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Nope, nothing to see here. Just nazis doing nazi things and making their children as hateful and antisemetic as they are.
They are investigating a group that advocates white supremacist ideologies with the aim to make sure the children they teach “become wonderf
anyway in light of hbo's silly new series announcement today, i am going to leave these links here
a video breakdown of jk rowling's connections and support for fascist organisers and groups (and yes she uses money from her works to support them)
article breaking down antisemitism in harry potter works
up-to-date video on the history of jk rowling's anti-trans discrimination + her new bullshit podcast
British trans support organisations to support
20 Trans POC-Led, Grassroots Organizations To Support
pro-trans donation list
Here's an addition with some Jewish charities to donate to:
keshet (largest jewish lgbt non-profit)
keshet uk
jewish queer youth
world jewish relief
holocaust memorial day trust
foundation for jewish heritage
Hi there, since you said sending questions is ok, I saw on a post of yours (I am on mobile and don't have the link handy, but I can get it if needed) and I was just wondering why you brought up how the term is "antisemitism", not "anti-semitism", would you be willing to explain that distinction? Is it just a grammatical distinction? Very sorry if I'm missing something obvious, I just hadn't encountered that before.
Basically, the word "Antisemitismus" was first coined in 1879 by German antisemites as a more palatable alternative to "Judenhass", which means "Jew-hatred". At this point in time, scientific racism was really gaining traction, and "Antisemitismus" was coined to emphasize the fact that "Jew-hatred" wasn't just about religion, it was about "science" and "race". According to scientific races, there were three main races, white European, black African, and Asian. Jews were seen as racial 'mutts', in that they were seen as a 'mix' of African and Asian, which was seen as "unnatural" according to scientific racism.
"Antisemitism" in itself isn't the best term, because it was made to make Jew-hatred sound more "logical". However, since it's the widely used term, if you do use, you need to spell it right. It's one word because there's no "semites".
I've seen people claim that antisemitism isn't just about Jews, that it's about all SWANA people, claiming all SWANA people are "semites" and therefore Jews shouldn't "gatekeep" antisemitism. Which is of course wrong and there are not "semites", and if there were, only Jews would be "semites" because "antisemitism" only applies to Jews. To claim otherwise is to deny antisemitism and to deny Jews our voices.
That's why it's spelled "antisemitism" and not "anti-semitism". Because the original word was "antisemitism", and because there's no such thing as "semitism", and implying that there is is actively denying Jews.
Here is the 2015 IHRA statement on the matter:
Memo on Spelling of Antisemitism IHRA Committee on Antisemitism and Holocaust Denial April 2015
With this memo, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) would like to address the spelling of the term antisemitism, often rendered as ‘anti-Semitism’ and Microsoft’s auto-correct feature. IHRA’s concern is that the hyphenated spelling allows for the possibility of something called ‘Semitism’, which not only legitimizes a form of pseudo- scientific racial classification that was thoroughly discredited by association with Nazi ideology, but also divides the term, stripping it from its meaning of opposition and hatred toward Jews.
The philological term ‘Semitic’ referred to a family of languages originating in the Middle East whose descendant languages today are spoken by millions of people mostly across Western Asia and North Africa. Following this semantic logic, the conjunction of the prefix ‘anti’ with ‘Semitism’ indicates antisemitism as referring to all people who speak Semitic languages or to all those classified as ‘Semites’. The term has, however, since its inception referred to prejudice against Jews alone.
In the mid-nineteenth century, the derived construct ‘Semite’ provided a category to classify humans based on racialist pseudo-science. At the same time the neologism ‘antisemitism’, coined by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in 1879 to designate anti-Jewish campaigns, was spread through use by antiJewish political movements and the general public. The modern term gained popularity in Germany and Europe incorporating traditional Christian anti-Judaism, political, social and economic anti-Jewish manifestations that arose during the Enlightenment in Europe, and a pseudo-scientific racial theory that culminated in Nazi ideology in the twentieth century. Although the historically new word only came into common usage in the nineteenth century, the term antisemitism is today used to describe and analyze past and present forms of opposition or hatred towards Jews. In German, French, Spanish and many other languages, the term was never hyphenated.
The unhyphenated spelling is favored by many scholars and institutions in order to dispel the idea that there is an entity ‘Semitism’ which ‘anti-Semitism’ opposes. Antisemitism should be read as a unified term so that the meaning of the generic term for modern Jew-hatred is clear. At a time of increased violence and rhetoric aimed towards Jews, it is urgent that there is clarity and no room for confusion or obfuscation when dealing with antisemitism.
Given that most communication today is electronic, and that Microsoft is a giant in that field, the Committee on Antisemitism and Holocaust Denial is concerned that Microsoft's default spelling in English is ‘anti-Semitism’. Thus the Committee strongly recommends changing the default spelling of antisemitism so that it does not autocorrect to the hyphenated version of the word.
The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) is an intergovernmental body whose purpose is to place political and social leaders’ support behind the need for Holocaust education, remembrance and research both nationally and internationally. IHRA’s Committee on Antisemitism and Holocaust Denial was created to address the upsurge in antisemitism and Holocaust denial and trivialization. With this memo, IHRA expresses its concern over possible confusion of a clear understanding of the word ‘antisemitism’.
It was a "small" act.
But, at the time, she didn’t realize she was making a life-changing, and life-saving decision, not only for her but for hundreds of Polish Jews during the Second World War, helping save them from Nazi execution.
Only when she died last year, on April 8, 2022, at the age of 107 did the rest of the world learn of her courage.
She was born Carmen Koppel in Vienna, daughter of Frieda and Emil Koppel. Her father, an opera-loving grain merchant, chose her name after Bizet’s Carmen,” according to The Guardian, “She studied languages at the University of Vienna, taking shorthand to help with her note-taking.”
She said “My mother had insisted that I learn something useful, so I learnt to type.”
“In 1936 she married Josef Weitmann, who owned a curtain-making business in Kraków, and the couple settled there and had a son, Sascha.
“After the German occupation of Poland in 1939, the administration wanted to re-establish Kraków as Krakau, a German city. As Jews, [she] and her husband were forced to live in the Kraków ghetto, established by the Nazis in 1940. Its inhabitants were allowed to leave and return only with special permits. Josef was killed while trying to escape; Sascha was smuggled to relatives in Hungary.”
