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Imagine thinking feminism is about "minorities", as if women were a fucking minority instead of over half of the world's population
I have a story time that's honestly the most Gen Z moment I've ever lived
I hooked up with a really hot girl I met at a club (pre-covid yes) and I was already drunk when we bumped into each other and we were alone, we were also communicating in English so it was just a bunch of weird coincidences.
We hooked up and I ate pussy all night man it was AMAZING really sigh what days. The morning after I even made her breakfast and everything. I casually called her 'beautiful' and stuff and she never told me anything. Actually, the night before I called her "baby girl" and she didn't seem to mind.
But at breakfast I casually joked about "man imagine it I slept with men I'd be missing out" and she casually told me "you slept with a man last night."
SHE WAS A TRANS MAN ALL ALONG.
And don't get me wrong she was super chill about it, telling me "it's alright I'm pre op and pre T so I get mistaken for a lesbian all the time and honestly I don't complain about it" and we actually kept talking a bit more before we decided it was not going anywhere, but it was such a sitcom moment.
"YOU'RE A TRANS MAN?"
"Yes."
"BUT YOU WERE WEARING EYELINER AND LIPSTICK?"
"I love the femboy aesthetic."
"YOU NEVER TOLD ME?"
"I wanted to hook up and you're hot and I have a pussy."
She was very chill and cool, her social media said she's a lesbian because she's actually into women only and said if she managed to fully transition to the point she no longer passes as female she'll consider changing her labels.
I'm sure if I told this to the gender Fandom they would all asume its somehow 'wrong' because a) I seem to no longer be a lesbian because I actively liked sleeping with a pre-op trans man, or b) I was deceived and abused because if I had known my language lesbianism would have kicked in.
Truth is I liked her after I was aware she was transitioning, we fucked even after I started referring to her with he/him, and I was not less of a lesbian for that.
Ps: in case the gender Fandom comes at me, she detransitioned that's why I use the she her. Calm ur gender neutral tits.
talking to a guy who works in tech about phones and mentioned how i didn’t like the new iphones or androids bc of the size and he was like “yeah i’ve noticed quite a few women feel like that idk why bc it’s so good having such a big screen” and i was like “it’s literally bc our hands are too small, i can’t reach across the screen” and he was shocked and had never thought about it and i had to explain to him how many things aren’t designed for women and he was truly astonished 🙄🙄
This speaks to me on a spiritual level.
I’d also like to add: THEY DONT FIT IN OUR POCKETS.
How many times have I almost flipped my damn phone out of my hand trying to reach the far left corner? Too many.
I started using my fiance’s old phone which has a fingerprint reader on the back which is high enough that I either hold it with my other hand or have to be really careful to use it to unlock the damn thing. He couldn’t understand why I missed my old phone which had it at the bottom on the front where I could use my thumb instead of reaching for it.
It makes you wonder just how many “clumsy women” stereotypes come from the world not being made to suit women. Ever gotten into a car and struggling to sit up high enough? Ever had a guy razz you for not being able to hold a basketball or football in one hand? Handles for powertools you can barely wrap your fingers around and which require an extreme grip strength to handle properly?
Male domination comes in a million forms, large and small.
I recommend reading (if you haven't already) Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado-Perez
Not to be dramatic but this post made me have a legit ‘holy shit’ moment
[nodding a bit at the points despite knowing that humans don’t have sexual dimorphism but now has Shinigami Eyes enabled]
Oh, so this is what they mean when they talk about how TERFs get you through soft talking points.
I'm confused. There's legitimate data that shows certain things affect women more because of our physical body structure. (Like, women get more injuries in car accidents because cars just aren't made for women). I don't understand how that would occur without human sexual dimorphism?
You are missing the point (and also misinterpreting data, but I am hoping that is just you getting sucked in by the soft talking points opposed to anything else).
Shinigami Eyes is a browser extension that highlights transphobic and trans-friendly social media accounts. Actively trans-friendly accounts are green.
Guess what color transphobic accounts are?
Now why would a bunch of transphobic accounts act like one could look at a person and know what their gender is? Like how someone held a phone or a tool revealed their "real" sex?
A “soft talking point” is something which sounds logical on the surface, until you start breaking down the actual data. For example, those studies about car accidents actually says that seat belts are designed with unrealistic weight and height specifications that the majority of people fall outside of. Note: the studies all say "people" because it's not tied to one gender or gender presentation. It’s anyone with a broader chest, or a narrower one, or a shorter one, or a longer one, or who is wearing a prosthetic, or is over/under the weight & height used as the “average” (which it’s really not the average). Only a small percentage of the people using the product actually fit the criteria used to design them without some kind of modding.
It’s poor design technique that is probably based more on the bottom line than functionality, but for once, it’s not actually sexism (or at least not sexism alone).
But how does that mean humans aren't sexually dimorphic? Like, there are patterns where there is an average afab height that is shorter than that of amabs. Or how medications aren't tested in afab people and that can cause major complications. I don't understand how humans aren't sexually dimorphic.
And that sounds like an interesting extension. Is there one for, like, Nazis and violent misogynists, too?
I see where you’re getting lost. You seem to have taken a bunch of soft talking points from TERFs as facts. You can’t do that.
And the basic fundamental fact is that humans are not sexually dimorophic. Science has already established this, and then for fun, they did it again, and again, and again.
There isn’t actually any significant height differences between humans based on sex. Size varies more due to environmental factors than it does due to any genetic factors. That’s before even getting into how we assign genders at birth is not particularly accurate in itself and pathologizes normal diversity while ignoring other equally normal. Even the one structural difference (the differently shaped pelvic bone) can be found in individuals who were born with genitalia that doesn’t match that expectation.
