Common people married for love, the gentry married for political advantage and political alliances. Jiang Yanli and Jin Zixuan falling in love with each other was a one in a hundred situation.
That kind of alliance didn’t necessarily had to be made by marrying a daughter with Jiang Cheng. They could’ve chose a niece, grand-niece or even another female cultivator from their sect. It would still form an advatageous alliance for them. So the fact that no sect leader was willing to marry a relative with him or even send a woman from their sect who wasn’t even related by blood with them to marry him????? Dude, I can’t even stress enough what a big of a red flag it is.
Jiang Cheng is leader of a great sect who we know wanted to marry (as said, he had a damn list of traits he wanted in a wife) and who, after his mourning period for Jiang Yanli was over, didn’t have much to do in his life outside of leading his sect and the occasional night-hunt (friendly reminder: Jin Ling is a Jin, Madam Jin was still alive for some years after his parents died, therefore there is 99,999% of chance that she was the one who raised Jin Ling until she died and then the task was handled to Qin Su, who had already married Jin Guangyao by then, so it’s highly unlikely that Jiang Cheng had any hand on his raising outside of occasional visits). Nie Huaisang was way too occupied with his revange to bother with searching for a wife (and let’s be honest, other sect leaders probably didn’t find that much of an advantage having him as a son-in-law, since he was seen as weak, and they probably were surprised he had not made the Qinghe Nie sect face it’s end yet and thought it was just a matter of time for him to lose all of his political power); Nie Mingjue was kinda busy with the war to go looking for a wife and died not long after that; Lan Wangji didn’t get over Wei Wuxian’s death and way probably would die refusing to live in a loveless marriage thanks to the trauma his own parents’ marriage caused him, and likely would also refuse to put a woman through a marriage in which she would have to compete for her husband’s love with the memory of a dead man; Lan Xichen was also busy with the war, then busy with taking care of his broken-hearted and severely injuried young brother who was grieving, clearly depressed and self-harming, all of that while also leading a sect, and then his sworn brother died - so yeah, man was kinda busy to go looking for a wife before shit went down the hill and he himself went into seclusion.
My point with the last paragraph is: from all the sect leaders and second young masters from the great sects, Jiang Cheng was technically the only one open for marriage for a long time, so he was supposed to be recieving marriage proposals from all the four sides of the Jianghu. He also wanted to marry. Even if he didn’t, he would have to. All the other leaders of the great sects have uncles, aunts, cousins or other relatives who are in the line of succession, so even if the current leaders and their brothers didn’t marry, it wouldn’t be such a huge deal, but the Jiangs don’t, because Wei Wuxian, Jiang Cheng and Jiang Yanli were the only survivours from when Lotus Pier got burn down. There is no one with Jiang blood to be the next Jiang sect leader, so Jiang Cheng have to get married and have an heir or Yunmeng Jiang will no longer be leaded by the Jiangs. He also doesn’t have the option of waiting to fall in love with someone who loves him too to scape having a marriage like his parents’ (let’s be honest again, that man probably loathes the idea of an arranged marriage thanks to the amazing [irony] experience of being raised by Jiang Fengmian and Yu Ziyuan) because of that very same fact: he needs to get married to have a legitimate heir, and, as a cultivator who goes night-hunting, he can end up getting killed by a monster, corpse or spirit during a night-hunt, so the sooner he gets married and has an heir, the less likely he is to die without one.
So, taken that Jiang Cheng, wants to get married, has to get married, didn’t have anything going on that would prevent him from getting married, a marriage with him would be a political advantage for his wife’s original sect, and finding a woman who fits his requirements wouldn’t be that hard in ancient China, not being married at 35-ish was totaly not his choice, as I’ve already seen some stans of his implying (as if being canon that he was blacklisted by women wasn’t enough proof of that). The most possible reason for this is that sect leaders were literally afraid of sending any female relative or even a woman from their sects to marry him.
To be honest, it wouldn’t be a surprise if fear was indeed the reason. He tortured innocent people, refused to send help if it was a minor problem and terrorized people so much that a lot of merchants left the surroundings of Lotus Pier, so he clearly wasn’t compassionate and kind, and had a temperament worst than his mother’s. All of that would for sure make one have second thoughts at trusting a man like that to take good care of his wife and make them fear for the well-being of the woman they would send to marry him. Not even the alliance and support the said marriage could bring would make worthy the possible risks. It would be more advantageous and safe either marrying their daughter to another minor sect or waiting for Lan Xichen or Lan Wangji announce one of them is searching for a wife and have their daughter (or another woman from their sect) marry one of the Lan brothers. Hell, even waiting to take their shot with Nie Huaisang would bring them more advantage (remember, they still think he is a poor thing who has no political skills).