According to the New York Times, “in late 1944, as a slave laborer in the administrative offices of the Plaszow concentration camp in Poland, [she] typed an important version of the manifest of prisoners bound for [a] munitions factory in the area of the Czech Republic then known as the Sudetenland.”
“It was in those offices” that she also added her name and the names of two friends to the list, indicating her profession as “schreibkraft,” according to writer Alex Mindlin.
By typing that list, she almost certainly saved her own life, the lives of her friends, and many others, according to Mindlin.
That “list” “saved them from the gas chambers of Auschwitz, where most of the other Jews from Plaszow were deported,” according to The Teller Report.
Years later after the war, she would meet again the man who had made that list possible, the man who employed her.
She had a different last name by this time, but he still remembered her by her nickname. [She never liked the name “Carmen”, so close friends referred to her after a character in “La Bohème”.]
'It must have been around 1953,” she said. “I had gone to Vienna and I was walking along a street with an uncle. We were passing a coffee house where there was a group of people sitting. This large man ran across and hugged and started kissing me, saying: ‘Mimi, Mimi…’
“It was then that I realised that it was Schindler sitting with some of the Jews he had rescued.”
“The documents that [Mimi Reinhardt] worked on were made famous by Thomas Keneally’s 1982 novel . . . and by the 1993 Steven Spielberg movie ["Schindler's List"], both of which detailed the extraordinary lengths to which [Oskar] Schindler went to save the lives of some 1,200 of his Jewish workers,” according to the Times.
Other sources cite the number of lives saved even higher. According to AFP (Agence France-Presse) and The Times of Israel, “The lists which Reinhardt compiled for [Schindler] helped save the lives of some 1,300 Jews at considerable risk to his own life.”
“Austrian-born Reinhardt (sometimes spelled “Reinhard), herself a Jew, was recruited by Schindler himself and worked for him until 1945.”
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Reinhardt, then known as Carmen Koppel, “survived the final liquidation of the Kraków ghetto in March 1943, when 2,000 Jews were slaughtered, because the Nazis deemed her language and secretarial skills useful,” according to The Guardian.
At the time, the Red Army was approaching Poland and workers in Plaszow were being sent west to death camps,” according to The New York Times.
Reinhardt was a “prisoner at a concentration camp near Krakow, Poland during WWII in 1944,” according to the World Jewish Congress, when Schindler recruited her for a job in the camp's administrative office.
“Schindler and his Jewish accountant Itzhak Stern, who had helped to motivate Schindler, prepared the 'list' of essential workers - all of them Jews - for relocation to his new factory,' according to writer Peter Beaumont.
As Schindler’s secretary, Reinhardt “drew up the lists of Jewish workers in the Polish city of Krakow to work in the factory of her German industrialist boss”, according to writer Caroline Frost.
“This was a highly risky enterprise but is estimated to have saved . . . [the] workers from deportation and almost certain death in Nazi concentration camps.”
Reinhardt also “added the names of friends and her own married names until Schindler's quota negotiated with the SS was fulfilled: "Weitmann, Carmen, January 15, 1915, typist" is number 279 on the list.
“The rescue almost went awry” according to The Teller Report.
“On the way to Brünnlitz in 1944, the train carrying Schindler’s workers was diverted to Auschwitz,” according to The Guardian. “Death seemed inevitable. But Schindler used his military intelligence contacts to stop the diversion, claiming that these workers were vital for his armaments factory.”
“They had to stay in Auschwitz for two weeks,” according to The Teller Report.
“Mimi Reinhardt later compared the time to Dante's ‘Inferno’.”
“At the war’s end, [Schindler’s] workers were liberated, and Mimi was reunited with Sascha.”
Reinhardt “settled for a time in Morocco and then New York, where she lived for 50 years,” according to The Guardian. “She kept in touch with other ‘Schindler Jews’ whose lives had been saved by escaping the Plaszów camp under Schindler’s protection, but did not speak publicly about her earlier life until she moved to Israel in 2007.”
In Israel, she joined “her only son, Sacha Weitman, who was then a professor of sociology at Tel Aviv University,” according to The Times of Israel.
Schindler died in 1974, when he “was named by Israel’s Yad Vashem Holocaust museum as a member of the ‘Righteous Among the Nations’, an honour for non-Jews who tried to save Jews from Nazi extermination,’ according to Frost. “He is buried on the Mount of Olives just outside Jerusalem.”
The story of Reinhardt’s “small act” came to light when she was being interviewed by the Jewish Agency for Israel. (Note, “Reinhardt wasn’t directly portrayed in the Schindler’s List film,” according to News18.)
Reinhardt “expressed regret that Mr. Schindler, whom she adored, did not become a household name until after his death in 1974,” wrote Mindlin.
“He would have loved it, the attention,” she said.
She added in another interview, "I saw a man who was constantly risking his life for what he was doing. He was human. He must have had a heart of gold."
Reinhardt spent her last years at a nursing home north of Tel Aviv.
She is “mourned by her son and his family, as well as the thousands of people whose parents and grandparents she helped escape certain death,” according to the Jerusalem Post.
She has three granddaughters, nine great-grandchildren and two great-great-grandchildren.
In the image attached, Sasha Weitman, son of Mimi Reinhardt, holds an old photograph of his mother in Herzliya, Israel, (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit).
Of her contribution to history and assisting Schindler in saving hundreds of her fellow Jews, Reinhardt said, “I was just typing the list.”
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Factoids about Reinhard Heydrich:
-He had a brother, Heinz Heydrich, who realized Reinhard was a dick after his assassination and saved people.
-He was apparently insecure about his laugh. It was described as ‘goat like.’
-Apparently, he was popular with women.
-He was mostly feared or hated, even by other Nazis.
-The Gestapo interrogations he did see, didn’t get to him.
-He hung out with his men at bars in the red-light district in Berlin.
-He went to Kitty Salon sometimes.
-He went to brothels a lot.
Reinhard Heydrich was considered the architect of the Final Soultion. He was personally responsible for the murder of millions, even though he died before a lot of the plans were put into place.
A serial womanizer (allegedly, because no proof actually exists but there are a lot of stories), he set up Salon Kitty to try and get information from pillow talk.
