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@benjaminfranklincat

Rancor's Razor: Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance

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hey can we take a minute to acknowledge that it is FUCKING INSANE that I spent my childhood learning what to do if someone TRIED TO SHOOT ME? not sure how you can casually tell a middle schooler "if the person next to you gets shot, smear their blood on your head and lay down and pretend to be dead too" and still be against gun control. what an insane thing to have to tell a child.

benjaminfranklincat

What is insane is to think gun control does anything but make things worse.

How do you figure? /gen

benjaminfranklincat

Crime, violent crime and murder go up with gun control. I know of only two times it didn't of tens of thousands of laws worldwide.

Can you link me some sources on that? If that's true, I'd be interested to see what countries it happened in, the specifics of the gun control laws, etc.

benjaminfranklincat

When I say that crime, violent crime and murder go up, I mean overall crime, violent crime, overall violent crime and overall murder. I do not mean gun crime and gun murders. Those are subsets of overall crime and overall murders and as such are meaningless if they drop but cause an increase in overall numbers because law abiding citizens were no longer able to defend themselves and criminals lost their greatest deterrence. What I did was look at a piece of gun control legislation and see what happened three to five years before compared to the time after the date of implementation. I've examined dozens of places around d the world using their reported numbers. I cannot look at all of them but I only found two where crime, violent crime.and murder didn't go up. The two places I know of where crime, violent crime and murder didn't go up following implementing gun control are Australia in the late 90s. Their crime trends stayed the same. The second was a law in America passed by republicans in the early 2000s that actually worked. The democrats didn't like the law and watered it down to being essentially gone and ineffective. Ironic, but true.

That said, I approach things a little differently than some. You are the one who wants to take away my civil rights while not possessing the means to do so. That's puts you in the position of convincing me to give up that civil right, not me convincing you I should keep it. So you show me more places gun control resulted in a decrease of crime, violent crime and murder.

This is just the first part of showing the abject failure of gun control. Wait until we get to genocide and school shooting.

I asked you for links to specific sources on crime going up when gun control was enacted, and I'm not seeing those. The only semi-specific examples you provided were examples where gun control worked. Not really sure how that's supposed to convince me?

Also, nowhere did I say anything about wanting to take away your civil rights. I believe everything I've said to you so far has been asking for elaboration and sources. I'm trying to understand your viewpoint, not convince you of anything.

Anyways, I'm happy to link you some articles regardless! I have these two right now but can go find more later if needed :)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5801608/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8371731/

benjaminfranklincat

If you believe in gun control, you want to take away someone's civil rights.

As for the rest, are you being deliberately obtuse?

hey can we take a minute to acknowledge that it is FUCKING INSANE that I spent my childhood learning what to do if someone TRIED TO SHOOT ME? not sure how you can casually tell a middle schooler "if the person next to you gets shot, smear their blood on your head and lay down and pretend to be dead too" and still be against gun control. what an insane thing to have to tell a child.

benjaminfranklincat

What is insane is to think gun control does anything but make things worse.

How do you figure? /gen

benjaminfranklincat

Crime, violent crime and murder go up with gun control. I know of only two times it didn't of tens of thousands of laws worldwide.

Can you link me some sources on that? If that's true, I'd be interested to see what countries it happened in, the specifics of the gun control laws, etc.

benjaminfranklincat

When I say that crime, violent crime and murder go up, I mean overall crime, violent crime, overall violent crime and overall murder. I do not mean gun crime and gun murders. Those are subsets of overall crime and overall murders and as such are meaningless if they drop but cause an increase in overall numbers because law abiding citizens were no longer able to defend themselves and criminals lost their greatest deterrence. What I did was look at a piece of gun control legislation and see what happened three to five years before compared to the time after the date of implementation. I've examined dozens of places around d the world using their reported numbers. I cannot look at all of them but I only found two where crime, violent crime.and murder didn't go up. The two places I know of where crime, violent crime and murder didn't go up following implementing gun control are Australia in the late 90s. Their crime trends stayed the same. The second was a law in America passed by republicans in the early 2000s that actually worked. The democrats didn't like the law and watered it down to being essentially gone and ineffective. Ironic, but true.

That said, I approach things a little differently than some. You are the one who wants to take away my civil rights while not possessing the means to do so. That's puts you in the position of convincing me to give up that civil right, not me convincing you I should keep it. So you show me more places gun control resulted in a decrease of crime, violent crime and murder.

