How to network/do informational interviews when youâre autistic
(First three posts on this topic:
not being scared about networking
how to find people to do it with
. Below: the actual nuts and bolts of what to do.)Â
This advice all really applies to anyone, but I feel like it is particularly apt for us autistic people because we love (and often rely upon) scripts. And on finding out beforehand how things will play out and what peopleâs mental pictures of them are, so that we know how to fit ourselves in.
So, you have people you want to network with. What do you do?
I started out with people I knew: my little sister, a friend of a friend, a college friend I hadnât seen in ages. I did talk to someone else over the phone too, I forget what our connection was. Even if someone isnât doing the kind of work you want, or at the kind of place you want, you can ask them to do this with you for practice!!
The script I got from Ramitâs class, for contacting total strangers that you have something in common with, was:
Hi Steve,
Greetings from a fellow UCLA alum! I was doing some research on Project Manager positions on LinkedIn, and I noticed youâre a Project Manager at Acme.
Iâm on a quest for my dream job and would love to ask you 3-5 questions about your experience at Acme. Would you be available for a quick chat over coffee this Thursday at 10am? Iâm also free any time Friday.
P.S. Iâm sure youâre busy, so if itâs easier for you, Iâd be happy to send my questions via email.
And you just replace âSteveâ and âAcmeâ and âProject Managerâ and âUCLA alumâ and âJohn Smithâ with the appropriate names. (And replace the two times with any times that work for you.)
But donât use that script with people you know! I would have thought it would work just as well with people I knew. In fact, it turned out that it made them uncomfortable to get something that formal. They acted like it was weird.
So, with people I knew at all, I started saying something totally informal like: âI have to ask for 5 informational interviews for this class Iâm taking.â As long as I had an explanation like that, people totally relaxed and were very excited about talking to me! (It was true at the time, but now I would probably vary it a little because the class is over. I will likely be committing to asking a certain number of people each week/month and then telling them something like,
Hey, I have been taking computer science classes and I really want to learn more about what itâs like [working at [company]/working as a developer]. Can I buy you coffee and ask you stuff? Iâm available evenings and weekends right now, I could do any time next Saturday if youâre around!
p.s. Iâm sure youâre busy, so we could also just do email if itâs easier for you!
Depending on how close I am to applying, I might also downplay my experience less and start with a sentence like âHey, I have been working on my [web developer/mobile app] portfolio andâ everything else is the same from there. Because I know I have a tendency to try to minimize what I can do, and that doesnât really serve me here!
(I used to say âand pick your brainsâ instead of âand ask you stuff,â but then my friend-of-a-friend wasnât familiar with the phrase and thought it sounded very creepy. So I scrapped it!)
What do you say once you have them?
First, you make the âwe just got hereâ small talk. This is generally along the lines of âHi, how are you, how is your day going, did you have any trouble finding the place, have you ever been here before, oh I love it they make the greatest pour-overs.â A lot of autistics and introverts loathe this stuff. I love it because itâs hilarious to me that allistic people have what is basically scripts too, and mostly, because itâs this subtext of âI like you! We are going to be friendly now!â and itâs so handy to be able to communicate that. (Iâm an autistic extrovert though!) And yes, you need to do a little bit of that small talk stuff even if you are meeting online or on the phone.
Ideally, if you are meeting over coffee/tea, you offer to buy them whatever. Just say âCan I get you anything?â or âWhat are you having?â and then go buy it for them. Or when you get up to the counter, say âLet me get this! Itâs the least I can do.â Get yourself something too, even if itâs the cheapest drink on the menu, because many people find it utterly awkward to eat in front of someone who is not eating.
Once you are seated, you can jump in with your first question. Start with something casual like, âSo, how do you like [working at [company]/doing [this kind of work]]?â For example: âSo, how do you like working at Intel?â Or âSo, how did you end up being a rocket scientist?â (replace with their actual company or job please!)
(If they jump in first and ask you something (like âSo, what got you interested in [company/job]?â) then too bad, you have to talk more :)Â But sometimes itâs nice that they got the conversation started for you!)
