some sort of hero

"You don't stop bein' a soldier just 'cause you got wounded in battle."

[kamidiox]

J to J: Award by Kamidiox

Maybe you already know, maybe not, but this year J2 didn’t win anything on the People’s Choice Awards, altough Misha won as Favorite sci-fi/fantasy tv actor.

I’m pretty sure the J2 really don’t care about an award when the organizers didn’t even invite them the years they won. And for me, personally, they are already winners because they found a friendship most of all only can dream of.

The “lick my straw” came from an old post in tumblr (sorry, I can’t find the link) from a barista girl who said the J2 came into her job and were teasing each other, and she said that Jared took the straw from Jensen’s beverage and licked it, then put it back in Jensen’s beverage. Jensen only shrugged. I don’t know if the story is real or not (or if I’m telling it right), but I totally picture that happening.

[battlewornhero]

The greatest thing about Sam stans who hate Dean is that they're always either 1) violent John stans or 2) they ship Sam with the people who have hurt Sam the most such as Gabriel or Castiel.

John disowned Sam. John was manipulative, negligent and controlling towards Sam. He wasn't a monster but you have to acknowledge his mistakes. He did damage.

Castiel purposely and maliciously broke Sam's wall, subjecting him to immense emotional torture and nearly killing him.

Gabriel made Sam watch his brother die over and over and over again, sending Sam into such severe grief that he was never the same man after it was all over.

Apparently it's only Dean's mistakes they are unable to forgive despite the fact that Dean's the only one who has always been there for Sam, always had Sam's back, and has always loved Sam.

[allforsammy]

that’s right, we are not going to talk about dean wearing a new shirt while he’s at lunch with castiel, because we don’t spend hours talking about dean wearing (or not wearing) all sorts of things old and new and borrowed (from sam) while he’s with sam either.

but we could. for hours.

[livebloggingmydescentintomadness]

don’t look at me

[destielhiseyesopened]

Only if it’s “Fiddler”

Dean, on whether or not he likes musical theater

Wait. Wait. You mean the show with major plot points revolving around siblings who have to choose between “traditional” relationships and being with who they actually love??

HHHNNNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!

(via destielhiseyesopened)

[battlewornhero]

Even if Kripke himself came down and said that Dean is straight, the shippers would still say he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Oh wait, Kripke himself did say that Dean is straight. But, whatever, what does Kripke know?!

[cinnamonackles]

[battlewornhero]

Destiel subtext #3: That time when Cas beat the shit out of Dean. I'm not saying subtext, but subtext!

Because nothing says "I love you" better than beating a man unconscious!

[battlewornhero]

Destiel subtext #2: One time, Castiel zapped in on Dean while Dean was sleeping.

Uh huh, I've read enough fan fiction to know what happens next!

[battlewornhero]

Destiel subtext #1: The character Jensen Ackles played in the movie Blonde had a best friend named "Cas". Coincidence?

[battlewornhero]

Really really annoyed today.

Angry that my boss keeps looking at porn on my computer

angry that when my internet browser crashed today and when I started it back up, it restored all of his milf and granny porn tabs he'd had open

[battlewornhero]

nothing frustrates me more than Sam!girls who bash Dean and then try to convince you that they love Dean too!!

Shut up and leave me alone. And please hand over your bi-bro card. You don't want it, don't pretend that you do.

[whoaeasytiger-deactivated201906]

You can not love one brother and not the other. You can’t. If you do, stop watching the show or start over, because you missed a thing or two. It’s not about shipping, about romance or anything else, it’s about two guys who mean the world to each other. And you can not claim to love one if you don’t love the other as well. Because then it means you don’t understand 50% of your character’s personality.

[talkmagically]

People are capable of understanding a character’s personality without liking the reasoning behind it. It’s entirely possible to love one brother without loving the other.

Dean and Sam are separate entities with their own personalities, quirks, and habits. It is made quite clear that they mean the world to each other, but that is not their entire existence. Sam’s anger issues are not related to his love for his brother. Dean’s adoration of the Impala is not related to his love for his brother. Sam’s desire to eat healthy is not related to his love for his brother. Dean’s tendency to dive into alcoholism is not related to his love for his brother. Can those issues connect the brothers in a way? Sure, but those issues are not a direct causation of that connection. You cannot say “Sam wants to eat healthy because he loves his brother” or “Dean is obsessed with the Impala because he loves his brother.”

There are many reasons to dislike one brother that has no connection to the other. I can’t stand Sam because of his habit of guilt tripping himself for the entirely wrong reasons. He feels guilty for things that aren’t his fault and doesn’t feel guilty for things that are. Does that mean I don’t understand Dean’s personality? No, it does not. I understand Dean. I knew as I began watching Season 1 that Dean would protect Sam come Hell or high water because I am also the younger sibling in my family. It is not difficult to spot the adoration of an older sibling when you’ve been the object of that same kind of adoration.