This is just the first part of showing the abject failure of gun control. Wait until we get to genocide and school shooting.

hey can we take a minute to acknowledge that it is FUCKING INSANE that I spent my childhood learning what to do if someone TRIED TO SHOOT ME? not sure how you can casually tell a middle schooler "if the person next to you gets shot, smear their blood on your head and lay down and pretend to be dead too" and still be against gun control. what an insane thing to have to tell a child.

benjaminfranklincat

What is insane is to think gun control does anything but make things worse.

How do you figure? /gen

benjaminfranklincat

Crime, violent crime and murder go up with gun control. I know of only two times it didn't of tens of thousands of laws worldwide.

rollinrockabilly

benjaminfranklincat

Thoughts and prayers stop bullets better than gun control.

hey can we take a minute to acknowledge that it is FUCKING INSANE that I spent my childhood learning what to do if someone TRIED TO SHOOT ME? not sure how you can casually tell a middle schooler "if the person next to you gets shot, smear their blood on your head and lay down and pretend to be dead too" and still be against gun control. what an insane thing to have to tell a child.

benjaminfranklincat

What is insane is to think gun control does anything but make things worse.

I was pro-gun even when it came to mentally ill people in the 2010s, when all of tumblr was against that. And i still am now. Unrestricted access (unless we're talking about minors)

benjaminfranklincat

If someone isn't dangerous enough to be locked up for criminal or mental reasons, they should be able to own a gun.

JTEM, your favorite here. I saw a "Statistic" today that claimed you were more likely to die in Europe from a lack of an air conditioner than you were from a gun in they United States. I don't take anything at face value but I checked & Google A.I. concurs. I'm sure Trump is to blame but, would you care to weigh in on the subject?

Sure. If that statistic is correct, it sounds like Europe needs to get some AC. Was that your point?

that-vamp-starr

reminder

the bullet going between your eyes doesnt care what side youre on. Its there to fucking kill you. Cus thats all guns were made for. War and killing.

benjaminfranklincat

Your point? Why do you think I own guns?

My gun isn't a sentient object. It won't be aware of whether I live or die. That's not going to stop it from doing it's job of stopping some other bastard trying to kill me.

@uncle-beanbag-gaming is lucky guns aren't sentient or his might try to cap him for the mayo thing.

uncle-beanbag-mojave

I've already been shot, Rifle

Not by any conscious effort of the gun.

benjaminfranklincat

I just remembered the mayo thing.... That was a war crime! 😂😂😂

that-vamp-starr

reminder

the bullet going between your eyes doesnt care what side youre on. Its there to fucking kill you. Cus thats all guns were made for. War and killing.

benjaminfranklincat

Your point? Why do you think I own guns?

that-vamp-starr

why dont you get the fuck off my dick and take another step back.

benjaminfranklincat

Temper, temper. That isn't how you answer a legitimate question. What is your point? You went though the trouble of putting what is obvious in a post, surely you have a point to it. Or did you really think this was original?

that-vamp-starr

Okay number one im not gonna be nice to a nazi. Number two, yeah its fucking obvious but common sense isnt so common is it? Last but absolutely and certainly not least, you literally just told me you have guns for killing people..... should i give a watchlist your user or are you fucking done with your smartass remarks. Ill fuck your mother. Who the fuck do you think you are? Girl bye.

benjaminfranklincat

I'm not a Nazi. I'm am the son of those who fought and killed real Nazis, not the boogyman you run around afraid of today. And yes, I have guns for killing people. As you pointed out, that's what they are for. Let the watch list people know. I'll tell them the same thing. That's why we have a second amendment. You didn't think it was for hunting, did you? And yeah, you're sick enough to want to fuck my mother, who has been dead for 15 years. But you do you, boo. I'm not going to kink shame your sickness. Later bitch.

that-vamp-starr

IM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF THIS MAN IS INSANE HOLY 😭 wow. Bullying a literal child when you couldve just said nothing..... what a man you are. Also again, get off my dick 🫩 do you ever yk get tired of like bullying literal children online.... also yeah i am a bitch im very much aware so okay. Ig. Bro thought he did smth.