As our understanding of genetics grow, we begin to realize that we had a lot of it simply wrong in the early days. That whole “there’s only two genetic choices and they have absolute control over genitalia” thing was one of them, and it is a popular myth just like unoxygenated blood being blue. Just can’t seem to shake it.
And since brains build up strengths and connections based on use (outside of neurodivergences or injuries to prevent it), any differences there come back to socialization, not genetics. Even the “tendency” for certain neurodivergences to be diagnosed have been shown as a bias in the medical community opposed an actual difference in occurrence.
Every human has the same basic hormones to work with, regardless of what gender they’ve been assigned. The balance of those basic hormones varies within the same range regardless of what gender they’ve been assigned, too. Even having certain genitalia and organs (enough to get a specific assignment at birth) can mean nothing about how a body develops as it goes through puberty and that’s still common enough that it’s considered a normal diversity instead of an isolated or rare event.
TL;DR version: there is literally nothing about humans that is sexually dimorphic. Humans are all the same in that regard. Also, water is wet. [Source: science]
So then how are babies born? Like, without being sexually dimorphic, I'm not sure humans would have the reproductive patterns we currently hold.
I didn't realize that you didn't know that. I'm sorry that your parents and your school system let you down. Fortunately, you're on the internet and it's just a quick trip to a search engine to discover that. It looks like you need to google a few terms to understand my replies, as they were written with the idea that you had at least a middle school education and the wisdom to look up any terms that confused you (as the ToS says you have to be 13yo to use the site).
I suggest starting with “sexual dimorphism”, actually, but only because that’s what we’re discussing here, not reproduction. I’m sorry if you’re confused, but I’m sure you’ll get it with just a bit of research about the terms being used.
I know how babies are born. Im asking that if sexual dimorphism doesn't exist how is there human reproduction. Because my college biology level understanding regarding reproduction sort of involves sexual dimorphism. Sperm, a gamete created by one of two sexes, fertilizes an egg, gamete made by the other of the two sexes, and produces a child. But you're telling me sexual dimorphism doesn't exist (with "science" as the source, no actual sources) so I was hoping you would explain your understanding of reproduction, if sexual dimorphism doesn't exist.
So you haven’t done that google search yet, huh? If you don’t understand the terms being used, then you really do need to look them up. Claiming a level of understanding that you demonstratively do not have isn’t going to help you.
But it’s okay to not understand something. Like I said, this is just basic middle school science stuff, and since you’ve got access to the internet, it’s just a quick trip to a search engine to look up the terms. I’m sure that you’ll be able to understand the terms with just a tiny bit of effort on your part.
Again, I remind you that we are discussing sexual dimorphism, not reproduction. I suggest you start with that term so that you can understand why science says that humans do not have it. Science also says that water is wet and gravity exists.
Okay. So things like fat distribution in afab people, as well as types of fat are not sexually dimorphic. Additionally, neither is average height (being shorter than that of amabs), presence or absence of an adam's apple, ect are not sexual dimorphism? There's no separation at all. I, as an afab, should have full ability to overpower an amab person because we have the same physical make up, including musculature?
Additionally, google search said mammals, including humans, are sexually dimorphic. It at best said there was "some debate" but nothing outright denied human sexual dimorphism. So, maybe provide sources for your categorical denial of something instead of just saying [source: science]" because that's.... Not a source.
However, this is a source discussing sexual dimorphism overall.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=sexual+dimorphism+in+humans&hl=en&as_sdt=0,27#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3D8D3Nk4f0-Y4J
Edit:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1521690X07000371
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1047320307000405
Human beings can easily distinguish between a male and a female face without much difficulty. The science of recognizing and differentiating
willowlark: okay this is all true but it’s still mean of you to point it out!!!1
That fucking condescending tone is also so fucking male-patterned that I’m suspecting you’re possibly a dude.
Like pal, seriously, what the fuck I want to slap you after reading how straight up condescending and patronizing you were. If I wasn’t terf enough before, now I am.
Unpopular radfem opinion but I love trans men like, in in a server that's supposed to be mixed but there are only women and trans men, and I feel so fucking safe.
I want that, let a trans man get all the male-exclusive political positions, let them make the laws for men, let them invade and take over all male spaces.
I know this is deeply utopic but I love the idea of men getting removed from their spaces by the same concept they created to invade ours.
i NEED to follow any and all radfems outside of america or ima drop dead. bonus points if theyre korean or mexican theyre badass as fuck. ladies please drop @s or chime up if youre not an american citizen
mexican radfem hereeeee I’m so glad you’re saying mexicans are cool omg I feel like I’m buried in queer rethoric and ballroom
makeup: off
clothes: functional
i am forcibly removed from the category called “women”
Lesbians don’t like dick pass it on
Shut the fuck up terf
shut up terf
lesbians dont have to like dick, but they CAN date transwomen if they want to, and still be lesbians
homophobes don’t realize that after years of having to play down their same sex attraction, SSA people don’t want to have to act as if their relationships are always “pure” and absent of sex 🤡
also lesbians don’t even want to DATE people with dicks, doesn’t matter if they’re having sex, a dick is a no go.
shut up terf
shut your rapey lesbophobia ass up
LMAO ok Im sowwy did I offend u bc I said that lesbians can have penises and therefore can like penis? aww. Im so sorry. My apologies. I didn’t know respecting people that literally have a positive affect on your cause was so harmful >//.//<
you clearly don’t respect lesbians so don’t claim to respect people
tough talk for someone who literally is disrespecting lesbians by replying to me in such a hostile manner
“hostile” anyway you saying that lesbians can like penises sounds exactly like every conservative I’ve ever met :)
and you refusing to acknowledge that trans lesbians are in fact lesbians is also pretty conservative. Guess we’re both lgbtphobic now, huh?
basic understanding of homosexuality ≠ conservative ideology
refusal of basic understanding of trans people = conservative ideology
what makes trans “lesbians” lesbian?
