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we know this here but she’s the only person who can correct the narrative about the credits and she won’t / i think she will one day and this is going to piss me off even more

it’s already been five years so the clock is ticking

They really don’t get how vulnerable writing can be anything from this is me trying or Dear John to Wish List or Eldest Daughter. Saying you want to marry someone and have kids that look like them to the whole world is very vulnerable in a happy way.

i actually think something as joyful as showgirl being put out after ttpd is very vulnerable. capturing her highs even though she knows how low she can get

joe was depressed and didn’t want to get better and also didn’t want her to get better so // and that is why that crowd on the internet love him bc they can project that relatability onto him for themselves and resent Taylor for taking that projection away from them. To quote Jamie, Taylor is pro recovery the internet is not.

and taylor is also anti internet

And like. It’s a devastating collapse of a Big Love that based on age and intensity you assumed would be a Forever Love. Life tells us it’s not supposed to happen, that once you and a man say you want to get married, it will happen. Combine that with the trauma and recovery Taylor was experiencing and the way he wee centered in that …. Idg what people don’t get. And for Olivia fans in particular to act like they don’t get it, despite her new album, is cruel.

yeah!! and it’s not a new story. there’s so much art that’s been made about this exact thing but taylor is just the worst i guess

look I hate to say it because I should not be comparing Olivia and Taylor (except all her fans do so it's all I can think about now) but when I compare her lyrics on you seem sad to the lyrics on Red...like thats when Taylor wrote ATW. And trecherous. Like That's why it extra doesn't make sense to me that they lean into the Taylor comparisons. She has a cool persona! Guts was a fun new direction! Why isn't she leaning heavily into that stuff instead of this singer/songwriter of the generation thing

i think everyone should be making more fun pop instead of forcing their deep lyricism

I'm legit her age- I'm 23 and only two weeks older than her- and yet I cannot relate to Olivia's music. And my friends cannot either. I swear we're not all like this. Or maybe it has something to do with beong from Europe, idk

the kids are alright

It's like the lolita dress thing. She did NOT need to comment on that, and they did SO MUCH. Think of how much heat sabrina came under for her MBF cover and she...released another one called "approved by God cover" and that was her only commentary. Like...she really doesn't know how to navigate criticsm well, she should've totally ignored the baby doll dress stuff

it was already dying they they themselves revitalized it and made it mainstream

Can I be honest? The think that irks me about OR is the way she never actually defends the women who are getting hate because of her like Sabrina and Taylor, she simply dances around the questions that seem far too evasive- with intentions of being that way. Her fans always say she is the victim, and yet they never listen to her lyrics. Like, isn't it strange how she constantly feels as if she's lesser than other women? She says she is a feminist and yet it's getting to a point. It's obvious the same happened to Taylor and Sabrina

gassing up every woman other than sabrina and taylor like it’s laughable

#we know this here but she’s the only person who can correct the narrative about the credits #and she won’t

People should realize that it isn’t just Joe. The issues around marriage and kids have been in her life since Jake. There’s a line in the 1, if one thing had been different would everything be different?, that summarizes how it festered the most with Joe because they had those conversations, but it started when she was 20 and was told that if the sex was as good as the conversation they’d have kids soon. Which in the mind of someone like Taylor would mean marriage as well.

totally!! i just think a lot of the conversation centers around joe because he’s the only person other than travis that she’s ever really tried to concretely plan a life with

one of the truly crazy things i’ve seen is people say how refreshing it is to see how vulnerable olivia is in her music and that “taylor could never” and it’s just like you all literally cannot handle when taylor is vulnerable lmfao honestly the discourse around olivia especially in respect to taylor and even sabrina makes me feel insane

it’s so baffling to think taylor isn’t vulnerable in her music

“My pain is such an imposition” like we can go back and analyse these songs again and again and the people who actually apply their brains to Taylor’s lyrics understand this. It’s an invasion of the proudly wrong and their intentional idiocy that’s causing the narratives

“she’s wrong for abandoning her depressed partner” i don’t actually think you owe someone your loyalty like that if they don’t want to marry you

Also the online condemnation of being ambitious by making girlboss jokes so of course they’ll ignore every hint of resentment towards Taylor’s career on TTPD. Wouldn’t want to examine their own terrible attitude towards ambition and sincerity and wanting things

the villainization of earnestness and ambition is so bizarre to me and it’s so antithetical to who taylor is

Women get off on “he isn’t that into you” except it’s a 6 year relationship when you’re WELL past that

people want taylor to have people in her life who knock her down a peg and he fit the bill

it’s also funny do they think taylor wrote songs about wanting to marry him on lover without them ever discussing marriage. do they not get that the issue is that he “changed his mind” and took the future she had imagined from her for no good reason?

no like. it’s all there

the FUNNIEST thing i see is people online being like “i know joe is so proud of taylor and her career accomplishments, even if they aren’t together anymore”. he literally isn’t. he never was. that was a big part of the problem!!!

he would’ve called her an evil capitalist for (checks notes) buying her work that she made out of private equity

When they act like “oh he just didn’t want to marry her” it’s so insulting. But yes! That is a major issue in a long term relationship that will cause/in itself is the symptom of other major issues!

“not wanting to marry someone isn’t a real problem” are you actually stupid

they base joes personality of the positive stuff taylor has said about him, but refuse to believe her when she tells them that he hurt her in very bad ways.

taylor’s a very good writer because what do you mean she still has people convinced that this is a good man

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