So yeah, Jiang Cheng digged his own grave and is taking his sect down with him. His childshness, his lack of self-control, lack of self-awareness and lack of compassion made him go from being the fifith most eligible young master to being the sect leader no one wants to marry.
the idea that ‘come back to gusu with me’ and ‘i want to take someone back to the cloud recesses’ are thought of by lwj himself or meant to be conveyed to the reader as an expression of romantic feelings is one of the top ten most stupid fandom misconceptions
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‘come back to gusu with me’ was born from good intentions. lwj was worried about wwx, he thought he could help him & protect him by bringing him back to the cloud recesses. lwj presented this as a solution to (what he perceived to be) the problem of wwx’s cultivation method.
‘i want to take someone back to the cloud recesses, hide them there, but they are not willing’ is something else entirely.
this conversation with lxc follows on directly from the events of phoenix mountain, and lwj’s subsequent questioning of wwx about his behaviour in yunmeng.
phoenix mountain is important here for 3 reasons
lwj lost control of himself and took advantage of wwx being blindfolded to forcibly kiss him
wwx’s own behaviour on phoenix mountain (fighting jzx, the things he said afterwards) — what lwj considers a ‘loss of control’ due to his cultivation
the events of phoenix mountain show that public opinion is decidedly turning very much against wwx, compared to the widespread praise he received during the ssc.
their conversation in yunmeng is obviously relevant because lwj tells wwx ‘it is still best if you come to gusu with me’ and, more importantly, when wwx becomes irritated, lwj says, ‘I am the one who was out of line.’
from all these things together, it is clear that lwj recognises how dangerous wwx’s situation is becoming, causing him to reiterate that he thinks wwx should come to gusu (something wwx comments he hadn’t done for a long time). in admitting his own fault & that he is out of line to ask, it is clear that lwj is completely aware that forcibly taking wwx to gusu is completely wrong. however, lwj has also realised (from the kiss) that he is in fact completely liable to lose control over himself and violate wwx’s autonomy for the sake of his own desires.
this is why lwj’s conversation with lxc is a ‘confession’ but not of romantic feelings. it is a confession that he was not just contemplating, but had realised he was actually capable of, forcing wwx to bend to his own will.
i wouldn’t describe it as a straightforward statement either, lwj wasn’t presenting this as a solution, or expressing to lxc that he intended to go through with it. because lwj is fully aware that he absolutely should not do this, and he didn’t want to do this (or i guess, he both wanted & didn’t want to do this). lwj very rarely talks about his feelings openly, even with his brother, for this to be an idle statement would not be in his character. this is why it only makes sense to me as a confession that he had been contemplating doing something wrong.
and lwj was not saying this in order to make lxc aware of his feelings for wwx. i say this because i’ve seen many argue (predominantly from those more on the cql side of the fandom i think) that this is supposed to be a love confession. ???? it’s not, lwj doesn’t consider there to be anything romantic about his parents story, he doesn’t consider there to be anything romantic about taking wwx to gusu, forcibly or otherwise. i would argue he detests the whole idea of it.
my thoughts on this relate to some takes i’ve seen regarding how lwj’s internal conflict in wwx’s first life relates to his parents’ story. specifically this idea that lwj had to learn that loving someone cannot mean trying to control them, when in actuality this was never something lwj believed until he was tested by the fact that the only way he could see to protect someone he loves was by completely violating his consent. it’s an arc wherein lwj’s beliefs are tested and challenged but ultimately he retains his resolve, not one of him having to learn how to love someone correctly.
all this is critical to understand about lwj wrt to how he maintains the distance between him and wwx, and is exceedingly careful from there on not to push his boundaries or question his decisions, to the point that he takes wwx back to the bm after nightless city knowing that the only real outcome from this is his death. actually, i’d argue lwj already began to expect this in chapter 75 when he and wwx both came to the understanding that the path wwx was on was his only option (that chapter is titled ‘goodbye my love’).