Your mistake is thinking that understanding a character and loving a character are mutually inclusive. They’re not. If it was, characters such as Bela Talbot and John Winchester wouldn’t be as hated as they are. Sometimes all it takes is to fully understand a character to realize that they are not someone you would ever want to meet.

The show is about two brothers. The show is not about two perfect brothers who literally define each other and have no individual qualities to tell them apart. Just because they love each other doesn’t mean we have to love them both, as well.

[whoaeasytiger-deactivated201906]

This is a really convincing case except that wasn’t at all my point. Some of those arguments are invalids, I never said the show was about “two perfect brothers who literally define each other and have no individual qualities to tell them apart” and I never said to love every single aspect of the brothers.

My point still stands.

[talkmagically]

No where did I say that you said that about the brothers. Unless someone directly says “You said” or is providing quotes, you should never assume that they’re making a claim that you said something because now you’ve made the issue about you instead of addressing what was actuallysaid. The only time I referred to you in my entire post is when I pointed out your mistake in treating love and understanding of a character as mutually inclusive. However, I’ll gladly start using quotes now.

Your point does not stand. My entire post is about your direct words, “…you can not claim to love one if you don’t love the other as well. Because then it means you don’t understand 50% of your character’s personality." You make the claim that loving one brother and hating the other means that people are not understanding 50% of the personality of the one that they love. That is entirely false. You can understand a character without loving them. Understanding does not mean love, agreement, or even tolerance.

The other part of your original post: “You can not love one brother and not the other. You can’t. If you do, stop watching the show or start over, because you missed a thing or two. It’s not about shipping, about romance or anything else, it’s about two guys who mean the world to each other." This assumes that anyone who doesn’t love both brothers must have missed something because their opinions on the brothers don’t match the opinions of the characters. The content of any show does not dictate whether or not the viewer should love, or even like, a character. It is your opinion that they missed something, but it’s entirely possible that they watched every single episode, took in every single detail about the brothers, and still came to hate only one of the brothers. All or nothing mentalities do not address the complexity of human emotions and human personalities. By claiming that someone must have missed something because they love one brother but not the other, you are purposely ignoring the valid interpretations of many people in the fandom. People are capable of fully understanding both characters, of catching every single detail in the show, and still come to the conclusion that they love one and hate the other. You can dislike the idea of people loving one brother and hating the other all you like, but that will never make it a fact that their opinion means they missed something or have failed to understand the characters.

If it wasn’t your point to say that to understand the characters is to love both of the brothers then your own post is grossly off topic of the point you are trying to make, because that is a summary what your original post says. “If you love one brother then you must love the other. Otherwise, you watched the show wrongly and missed entire aspects of their personalities.” Saying “My point still stands” when contradicted without actually proving it does nothing. If you are going to make a claim about how others are interpreting and understanding something, do more than simply falling back on your own opinions.

[whoaeasytiger-deactivated201906]

Ok so apparently we are not going to be civil about this, I said you were free to come discuss this with me in private but you decided to make this a public affair, so first of all, thank you for not taking my wish into consideration, that’s very nice of you.

"No where did I say that you said that about the brothers." Well that is really great because the post was only about the brothers so does that mean you’re willing to take back everything you just said? This was a post about Sam and Dean Winchester. And I still firmly believe, along with quite a lot of people, that loving one means loving the other. It’s not because understanding means loving. I understand people I don’t like, thank you for enlightening me about the difference between the two but that wasn’t necessary. Sam and Dean Winchester are two characters who have their own traits of character and are not defined by the other, yes I agree (never stated otherwise btw).

Love means understanding, otherwise it is a lie. If you love something you don’t understand, then I am really sorry for you. Loving Sam and/or Dean is understanding why they do the things they do, why they behave the way they do etc etc. And more often than not, all those reasons are the other brother. They make the decisions they do, whether they’re good ones or not, for the other, almost never for themselves, that’s the show, you watch it like I do. If you say to me you love one and hate the other, it means you are completely denying a pretty big part of who they are. it means you’re willing to see past half of the things they do just to keep loving your favorite. I didn’t say you had to love them both equally, you can have one you love more, but you can’t love one and hate the other.

Yes my point still stands. Yes that is a fact. No that is not an opinion. Yes you’ve also been quite rude.

[battlewornhero]

I've hesitated jumping in because I do not, in fact, hate either brother. (Although I am partial to Dean.)

But let's just say your best friend, who you love very much, marries someone you can't stand. There's nothing morally reprehensible about this person but you don't like their personality, you don't like the way they always interrupt conversations they aren't part of and you don't like the way they're never on time. Maybe you just hate their face.