Heydrich reportedly had a rather high pitched voice, especially for a large man. (Thus the laugh the OP mentioned).
@whitechoc135 I always wondered if his popularity with women was because of his rank and reputation or if women simply liked him for whatever reason.
Maybe status. Maybe they thought he was good looking for some reason.
Unrelated, but he was also responsible for the Einsatszengruppen (the mobile killing squads). He directed a campaign of arrests and executions against Polish Nationalists, Jews, members of Polish nobility and intellectuals.
@whitechoc135 yep. He was responsible for a LOT of people being murdered. He was also, in part, responsible for the Olympics in Berlin (1936?).
Status, money, looks? Not sure which. Or all. Himmler’s massage/physical therapist Felix Kersten wrote a book. In it, he said that Heydrich hated to be touched and would throw gold coins around the brothel to watch the women scramble for them. I sincerely doubt the accuracy of being touched since it was pretty well known that he was a womanizer.
I wouldn’t exactly trust Schellenberg, not just for the Nazi reason. I found a quote about Heydrich from him and he seemed to like Heydrich a lot.
@whitechoc135 Oh hell, I wouldn’t trust many people to tell the tales of their superiors. The dead can’t talk back, nor would I trust their spouses.
I struggled through Lina Heydrich’s (my German is only about a 5th grade level) book. There is a really good series on YouTube about Lina Heydrich, if you haven’t seen it.
This is the first of 3 videos.
Did you get anything much from the book (half of it has got to be either bias or lies)?
I saw an interview she was in on YouTube and she seemed to think what happened to the Czechs was fine and that Heydrich was doing the right thing. I swear there’s a trend between the main Nazis wives and I wonder why they were all so….loyal?
Maybe, it was partially a cultural thing as well as the idea that Nazis liked traditional wives (Goering kind of goes against this point, but still.)
Thanks for the source.
This is a really interesting conversation.
@whitechoc135 Not really, it was a lot of bias and shoving things under the rug.
Oh Göring first wife, Carin, was pretty traditional for hertimeand station. Emmy was completely different in a lot of ways. Goebbels wife wasn’t traditional tho either. There’s a book, Nazi Wives, that talks about the higher ups women. It’s interesting. I don’t know how good the source work is tho.
Thanks for the source.
Magda may not have been traditional, but she definitely had a twisted sense of loyalty. I mean while they were in the bunker, she killed her own children because she apparently didn’t want to live in a world without Hitler. Goebbles was involved, but I wonder if he added pressure. Speer mentioned in his first memoir that he did, but I don’t trust that man. God, those people are messed up.
Speer is a very interesting case! He was known as the only nazi to apologize. A lot of people thought it was a ploy to keep himself alive. If it was, he succeeded. His autobiography stuff is fairly interesting, tbh.
Magda was just……I have no words. Her stepfather (I think it was her stepfather) was Jewish. She had Jewish boyfriend when she was younger. And then BOOM..nazi.
Like wtf?
I didn’t know about that last part about Magda. Maybe Goebbles had something to do with it or it was social norms changing. The thought of Goebbles convincing her that anti semitism is good and not retarded bullshit feels on brand. I can picture it. Given their collective loyalty towards, I would think it was to do with his influence.
I’m pretty sure he was already anti-Semitic after his playwright attempts fell through. I don’t recall anything about his parents being antisemitic, just Catholics. Actually, there was an entry in his diary in which he felt neglected because his parents were against him not being catholic anymore. I remember that, but not the date it was written on. There’s a book and Gobbles diary itself and it references specific trends with examples. I think it’s just called the Goebbles diary. It’s really interesting.
In regards to Speer, it’s interesting because you kind of have to assume what’s true and not true. His distain for Martin Bormann was definitely interesting and his own criticism of his architectural seemed insincere. The way he characterised Goering was strangely entertaining to be honest. I don’t know how much of that exaggeration or just Goering bring over the top. The part about him thinking Himmler poisoned him seemed like bullshit, but the idea that Himmler had a stash of liquid positions kind of seems on brand with his occult stuff.
@whitechoc135
I think it had more to do with Hitler than Goebbels, if I remember correctly. She adored Hitler. There was some discourse about Magda and Hitler having an affair, but there was never any proof.
He was already antisemetic. It was fairly common to be antisemitic, unfortunately, especially after WWI.
A lot of people didn’t like Bormann it seemed. Granted you had to go through him to get to Hitler so?
As for Speer and Himmler, it wasn’t Himmler directly. Speer had hurt his knee and Himmler recommended Dr Karl Gebhardt. Gebhardt was the one that denied Heydrich sulfa or antibiotics (if they could have gotten antibiotics). Anyway, Speer got really ill and thus thought Himmler tried to have him poisoned.
The fact I remember this crap. LOL 😳
It would make sense that no one liked Bormann. He was apparently the one that held favour with Hitler most frequently and was quite sly. He was constantly fighting with the others, except for Heydrich (Heydrich needed to get through Bormann to become de facto dictator of Czechoslovakia. Also Hess got along with Heydrich or at least they weren’t fighting for power.
Bormann also slapped his child once for not calling Hitler ‘my Fuhrer’, instead of ‘the Fuhrer.’ He was basically the equivalent of that dude in a group project that does nothing and takes the credit.
Okay. I am sitting on my front porch this morning, drinking my coffee. That group project thing? Yeahhhhh there is coffee everywhere from laughing so hard.
Hess is an interesting character to say the least. Bormann is too, but I find Bormann’s wife even more so. In the book Nazi Wives, it stated that his wife wanted polyamory/polygamy. I have no idea how true that is, the sources seem somewhat lacking. The book also gets into the hatred between Marga Himmler and Lina Heydrich.
I think it’s also that book that one of the Bormann children was at Himmler’s mistress’, Hedwig Potthast, home and the child saw a chair built of human bones. Ick.
Wow. Ok. That sounds like the kind of shit Himmler would pull to be honest.
Why did Himmler’s wife hate Heydrich’s wife?
I’ve only heard that Himmler was being a cunt to his wife essentially, calling her fat, telling her to stay home, being embarrassed by her ect. Apparently Himmler was attracted to Lina. I don’t think Heydrich was aware of this, but If he did know he probably wouldn’t give a shit.