Im happy you asked! You see, when a trans woman exists, she is a woman. Hence the title, trans woman. Genital preference is fine and all, but gender and sex are very different!
what makes a trans woman a woman?
their identity.
what is a woman?
a woman is someone who identifies as female, usually an adult
lesbophobes don’t understand forcing homosexual females into a straight relationship with a male, even if he or she doesn’t identify as male, isn’t healthy
being gay is a choice. nobody is attracted to someone else’s identity. explain how corrective rape is based on forcing lesbians to take dick if we already like dick? explain how conversion therapy is based on forcing lesbians to like males and dick if according to you we already like males and dick? which gender stereotype are lesbians meant to be attracted to, according to you? how are bisexuals oppressed if everyone is attracted to both sexes and both genitals, according to you?
corrective rape enacted on lesbians is committed by MEN. Its to try and make them like MEN. Nobody says you HAVE to date a trans woman RIGHT NOW but we are saying that it’s transphobic to say that they aren’t lesbians who can be in lesbian relationships.
also, the fact that you say being gay is a choice is disgusting and maybe you should reconsider your stance on sexuality, because your ideology is part of homophobia.
trans women aren’t a political debate and being gay is something you’re born with.
you’re right! trans women attracted to the opposite sex weren’t born gay. but lesbians were born homosexual females. heterosexual males can’t be lesbians bc it’s not a choice. homosexual females can’t be attracted to males bc we’re born gay. thanks for agreeing with me that there’s no such thing as a trans woman lesbian or a male/female lesbian relationship. it’s homophobic to say heterosexual males can be lesbians or in lesbian relationships. you’re going to get lesbians correctively raped by male penises or killed if you keep telling predatory straight trans women they can be with lesbians knowing none of us can be attracted to turn by the fact of our births.
@marshall-is-away this is abuse. Cause this is pure gaslighting. Disgusting manipulation of words.
You say corrective rape is commited by men and then say its bigotry of lesbians for not forcing themselves to be raped by men who simply state they are woman.
Just like the tra who didnt answer what is a female, you wont answer what are lesbians attracted to if not sex? What womanly gender stereotype attract us? The word woman and she her pronouns attract english speaking lesbians? Im brazilian.. brazilian lesbians are attracted to those who say they are “mulher” and to the pronouns ela/dela?! Explain why corrective rape and conversion therapy have the intention of making lesbians like male bodies if according to you disgusting trans activists, lesbians already do. Lesbians and gay men are oppressed by religions, politics and society because of what?
can u imagine being blatantly transphobic in the lgbT community? pick a struggle 🤪
the shared experience of same sex attraction is the only reason the lgbt came together. why would you pretend to care about a community made by gay ppl when you hate gay ppl and want lesbians forced into heterosexual relationships with trans women they can’t be attracted to? you’re blatantly homophobic and what you call transphobic is…..being born gay lol. guess all the same sex attracted trans ppl who were the reason for the t are transphobes too. funny how the only ppl who won’t be transphobic by your screwy logic are opposite sex attracted. wow. you’re full of heteronormativity and anti-gay bigotry, but what else do we expect from a white girl who self describes as an “androsexual”. be more pathetic.
umm honey u kno we’re part of the same community right? You’re spewing the same J.K Rowling bullshit these other terfs are. “ohh its same sex attraction!” its same gender attraction in a lot of cases Linda. go sit down swear on ya fuckin YEEZYS
what the fuck is same gender attraction? a fetish? how can you be attracted to gender? how does that work for closeted trans ppl or nonbinary ppl, or anyone who doesn’t pass? you think ppl can read minds? how does this apply to all the gender identities in other cultures? how are you this racist and stupid? a preference for masculinity, femininity, or androgyny is not a separate sexuality. most ppl who make up this dumb sga shit are transhets pretending they’re gay when they’re straight and attracted to the opposite sex or bisexuals with a masc or fem preference who want to be seen as gay when they’re in straight relationships.
im not saying what terfs or jkr say, im saying what all gay ppl say. every single gay person is attracted to the same sex only. why do we have to keep telling you hateful morons it’s not a choice? all gay rights are based on loving the same sex. that’s why straight trans ppl weren’t a part of the lgbt until the last decade.
i don’t share a community with ppl who hate gays and bisexuals for our same sex attraction. you’re mistaken. you don’t belong. nobody wants you. sorry if that’s triggering bc you already hear that from your family and friends, but it’s the truth. you’re unwanted and it’s all your fault bc we can’t be stop being gay but you can stop being homophobic.
did u seriously just ask me what gender is. and then call me racist? while YOURE the one forgetting intersex ppl??? gender is the fucking gender(or lack thereof if thats ur case) you are in your brain. Are we done here? can u grow up and educate urself on ur own??
also trans ppl only becoming part of the lgbt community last decade? i dont believe it but if its right it just means we’ve worked even harder than you ever will and your privilege is showing. go sit down mama, your legs must hurt from carrying all that bigotry~!