Fyckkkkkkkkk 😭😭
i just think it's so wild that lan wangji and xue yang parallel each other over having lost their loved one in such a drastic way (both souls nearly disappearing) and the fact it wasn't until their beloved was gone that they realized or came to terms with just how they really felt for them. i'm not sure if lan wangji would let himself relate too much to xue yang but i do wonder if his "how fortunate..." could also be from seeing how xxc's death and xue yang's desperation for years and years to get him back could have happened to lwj too in a world where he let himself fall into the deep end of grief. how fortunate then that wei ying came back to him...
i also think it's interesting that yi city family and wangxian family both are made up of 1- a person who sticks to their ideals steadfastly but also feels guilt about their own 'failings' enough to sacrifice themselves over and over, 2- a person who never let anyone get close to them in an intimate way, but when they found that one person they would never give up on them, and 3- a child who lost their family and was forced to live in poor conditions to survive but then was taken in by person 1 and 2 and given a new family (and 4- a formerly close loved one of person 1 who they had a massive falling out with and is hated by person 2)
one didi’s pest is another didi’s precious
How hard do you think Lan WangJi prayed to all the gods and ancestors he knows that Wei WuXian never finds out that Lan WangJi basically married them in the ancestor cave?
Can you imagine them coming back, years in the future, to attend Lan Sizhui’s wedding and Wei Ying seeing Lan Sizhui wrap his headband around the hand of his lover and asking Lan Xichen, just by the by, “This is the marriage, eh, thing? But it has to happen in front of the whole clan, right? It needs to be witnessed by you people for it to be, you know, binding, right?” And Lan Xichen responding, in his usual calm and serene way, “Not at all, it can be a private thing. Why?”
Or, how Wei Ying realized he’s been married since his teens and never actually knew.
He blinks at Lan Xichen slowly. “But this is probably new, though, right? Like, this probably wasn’t the ceremony back, let’s say, some sixteen years ago, right?”
“No,” Lan Xichen tells him calmly. If Wei Wuxian wasn’t too busy dealing with his entire worldview collapsing in front of him, he might have noticed the amused curl of Lan Xichen’s lips. “It’s been a Lan Sect tradition for centuries.”
“And- And…every Lan Sect disciple knows about it?” Wei Wuxian asks, even though he already knows the answer. “And if…it was done by a Lan Sect disciple-”
“You can say Wangji,” Lan Xichen says kindly.
Wei Wuxian can feel his cheeks heat. “If… If Lan Zhan did that to someone…”
“You can say it was you,” Lan Xichen interjects again.
“If Lan Zhan did that to me,” Wei Wuxian says in a rush, “it means. It means what I think it means, right?”
Lan Xichen nods.
Wei Wuxian swallows. “So when- When Lan Zhan says that he’s loved me for a long time, he really means a long time, huh?” His chest feels full, too full. He wishes he had known earlier, wishes he hadn’t made Lan Wangji wait for him for so long. “Xiongzhang, I have to-”
Lan Xichen smiles at him, gentle. “I saw him headed towards the Library Pavilion.”
Wei Wuxian beams at him, and dashes off.
❤ IM SOFT
swooned (≧∇≦)O(≧▽≦)Oヾ(≧▽≦*)o
I'll leave this here
today all the love i have for you is pushing up against my skincells and today all the love i have for you is the same as for my childhood playground. is the same as light in the forest. is the same as freshly-washed sheets. i love you all the time but today it is beautifully in focus, something so wide and humble and satisfying - something so innate i cannot help but sing
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Lan Xichen, “What Wangji did—if you do not remember, I am afraid he would never tell you in this life, and you would never ask either. Fine, then. Let me be the one to say it.”
He continued, “Young Master Wei, in that night, you took the two halves of the Stygian Tiger Seal and pieced them together. After you were satisfied with the killing, you were a spent arrow as well. Wangji was injured on your rampage. He was in no better shape than you, barely supporting himself by leaning on Bichen. In spite of this, as he saw you stumble away, he immediately followed.
“Right then, not many people were still conscious. I, too, was almost unable to move, and I could only watch as Wangji, whose spiritual powers were clearly about to be drained, staggered towards you. He brought you onto Bichen as soon as he grabbed you, and you two left.