@whitechoc135
I’m not sure tbh. I’m sure I read it somewhere, but…
The only thing I remember is that Marga Himmler was a bossy type and Lina didn’t like that.
I think she really embarrassed him after he rose to power plus, she wasn’t exactly a pretty young thing.
I honestly don’t think Himmler was attracted to Lina. Lina was very outspoken and I can’t imagine that would go over well. As a matter of fact, I believe that is one of the reasons Heydrich didn’t take Lina with him to functions with the higher ups.
The wives seem to fall into two categories, either acceptable or unacceptable. Like Magda Goebbels frequented the Berghof, for example. Lina Heydrich and Marga Himmler did not. It was either Hess’ wife or Bormann’s that was kind of…cast out….of the popular kids, so to speak. I think it was Hess’, but not swearing to it.
It would make sense if it was Hess, given how he grew out of the circle over time, but who knows?
I’m going on a short tangent here, but it’s wild how hard Himmler committed to the aesthetic (assuming he has any role in how his men looked or the uniform.) Ceremonial swords, daggers, the fucking hats. He was apparently very strict about who he let in with his idea about them being very ‘racially pure’. His men had to be clean shaven, apparently strong. And his whole idea about the SS being the knights of the round table sort of thing. He was also very self righteous about the race shit. He’s been described as school masterly in one piece of media (Dorf in Holocaust by Gerard green) and a man he met (name isn’t coming to me now.) I know Dorf isn’t real, I just through Gerard green’s characterisation was interesting. All in all, a massive coward.
I think in a way, he shaped the Nazis beauty standards, even if pretty much all of the top Nazis didn’t fit it. (I guess Heydrich is the closest but, that would only be because of eye colour, hair colour.)
I just think the way he ran the SS showed how..strange he was.
@whitechoc135 If Heydrich stood there, in the black uniform, a pleasant look on his face? I think he might pass as the aryan ideal.
Himmler is just weird. Very weird. I can’t wrap my brain around him. I haven’t researched him as well as Heydrich.
Do you know what Gor/Gorean is? That is how Himmler thought, I swear. Which is even creepier.
Oh yah, I’m back! I MISSED YA!
To summarise, Himmler was a polite dude with awkward tendencies, very ambitious, interested in the occult and medieval shit. He was initially a pale, catholic who kind of snitched on his class mates in school to the principal, who was his father. He was sick, bad at athletics, but good at organisation and good at academics. Think a coward who gets power to use his drive and really strange ideology to do heinous shit.
COMPLETELY AGREE!! I think of him as toady.
*ribbit*
The team of Heydrich and Himmler was terrifying. They were so much alike as children, but how they were different as adults. It seems, to me, that in-person Heydrich acted subservient to Himmler, at least before he went to Prague. I do mean acted as in faked it. I don’t quite believe he respected Himmler.
All I’ll say is that I heard that Himmler was afraid of Heydrich which makes sense if it is true that Heydrich has files on everyone.
I’ve heard the same thing. Supposedly, he even had files on Hitler. Which wouldn’t surprise me in the least. I’ve never decided if Heydrich was brilliant or just so well organized he could solve anything by organization.
Stark contrast to Ernst Kaltenbrunner, I think. I read one of the books on Kaltenbrunner and how he was just…crap I can’t think of the word…come on coffee kick in.
Like during Nuremberg trials, he was very much just an emotional mess and tried to say he knew nothing. I often wonder how Heydrich and Himmler would have done. Himmler I think would have been extremely emotional and having breakdowns. Heydrich? No clue
I feel like Heydrich would have been very calm about it. Maybe a bit arrogant about it. Like I can get out of this.
I honestly think Himmler would have been quite calm about it and kind of awkward at the court room.
I dunno. Himmler, to me, was annoying.
I think you might be right about Heydrich. He would have treated it similar to treating the Navy court when he got kicked out of said Navy. Supposedly, it wasn’t the deed that got him kicked out but the arrogance and attitude.
I heard the same thing. He was acting ‘unlike a gentleman should.’ It was something along those lines
Just like any other regime, the rules don’t apply to those in high places. What got him tossed out of the Navy was praised in the top officials once the nazis took over.
There is a fiction book where Heydrich plays a heavy role but mostly in the background. It’s somewhat bizarre, but interesting. It’s based loosely on Ambassador Dobbs and his daughter Martha. It’s super messed up in many ways. I’m not at home, and can’t remember the name. It is available on kindle tho fairly inexpensive. You can see it tho. Like the description of how Heydrich was. When I get home, I will get the name.
I work in the mental health field. Which is another reason Heydrich is a fascinating. He could have become virtually anything. And he chose genocide and mass murder.
One thing I have always wondered was the general soldiers and low ranking officials was when the war was over. What did they teach their children? Arnold Schwarzenegger has spoken a little bit about it.
And then those of high rank or their widows, like Lina Heydrich, I am positive she kept with the nazi propaganda. What about the others? I know many of them were dead, so there were the widows raising them. And a lot of the kids that grew up in the 30s-40s defied their families.
Then you have Gudrun Himmler who was a hard-core nazi that defended her father til her death. Her cousin Carin(?) wrote a book about being a Himmler.
It’s another thing that fascinates me is the generational trauma. My father’s family were mostly murdered in nazi Germany, as they are German. Six people escaped. Six. That’s it. My mom’s was a little better off and either didnt get caught or got out, but that side of the family is Italian.
Well Hess’s child tried to get him out of prison (his name isn’t coming to me. ) Mangele’s grandson went to find him in Argentina and got a cold reception. If I recall, he became a priest or a paster, really turned his life around.
I can't remember if it was Mengele's son or grandson. But yeah. I know Martin Bormann Jr became a Catholic priest and then quit and married a nun (pretty sure she was a nun).
The Heydrich children and grandchildren pretty much refuse to talk about the family. Heider Heydrich wanted to raise funds to help renovate the -cough cough ahem- 'family home' in Prague but was met with much hate and resistance. There is a pic of him and what appears to be a grandson, just given the looks of the man. Again, it makes me wonder if the grandkids and great-grandkids follow the ideology.
There is also an interview I saw with Heider Heydrich saying that the 'girls' of the family were lucky, their surnames would change. His, his sons, grandsons, etc, would not.
Bagels arose as a distinct baked good as a direct result of antisemitism in Poland.