intersex describes a number of genetic disorders during sex development and literally has nothing to do with the sociocultural construct of gender identity. you have to be kidding me. the brain is not gendered at all. sounds like im the only educated person here. how do you explain gender identities from nonwhite cultures if it’s allegedly about some magical brain essence that doesn’t show up on brain scans and can’t be measured any way other than self reported feelings? gender roles have always looked different in various places throughout history. just like racial brain differences, biologicals and neuroscientists disproved the idea of gendered brains many times over years and years ago.
you really live in a bizarro world. the t wasn’t added for straight trans ppl. it was the straight ones who were too privileged, not dying from poverty or medical neglect (aids), never facing violence or discrimination, enjoying all the social and legal privileges afforded to their heterosexuality, who only joined in the last decade bc they don’t share the lgbt fight. they came for a party. we made this community to fight for the rights of the same sex attracted but you transhets wouldn’t understand bc you have all the rights you could possibly want. this isn’t a social club. for many the lgbt came together as life and death. ppl gave their lives to this community you hate on bc lesbians don’t like dick and gay men don’t like vaginas. the privilege is entirely yours. you are completely blind to the fact the lgbt was borne of struggle bc you’ve never struggled. you really are a homophobic piece of shit.
@marshall-is-away hey incel - please die.
Can’t believe we’re back to arguing lesbianism again.
So usually I am not posting anything about LGBT topics. My knowledge stance from a few courses in university and my own experience. I would like to suggest that lesbians and trans people both have very individual experiences with their identities. Not all lesbians are attracted to sex only but some are. Maybe it depends on your relation to sexual activity and how each individual experiences the act of sex previously in their life. Both ways of being are perfectly alright. The desire to be included as a trans woman who feels attracted to other women is also absolutely valid. It is not helpful to call people terf just because they might not be attracted to you or feel that their own personal definition is not applicable to trans women with Male genitals. There is a difference between not feeling attracted to something and hating it. Furthermore, the notion of being born this way is no longer the way academics view it. At least where I had my courses. Due to fluidity and the argument that people who later develop an attraction to the same sex are just as valid as those who always felt that way. And people who change their attraction over their life time should not have their homosexual experiences down played. Which of course does not mean that conversion therapy or corrective rape are anything else but harmful and disturbing and cruel.
sigh. listen to yourself! sexuality is fluid means bisexuality isn’t a 50/50 preference and they can have different feelings about both sexes at different times. it doesn’t mean everyone’s sexuality is fluid. do you know that modern conversion therapy rebranded itself as safe-t: sexual attraction fluidity exploration in therapy? that’s a pretty good sign that gay ppl aren’t fluid. all the research shows our identities tend to be fixed. once we come out to ourselves as gay, we don’t go with the opposite sex years later.
if you don’t know anything about gay ppl except some biased postmodern academic theories, why would you say “not all lesbians are attracted to sex only but some are”????? why would you make it sound like gay women are a minority of lesbians? ALL lesbians are attracted to the same sex only. the two criteria to being a lesbian are being born female and homosexual. there’s no such thing as a lesbian attracted to both sexes, bc someone attracted to both sexes is bisexual. there’s no such thing as a lesbian who likes males sexually, bc then conversion therapy and corrective rape would work and it wouldn’t make any sense to oppress gay ppl bc gay sex doesn’t make babies if we were always capable of enjoying hetero intercourse. this statement of yours absolutely downplays all the discrimination we face as lesbians bc it says most of us are as male attracted as straight and bi females and very few of us lesbians are gay.
while it is understandable that trans women want their gender to always matter, sometimes their sex does. they have to take a step back and remember as males and heterosexuals they oppress lesbians. many of them only want to be treated as lesbians bc they’re autogynephiles who have a porn fantasy about lesbians. fetishization goes hand in hand with hate. careful how much you validate straight trans women who want to use their privilege to erase female homosexuality. that’s not a personal definition, either. the universal definition of a lesbian is an exclusively same sex attracted biological female. this is not up for debate. homosexuality exists and the common word for a female homosexual is lesbian.
maybe your college courses brainwashed you. bc this isn’t determined by individuals. this is the scientific consensus. lesbians don’t have dicks or like dicks. just leave us alone. id rather argue with the openly homophobic like @marshall-is-away than with milquetoast pseudoallies speculating how gay ppl probably don’t exist. your straight and sometimes bi humanities professors might tell you “born this way” is outdated. they’re the same chumps who told us gay rights are heteronormative. they don’t speak for us. the biologists, neuroscientists, and everyone else know we’re born this way. since you aren’t gay, how about you keep this to yourself. it would’ve been enough to say not being attracted to something isn’t hate. you didn’t have to reassure the bigots that the conversion therapists and western neoliberals are probably more right about gay ppl than actual gay ppl.
how the hell can you say trans people haven’t struggled?!?!?! STONEWALL (AKA THE MOST FAMOUS LGBT RIOT IN HISTORY AND THE REASON YOU CAN ENJOY THE PRIVILEGE YOU HAVE TODAY) WAS STARTED BY TRANS WOMEN. there are staggering statistics showing how trans people have struggled. don’t you dare call yourself “educated” when you clearly haven’t done your research. trans teen have the highest rates of suicide and self harm out of any other demographic. trans high school and college students have higher chances of being raped or assaulted. TRANS PEOPLE ARE MORE THEN 3 TIMES AS LIKELY TO BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED THEN CIS PEOPLE. I would know, I’m part of those numbers. so don’t you dare say I haven’t struggled, and that my trans brothers and sisters haven’t. Do some fucking research and educate yourself before trying to speak like you’re an authority on something. Also, in a survey done by The Advocate, it was found that 52% of the gay and lesbian people interviewed would be comfortable dating a trans person, and that it didn’t make them any less gay. don’t try and speak for all lesbians when you’re not representing them properly.