benjaminfranklincat

I didn't know you were a child. You either need to stop running your mouth, get off the adult topic on the adult website and go back to TeleTubies and My Little Pony or stop hiding behind your age. You showed up and no one invited you. Leave or stop being a baby.

that-vamp-starr

yall hear sumn???? I swear the wind sounds different today (why is this dickrider still here)

benjaminfranklincat

I get it now. You are 8. I didn't realize you are so young. I'm sorry your parents don't love you and let the internet raise you. Good luck with that. Good bye.

that-vamp-starr

reminder

the bullet going between your eyes doesnt care what side youre on. Its there to fucking kill you. Cus thats all guns were made for. War and killing.

benjaminfranklincat

Your point? Why do you think I own guns?

that-vamp-starr

why dont you get the fuck off my dick and take another step back.

benjaminfranklincat

Temper, temper. That isn't how you answer a legitimate question. What is your point? You went though the trouble of putting what is obvious in a post, surely you have a point to it. Or did you really think this was original?

that-vamp-starr

Okay number one im not gonna be nice to a nazi. Number two, yeah its fucking obvious but common sense isnt so common is it? Last but absolutely and certainly not least, you literally just told me you have guns for killing people..... should i give a watchlist your user or are you fucking done with your smartass remarks. Ill fuck your mother. Who the fuck do you think you are? Girl bye.

benjaminfranklincat

I'm not a Nazi. I'm am the son of those who fought and killed real Nazis, not the boogyman you run around afraid of today. And yes, I have guns for killing people. As you pointed out, that's what they are for. Let the watch list people know. I'll tell them the same thing. That's why we have a second amendment. You didn't think it was for hunting, did you? And yeah, you're sick enough to want to fuck my mother, who has been dead for 15 years. But you do you, boo. I'm not going to kink shame your sickness. Later bitch.

that-vamp-starr

IM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF THIS MAN IS INSANE HOLY 😭 wow. Bullying a literal child when you couldve just said nothing..... what a man you are. Also again, get off my dick 🫩 do you ever yk get tired of like bullying literal children online.... also yeah i am a bitch im very much aware so okay. Ig. Bro thought he did smth.

benjaminfranklincat

I didn't know you were a child. You either need to stop running your mouth, get off the adult topic on the adult website and go back to TeleTubies and My Little Pony or stop hiding behind your age. You showed up and no one invited you. Leave or stop being a baby.

that-vamp-starr

reminder

the bullet going between your eyes doesnt care what side youre on. Its there to fucking kill you. Cus thats all guns were made for. War and killing.

benjaminfranklincat

Your point? Why do you think I own guns?

that-vamp-starr

why dont you get the fuck off my dick and take another step back.

benjaminfranklincat

Temper, temper. That isn't how you answer a legitimate question. What is your point? You went though the trouble of putting what is obvious in a post, surely you have a point to it. Or did you really think this was original?

that-vamp-starr

Okay number one im not gonna be nice to a nazi. Number two, yeah its fucking obvious but common sense isnt so common is it? Last but absolutely and certainly not least, you literally just told me you have guns for killing people..... should i give a watchlist your user or are you fucking done with your smartass remarks. Ill fuck your mother. Who the fuck do you think you are? Girl bye.

benjaminfranklincat

I'm not a Nazi. I'm am the son of those who fought and killed real Nazis, not the boogyman you run around afraid of today. And yes, I have guns for killing people. As you pointed out, that's what they are for. Let the watch list people know. I'll tell them the same thing. That's why we have a second amendment. You didn't think it was for hunting, did you? And yeah, you're sick enough to want to fuck my mother, who has been dead for 15 years. But you do you, boo. I'm not going to kink shame your sickness. Later bitch.

that-vamp-starr

reminder

the bullet going between your eyes doesnt care what side youre on. Its there to fucking kill you. Cus thats all guns were made for. War and killing.

benjaminfranklincat

Your point? Why do you think I own guns?

that-vamp-starr

why dont you get the fuck off my dick and take another step back.

benjaminfranklincat

Temper, temper. That isn't how you answer a legitimate question. What is your point? You went though the trouble of putting what is obvious in a post, surely you have a point to it. Or did you really think this was original?

benjaminfranklincat

😂😂😂

that-vamp-starr

reminder

the bullet going between your eyes doesnt care what side youre on. Its there to fucking kill you. Cus thats all guns were made for. War and killing.

benjaminfranklincat

Your point? Why do you think I own guns?

jackandthesparrow

Whispers of the West in a Classroom of Silence

Mesa, Arizona.