“Four hours later, my spiritual powers, having finally been restored, I hurried back to the Gusu Lan Sect in search for assistance. I was worried that if those from another sect found you first, Wangji would be considered your accomplice. The best scenario was his name being forever tainted, and the worst his life being taken away right then. Thus, along with Uncle, we chose thirty-three seniors who had always thought highly of Wangji and searched for two days on our swords in secrecy. Only then did we find signs of you two within the Yiling region. Wangji hid you in a cave. When we arrived, you sat blankly on a rock within the cave. Holding your hand, Wangji was giving you spiritual energy. He kept on whispering to you.
“But throughout the whole time, you repeated the same two words at him.
“‘Get lost’!”
蓝曦臣道:“忘机他做了什么,若你自己不记得,我怕他永生永世也不会主动告诉你,你也不会去问。那好,便让我来说。”
他道:“魏公子,当年那一晚,你祭出两半阴虎符,合并为一只,杀够了性之后,却也已是强弩之末。忘机被你发狂时所伤,情况比你好不了多少,也是勉力支撑,靠着避尘才能勉强站稳。饶是如此,他一见你摇摇晃晃地离开,又立即跟上。
“当时在场已没有多少人还能清醒,我也几乎动弹不得,只能眼睁睁看着灵力分明快耗至枯竭的忘机一拐一瘸地追上你,把你抓起来就带上避尘,一齐御剑离去。
“两个时辰之后,我才恢复灵力,赶回姑苏蓝氏寻求支援。我担心若被其他家族的人先追到你们,忘机会被当做是你的同伙,轻则留下终身污点名声大损,重则被不由分说格杀勿论,便和叔父一起点了三十三位往日对忘机赏识有加的前辈,秘密御剑搜寻了两日,这才在夷陵境内找到你们的踪迹。忘机把你藏在一个山洞里。我们到的时候,你呆呆地坐在洞内的一块石头上,忘机握着你的手,正在给你输送灵力,一直在低声对你说话。
“而自始至终,你对他重复的都是同一个字。
“‘滚’!”
Chapter 99: Hatred Part 2 第99章:恨生2
Translations from exiledrebelscanlations
What what is this?????
How can this still break my heart. Ahhhhhhhhhh
Nie Huaisang's Master Plan
I've seen a few misunderstandings regarding Nie Huaisang's role in uncovering the murder of his brother, Nie Mingjue.
I wanted to go through a brief summary his entire master plan, that he carefully thought out, chronologically, since he deserves a LOT more credit than he's given.
~~The events follow the novel story-line solely!~~
Under the cut of course, because it's quite long~!
2021-02-27 Some things I want to say
WARNING LONG POST
Context first, translation of his post above will follow:
Disclaimer: I have no interest in other artists other than Xiao Zhan, and I am merely explaining the situation of the fandom in China that led us to the fiasco in March 2020. I do not care for bjyx, I ship WangXian but I do not ship real people as a basic principle.
My opinion as an international fan of Xiao Zhan and as an AO3 user (yes, I am not Chinese nor do I live in China, I just happen to be able to read Chinese) is that C-entertainment industry is TOXIC and celebrities are not free targets for you to cyberbully. They are human just like you and me.
Everyone needs to learn a bit more about compassion.
I am sure all of you read about the cyberbullying Xiao Zhan went through last year. There were multiple factors that started all of this, most of which XZ doesn’t talk about in this letter because of how sensitive the topic is in China. I’ve never explained entirely what happened because I personally thought that this is not something overseas fans should worry too much about. Especially since most of you don’t have a wb or db account, there’s nothing you can do about it anyway. But since Xiao Zhan himself decided to post a letter to respond to this subject, I’ll put in my 2 cents just that so everyone is on the same page.
Basically, after The Untamed aired in China, the show fandom split into 3 groups. XZ fans, WYB fans, and CP fans (or bjyx, whatever you wish to call it, those who love shipping these two real people together - not just the characters in the drama). Of course there are still people who would watch the show without becoming a fan of the actors.
At the beginning, most people thought they were good friends with each other, with all the short BTS clips from The Untamed. However, fans slowly discovered that it wasn’t the case. Some unofficial BTS clips emerged where WYB said XZ was shooting multiple dramas at the same time = 轧戏 (which is very frowned upon and a disrespectful thing to say to an actor), whereas in reality, XZ only asked for a couple of days days off during the shooting for The Untamed because his scenes in Joy of Life had to be redone and he was bound by contract. On the contrary, WYB had to ask for most weekends off because he was participating in Produce 101 at the time. Other clips shows them fighting about somethings WYB said about WWX, which made XZ mad. So this broke a lot of CP fans’ image of their relationship, and they either stopped shipping/became XZ or WYB fans only. This angered WYB’s fans, of course, which made them blame XZ for the entire fiasco.