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This. Fucking go off, Wren. This is worded so well.
Also, @/officially-dykemarching earlier in this thread asked what lesbians are attracted to if not sex, saying sexual orientation and attraction meant attraction to people of certain genitals, not of a certain gender.
Maybe this is me just being ace and not understanding how attraction works, but I assume that means that you can’t be attracted to someone until you see them with their pants off. Do you often see someone and go “oh they look pretty. Let me just go over and check their genitals to make sure I’m attracted.” How does finding celebrities who haven’t released nude pictures attractive work in that case? How does seeing someone across the room and thinking they’re hot work if the only thing that dictates sexual attraction is genitals? If genitals are what dictate attraction to a woman for a lesbian or straight man, or to a man for a gay man or straight woman, then was I right in thinking y’all were just making up this “oh they’re sexy” stuff?
Note my sarcasm.
Masculine and male are two different things. Feminine and female are two different things. A trans man can be feminine but he is not female. A trans woman can be masculine but she is not male.
I am afab. I am bi(all genders, personally). If I were to get in a tragic pussy accident tomorrow and a year from now start dating a lesbian, by that logic she wouldn’t be a lesbian if she was attracted to me because our genitals no longer match. If a man lost his dick in a tragic accident and dated another man afterwards, I think someone should inform them that they are no longer gay.
One last fucking note. This was so small I almost missed it until I scrolled back to figure out how to tag this monster, but bi people are lgbt+. Always. Even if they’re in a “straight” relationship. They’re still bi and lgbt+
There are things other than what’s in someone’s pants that dictate attraction. If you don’t think trans people face discrimination and struggle then take a long look at this thread and think if you would want strangers on the internet debating if you’re attractive or a rapist based on your genitals.
Oh, in the future, yeah. Let me use your very own example. If I go to a bar and hook up with a butch lesbian, but in the morning she says "oh, actually I'm a trans man" am I no longer a lesbian? Did I suddenly turn bisexual? Would you think language will erase the arousal caused by their female body?
Butch lesbians and pre-op rrans men, as well as nb females, look really alike most of the time. So what am I attracted to? Pronouns? Language? Abstract concepts that only take form when you use sistemic stereotypes? What am I attracted to????? Relationships are not just "UHH bonding and going on adventures", that's a childish idea. Realtionships most of the time include sex and attraction, not everyone waits until "ohh we connected uwu" to fuck, and if I see a female I like and fuck her and turns out she "identifies with the other gender" that doesn't do shit to my attraction, I still want to eat her pussy. That's how attraction works, that's the whole reason same-sex attracted people have been punished, because is same sex.
If all I need is language because I can fuck any body I wouldn't be here after a conversion therapy attempt and a corrective rape experience, I would only need to date a "butch trans lesbian" and no one would harass me anymore for being lesbian because they wouldn't be able to tell I'm a lesbian until my partner decided to say "oh don't mind the beard and stuff I'm actually a girl".
Lesbians don’t like dick pass it on
Shut the fuck up terf
shut up terf
lesbians dont have to like dick, but they CAN date transwomen if they want to, and still be lesbians
homophobes don’t realize that after years of having to play down their same sex attraction, SSA people don’t want to have to act as if their relationships are always “pure” and absent of sex 🤡
also lesbians don’t even want to DATE people with dicks, doesn’t matter if they’re having sex, a dick is a no go.
shut up terf
shut your rapey lesbophobia ass up
LMAO ok Im sowwy did I offend u bc I said that lesbians can have penises and therefore can like penis? aww. Im so sorry. My apologies. I didn’t know respecting people that literally have a positive affect on your cause was so harmful >//.//<
you clearly don’t respect lesbians so don’t claim to respect people
tough talk for someone who literally is disrespecting lesbians by replying to me in such a hostile manner
“hostile” anyway you saying that lesbians can like penises sounds exactly like every conservative I’ve ever met :)
and you refusing to acknowledge that trans lesbians are in fact lesbians is also pretty conservative. Guess we’re both lgbtphobic now, huh?
basic understanding of homosexuality ≠ conservative ideology
refusal of basic understanding of trans people = conservative ideology
what makes trans “lesbians” lesbian?
Im happy you asked! You see, when a trans woman exists, she is a woman. Hence the title, trans woman. Genital preference is fine and all, but gender and sex are very different!
what makes a trans woman a woman?
their identity.
what is a woman?
a woman is someone who identifies as female, usually an adult
lesbophobes don’t understand forcing homosexual females into a straight relationship with a male, even if he or she doesn’t identify as male, isn’t healthy
being gay is a choice. nobody is attracted to someone else’s identity. explain how corrective rape is based on forcing lesbians to take dick if we already like dick? explain how conversion therapy is based on forcing lesbians to like males and dick if according to you we already like males and dick? which gender stereotype are lesbians meant to be attracted to, according to you? how are bisexuals oppressed if everyone is attracted to both sexes and both genitals, according to you?
corrective rape enacted on lesbians is committed by MEN. Its to try and make them like MEN. Nobody says you HAVE to date a trans woman RIGHT NOW but we are saying that it’s transphobic to say that they aren’t lesbians who can be in lesbian relationships.
also, the fact that you say being gay is a choice is disgusting and maybe you should reconsider your stance on sexuality, because your ideology is part of homophobia.
trans women aren’t a political debate and being gay is something you’re born with.
you’re right! trans women attracted to the opposite sex weren’t born gay. but lesbians were born homosexual females. heterosexual males can’t be lesbians bc it’s not a choice. homosexual females can’t be attracted to males bc we’re born gay. thanks for agreeing with me that there’s no such thing as a trans woman lesbian or a male/female lesbian relationship. it’s homophobic to say heterosexual males can be lesbians or in lesbian relationships. you’re going to get lesbians correctively raped by male penises or killed if you keep telling predatory straight trans women they can be with lesbians knowing none of us can be attracted to turn by the fact of our births.