The yellow tape is gone now, the shattered glass swept away. But a silence hangs heavy over Northwood Elementary, a silence that screams louder than the sirens that shattered the morning calm last Tuesday, September 30th. The first shots rang out just after 9:15 AM, forever changing this community.

As details of the tragedy emerge, the heartbreaking narrative has been given a name: Ethan Miller, 19. Officials describe a troubled young man with a history of warning signs who gained access to a weapon of devastating power. The instrument of this horror was a Winchester Model 1887 shotgun, a name that echoes through American history. It's "the gun that won the West," a symbol of frontier justice, now a tool of a different, more tragic American story.

The debate over gun control has, once again, been thrust into the national spotlight. In Phoenix, protestors gathered outside the state capitol, their signs a stark reminder of the human cost of our political stalemate. "How many more?" one sign read, a question that has been asked in Columbine, in Sandy Hook, in Parkland, and now, in Mesa.

"We are a nation armed to the teeth, yet we cannot protect our own children," said Maria Flores, a mother of two Northwood students, her voice trembling with grief and rage after two teachers and five second-grade students lost their lives. "We talk about freedom, but what about the freedom to send your child to school without fear?"

The irony is not lost on those who see the shadow of history in these modern tragedies. The Model 1887, a weapon whose image is now as much a part of Hollywood fantasy as it was a part of frontier reality, has become a symbol of a society struggling to reconcile its past with its present. The spirit of the Wild West, of self-reliance and frontier justice, is deeply ingrained in the American psyche. But in an age of mass shootings, some are asking if that spirit has become a curse. "We can't keep clinging to a romanticized past," said David Chen, a history professor at Arizona State University. "The world has changed. The challenges we face are different. Our laws, and our culture, need to reflect that." As the investigation continues, the focus will inevitably shift from the 'how' to the 'why'. But for the parents of Northwood Elementary, the 'why' is a question that may never be answered. They are left with the silence, a silence filled with the ghosts of what could have been.

And in that silence, the whispers of a nation's violent past and the urgent pleas for a safer future grow louder than ever before.

The question remains: Are we listening?

benjaminfranklincat

Please, lefties, don't talk about guns. You know nothing about them. This is a perfect example. The model 1887 Shotgun is not what is shown in the drawings. That is a 1895 rifle. And the gun that won the west is the 1873 rifle. Now was the shooting done with a 1887 shotgun, a 1895 rifle or an 1873 rifle? All are considered museum pieces and while some may still be functional, they were long ago replaced with better choices. This also highlights the ridiculousness of gun control. You have made schools so vulnerable, museum guns are effective again. What next? Spears?

dailyshowwithjonstewart

Fuckface von Clownstick Sends Troops to Portland and Shootings Trigger Left-Right Blame Game

After a string of mass shootings across the US, America swaps out “thoughts and prayers” for a left vs. right blame game, Republicans hypocritically criticize the Democrats' “violent rhetoric,” and Fuckface von Clownstick escalates a nonexistent problem by deploying troops to Portland.

Jill Lepore - We the People and Understanding How the Constitution is Meant to Work

"Just because we’ve written [the laws] down doesn’t mean that we can’t aspire to make things better.” Harvard law professor and staff writer at The New Yorker, Jill Lepore, joins Jon to discuss her bestselling book, We the People: A History of the US Constitution. She points to the years-long process of trial and error that went into writing the Constitution as an example of how the document was designed with the intention to be changed and improved upon, and emphasizes the foundational right to amend the document as Americans see fit. Lepore also explains how the conservative “originalist” movement has discouraged the addition of any new amendments since the 1970s, how conservatives continue to use originalism as a way of bending the Constitution to their political will through the courts, rather than going through the much harder amendment process, and how this dynamic has put issues like abortion rights and environmental protections at risk.

benjaminfranklincat

Such hypocrites...

rejectingrepublicans

benjaminfranklincat

In America, depending on which study you look at,

Annual crimes committed with guns: 500 - 800 thousand

Annual murders committed with guns: 8 - 12 thousand

Annual self defense uses of guns: 1.5 - 3.5 million

It isn't even close. Guns are used for far more good than bad. I'll be keeping my guns.

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