This invasion is not about the US. What Russia is doing is wrong. Not all Russian citizens should be condemned for their government's actions. Ukrainian people deserve support. There is so much misinformation out there and I encourage you to look into things further or ask actual Ukrainian blogs on Tumblr. World War 3 memes aren't funny. Don't send hate to every Russian blog on Tumblr. Try to educate with thorough research and double check facts and elevate Ukrainian voices.
You should stand with Ukraine. I don't care which party you support and I don't care who you voted for in 2020. It doesn't matter. Support Ukraine and check your facts. Listen to the first-hand experience of Ukrainians. Stand with Ukrainian people.
The Suki Alone comics fuck up the AtLA timeline, and contradict canon just so azula act out of character, and be the big bad villian when literally any other guard would have worked, even tho in the canon timeline azula literally could not have been in boiling rock torturing suki AND canon azula is NOT interested in torturing people
I just went and actually read “The Search,”(or at least the portions of it which occur in the present) because I hate myself:
1. Oh boy, the depiction of Azula is so ablest and screwed up, not to mention not compatible with canon. Don’t worry, Gene Yang’s WoG explains Azula is like this because she was badly abused in the asylum…
2. Replacing motives with “craziness” is just awful writing.
3. Zuko is only interested in “fixing” his family because a professor told him it was important to be a successful ruler. This interest in the “ideal” of family instead of actual human relationships with family members is consistent throughout.
4. Azula is implied to be badly abused and treated very poorly in the asylum.
5. Ty Lee chi blocking a restrained Azula. Just no.
6. Zuko of course shoves Azula in front of her abuser in order to help him find “his” mother.
7. The members of the Gaang needlessly antagonize Azula from the start, and respond severely and violently which she reacts. Apparently calling Appa a “shaggy beast” is a deadly insult.
8. Katara trying to murder Azula the instant she sees her, not giving Zuko any time to explain the situation, is something else. And it’s not like Azula was doing anything the least bit threatening.
9. The members of the Gaang appear to be replaced by alternative versions of themselves who feel extreme hatred and fear for Azula specifically, much more than they did for any antagonist in the show.
10. Azula is very clearly not in control of her actions and a threat to herself and others. It doesn’t seem to occur to anyone that this is a problem.
11. The members of the Gaang began with using violence and intimidation to try to control Azula. And they respond to #10 by attempting to ramp this up, despite this being pretty blatantly a bad idea.
12. Zuko + the Gaang appear to have zero interest in or knowledge of the mental health issues Azula has, nor of her symptoms. Apparently it didn’t occur to Zuko that he should talk to a doctor before he took her on a road trip. Maybe this is because the asylum doesn’t have doctors or any actual treatment.
13. Azula rants about Ursa plotting against her every other line, but Zuko and the Gaang have zero interest in figuring out who she is talking about.
14. Azula’s lightning apparently isn’t deadly at all anymore. Zuko redirects a full blast right at her and she’s completely fine?
15. Of course, the “Zuko holds Azula dangling over a cliff while blaming her for ruining his life since she was born” scene.
16. Sokka is written so badly.
Honestly, some stuff wasn’t as bad as I expected, but other parts were worse. Overall it’s very poor. And I didn’t even touch the Ursa-Ozai plotline.
Honestly, when I read “The Search” ( as well as “Smoke and Shadow” ) the emotions it caused me prevented me from actually taking it seriously. I was simply confused between cringing at parts that made absolute not one ounce of sense and being angry at how they decided to butcher the characters, especially demonizing Azula. I really wish Mother of Faces existed in real life, so I could erase my memory about the comics.
And it had concluded with someone releasing what basically amounted to being this soulless caricature of ATLA’s characters. Who - I have said it dozens of times and am going to repeat once again - were used merely for plot convenience. If they do something, it is because the plot demands them. Seriously, read the lines they utter, 95% of the time it is something related to other things along the plotline or made in a way so that it could go the way creators wanted. This kind of approach takes away any complexity out of characters, they are no better than toys in theatre at this point. There is no consideration for what makes them, just black and white approach with strong biases. It is incredibly apparent within all the examples @zuko-always-lies provided in the OP. The comic format most likely does not help it either.
And do not get me started about Azula’s illness, as well as Zuko’s apparent vindication.
Why Azula's appearance in Suki Alone comic was a Retcone and a made-up event
This post was inspired by @/hello-nichya-here's post here.