@marshall-is-away this is abuse. Cause this is pure gaslighting. Disgusting manipulation of words.
You say corrective rape is commited by men and then say its bigotry of lesbians for not forcing themselves to be raped by men who simply state they are woman.
Just like the tra who didnt answer what is a female, you wont answer what are lesbians attracted to if not sex? What womanly gender stereotype attract us? The word woman and she her pronouns attract english speaking lesbians? Im brazilian.. brazilian lesbians are attracted to those who say they are “mulher” and to the pronouns ela/dela?! Explain why corrective rape and conversion therapy have the intention of making lesbians like male bodies if according to you disgusting trans activists, lesbians already do. Lesbians and gay men are oppressed by religions, politics and society because of what?
can u imagine being blatantly transphobic in the lgbT community? pick a struggle 🤪
the shared experience of same sex attraction is the only reason the lgbt came together. why would you pretend to care about a community made by gay ppl when you hate gay ppl and want lesbians forced into heterosexual relationships with trans women they can’t be attracted to? you’re blatantly homophobic and what you call transphobic is…..being born gay lol. guess all the same sex attracted trans ppl who were the reason for the t are transphobes too. funny how the only ppl who won’t be transphobic by your screwy logic are opposite sex attracted. wow. you’re full of heteronormativity and anti-gay bigotry, but what else do we expect from a white girl who self describes as an “androsexual”. be more pathetic.
umm honey u kno we’re part of the same community right? You’re spewing the same J.K Rowling bullshit these other terfs are. “ohh its same sex attraction!” its same gender attraction in a lot of cases Linda. go sit down swear on ya fuckin YEEZYS
what the fuck is same gender attraction? a fetish? how can you be attracted to gender? how does that work for closeted trans ppl or nonbinary ppl, or anyone who doesn’t pass? you think ppl can read minds? how does this apply to all the gender identities in other cultures? how are you this racist and stupid? a preference for masculinity, femininity, or androgyny is not a separate sexuality. most ppl who make up this dumb sga shit are transhets pretending they’re gay when they’re straight and attracted to the opposite sex or bisexuals with a masc or fem preference who want to be seen as gay when they’re in straight relationships.
im not saying what terfs or jkr say, im saying what all gay ppl say. every single gay person is attracted to the same sex only. why do we have to keep telling you hateful morons it’s not a choice? all gay rights are based on loving the same sex. that’s why straight trans ppl weren’t a part of the lgbt until the last decade.
i don’t share a community with ppl who hate gays and bisexuals for our same sex attraction. you’re mistaken. you don’t belong. nobody wants you. sorry if that’s triggering bc you already hear that from your family and friends, but it’s the truth. you’re unwanted and it’s all your fault bc we can’t be stop being gay but you can stop being homophobic.
did u seriously just ask me what gender is. and then call me racist? while YOURE the one forgetting intersex ppl??? gender is the fucking gender(or lack thereof if thats ur case) you are in your brain. Are we done here? can u grow up and educate urself on ur own??
also trans ppl only becoming part of the lgbt community last decade? i dont believe it but if its right it just means we’ve worked even harder than you ever will and your privilege is showing. go sit down mama, your legs must hurt from carrying all that bigotry~!
intersex describes a number of genetic disorders during sex development and literally has nothing to do with the sociocultural construct of gender identity. you have to be kidding me. the brain is not gendered at all. sounds like im the only educated person here. how do you explain gender identities from nonwhite cultures if it’s allegedly about some magical brain essence that doesn’t show up on brain scans and can’t be measured any way other than self reported feelings? gender roles have always looked different in various places throughout history. just like racial brain differences, biologicals and neuroscientists disproved the idea of gendered brains many times over years and years ago.
you really live in a bizarro world. the t wasn’t added for straight trans ppl. it was the straight ones who were too privileged, not dying from poverty or medical neglect (aids), never facing violence or discrimination, enjoying all the social and legal privileges afforded to their heterosexuality, who only joined in the last decade bc they don’t share the lgbt fight. they came for a party. we made this community to fight for the rights of the same sex attracted but you transhets wouldn’t understand bc you have all the rights you could possibly want. this isn’t a social club. for many the lgbt came together as life and death. ppl gave their lives to this community you hate on bc lesbians don’t like dick and gay men don’t like vaginas. the privilege is entirely yours. you are completely blind to the fact the lgbt was borne of struggle bc you’ve never struggled. you really are a homophobic piece of shit.
@marshall-is-away hey incel - please die.
Can’t believe we’re back to arguing lesbianism again.