Other incidents continued to happen after the show which increased the friction between these 3 fan groups. XZ fans and WYB fans would fight about various voting charts, and fight with CP fans because they don’t like seeing the two actors together. In the meantime, CP fans continuously feminize and weaken XZ in order to ship the 2 actors together (it’s rather an unhealthy trend in China, I’ve been in multiple other western fandoms before - not real person shipping - but we rarely glorify weakening/feminizing the bottom of a ship, because of the underlying prejudice against real homosexuals, who are not synonymous to transgenders).
Some incidents added oil to the fire afterwards. It’ll take me too long to explain everything, so I’ll just put here the main ones to explain why there’s so much bad blood between these 3 groups of fans.
On XZ’s birthday, some CP fans found XZ’s parents’ apartment building and yelled BJYX is real. This angered a lot of XZ fans, because of how disrespectful it was towards the old couple and the clear breach of privacy. WYB fans and some CP fans were also angry that XZ didn’t reply immediately to the birthday wish on wb that WYB sent at midnight (??? XZ was busy shooting a drama, can you blame him for not being on wb at midnight? Give the guy a break.)
In November 2019, WYB filed a lawsuit against some of XZ’s fans (instead against of his own haters!) for dissing him (although I’ve never seen any proof, and a few of those fans remain active on wb now, one of whom has even defended WYB’s portrayal of LWJ before…). This angered a lot of XZ fans and CP fans who didn’t understand how he could have done this to his “friend”, and further proved that their relationship wasn’t that fantastic to begin with. WYB fans felt justified in hating XZ and all XZ fans as a result, and openly bullied XZ fans on the grounds of the Nanking CQL Concert.
In January, The Untamed was named to Beijing Journal Drama award. CP fans and WYB fans were unhappy that XZ was named to the Best Male Lead category and WYB was named to the Best Male 2nd Lead. They attacked the award committee wb by spam commenting all their wb posts and the entire drama was pulled from the nomination afterward. XZ fans were especially angry that they started all this only for the nomination to be pulled out - because the only possibility was one Male Lead per drama, and anyone would agree that if chosen between WWX and LWJ, the character with the most scenes and importance in the story is WWX.
Yadda yadda yadda, fast forward to February 2020, it started with a fanfiction written by a CP fan that depicted XZ as a prostitute transgender woman and WYB as a highschool kid (UNDERAGE) = AKA very sensitive material in China. It was posted on AO3, but the author posted the link of said fic on wb and a lot of CP fans broadcasted it around, so much that XZ fans became aware of it. Due to how sensitive the material is and how badly it would taint XZ’s image for his future roles, some XZ fans started reporting the wb post that contained the link (NOT AO3) and the author’s wb page. This is common practice in fandom on wb, usually done to get the wb posts taken down. This caused panic in the CP fans crowd because they thought XZ fans were reporting AO3 and that they were gonna lose the website (which is impossible, because AO3′s servers are in Sweden and not subject to Chinese laws anyway).
Because of how sensitive AO3 was in China and how haters tried to pull in antigovernmental into their crowds, the subject quickly became too dangerous for XZ fans to get involved in. Official fan groups in China unanimously decided to ask all fans to stop participating in the online debate and stay within the fan group circle only.
Someone on AO3 made a commentary about this incident that you can find here. She dug up a lot of info on the companies feeding money to the trolls online, but as I am an overseas fan and cannot really verify her info, I will not comment on those statements.
Sometime in the middle of this fiasco, someone started spreading the notion that XZ fans hated fanfiction and were trying to report anything that goes against their image of their idol… And subsequently people who were not CP fans or XZ fans became aware of this problem when they couldn’t access AO3 suddenly because too much curious fans where trying to access it and they crashed the servers. However later on, people could access the website without any problems. I am not personally in China right now so I can’t verify these claims of the website being walled or not for real, but I know from various reliable sources that on March 1st it was only an overload of the server, and people could still access afterwards.