Sokka: The other Kyoshi Warriors, are they here?
Suki: No. I don't know where they are. They locked me in here because I'm the leader.
When Suki revealed who sent her here in the Boiling Rock, she did not say "Azula sent me here" she said "They sent me here".
Who are "They"? We don't know, ambiguous party, but it's definitely the Fire Nation, more precisely FN prison authority.
So, yes. This is evidence that Azula haven't met Suki. I don't see a reason why Suki wouldn't say it was Azula who sent her here to the boyfriend who later taunt her about getting captured by Azula.
Suki: It seems like every time there's a big battle, you guys barely make it out alive. I mean, you guys lose a lot!
Sokka: You're one to talk, Suki. Didn't Azula take you captive? That's right, she did!
If Azula had been the one to order such transition and leader separation then she would have instructed the responsible party after delivering the Kyoshi Warriors for being the Avatar allies.
Suki: If you're looking for the Avatar, you're out of luck
Mai: I knew this was a waste of time.
Azula: No Avatar, huh. Well, that's okay. Any friend of the Avatar [Jumps off the mongoose lizard.] is an enemy of mine!
So by the time the Kyoshi Warriors were transporting to the FN, Azula, Mai and Ty Lee were in their way to Ba Sing Se. So the possibility of Azula and Suki meeting would be physically impossible -- much less Azula waste her time even if she has a chance to, she's a busy girl.
The prisoners starvation was also made-up in this comic since it was not mentioned in the show's episodes nor its lore. The Boiling Rock was secured but not inhumane, in fact it was even implied to offer therapy scrolls to its prisoners. Suki too seems to be even more fit and physically capable than she was in Appa Lost Days when Kyoshi Warriors battled with the Dangerous Ladies, this indicate the imprisonment conditions weren't inhumane.
Hakoda publicly humiliated the Warden of the prison, yet the consequences of such action were quite mild.
The only form of "torture" (if you want to describe it as such) were the cooling machine which was exclusive for rebel Firebenders...
...and when the Warden was about to interrogate a "prisoner" over an escape plan which, surprise, was stopped by Azula.
Azula, to the Warden: "You're wasting your time. That's not one of them."
During the Day of Black Sun, when Team Avatar figured out that Azula’s plan was wasting their time by baiting them into chasing her until the eclipse is over, Azula said anything that comes to her mind to distract the people who were literally in their way to kill her own father and Fire Lord while he's powerless, the one she's responsible of protecting...until finally she brought up Suki and that successed. Azula's face here reveals that she was lying.
How Azula figured out Sokka's connection to Suki is already in Crossroads of Destiny:
Ty Lee: Yeah. What are you in time for, [Cartwheels to Sokka, standing just inches from his face.] cutie?
Sokka: [He begins to sweat and places his hand behind his head in discomfort. Nervously.] Uh, I'm kinda involved with Suki.
And she heard that. So yes, Azula probably wouldn't even remember Suki has not been to bait Sokka.
P.S I know post-atla comic writers have a huge boner to make Azula look bad or generally incapable of writing anything involved Azula other than "yo, this bitch is mean" which make me lose faith in it as Azula fan, but they at least could've spared an effort to make it look consistent, since Azula's appearance in this comic was at the end of the day unnecessary.
"Katara and the Pirates" comic also suffers from similar issues, mostly concerning the timeline and the poor topic choice for the character expansion. Both comics were published after over a decade of ATLA finale and was written by a fan of the show not one of the original writing team, so the possibility of retcones are there and the canon credibility of it is selective to me at best.
Suki: No. I don’t know where they are. They locked me in here because I’m the leader.
Ignoring the comics, it’s pretty apparent that either Azula isn’t directly responsible for separating Suki from her warriors(at least from Suki’s perception), or that Suki perceives Azula, Mai, and Ty Lee(”they”?) as being equally responsible for separating her(i.e. they were all present when the separation or decision to separate was made). There’s nothing to imply she actually personally knows Azula at all, or at least knows her better than Ty Lee and Mai.
P.S.
“The Guru”:
The scene cuts to Katara, as she races down the long halls of the Earth King's palace, message-scroll in hand. Breathless, she pulls to a stop before the Earth King's throne, where the three "Kyoshi warriors" wait kneeling.)