You can totally write your questions down and read from the page. Feel free to take notes. You can write down a blurb about why youâre doing this or what experience you have. You can write down how to do small talk. You can even write down the directions and how to order a drink, for all anyone cares. That is the beauty of informational interviewing!Â
I have a list of questions that I pick from depending on who Iâm talking to, and what Iâm talking to them about.Â
If youâre trying to figure out what jobs will work for you, it can really help to figure out what the potential problems you might face are, and then ask about that kind of stuff. For example, do you need a workplace or career that lets you work from home? One with unlimited sick time? (yes, that exists) One that lets you work a flexible schedule depending on how many spoons you have? One where you definitely do not need to interact with other humans? One where you get to interact with other humans a lot, but at predictable times? One where you can work part-time, but where you can eventually make an hourly rate that lets you live on those hours?
Once you know that kind of stuff, you can ask about it. This is a scenario where it might make sense to seek out other âspooniesâ to interview, instead of people in a specific career or company â unless you definitely know what you want to be doing, and are just trying to figure out what options it offers.
Other things you might want to ask people:
What made you choose this company? / How did you end up working here?
What do you love about what you do? What do you wish you could change about it?
I was also thinking about [these other companies/types of work]. Do you know anything about them? Whatâs your impression?
Most of the ads Iâve seen ask for at least [x] years of experience. I know I have the skills they need, but I only have [x amount of experience]. How important is that requirement, and how would you approach those jobs if you were applying with this much experience?
(You can also tweak the above question to ask about a specific type of knowledge or experience that you donât have. See below for another example. It is a little-known fact that most companies do not expect you to have the whole list of requirements. Yes, even though they call them REQUIREMENTS! Often theyâre happy to get someone who has 70%+ of the requirements they ask for.)Â
It seems like most [X] positions require you to have some experience with [skill â double-entry bookkeeping, gymnastics, C++, whatever]. Is that something I can learn on the job, or would I have to get more experience on my own first?
I have a lot of experience doing [type of work]. Itâs a different field, but it uses a lot of the same skills. Do you think that people would accept that experience for these positions?
Besides a great resume, what really makes someone stand out to the hiring manager?
Whatâs the hardest thing to find for this kind of position? For example, how would you finish this sentence: âMan, itâs really rare these days to find a [job title] who can really do (blank).â [Thatâs pretty much a direct quote from Ramit. If you have a specific skill in mind, you could give them an example instead: âFor example, it seems like itâs really hard to find admin assistants who are really great with computers. Is that true?â]
Can you tell me about your experience interviewing with [company]? [You can also ask more specific questions: How many rounds of interviews did they do? What kind of people did they have you talk to? Do you remember what kind of questions they asked you? Was there anything that surprised you? If I applied there, what do you think would make me stand out? If I had an interview next week, what kind of advice would you give me?]Â
On one hand, Iâm interested in pursuing X, but Iâm thinking it might make more sense to do Y first because of Z. What do you think? Or is there another option that Iâm missing? [For example: Iâm interested in learning Rails, but Iâm thinking it might make more sense to do Javascript first because itâs applicable everywhere. Or: Iâm interested in trying to get an office manager job, but I was thinking it might make more sense to go for an admin job and try to work my way up.]
Given everything weâve talked about, what other companies do you think I should be looking at?
Are there other people you think I should be talking to? Youâre definitely more plugged in than I am, so I would really appreciate any suggestions you have.
If you were in my shoes, what else would you be asking? [One person I talked to straight-up said, âIâd ask for a job!â]
Thank you so much for your time â it was incredibly helpful. I think my next steps are [A, B and C]. Do you think Iâm on the right track?
When youâre done: tell them âI guess thatâs everything I wanted to ask! Thank you so much, youâve been really helpful!â
Last step: in the next couple of days, email them again to thank them. For bonus points, send them an article or a cool blog post that you think theyâd be interested in based on what you guys talked about. The script for this is basically, âThank you again for meeting with me! I ran across this post about [whateverpants] that I thought you would like - check it out!â [and a link]