Passover has historically been a time of increased antisemitism.
Therefore, either bagels should be permitted as a "boiled" exception to the prohibition against consuming leavened bread during Passover, OR no one should get to have bagels during Passover.
It's only fair.
Monday 4/3, Sotah 5: The Judgment of Gehenna
Nice to see that even centuries ago, we knew that giving to charity, even secret giving to charity, didn’t absolve you of your actions when you hurt other people.
I keep thinking of the old proverb, “The first amendment protects you from the government not the Justin.”
Sotah continues to have the longest damn dafs I’ve seen in a minute. I wonder if this will continue the entire time. I feel like either someone was using extremely economical grammar or writing very small.
OK long ass post!!! Here’s the whole slideshow I made. The format for each of the characters is their canon characterization, how boomers interpret them, how mashblr interprets them (i.e. the correct way), and a little fun fact :) also our powerpoint night was on the 50th anniversary so that was very fun we all said happy birthday to mash :D
Heimish Humor
Same.
Sammy Davis, a proud Jew, was said to be the "greatest living entertainer in the world.”
Sammy often talked about a passage in the book “A History of the Jews,” by Abram L. Sachar, in which the author said:
“The Jews would not die. Three millennia of prophetic teaching had given them an unwavering spirit of resignation and had created in them a will to live which no disaster could crush."
Davis was a fierce Zionist.
Upon visiting the Jewish nation, tears flowed down his face as he said he could not "find words to express my satisfactions at being in Israel, the mother country of my spirit and my religion."
Afshine Emrani
Passover is coming up!
Happy Pesach, Chag Sameach, Happy Passover, Next Year in Jerusalem!
Jewish Pride Always
I am so ready for matzah pizza!!!!! Nom nom nom
Tumblr promoting propaganda for Big Chametz right before Pesach smh:
Factoids about Reinhard Heydrich:
-He had a brother, Heinz Heydrich, who realized Reinhard was a dick after his assassination and saved people.
-He was apparently insecure about his laugh. It was described as ‘goat like.’
-Apparently, he was popular with women.
-He was mostly feared or hated, even by other Nazis.
-The Gestapo interrogations he did see, didn’t get to him.
-He hung out with his men at bars in the red-light district in Berlin.
-He went to Kitty Salon sometimes.
-He went to brothels a lot.
Reinhard Heydrich was considered the architect of the Final Soultion. He was personally responsible for the murder of millions, even though he died before a lot of the plans were put into place.
A serial womanizer (allegedly, because no proof actually exists but there are a lot of stories), he set up Salon Kitty to try and get information from pillow talk.
Heydrich reportedly had a rather high pitched voice, especially for a large man. (Thus the laugh the OP mentioned).
@whitechoc135 I always wondered if his popularity with women was because of his rank and reputation or if women simply liked him for whatever reason.
Maybe status. Maybe they thought he was good looking for some reason.
Unrelated, but he was also responsible for the Einsatszengruppen (the mobile killing squads). He directed a campaign of arrests and executions against Polish Nationalists, Jews, members of Polish nobility and intellectuals.
@whitechoc135 yep. He was responsible for a LOT of people being murdered. He was also, in part, responsible for the Olympics in Berlin (1936?).
Status, money, looks? Not sure which. Or all. Himmler’s massage/physical therapist Felix Kersten wrote a book. In it, he said that Heydrich hated to be touched and would throw gold coins around the brothel to watch the women scramble for them. I sincerely doubt the accuracy of being touched since it was pretty well known that he was a womanizer.
I wouldn’t exactly trust Schellenberg, not just for the Nazi reason. I found a quote about Heydrich from him and he seemed to like Heydrich a lot.
@whitechoc135 Oh hell, I wouldn’t trust many people to tell the tales of their superiors. The dead can’t talk back, nor would I trust their spouses.
I struggled through Lina Heydrich’s (my German is only about a 5th grade level) book. There is a really good series on YouTube about Lina Heydrich, if you haven’t seen it.
This is the first of 3 videos.
Did you get anything much from the book (half of it has got to be either bias or lies)?
I saw an interview she was in on YouTube and she seemed to think what happened to the Czechs was fine and that Heydrich was doing the right thing. I swear there’s a trend between the main Nazis wives and I wonder why they were all so….loyal?
Maybe, it was partially a cultural thing as well as the idea that Nazis liked traditional wives (Goering kind of goes against this point, but still.)
Thanks for the source.
This is a really interesting conversation.
@whitechoc135 Not really, it was a lot of bias and shoving things under the rug.
Oh Göring first wife, Carin, was pretty traditional for hertimeand station. Emmy was completely different in a lot of ways. Goebbels wife wasn’t traditional tho either. There’s a book, Nazi Wives, that talks about the higher ups women. It’s interesting. I don’t know how good the source work is tho.
Thanks for the source.
Magda may not have been traditional, but she definitely had a twisted sense of loyalty. I mean while they were in the bunker, she killed her own children because she apparently didn’t want to live in a world without Hitler. Goebbles was involved, but I wonder if he added pressure. Speer mentioned in his first memoir that he did, but I don’t trust that man. God, those people are messed up.
Speer is a very interesting case! He was known as the only nazi to apologize. A lot of people thought it was a ploy to keep himself alive. If it was, he succeeded. His autobiography stuff is fairly interesting, tbh.
Magda was just……I have no words. Her stepfather (I think it was her stepfather) was Jewish. She had Jewish boyfriend when she was younger. And then BOOM..nazi.
Like wtf?
I didn’t know about that last part about Magda. Maybe Goebbles had something to do with it or it was social norms changing. The thought of Goebbles convincing her that anti semitism is good and not retarded bullshit feels on brand. I can picture it. Given their collective loyalty towards, I would think it was to do with his influence.
I’m pretty sure he was already anti-Semitic after his playwright attempts fell through. I don’t recall anything about his parents being antisemitic, just Catholics. Actually, there was an entry in his diary in which he felt neglected because his parents were against him not being catholic anymore. I remember that, but not the date it was written on. There’s a book and Gobbles diary itself and it references specific trends with examples. I think it’s just called the Goebbles diary. It’s really interesting.