Nevertheless, your best friend adores this guy. Would die for him in a heartbeat. Maybe you understand why she loves him, maybe you understand why she would die for him, you've listened to her go on and on about him so much that you feel like you know him just as well as she does.

Still, you hate his face. Does this mean you don't love your friend? Or does this mean you are missing some key element of this dude's personality that would change your mind?

Most likely not. Everyone has different tastes/opinions/world views that affect their opinion. You can love one person without loving who they love.

[mokaccyno]

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[joyridingstitches-deactivated20]

I was hoping for someone to make this post but then I was like ‘That’s a hard post to make’ but you did and I love you for it.

Every comment J2 made at JIBcon about Destiel, Misha thinks the opposite of it. When Jensen’s words were reported to him, he looked embarrassed for what Jensen had said and, or I read it that way, surprised too and he told us he was going to have a word with him for that. You could see that he cared because he knew some people in the audience were hurt.

Misha is an amazing human being, he is inspiring in so many ways and he has nothing to do with the hypocrisy and pseudo homophobia that J2 and the show like so much, as long as we pay their bills and don’t ask because if we do, we have to be ready to let them shame us in response and have a room full of people clap. Ignorance is way louder and sure of itself, brightness is a outcast full of doubts and always has been, and that’s the paradox of the entire society.

I talked openly with Misha, I looked into his eyes, he took my hand, he’s the best person I think I’ve met and when everyone seems to not understand - or pretend not to - this “weird person”, as J2 like to describe him, remains honest despite his co-stars’ bigotry and he is outspoken, in the limit of professionalism (meaning he had to master the subtle ability to speak his mind without making his friends and their bosses look like complete assholes).

Destiel is never going to be canon because the world is made of many Jensen and Jared. People like Misha are very few and very precious and they are the people that change it. One act of kindness at a time, one act of rebellion at a time, one act of craziness at a time. We are people that change the world, because we’re free enough to see love and see it as one, we don’t fill our mouth with stuff like ‘This love you’re seeing is of series B, it has to have a specific show that is about that’ like Jared and we don’t live in shades of gray and inconsistency of character, the kind that makes Jensen use absolutely meaningless words like ‘kindred spirits’. We see ‘love’ and we embrace it all and if that’s the only consolation, it’s not a small one.

[nancy444]

#another version of ‘jared and jensen are homophobic and Misha is a saint’#why am I not surprised#jared hate#jensen hate

Misha is an amazing human being, he is inspiring in so many ways and he has nothing to do with the hypocrisy and pseudo homophobia that J2 and the show like so much.

Damn, did you take a bath in the koolaid?

Newsflash cupcake: mishmash has been leading you assholes along and you are just too ‘inspired’ to realize it. 

[nancy444]

Wow, I just saw some comments from the other side of the fandom.

Good lord, a lot of people took a kool aid bath.

here

here

[sunshinesammywinchester-deactiv]

Misha is a queerbaiting asshole and this is solid proof. He doesn’t care about you or your feelings. He’s purposefully stringing people along to keep his job. It’s pathetic and disgusting. Yet Jared and Jensen get hate for being honest about it. If you truly cared about queerbaiting you wouldn’t be criticizing them for being honest about the show’s intentions.

[battlewornhero]

this is how Misha keeps his job, friends.

[winchesterloved]

not kidding no idea why they’re keeping cas around without giving him a decent storyline. all he’s doing is taking time away for a story that nobody gives a flying toss about and keeping deluded fans going ‘you’re queerbaiting us you’re queerbaiting us when is destiel going to become canon destiel is going to become canon this season why are you queerbaiting us’ and basically stirring up a crap load of crap so why don’t you make him relevant again or

get. him. onto. the. spin-off. since you want a spin-off that bad.

[battlewornhero]

My family is very much ones that love to tease each other, so I don't know any other way. I'm very much relate to Sam, but even I make the dick jokes and hair jokes. Hell I had one going before he cut his hair that he was gunning for Fabio's job. Its all in good fun. Though I am still not sure where the moose thing came from. So I never use it, not that I really care. As long as Jared doesn't mind it, I don't mind it. He is after all Sam's one true protector.

I agree- I love how protective the actors are of their characters!!

[battlewornhero]

Just speculating here but sometimes I get the impression sam!girls see sam as themselves and get offended over things that may not so much be hurtful to sam as hurtful to /them/ if they were sam. Which I don't have an issue with until they shove it down people's throats, like - you don't find this offensive/hurtful? Wow you're a terrible human being and guilty of [social justice crime 1], [social justice crime 2], [social justice crime 3].

Yeah, that's true. I mean, I relate to Dean very much and I always have but I think you run into trouble when you can't separate yourself from that character.

And I grew up in a large family and we all loved to tease so I guess I'm just very good natured about any and all teasing. Teasing is an affectionate thing for me.