Katara: Thank goodness you are here, Suki. Something terrible is going on. The Fire Nation has infiltrated the city. I just saw Prince Zuko and his Uncle! (Azula's eyes snap open at this news, and she smiles) We have to tell the Earth King right away!
Azula: (rising to her feet) Oh, don't worry. I'll be sure to let him know.
“The Crossroads of Destiny”:
Ty Lee: Yeah. What are you in time for, [Cartwheels to Sokka, standing just inches from his face.] cutie?
Sokka: [He begins to sweat and places his hand behind his head in discomfort. Nervously.] Uh, I’m kinda involved with Suki
Azula learns that Suki is a Kyoshi Warrior(i.e. is probably someone she has captured) from Katara, and that Sokka has a relationship with Suki from Sokka. No need to have Suki say anything at all about Sokka.
And of course the airship in Suki Alone is anachronistic(airships do not show up in Book 2, and, had the Fire Nation had access to them so soon, it probably would have changed the strategy against BSS they pursued in Book 2).
It never really made sense to me why would Azula personally go to the Boiling Rock after CoD with Suki. That would imply Team Azula held Suki and other Kyoshi Warriors throughout the entire time they were in disguise. Except where? Why? Logically, Azula had to order someone to take them away, as the entire coup in Ba Sing Se took a while and they could hardly afford taking them to some random place in Earth Kingdom or Ba Sing Se.
And even after coming back to the capital, she was pretty busy. Literally one of the first things she did was getting her comeback announced ( probably after she told Ozai that Zuko killed Aang ) alongside Zuko and she spent her time in the palace ( aside from The Beach ) afterwards, most likely preparing for the Eclipse and, perhaps to some extent, the Comet. So again, when did she even come to transfer her? What was even the reason for it?
Torturing does not make sense from Azula's standpoint. She knows well it is ineffective and does not use it to sate some sadistic cravings, unlike what fandom likes to suggest. And holding Suki prisoner, alive, can prove a great tactical advantage for her if used right.
And again, why would she go there? Just to taunt her and make her life hell? When she might as well spare the trouble and lie about it to Sokka? And the fact she was trying to use different arguments to waste their time before she even jumped to talking about Suki, it is clear it was not the first thing that came to her mind.
Then the numerous contradictions to the portrayal and writing in the show, ugh. The more I look at those comics, the more I am inclined to believe they are holding onto using Azula's villain status, in order to make her look more evil, as some sort of selling point, rather than exploring her complexity and tragic backstory. They literally do not care about her as a character. Her appearances feel too forced for it not to be the case.
“Azula wastes entire days traveling to Boiling Rock so that she can taunt Suki” is a shockingly common thing in fanfiction, even though it makes no sense. Azula is a busy girl, and she seems to spend all her time hanging around the palace in Book 3, undoubtedly doing work, except when she got sent on a forced vacation.
And if Azula was committed to tormenting Suki, wouldn’t it make sense for her to hold Suki in a prison close to the capital(like the prison Iroh was held) rather than have her be hours away?
i know its been said b4 but growing up suicidal and then reaching an age you never planned to live to is extremely stressful and terrifying, and we deserve more credit for not killing ourselves and THEN having to make up for the time we spent not caring if we lived or died and not doing work to improve our lives.
i feel behind in life because i spent the last 7 ish years not giving a shit about my future because i assumed id be dead before id have to deal with that, and now i have to start making decisions that many people started considering years ago.
i just feel like. suicidal people dont get credit for firstly, how stressful life is while suicidal, how difficult it is just to do simple tasks, and secondly, how hard it is to recover from years spent not caring once a person is no longer actively suicidal or no longer having suicidal ideations.
Iroh never once refers to Azula as his niece, while Azula almost always refers to Iroh as her uncle even though she heavily dislikes him. Make of this what you will.
This is what I've started thinking every time I see a TikTok of a random stranger. We've seen what happens to people who go viral from their own posts-- why expose a stranger to that possibility just for existing? What if whoever's in there didn't want people to laugh at them? What if they don't want to be a meme? What if they just want to exist in real life, and not in someone else's framing on the Internet? Other people are not for public consumption.
