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Ok, so like, I lost track of Marianas Trench for a few years (lol life) and just, Haven is so good???? It's giving me all of the want to scream along with it vibes that I got from Astoria! Feels so good to be back!
Xivu:
Me:
Not my 2007 emo ass wondering what Fall Out Boy song this was
Cayde is back.
I’m shaking, crying, vomiting, rolling around in the dirt.
This Exo man has me unwell.
VOIDCRASH ☄️
(or Felwinter said fuck class restrictions)
Cloudstrider Monuments
Okay, i was gonna write this a while ago but never did. So, my boyfriend and I were hanging out in the Hall of Heroes after we finished the Strider exotic quest. My bf realized it there seemed to be way too many monuments around the room, considering the few things we knew off hand:
The collapse was 1600 years ago. We know this tidbit from Petra Venj. In the lore entry "Refusal" from Forsaken, there is this line: "She [Petra] bites back the rest: how she wishes that back in two-thousand-and-whatever, when the Darkness hurled mankind off the height of its Golden Age to plummet sixteen centuries into barbarism, it had done just a slightly better job." So we know that Neomuna have been around for approximately 1600 years.
Cloudstriders live 10 years, due to the augmentations they go through.
There are only ever two cloudstriders at once.
Alright, with this knowledge, we decided to count up all the monuments in the room and around it, which gave us 480 monuments. This number might not be entirely accurate, but it gives us a good estimate. Now let's divide this by two (since there are two cloudstriders at once) and we are down to 240. If this is multiplied by 10 (for the max amount of years a cloudstrider could live) we get 2400 years.
2400 years of Cloudstriders. Now, obviously this doesn't take into account that cloudstriders can die on duty (like Rohan), but it seems that the Neomuni live in relative peace besides occasionally dealing with the Vex. This also doesn't take into account the early days of Neomuna. We don't know how many cloudstriders there are at once originally, but it seems like there have never been many. We also don't really know how new/old of a concept cloudstriders are. Was Strider, the first cloudstrider, around 1600 years ago or more recently? So yeah, if we think cloudstriders have been around for 1600 years and you minus 1600 from 2400, that's still a good 800 years. It seems weird that there would be that many Cloudstriders. But who knows.
Honestly, my bf and I probably just over analyzed the Hall of Heroes after we got done roasting Quinn for being a bad archivist and having none of this important archival material to Neomuna's history backed up. So take this all with a grain of salt. Except for the 1600 years detail. I think a lot of people don't realize that D2 takes place in at least 3600 CE (and it's probably a lot later than that cause of we don't know how long the golden age was).
I'd like to add a note about Petra's line because that line has been hotly debated ever since that lore came out. Fortunately, the author of that lore, Seth Dickinson, stated on reddit that the line was meant figuratively:
That's a figurative reference to how much progress they lost, not a hard date on elapsed time since collapse.
He also added:
I fucked up with the metaphorical language there, I really didn't mean to give a sense of the Collapse's timing. Just that human civilization lost a lot of progress.
Unfortunately, there goes our best near-direct timeline reference. We can also interpret Petra's line as Petra making her best guess or simply her being wrong. But out of canon, we know from the author that it's not meant to be literal.
The Cloud Strider memorials are the next best thing though and it's pretty much agreed now that it's been about 2400 years since the Collapse. We don't have anything better than that really. Could be a little higher as well; as you noted, Cloud Striders probably weren't created right away and we don't know how perfected the technology was at first.
Rohan was also noted as the only one who ever died on duty. So all others fulfilled their 10 years which nicely tells us how to make the count properly. Of course, barring any other surprise word of god information, this is probably the most correct we've ever been about it.
We do have a direct reference to the time since the Collapse - Failsafe. She explicitly states it's been 500 years since her crew died.
Besides that, 2400 years is just too long. For reference, 2400 years ago we had a Roman empire. Ancient Egypt was still around. We only just figured out how to make sugar from sugarcane. Neither Christianity nor Islam would even exist for another couple centuries.
2400 years is LONG. There is no plausible way it has been that long since the Collapse and people are still living in ONE city, never spreading out, never expanding. 2400 years ago, we had 150 million humans on the entire planet. Today, that's like... two European countries and change. Now imagine 2400 years of population growth. That would not stay in one city.
That's a thing that bugs me so much about fiction, when writers throw big numbers around without any sort of reference as to just how fucking long that is. Progress happens. Progess is inevitable. A society will not be stagnant, or even near-stagnant, for that long. That's not how people work. We invent stuff. We make things. We grow and learn and we spread out. This world of space magic and futuretech would not spend a century or two rebuilding and then sit on its bum for two millennia doing nothing. If it had been that long, the setting would be very different.