In regards to Speer, it’s interesting because you kind of have to assume what’s true and not true. His distain for Martin Bormann was definitely interesting and his own criticism of his architectural seemed insincere. The way he characterised Goering was strangely entertaining to be honest. I don’t know how much of that exaggeration or just Goering bring over the top. The part about him thinking Himmler poisoned him seemed like bullshit, but the idea that Himmler had a stash of liquid positions kind of seems on brand with his occult stuff.
@whitechoc135
I think it had more to do with Hitler than Goebbels, if I remember correctly. She adored Hitler. There was some discourse about Magda and Hitler having an affair, but there was never any proof.
He was already antisemetic. It was fairly common to be antisemitic, unfortunately, especially after WWI.
A lot of people didn’t like Bormann it seemed. Granted you had to go through him to get to Hitler so?
As for Speer and Himmler, it wasn’t Himmler directly. Speer had hurt his knee and Himmler recommended Dr Karl Gebhardt. Gebhardt was the one that denied Heydrich sulfa or antibiotics (if they could have gotten antibiotics). Anyway, Speer got really ill and thus thought Himmler tried to have him poisoned.
The fact I remember this crap. LOL 😳
It would make sense that no one liked Bormann. He was apparently the one that held favour with Hitler most frequently and was quite sly. He was constantly fighting with the others, except for Heydrich (Heydrich needed to get through Bormann to become de facto dictator of Czechoslovakia. Also Hess got along with Heydrich or at least they weren’t fighting for power.
Bormann also slapped his child once for not calling Hitler ‘my Fuhrer’, instead of ‘the Fuhrer.’ He was basically the equivalent of that dude in a group project that does nothing and takes the credit.
Okay. I am sitting on my front porch this morning, drinking my coffee. That group project thing? Yeahhhhh there is coffee everywhere from laughing so hard.
Hess is an interesting character to say the least. Bormann is too, but I find Bormann’s wife even more so. In the book Nazi Wives, it stated that his wife wanted polyamory/polygamy. I have no idea how true that is, the sources seem somewhat lacking. The book also gets into the hatred between Marga Himmler and Lina Heydrich.
I think it’s also that book that one of the Bormann children was at Himmler’s mistress’, Hedwig Potthast, home and the child saw a chair built of human bones. Ick.
Wow. Ok. That sounds like the kind of shit Himmler would pull to be honest.
Why did Himmler’s wife hate Heydrich’s wife?
I’ve only heard that Himmler was being a cunt to his wife essentially, calling her fat, telling her to stay home, being embarrassed by her ect. Apparently Himmler was attracted to Lina. I don’t think Heydrich was aware of this, but If he did know he probably wouldn’t give a shit.
@whitechoc135
I’m not sure tbh. I’m sure I read it somewhere, but…
The only thing I remember is that Marga Himmler was a bossy type and Lina didn’t like that.
I think she really embarrassed him after he rose to power plus, she wasn’t exactly a pretty young thing.
I honestly don’t think Himmler was attracted to Lina. Lina was very outspoken and I can’t imagine that would go over well. As a matter of fact, I believe that is one of the reasons Heydrich didn’t take Lina with him to functions with the higher ups.
The wives seem to fall into two categories, either acceptable or unacceptable. Like Magda Goebbels frequented the Berghof, for example. Lina Heydrich and Marga Himmler did not. It was either Hess’ wife or Bormann’s that was kind of…cast out….of the popular kids, so to speak. I think it was Hess’, but not swearing to it.
It would make sense if it was Hess, given how he grew out of the circle over time, but who knows?
I’m going on a short tangent here, but it’s wild how hard Himmler committed to the aesthetic (assuming he has any role in how his men looked or the uniform.) Ceremonial swords, daggers, the fucking hats. He was apparently very strict about who he let in with his idea about them being very ‘racially pure’. His men had to be clean shaven, apparently strong. And his whole idea about the SS being the knights of the round table sort of thing. He was also very self righteous about the race shit. He’s been described as school masterly in one piece of media (Dorf in Holocaust by Gerard green) and a man he met (name isn’t coming to me now.) I know Dorf isn’t real, I just through Gerard green’s characterisation was interesting. All in all, a massive coward.
I think in a way, he shaped the Nazis beauty standards, even if pretty much all of the top Nazis didn’t fit it. (I guess Heydrich is the closest but, that would only be because of eye colour, hair colour.)
I just think the way he ran the SS showed how..strange he was.
@whitechoc135 If Heydrich stood there, in the black uniform, a pleasant look on his face? I think he might pass as the aryan ideal.
Himmler is just weird. Very weird. I can’t wrap my brain around him. I haven’t researched him as well as Heydrich.
Do you know what Gor/Gorean is? That is how Himmler thought, I swear. Which is even creepier.
Oh yah, I’m back! I MISSED YA!
To summarise, Himmler was a polite dude with awkward tendencies, very ambitious, interested in the occult and medieval shit. He was initially a pale, catholic who kind of snitched on his class mates in school to the principal, who was his father. He was sick, bad at athletics, but good at organisation and good at academics. Think a coward who gets power to use his drive and really strange ideology to do heinous shit.
COMPLETELY AGREE!! I think of him as toady.
*ribbit*
The team of Heydrich and Himmler was terrifying. They were so much alike as children, but how they were different as adults. It seems, to me, that in-person Heydrich acted subservient to Himmler, at least before he went to Prague. I do mean acted as in faked it. I don’t quite believe he respected Himmler.
All I’ll say is that I heard that Himmler was afraid of Heydrich which makes sense if it is true that Heydrich has files on everyone.
I’ve heard the same thing. Supposedly, he even had files on Hitler. Which wouldn’t surprise me in the least. I’ve never decided if Heydrich was brilliant or just so well organized he could solve anything by organization.
Stark contrast to Ernst Kaltenbrunner, I think. I read one of the books on Kaltenbrunner and how he was just…crap I can’t think of the word…come on coffee kick in.
Like during Nuremberg trials, he was very much just an emotional mess and tried to say he knew nothing. I often wonder how Heydrich and Himmler would have done. Himmler I think would have been extremely emotional and having breakdowns. Heydrich? No clue
I feel like Heydrich would have been very calm about it. Maybe a bit arrogant about it. Like I can get out of this.
I honestly think Himmler would have been quite calm about it and kind of awkward at the court room.
I dunno. Himmler, to me, was annoying.