What went wrong with how Azula was handled in the comics and why she deserves so much better (critical essay)
The issue I see in how the comics portray Azula is how everything around her seems to happen for plot convenience (or forced plot in other words). It happens to everything in the comics, yes, because depending on the plot Yang wanted to work with, characters could behave in absolutely OOC ways to allow those plots to work: see how Aang forgets Katara exists and that she was the only one of his friends with any interest in Yangchen’s festival in the Rift Part 2, for instance, which is the least Aang-like thing I’ve ever heard of? How Mai’s choosing to get a boyfriend who’s untrustworthy instead of joining her father’s terrorist organization herself and getting the intel she needs first-hand; and not just that, but deferring to Ty Lee’s “aura identification” to decide if Kei Lo is reliable or not after already dating him? For real?
There are a ton of such situations through the comics, a lot of moments where you just don’t feel like the characters would behave as they do if this were written by the show’s writers. And usually, the answer is that Yang needed to bend over character personalities and behaviors so that one plot or another could come to fruition as he wanted them to.
Some Digimon fan accounts have started reporting that an official Digimon account posted (and promptly deleted) the above image, a poster for a new Digimon series called “Digimon Ghost Games”. While this may very well just be a fake rumour, it does line up with a series of leaks we’ve had for the past few weeks, as well as some official information from Bandai regarding the Digimon Vital Bracelet toy. In short, the leaks implied the existence of a new Digimon anime debuting after the current Digimon Adventure: was over (either in September or October), with the protagonists using a Digivice called “Digivice V” and being partnered to Digimon called Gammamon (Ganmamon?), Angoramon (Angolamon?) and Jerrymon (Jellymon?).
The supposed new Digimon revealed for this series fit very well with those names, with a jellyfish-inspired one, a large mammalian one (”Angora” refers to a breed of rabbits, goats or cats) and a reptilian, vaguely dinosaur-like one (Gammamon being the supposed protagonist, who have traditionally been dinosaur-like).
Additionally, the above poster has supposedly been leaked. “Digimon New Movie 02″, centered on the first human being to have contact with Digimon. Despite the name, we currently have no solid reason to believe it’s linked to Digimon Adventure 02.
I always love these because you get to see so many different art styles but holy fuck guys someone needs to get him a spikey hat or knights armour covered in razor blades
After all this time fighting, the little guy and his enemy realized that it was all pointless. Since the beginning, the hate for each other had only make them stronger but by accepting their differences and learning to respect each other, they realized that they don’t have to keep being rivals, but perhaps something else.
even if their relationship may have started badly, the strong bond between them will last forever, by helping each others with what they lack and learning to accept that even if people have difference it would only make a world a more interesting place to be c:
So I was told that Human Planet had a segment about pigeons in the Cities episode that I might be interested in and I was honestly so underwhelmed. I haven’t finished the episode so maybe there’s more pigeon stuff but I feel like all I saw was more Birds Of Prey Are The Only Cool And Acceptable Birds and pigeons are Trespassers In Our Urban World Who Shit On Everything And Are Useless On Top Of It. Which isn’t true and I’m so tired of this being framed as some horrible burden that humanity must face. Pigeons are the victims here, not us.
Hate of pigeons didn’t start until the 20th Century. Before that was about 9,900 years of loving them. The rock pigeon was domesticated 10,000 years ago and not only that, we took them freaking everywhere. Pigeons were the first domesticated bird and they were an all-around animal even though they were later bred into more specialised varieties. They were small but had a high feed conversion rate, in other words it didn’t cost a whole lot of money or space to keep and they provided a steady and reliable source of protein as eggs or meat. They home, so you could take them with you and then release them from wherever you were and they’d pretty reliably make their way back. Pigeons are actually among the fastest flyers and they can home over some incredible distances (what fantastic navigators!). They were an incredibly important line of communication for multiple civilisations in human history. You know the first ever Olympics? Pigeons were delivering that news around the Known World at the time. Also, their ability to breed any time of year regardless of temperature or photoperiod? That was us, we did that to them, back when people who couldn’t afford fancier animals could keep a pair or two for meat/eggs.
Rooftop pigeon keeping isn’t new, it’s been around for centuries and is/was important to a whole variety of cultures. Pigeons live with us in cities because we put them there, we made them into city birds. I get that there are problems with bird droppings and there’s implications for too-large flocks. By all means those are things we should look to control, but you don’t need to hate pigeons with every fibre of your being. You don’t need to despise them or brush them off as stupid (they have been intelligence tested extensively as laboratory animals because guess what other setting they’re pretty well-adapted to? LABORATORIES!) because they aren’t stupid. They’re soft intelligent creatures and I don’t have time to list everything I love about pigeons again. You don’t need to aggressively fight them or have a deep desire to kill them at all. It’s so unnecessary, especially if you realise that the majority of reasons pigeons are so ubiquitous is a direct result of human interference.