So usually I am not posting anything about LGBT topics. My knowledge stance from a few courses in university and my own experience. I would like to suggest that lesbians and trans people both have very individual experiences with their identities. Not all lesbians are attracted to sex only but some are. Maybe it depends on your relation to sexual activity and how each individual experiences the act of sex previously in their life. Both ways of being are perfectly alright. The desire to be included as a trans woman who feels attracted to other women is also absolutely valid. It is not helpful to call people terf just because they might not be attracted to you or feel that their own personal definition is not applicable to trans women with Male genitals. There is a difference between not feeling attracted to something and hating it. Furthermore, the notion of being born this way is no longer the way academics view it. At least where I had my courses. Due to fluidity and the argument that people who later develop an attraction to the same sex are just as valid as those who always felt that way. And people who change their attraction over their life time should not have their homosexual experiences down played. Which of course does not mean that conversion therapy or corrective rape are anything else but harmful and disturbing and cruel.
sigh. listen to yourself! sexuality is fluid means bisexuality isn’t a 50/50 preference and they can have different feelings about both sexes at different times. it doesn’t mean everyone’s sexuality is fluid. do you know that modern conversion therapy rebranded itself as safe-t: sexual attraction fluidity exploration in therapy? that’s a pretty good sign that gay ppl aren’t fluid. all the research shows our identities tend to be fixed. once we come out to ourselves as gay, we don’t go with the opposite sex years later.
if you don’t know anything about gay ppl except some biased postmodern academic theories, why would you say “not all lesbians are attracted to sex only but some are”????? why would you make it sound like gay women are a minority of lesbians? ALL lesbians are attracted to the same sex only. the two criteria to being a lesbian are being born female and homosexual. there’s no such thing as a lesbian attracted to both sexes, bc someone attracted to both sexes is bisexual. there’s no such thing as a lesbian who likes males sexually, bc then conversion therapy and corrective rape would work and it wouldn’t make any sense to oppress gay ppl bc gay sex doesn’t make babies if we were always capable of enjoying hetero intercourse. this statement of yours absolutely downplays all the discrimination we face as lesbians bc it says most of us are as male attracted as straight and bi females and very few of us lesbians are gay.
while it is understandable that trans women want their gender to always matter, sometimes their sex does. they have to take a step back and remember as males and heterosexuals they oppress lesbians. many of them only want to be treated as lesbians bc they’re autogynephiles who have a porn fantasy about lesbians. fetishization goes hand in hand with hate. careful how much you validate straight trans women who want to use their privilege to erase female homosexuality. that’s not a personal definition, either. the universal definition of a lesbian is an exclusively same sex attracted biological female. this is not up for debate. homosexuality exists and the common word for a female homosexual is lesbian.
maybe your college courses brainwashed you. bc this isn’t determined by individuals. this is the scientific consensus. lesbians don’t have dicks or like dicks. just leave us alone. id rather argue with the openly homophobic like @marshall-is-away than with milquetoast pseudoallies speculating how gay ppl probably don’t exist. your straight and sometimes bi humanities professors might tell you “born this way” is outdated. they’re the same chumps who told us gay rights are heteronormative. they don’t speak for us. the biologists, neuroscientists, and everyone else know we’re born this way. since you aren’t gay, how about you keep this to yourself. it would’ve been enough to say not being attracted to something isn’t hate. you didn’t have to reassure the bigots that the conversion therapists and western neoliberals are probably more right about gay ppl than actual gay ppl.
how the hell can you say trans people haven’t struggled?!?!?! STONEWALL (AKA THE MOST FAMOUS LGBT RIOT IN HISTORY AND THE REASON YOU CAN ENJOY THE PRIVILEGE YOU HAVE TODAY) WAS STARTED BY TRANS WOMEN. there are staggering statistics showing how trans people have struggled. don’t you dare call yourself “educated” when you clearly haven’t done your research. trans teen have the highest rates of suicide and self harm out of any other demographic. trans high school and college students have higher chances of being raped or assaulted. TRANS PEOPLE ARE MORE THEN 3 TIMES AS LIKELY TO BE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED THEN CIS PEOPLE. I would know, I’m part of those numbers. so don’t you dare say I haven’t struggled, and that my trans brothers and sisters haven’t. Do some fucking research and educate yourself before trying to speak like you’re an authority on something. Also, in a survey done by The Advocate, it was found that 52% of the gay and lesbian people interviewed would be comfortable dating a trans person, and that it didn’t make them any less gay. don’t try and speak for all lesbians when you’re not representing them properly.
People literally responded to all of the above before so please READ and take your head out of your American butt, holy crap. Really Americans are obsessed with erasing the rest of the world, 'uuuh stone wall, uuuh twans people are more likely to be raped and killed" yeah? Because where I live ten women are raped and murdered every fucking day just for having vulvas so shut your priviledged mouth and stop throwing around demographics that only apply to your country and context.
"identifying" out of your gender is a privilege, and is accessible to males and privileged females (FOR EXAMPLE, white females in countries like the USA) Female children in Mexico can't identify out of girlhood, saying they're men won't make them safer than any other girl, and they can be that one girl under the age of 4 that is raped and murdered every fucking day here. It's not Vietnam, is not Africa, is happening right across the fucking wall, in Tijuana.
Jesus Christ, really just shut up and take a step back to see the whole picture.
“Stop watching porn. I don’t rail against pornography because I get a kick out of losing friends. I am challenging it because I have evidenced its violent ramifications via molestation, suicide, and murder firsthand. Stop playing devil’s advocate for porn. I don’t just want you to stop consuming porn. I want you to entrench the degradation and suffering of its victims so deeply into your heart that you are compelled to fight against it for the rest of your life. Stop tolerating porn. I don’t need you to feel bad for the individuals in porn who have had “bad experiences.” I need you to feel furious about how an entire class of people - women - are subjugated as a whole. Stop masturbating to porn. I don’t want you to do this for the sheer fact that porn rewires your brain via the limbic system to associate degradation and humiliation with orgasms and pleasure. I want you to do this because you were humane enough to stop being a mindless masturbating drone and took the time to read about the pornography industry, about its sexist, racist, misogynistic, anti-woman, pro-masculinity, pro-trafficking, pro-rape history and recognized that all women deserve better than pornography and prostitution has to offer. I am telling you now. If you consume porn, you are complicit in the sexual abuse and rape of children; you are complicit in a world that hates women; you are complicit for the entire spectrum of harm that cascades outwardly from pornography.”