With this however, haters (which include previous CP fans, WYB fans, and other idol’s fans) attacked XZ for not telling his fans to stop reporting, for not saying anything. They attacked XZ’s endorsements and spammed hate speech on the products he was promoting. They would rate 1 star in all his dramas and songs on db, and then buy accounts to further rate 1 stars (yes that thing exists in China, everything can be bought in China, don’t ask me why.) The reason why I believe that all this wasn’t coincidental, is that barely the day after the fiasco started, someone posted on db the exact list of all his sponsorships, detailing exactly who to call to protest, what words to spam in the comment sections of various official brands’ wb accounts. This entire thing was too well planned to be just a normal fandom fight.
Whether it was other actors’ fans who organized this to cut down competition, we will probably never know for sure. The following year was laden with fake rumors, hate speech blasting from multiple directions. They attacked his personality, saying that his polite manners are just for show (when the reality is that he has always been a gentleman even when he wasn’t popular). They attacked XZ for faking donations to Wuhan, forcing him to show his donation certificate to prove himself. One of his friends couldn’t stand the cyberbullying anymore and revealed publicly that his grandfather recently passed away (the date on this drawing is 2020.03.03, he couldn’t post this last year).
His friend defending him from the cyberbullies, saying that he had plenty of reasons to stay silent. That his grandfather passed away recently and his family has been planning his funeral.
(Sources also said that his mother was hospitalized a few days afterwards. And that haters went to his mother’s hospital to harass her and her nurses)
Haters saying that XZ is using his grandfather’s death to excuse himself (??? is he not allowed to grieve like a normal person???)
Haters wishing that XZ becomes depressed from the cyberbullying and kills himself, wishing that he was dead, wishing that his fans were dead too. Photoshopping his picture into a funeral portrait to curse him
Haters admitting they are cyberbullying XZ, but rejoicing in the fact that they are so many so XZ can’t sue all of them. They have also reported his upcoming dramas for various reasons just so they cannot be aired.
The airplane incident I’ve already talked about here.
A picture antis made to diss on XZ fans: AO3 can be still accessed even if it’s walled, Lofter can be still access even if it’s taken down from the app store. Your gege’s picture are still accessible even if he died.
I’ve only posted here the tamest screenshots, there are far worst ones that I won’t be posting because the amount of vitriol give me nausea just looking at them.
In all this fiasco, antis gave him the tag of “idol who didn’t manage his fans well”. But Xiao Zhan never thought fans needed to be trained, he thought of them like normal people, and their love, something to be treasured and not used. But some people in China still blamed his fans for starting all this mess, and partly him and his studio for not being able to stop it.
Below is the translation for XZ’s letter, posted on the wb post above
Some Things I Want To Say
Today, I have something to say to everyone. I’ve thought of a lot of ways to do this, but in the end, I chose the simplest way to tell everyone about all my feelings and thoughts in the past year. These opinions, maybe they won’t be able to represent anything, nor won’t they be able to change anything, but I still wish to say this today.
On this day last year, the incident happened very quickly, as if a bomb exploded on my face - endless phone calls, never ending message notifications, everyone’s opinions and questions came in like a tsunami. I wanted to say something back then, but I didn’t know what exactly. I was apprehensive of making a statement, afraid that one wrong word, or one wrong sentence would be taken the wrong way and end up adding oil to the fire. This is why at that time, I chose not to say anything.
I never thought that the online fighting would grow bigger and bigger like an avalanche, getting larger crowds involved, and gradually leaving one person’s control. Even though afterwards I made repeated statements to make amends, it could not develop as I wished it to anymore.
This life filled with broken protests and tumultuous noise continued to this day. And I felt I was going through a very dark and never ending tunnel. Unrest, ruminations, turmoil… I have also asked myself what did I do wrong exactly, why did everything after that day became as if it were an uncontrollable vessel.
I spent a lot of time to digest, and then spent a lot of time to understand, understand everyone’s words and actions. Slowly, I started to understand what everyone was criticizing about me personally. The moment that I chose not to say anything, I lost that window of opportunity to reason with everyone. So I was wrong, from the very beginning.
At that time, I wasn’t yet able to clearly understand the entire incident, to understand everyone’s feelings, nor did I know what kind of responsibility I had to carry as a public figure. Thus, I missed that opportunity to communicate with everyone, and wasn’t able to withstand the responsibility of letting these antagonizing feelings grow. Now, I can clearly recognize that throughout this year, this criticism that everyone had against me of “Idol Who Lost Its Voice”, was correct. During this year I reflected upon this repeatedly, as a public figure, I have to not only improve myself within the boundaries of my profession, but also have to carry the social responsibility that comes with my influence. To influence those who like me, who follow me, towards the right worldviews within my capacity. Even though my studio and I have already expressed some opinions through wb and interviews, but scars that this incident that brought such antagonistic emotions between different circles are still difficult to heal.