We haven’t always hated pigeons though, Darwin’s pigeon chapter in The Origin of Species took so much of the spotlight that publishers at the time wanted him to make the book ONLY about pigeons and to hell with the rest because Victorian’s were obsessed with pigeons (as much as I would enjoy a book solely on pigeons, it’s probably best that he didn’t listen). My point is, for millenia, we loved pigeons. We loved them so much we took them everywhere with us and shaped them into a bird very well adapted for living alongside us.
It’s only been very recently that we decided we hated them, that we decided to blame them for ruining our cities. The language we use to describe pigeons is pretty awful. But it wasn’t always, and I wish we remembered that. I wish we would stop blaming them for being what we made them, what they are, and spent more time actually tackling the problems our cities face.
I just have a lot of feelings about how complex and multidimensional hating pigeons actually is
And also pigeon poop was a very valuable fertilizer before we had other options, people would hire guards to stop thieves from stealing their flock’s poop.
Late night, reblogging, so bear with me here…
Thank you for posting much of my thoughts over the past year and a half! I am known by many as “that guy who keeps the raptors”. Yes this is true, I do keep and handle raptors for educational purposes, but what many fail to realize is, I am fascinated with pigeons. My interest with birds began with the obvious, the raptors, corvids, and parrots. Then I discovered pigeons. These wonderful little birds with big attitudes and the incredible ability to thrive among people.
The organization I work with got its first pigeon a little over a year ago. She was a rescue with nowhere else to go. I was quickly drawn to her character and attitude about life. We rarely handled her, but we did spend time with her. She grew attached to our volunteers very quickly because their were no other birds she could socialize with in our facility.
We never intended to train her for educational programs. It was a job reserved for our raptors. It was our pigeon who decided she would be a part of what we were doing. One day, when we entered her enclosure to change water and food, she decided to fly to my hand and perch like our raptors do.
No training, no treats, just the reward of being with us.
What we hadn’t noticed for the couple months prior was her watching us. This brilliant little bird had been watching us every day as we trained and worked with our raptors. Finally she decided she didn’t want to be left out any longer. She made her place on our hands.
This occurred several times before we finally put her on a glove and brought her into the public. Needless to say, she was right at home. She fluffed up and preened the entire evening while people gawked and asked us why we had a pigeon on one glove and a hawk on another.
Since then, we’ve added 5 more rescued pigeons to our growing flock. And our pigeon (Tybalt) has become a mainstay ambassador for our programs. Each of our pigeons are incredibly fun to watch and interact with. Pigeons simply don’t get enough love. They are marvelous creatures incredibly suited to life alongside people both physically and mentally.
Raptors my have been my introduction into birds, but pigeons opened my eyes to a new appreciation for them and the fascinating world of bird cognition.
NOT ONLY are pigeons very amazing, worth our respect, and INTERESTING (did you read any of that stuff above?), but they are beautiful too!
Look how lovely:
Photo by .jocelyn.
They have a complex and fascinating social structure, both within a flock and with other individuals:
and, AND, haven’t you ever wondered why city pigeons come in a magnificent rainbow of unusual colors?
Most wild animals all look alike within a species, with TINY, RARE individual variations in terms of rare color morphs, unusually big or small animals, different facial markings and other subtleties. But there is no evolutionary benefit to having species where everyone looks slightly different, and in fact, it’s beneficial for species to be similar and consistent, with a distinctive aesthetic. Especially if you’re trying to blend into the environment - a black wolf is all very well, but it looks positively silly in the summer tundra, where its grey/brown/brindley cousins blend in. A white deer has a great aesthetic - and a very short lifespan in the forest. Distinctive Protagonist looks are rare in the wild, simply because natural selection usually comes down heavily on them.
To humans, most wild animals are visually indistinguishable from each other.
As a result, most wild animals are like
“Oh it’s obvious - you can tell the twins apart because Kara has a big nose.”
Wild animals usually have a pretty consistent aesthetic within their species. It’s important to them!
SO WHAT IS GOING ON WITH PIGEONS?