I think you might be right about Heydrich. He would have treated it similar to treating the Navy court when he got kicked out of said Navy. Supposedly, it wasn’t the deed that got him kicked out but the arrogance and attitude.
I heard the same thing. He was acting ‘unlike a gentleman should.’ It was something along those lines
Just like any other regime, the rules don't apply to those in high places. What got him tossed out of the Navy was praised in the top officials once the nazis took over.
There is a fiction book where Heydrich plays a heavy role but mostly in the background. It's somewhat bizarre, but interesting. It's based loosely on Ambassador Dobbs and his daughter Martha. It's super messed up in many ways. I'm not at home, and can't remember the name. It is available on kindle tho fairly inexpensive. You can see it tho. Like the description of how Heydrich was. When I get home, I will get the name.
I work in the mental health field. Which is another reason Heydrich is a fascinating. He could have become virtually anything. And he chose genocide and mass murder.
One thing I have always wondered was the general soldiers and low ranking officials was when the war was over. What did they teach their children? Arnold Schwarzenegger has spoken a little bit about it.
And then those of high rank or their widows, like Lina Heydrich, I am positive she kept with the nazi propaganda. What about the others? I know many of them were dead, so there were the widows raising them. And a lot of the kids that grew up in the 30s-40s defied their families.
Then you have Gudrun Himmler who was a hard-core nazi that defended her father til her death. Her cousin Carin(?) wrote a book about being a Himmler.
It's another thing that fascinates me is the generational trauma. My father's family were mostly murdered in nazi Germany, as they are German. Six people escaped. Six. That's it. My mom's was a little better off and either didnt get caught or got out, but that side of the family is Italian.
Factoids about Reinhard Heydrich:
-He had a brother, Heinz Heydrich, who realized Reinhard was a dick after his assassination and saved people.
-He was apparently insecure about his laugh. It was described as ‘goat like.’
-Apparently, he was popular with women.
-He was mostly feared or hated, even by other Nazis.
-The Gestapo interrogations he did see, didn’t get to him.
-He hung out with his men at bars in the red-light district in Berlin.
-He went to Kitty Salon sometimes.
-He went to brothels a lot.
Reinhard Heydrich was considered the architect of the Final Soultion. He was personally responsible for the murder of millions, even though he died before a lot of the plans were put into place.
A serial womanizer (allegedly, because no proof actually exists but there are a lot of stories), he set up Salon Kitty to try and get information from pillow talk.
Heydrich reportedly had a rather high pitched voice, especially for a large man. (Thus the laugh the OP mentioned).
@whitechoc135 I always wondered if his popularity with women was because of his rank and reputation or if women simply liked him for whatever reason.
Maybe status. Maybe they thought he was good looking for some reason.
Unrelated, but he was also responsible for the Einsatszengruppen (the mobile killing squads). He directed a campaign of arrests and executions against Polish Nationalists, Jews, members of Polish nobility and intellectuals.
@whitechoc135 yep. He was responsible for a LOT of people being murdered. He was also, in part, responsible for the Olympics in Berlin (1936?).
Status, money, looks? Not sure which. Or all. Himmler’s massage/physical therapist Felix Kersten wrote a book. In it, he said that Heydrich hated to be touched and would throw gold coins around the brothel to watch the women scramble for them. I sincerely doubt the accuracy of being touched since it was pretty well known that he was a womanizer.
I wouldn’t exactly trust Schellenberg, not just for the Nazi reason. I found a quote about Heydrich from him and he seemed to like Heydrich a lot.
@whitechoc135 Oh hell, I wouldn’t trust many people to tell the tales of their superiors. The dead can’t talk back, nor would I trust their spouses.
I struggled through Lina Heydrich’s (my German is only about a 5th grade level) book. There is a really good series on YouTube about Lina Heydrich, if you haven’t seen it.
This is the first of 3 videos.
Did you get anything much from the book (half of it has got to be either bias or lies)?
I saw an interview she was in on YouTube and she seemed to think what happened to the Czechs was fine and that Heydrich was doing the right thing. I swear there’s a trend between the main Nazis wives and I wonder why they were all so….loyal?
Maybe, it was partially a cultural thing as well as the idea that Nazis liked traditional wives (Goering kind of goes against this point, but still.)
Thanks for the source.
This is a really interesting conversation.
@whitechoc135 Not really, it was a lot of bias and shoving things under the rug.
Oh Göring first wife, Carin, was pretty traditional for hertimeand station. Emmy was completely different in a lot of ways. Goebbels wife wasn’t traditional tho either. There’s a book, Nazi Wives, that talks about the higher ups women. It’s interesting. I don’t know how good the source work is tho.
Thanks for the source.
Magda may not have been traditional, but she definitely had a twisted sense of loyalty. I mean while they were in the bunker, she killed her own children because she apparently didn’t want to live in a world without Hitler. Goebbles was involved, but I wonder if he added pressure. Speer mentioned in his first memoir that he did, but I don’t trust that man. God, those people are messed up.
Speer is a very interesting case! He was known as the only nazi to apologize. A lot of people thought it was a ploy to keep himself alive. If it was, he succeeded. His autobiography stuff is fairly interesting, tbh.
Magda was just……I have no words. Her stepfather (I think it was her stepfather) was Jewish. She had Jewish boyfriend when she was younger. And then BOOM..nazi.
Like wtf?
I didn’t know about that last part about Magda. Maybe Goebbles had something to do with it or it was social norms changing. The thought of Goebbles convincing her that anti semitism is good and not retarded bullshit feels on brand. I can picture it. Given their collective loyalty towards, I would think it was to do with his influence.
I’m pretty sure he was already anti-Semitic after his playwright attempts fell through. I don’t recall anything about his parents being antisemitic, just Catholics. Actually, there was an entry in his diary in which he felt neglected because his parents were against him not being catholic anymore. I remember that, but not the date it was written on. There’s a book and Gobbles diary itself and it references specific trends with examples. I think it’s just called the Goebbles diary. It’s really interesting.
In regards to Speer, it’s interesting because you kind of have to assume what’s true and not true. His distain for Martin Bormann was definitely interesting and his own criticism of his architectural seemed insincere. The way he characterised Goering was strangely entertaining to be honest. I don’t know how much of that exaggeration or just Goering bring over the top. The part about him thinking Himmler poisoned him seemed like bullshit, but the idea that Himmler had a stash of liquid positions kind of seems on brand with his occult stuff.
