hey can we take a minute to acknowledge that it is FUCKING INSANE that I spent my childhood learning what to do if someone TRIED TO SHOOT ME? not sure how you can casually tell a middle schooler "if the person next to you gets shot, smear their blood on your head and lay down and pretend to be dead too" and still be against gun control. what an insane thing to have to tell a child.
What is insane is to think gun control does anything but make things worse.
How do you figure? /gen
Crime, violent crime and murder go up with gun control. I know of only two times it didn't of tens of thousands of laws worldwide.
Can you link me some sources on that? If that's true, I'd be interested to see what countries it happened in, the specifics of the gun control laws, etc.
When I say that crime, violent crime and murder go up, I mean overall crime, violent crime, overall violent crime and overall murder. I do not mean gun crime and gun murders. Those are subsets of overall crime and overall murders and as such are meaningless if they drop but cause an increase in overall numbers because law abiding citizens were no longer able to defend themselves and criminals lost their greatest deterrence. What I did was look at a piece of gun control legislation and see what happened three to five years before compared to the time after the date of implementation. I've examined dozens of places around d the world using their reported numbers. I cannot look at all of them but I only found two where crime, violent crime.and murder didn't go up. The two places I know of where crime, violent crime and murder didn't go up following implementing gun control are Australia in the late 90s. Their crime trends stayed the same. The second was a law in America passed by republicans in the early 2000s that actually worked. The democrats didn't like the law and watered it down to being essentially gone and ineffective. Ironic, but true.
That said, I approach things a little differently than some. You are the one who wants to take away my civil rights while not possessing the means to do so. That's puts you in the position of convincing me to give up that civil right, not me convincing you I should keep it. So you show me more places gun control resulted in a decrease of crime, violent crime and murder.
This is just the first part of showing the abject failure of gun control. Wait until we get to genocide and school shooting.
I asked you for links to specific sources on crime going up when gun control was enacted, and I'm not seeing those. The only semi-specific examples you provided were examples where gun control worked. Not really sure how that's supposed to convince me?
Also, nowhere did I say anything about wanting to take away your civil rights. I believe everything I've said to you so far has been asking for elaboration and sources. I'm trying to understand your viewpoint, not convince you of anything.
Anyways, I'm happy to link you some articles regardless! I have these two right now but can go find more later if needed :)
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5801608/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8371731/
If you believe in gun control, you want to take away someone's civil rights.
As for the rest, are you being deliberately obtuse?