Look, in one small picture you’ve got a red color morph in the center, several melanistic dark morphs, a few solid black birds, a few variations on the wildtype wing pattern, a PIEBALD, a piebald copper color morph…
Like, there are LAYERS UPON LAYERS of pigeon diversity in most flocks you see. Pure white ones with black wingtips. Solid brown ones with pink iridescent patches. Pale pinkish pigeons.
WHY IS THAT? When other wild animals consider “being slightly fluffier than my brother” to be dangerously distinctive in most circumstances?
BECAUSE CITY PIGEONS AREN’T TRULY WILD.
MANY OF THEM (POSSIBLY MOST OR ALL) ARE FERAL MIXES.
THEY WERE ONCE BELOVED PETS, SPECIAL MESSENGERS, EXQUISITE SHOW-WINNERS, AND PRIZED LIVESTOCK.
THEIR PRETTY COLORS WERE DELIBERATELY INTRODUCED BY HUMANS.
AND NOW THEIR HUMANS DON’T LOVE THEM ANY MORE.
See, pigeon fanciers bred (and still breed!) a huge array of pigeons. And the resulting swarms of released/discarded/escaped/phased out “fancy” pigeons stayed around humans. What else were they going to do? They interbred with wildtype pigeons.
Lots of the pigeons you see in public are feral. They’re not wild animals. They’re citizen animals. They’re genetically engineered. And now that’s what “city” pigeons are.
These “wild” horses are all different colors because they’re actually feral. Mustangs in the American West are the descendants of imported European horses - they’re an invasive domestic species that colonized an ecological niche, but they are domestic animals. Their distinctive patterns were deliberately bred by humans. A few generations of running around on the prairie isn’t going to erase that and turn them back into wildtypes. If you catch an adult mustang and train it for a short period, you can ride it and have it do tricks and make it love you. It’s a domestic animal. You can’t really do that with an adult zebra.
No matter how many generations these dogs stay on the street and interbreed with one another, they won’t turn back into wolves. They can’t. They’re deliberately genetically engineered. If you catch one (even after generations of rough living, even as an adult) you can make it stare at your face, care about your body language, and love you.
City pigeons? Well, you don’t have to like them, but they’re in the same boat. They’re tamed animals, bred on purpose, living in a human community. Their very bodies are marked with their former ownership and allegiance; they cannot really return to what they once were; if you caught one, you could make it love you (in a limited pigeon-y way.) They have gone to “the wild,” but not very far from us, and they’d be happy to come back.
So next time you see a flock of city pigeons, spare a moment to note their diversity. The wing patterns. The pied, mottled and brindled. The color types.
I’ve added to this post before, but looking back, didn’t really need to because @elodieunderglass had pretty much said everything already.
In North America, pigeons are the avian equivalent of stray dogs.
Not wildlife.
Not adapted to cities.
Domesticated livestock descended from cliff nesting desert birds, for whom the closest thing to their native natural habitat available to them *is* concrete buildings and bridges.
We abandoned them the minute there was faster, more reliable communication tech, and treat them like it’s their fault.
There was nowhere else for them to go.
There still isn’t.
Ever noticed you don’t see feral pigeons away from a city or farm?
It’s because they can’t roost in anything but human made structures and can’t find food without us.
Wanna feel like a Disney princess without doing any harm to native wildlife?
Make friends with your local flock of ferals!
They can learn to recognize your face, voice, and even understand your spoken language if you talk them through things like you would a toddler with enough consistency.
They are parrot smart.
They just can’t mimic speech and don’t need tools.
Their social structure is similar enough to ours that integration between the two is as easy for them as it is for our other social best friends: dogs.
Once they trust you enough to start trying to bridge the communication gap, you will be able to build a genuinely mutually beneficial cross species friendship.
My former feral assistance bird, Ankhou, who taught himself to alert me for anxiety attacks, is not special as pigeons go.
They are just like that.
Because they were domesticated before even chickens were.
They are designed to build partnerships with us, live near us, and benefit from our company and care.
If you want an intelligent bird friend, leave the wildlife alone and reforge the age old bond with one of our oldest domestic species.
The skittishness of ferals is not natural to them. It’s learned through trauma, just like it is for feral cats and dogs.
Be patient, and remember they have good reason to be wary.
They will thank you for it.
(And the solid, fibrous poop of pigeons fed actual whole seeds doesn’t do the corrosive structural damage that the highly acidic empty-stomach splatter does!)