@whitechoc135
I think it had more to do with Hitler than Goebbels, if I remember correctly. She adored Hitler. There was some discourse about Magda and Hitler having an affair, but there was never any proof.
He was already antisemetic. It was fairly common to be antisemitic, unfortunately, especially after WWI.
A lot of people didn’t like Bormann it seemed. Granted you had to go through him to get to Hitler so?
As for Speer and Himmler, it wasn’t Himmler directly. Speer had hurt his knee and Himmler recommended Dr Karl Gebhardt. Gebhardt was the one that denied Heydrich sulfa or antibiotics (if they could have gotten antibiotics). Anyway, Speer got really ill and thus thought Himmler tried to have him poisoned.
The fact I remember this crap. LOL 😳
It would make sense that no one liked Bormann. He was apparently the one that held favour with Hitler most frequently and was quite sly. He was constantly fighting with the others, except for Heydrich (Heydrich needed to get through Bormann to become de facto dictator of Czechoslovakia. Also Hess got along with Heydrich or at least they weren’t fighting for power.
Bormann also slapped his child once for not calling Hitler ‘my Fuhrer’, instead of ‘the Fuhrer.’ He was basically the equivalent of that dude in a group project that does nothing and takes the credit.
Okay. I am sitting on my front porch this morning, drinking my coffee. That group project thing? Yeahhhhh there is coffee everywhere from laughing so hard.
Hess is an interesting character to say the least. Bormann is too, but I find Bormann’s wife even more so. In the book Nazi Wives, it stated that his wife wanted polyamory/polygamy. I have no idea how true that is, the sources seem somewhat lacking. The book also gets into the hatred between Marga Himmler and Lina Heydrich.
I think it’s also that book that one of the Bormann children was at Himmler’s mistress’, Hedwig Potthast, home and the child saw a chair built of human bones. Ick.
Wow. Ok. That sounds like the kind of shit Himmler would pull to be honest.
Why did Himmler’s wife hate Heydrich’s wife?
I’ve only heard that Himmler was being a cunt to his wife essentially, calling her fat, telling her to stay home, being embarrassed by her ect. Apparently Himmler was attracted to Lina. I don’t think Heydrich was aware of this, but If he did know he probably wouldn’t give a shit.
@whitechoc135
I’m not sure tbh. I’m sure I read it somewhere, but…
The only thing I remember is that Marga Himmler was a bossy type and Lina didn’t like that.
I think she really embarrassed him after he rose to power plus, she wasn’t exactly a pretty young thing.
I honestly don’t think Himmler was attracted to Lina. Lina was very outspoken and I can’t imagine that would go over well. As a matter of fact, I believe that is one of the reasons Heydrich didn’t take Lina with him to functions with the higher ups.
The wives seem to fall into two categories, either acceptable or unacceptable. Like Magda Goebbels frequented the Berghof, for example. Lina Heydrich and Marga Himmler did not. It was either Hess’ wife or Bormann’s that was kind of…cast out….of the popular kids, so to speak. I think it was Hess’, but not swearing to it.
It would make sense if it was Hess, given how he grew out of the circle over time, but who knows?
I’m going on a short tangent here, but it’s wild how hard Himmler committed to the aesthetic (assuming he has any role in how his men looked or the uniform.) Ceremonial swords, daggers, the fucking hats. He was apparently very strict about who he let in with his idea about them being very ‘racially pure’. His men had to be clean shaven, apparently strong. And his whole idea about the SS being the knights of the round table sort of thing. He was also very self righteous about the race shit. He’s been described as school masterly in one piece of media (Dorf in Holocaust by Gerard green) and a man he met (name isn’t coming to me now.) I know Dorf isn’t real, I just through Gerard green’s characterisation was interesting. All in all, a massive coward.
I think in a way, he shaped the Nazis beauty standards, even if pretty much all of the top Nazis didn’t fit it. (I guess Heydrich is the closest but, that would only be because of eye colour, hair colour.)
I just think the way he ran the SS showed how..strange he was.
@whitechoc135 If Heydrich stood there, in the black uniform, a pleasant look on his face? I think he might pass as the aryan ideal.
Himmler is just weird. Very weird. I can’t wrap my brain around him. I haven’t researched him as well as Heydrich.
Do you know what Gor/Gorean is? That is how Himmler thought, I swear. Which is even creepier.
Oh yah, I’m back! I MISSED YA!
To summarise, Himmler was a polite dude with awkward tendencies, very ambitious, interested in the occult and medieval shit. He was initially a pale, catholic who kind of snitched on his class mates in school to the principal, who was his father. He was sick, bad at athletics, but good at organisation and good at academics. Think a coward who gets power to use his drive and really strange ideology to do heinous shit.
COMPLETELY AGREE!! I think of him as toady.
*ribbit*
The team of Heydrich and Himmler was terrifying. They were so much alike as children, but how they were different as adults. It seems, to me, that in-person Heydrich acted subservient to Himmler, at least before he went to Prague. I do mean acted as in faked it. I don’t quite believe he respected Himmler.
All I’ll say is that I heard that Himmler was afraid of Heydrich which makes sense if it is true that Heydrich has files on everyone.
I’ve heard the same thing. Supposedly, he even had files on Hitler. Which wouldn’t surprise me in the least. I’ve never decided if Heydrich was brilliant or just so well organized he could solve anything by organization.
Stark contrast to Ernst Kaltenbrunner, I think. I read one of the books on Kaltenbrunner and how he was just…crap I can’t think of the word…come on coffee kick in.
Like during Nuremberg trials, he was very much just an emotional mess and tried to say he knew nothing. I often wonder how Heydrich and Himmler would have done. Himmler I think would have been extremely emotional and having breakdowns. Heydrich? No clue
I feel like Heydrich would have been very calm about it. Maybe a bit arrogant about it. Like I can get out of this.
I honestly think Himmler would have been quite calm about it and kind of awkward at the court room.
I dunno. Himmler, to me, was annoying.
I think you might be right about Heydrich. He would have treated it similar to treating the Navy court when he got kicked out of said Navy. Supposedly, it wasn't the deed that got him kicked out but the arrogance and attitude.
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