500 years? That's a workable time frame. You can account for most of that in reasonable terms of "time it takes for society to crumble", "time spent living in the following chaos", "time spent rebuilding", and "time spent moving forward again". But the more you move away from this very reasonable time frame, the less sense anything makes in this universe. Once you reach terms like "a thousand years ago" without bothering to think for a minute about what we did and did not have in the year 1023, and how far humanity has come since then, you construct a world that simply doesn't work.
So for the Destiny universe to have any sort of internal logic, 2400 years can't be the timeline. And since this will always be a discussion of design vs logic, in this case the Occam's Razor answer is probably "the Hall of Heroes needed to look cool, so they made it very big and impressive". Visuals like that in a game are notoriously hard to use as a scale for anything, because games rarely operate on a 1:1 scale. That's why Whiterun is fucking tiny - because you don't want to navigate a real-life sized video game city. And that's why the Hall of Heroes is so unreasonably huge - making it realistically small would take away the impression that it makes, and turn it into a pathetic backdrop for what are supposed to be grand, sweeping scenes taking place there.
...also Nimbus would look ridiculous inside a normal-sized hall, so that's a scale the artists had to work with, too.
And honestly, if Word of God eventually states that it really has been that long? That it's been more than two-thousand years since the Collapse? That's unimaginably bad worldbuilding and I would rather follow a much more reasonable headcanon than pretend that nobody built another deep-space ship in all that time, and we have like a billion humans crammed into one medium-sized city in South America.
I've seen this post a few times and it's actually found it's way to my last nerve, so here's my two cents.
You're aware that humanity literally forgot how Roman concrete worked, yes? Like, something that was so widespread in its use through the Empire, and yet, with its collapse, we forgot how it functioned. So what I'm saying here is that you might be putting far too much stock on humanity's ability to "progress" in the face of a total collapse of their systems. Which the Collapse was, in fact, a total loss of their systems.
Also, if you are going to drag actual offline humanity into this discussion, then you need to pull that lens of yours back a little further and look at the *whole* of human development, not just this one, admittedly miniscule part of it. Modern technology and industrialization is in fact and outlier and should really not be counted, when we also know that humanity failed settle Europe multiple times during its early migration and that wasn't even with a complete loss of everything they knew.
Now, in Destiny, lets talk about things we *do* know! One, the Dark Ages happened. We have seen in multiple lore bits now that most Lightless did *not* live in a City of some sort, but under the protection of individual Lightbearers. It was the Iron Lords that pushed for those Lightless to be sent *to* the City that was starting to form at that time. We also know that it's been about *400* years since the Site 6 incident and the death of the Iron Lords. We also know that thanks to the influence of the Traveler, humanity has developed extended life spans! And there is nothing in any lore that seems to indicate that that has changed since the Collapse. I believe in that case, the average life span of a Lightless is about 300~ years.
If we go off of the 500 year estimate that comes from an AI that developed DID from the trauma of losing her entire crew, making her the most unreliable narrator to ever narrate, then that means that we're not even a full second generation out from the Collapse and idk bro, that just, doesn't seem to check out, especially when you mix the Awoken in with it all.
What I'm trying to say is that we don't have that much solid proof for how long its been since the Collapse, but 500 years is a really terrible suggestion regardless and also, humanity is actually pretty bad at the very basics of civilization when you look at how many fucking times civilization has literally just gone kerplunk.
i love how (based on martyn's lore) joel has two canonical soulmates. his multidimensional wife who he will always recognize and love in any smp they are together...and etho
I am a Heaven, Iowa truther
I'm so happy that Mumbo, Scar, and Grian finally got their big gay reunion on Hermitcraft.
If we had a nickel for every time Scar was involved in burning down Jimmy’s base, we’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s kind of funny that it’s happened twice.
MCYT SEXYMAN TOURNAMENT ROUND SIX
[ID: the sexyman bracket, with sixth round matches as detailed below.]
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MATCHES (quick links to each poll added as polls are posted):
GoodTimesWithScar (1) vs Ethoslab (4)
ZombieCleo (2) vs Joe Hills (3)
Fall Out Boy, my beloved/beloathed…
What the hell was all of that video even??? And was that new music at the end of it???
They’re really out here giving all of us a conniption to end 2022…
We definitely missed you, Osiris.
But when he first opened his eyes, his words were only, “Saint, my love.” That was all. And that was enough.
Went outside my fandom bubble and saw people being cancelled for shipping two characters who tried to kill each other once damn is this the limit nowadays
Trying to kill each other is a reason to START shipping characters
Cubfan being from Illinois just makes sense honestly. Like, the Total Chaos Minigame? That is simply the experience of being in Illinois.
i love it when grian fails to beat the allegations (screenshot from scar's tweet)