No matter how late, my own problem has to be corrected. I would like to express my first comment: Xiao Zhan, would like to apologize for “losing voice” towards those who have been affected by this incident. This is my first responsibility towards the public, face the problem and admit my faults.
Also, I would like to use this opportunity to speak with my fans. This is my second responsibility. In one of my interviews last year, I have said, I do not really agree with “managing” my fans (some celebs in China have hired people to manage fan groups in order for them to behave in certain ways for their purposes. Antis tried to spread the false rumor that XZ also had those people and that they directed their fans to start this mess), because everyone is an individual. No matter my studio nor myself, we do not have the authority to “manage” them like some would manage workers in a company. Afterwards, I reflected many times, maybe I cannot use the word “manage” to define my relationship with my fans, but I do have the responsibility to “correctly influence, and actively advocate”. So today, I would like to tell my fans, everyone has the right to like or hate something, and it should be respected and allowed within their own space. Of course this right should be reasonable, should not hurt anyone else, and remain within the boundaries of the correct values and norms. I hope my fans and friends can understand that no matter which profession, no matter what age, one’s own preferences or actions should not cross the line for one’s professional ethics or disrespect basic principles.
(Here he is referring to reports of teachers using his name in class or asking children to say his name to cheer for him. This is a problem that occurred also with other celebrities in China, and for which he has already expressed himself previously.)
No matter online or in real life, everyone should be responsible for their own words. I also hope that we are not represented tags like “xx’s fans”, that we do not set this as the basis of where we stand on a topic nor do we let this determine what’s right or wrong. Everyone have their own hobbies and interest, respect everyone’s choice and freedom of speech. No matter whether they like me or hate me is their own right. Passion, this should be a source of strength to everyone, I do not wish for it to consume or hurt anyone. Perhaps I cannot change this kind of environment, but at least for you and me, today is a new start point.
At last, I would like to talk a bit about myself. Ever since I came into this field, until today, I have always been defined by some tags. But the reason why I originally stepped into this circle was my passion for performance and music. And this is why, I will keep working on becoming a better actor and singer. The sudden criticism of “having lost voice” made me realize that, other than what I have always focused on professionally, I have to also be able to carry the responsibility of a public figure and an idol. I was born in a normal family in Chong Qing, and have lived a normal life, like many other people, for more than twenty years. Today I will also use this opportunity to apologize for the words I have said before as a normal person (I’ve already talked about it here), for the people I have inadvertently hurt. As I work hard on studying to become a better person, I will try to become a better “public figure”, so that these two Xiao Zhan can blend in together, for a better self.
This past year, no matter big or small, I have to be responsible for the incidents that happened because of me. I can demand this for myself, but I have no right to force it on other people, so I can only hope that those who really like me can really listen to me: please be a bit more reasonable for things outside of personal preferences. Live a healthy life, put more time and energy onto one’s real life, and less on the senseless fighting behind fake IDs and unreliable online world. Only to become a better self.
(Here he’s referring to an online fight that an anti called 晨小晨 started. I’ve already explained a bit here. #微博管理员回应晨小晨事件# )
Sorry for any grammar errors, this post was really long to make and I didn’t proofread. I wasn’t sure if I wanted to translate the entire thing for overseas fans since you don’t understand the entire context, and because I wanted my wb records collection tag to be complete, I felt I had to… and I got carried away trying to explain everything. Tried to summarize it as much as I could.
As a fan of Xiao Zhan and also an AO3 user, I would still like to apologize for how this bullshi*t ended up disrupting respectful and peaceful users of AO3. The Untamed tag did not contain hate fics before all of this happened, it is unfortunate that a place where there used to be only love, ended up being tainted by antis and haters.
To the anonymous person who asked me a few months ago if I supported bjyx, this is my answer: You have the right to like whatever you want within your own corner, as long as it doesn’t bother anyone else and isn’t against basic principles. I ship WangXian as characters from a novel, but I have never liked RPS as a principle.
How??? Why??
Why is cyber bullying still a thing???