— Michael Lovan (via ourwildways)
unpopular opinion, but there's a difference between being a radfem or gender critical and just being a (straight) person who's just clearly annoyed because a person of the opposite sex is crossdressing
Women in Mexico disappear.
Today is a historic day in my country, we’re fed up with gender violence in Mexico. They’re killing us. Picture this, you can’t walk outside your own house because you fear the worst, you fear that your clothes are too revealing, you fear that you’re too alone, you fear that you’re walking the wrong streets. Day after day you wake up to the news of another feminicide. They’re killing us. You see it, you hear it, you fear it. What if I’m the next one? You’re always wondering. They’re killing us.
10 women are killed every day, only because they’re women. And it doesn’t matter where we are, what we’re wearing, who we are. It’s not our fault, because they keep killing us.
If we keep up at this rate? What’ll be of us?
Yesterday we marched.
(None of the pictures are mine)
“I march because I’m alive and I don’t know until when.”
“Today, all our voices aren’t together because, from death, one can’t scream.”
“We’re not hysteric, we’re historic.”
“Mom, if you don’t find me, look up for me in the stars.”
Yesterday we screamed. We flourished.
“Mom, don’t worry, today I’m not alone in the streets.”
Our monuments bled to represent us.
We screamed.
But not today, today march 9th 2020. We silenced ourselves.
Today, we disappeared. No social networks, not a single woman in the streets, not a single woman working, not a single woman studying, not a single woman at any store.
What would Mexico be without us? If you don’t want us in the streets, fine we’ll disappear.
Without us, you’ll collapse.
Mexico woke up with no women ticket-sellers in the subway stations, no women tellers at the bank.
No women’s column on the newspapers.
No women at their jobs.
No women at school.
No women on the streets.
Mexico woke up with no women.
We can’t accept what we can’t change, but we will change what we can’t accept.
We are angry, and we will rise. Because without us, you’re nothing.
Thinking About Boy Children, December 1989 I’ve been thinking a lot about the issue of boy children since a really ugly incident erupted at the East Coast Lesbian Festival over the Labor Day weekend, 1989. The festival brochure stated ‘girlcare’ was available, a positive way of saying this is a female-only event. Two Lesbians, co-mothers of an 18 month old boy, circumvented the organizers’ intention by caring for their boy themselves and being discreet about his gender. Their subterfuge was uncovered, revealed to all in a most unpleasant way. The mothers awoke on the last morning of the festival to find their cabin covered with signs: Pricklet Go Home; No Males In Lesbian Space; No Pricks Allowed… Needless to say, the mothers were furious. They asked for support, and they got it. A contingent of pro-boy Lesbians demanded mike time on the stage before the final concert at noon. The organizers, Lin Daniels and Myriam Fougere, demurred, citing lack of time for public discussion, voicing concern for the performers’ feelings and their valuable equipment, in place on the stage. ‘We are going to read a statement from the stage,’ they announced. ‘You can have it peacefully, with no danger to the equipment; or we can storm the stage. It is your choice.’ Because of the threat, the organizers gave in. The statement, filled with generalizations about love and peace and ‘lets respect our diversity,’ was received with cheers and applause by most of the Lesbians present. In the meantime, Myriam and Lin drafted Julia Penelope to make a pro Lesbian-only, women-only space statement. She spoke and was booed. She was hissed. She was yelled at. She was called names. ‘If it wasn’t for your father, you wouldn’t be here,’ screamed the Lesbian behind me, followed by roars of approval from others around us. Hundreds of furious Lesbians, their faces distorted by rage, shook their fists in the air. ‘You don’t speak for me,’ they shouted, forgetting in their passion for the rights of boys and their mothers, that Julia belonged to the Lesbian diversity they were respecting moments before. Most of the festival goers were under forty years old. They haven’t known a time without a visible Lesbian community. Most of them have not experienced their Lesbian life without the presence of Lesbian organizations and groups, newsletters, bookstores, books, records, concerts, festivals; doctors, therapists, psychics, chiropractors; Marches on Washington; Gay Pride Day, DESERT HEARTS and LIANNA in their consciousness, if not their own town. In fact, the Lesbians booing Julia Penelope, for reminding us how little Lesbian-only or women-only space there is on the planet and how much of what we did have is gone, haven’t known a time when there was no turkey-baster or physician-supervised ‘artificial’ insemination for Lesbians at all. As for Julia Penelope, she is one of those ‘Older Lesbians,’ those 'before Stonewall’ Lifelong Lesbians, the kind of Lesbian that younger Lesbians say they 'need’ as role models, that they 'admire’ for their courage. She is also the Lesbian who brought us one the Lesbian community’s most loved books, the original Coming Out Stories. She is one of the countless Lesbians who created the visible Lesbian community, wresting Lesbian space from the homophobia in the Women’s Liberation Movement and the sexism in the Gay Liberation Movement. She did her share of demonstrating, organizing, confronting, teaching, writing, editing, speaking out for Lesbian rights, helping to make Lesbians visible to ourselves and others. Yet she was booed from the stage by hundreds of Lesbians for trying to remind us how precious Lesbian space is, booed by Lesbians who have never really been without it. It was a dreadful experience for me, one I have thought about and discussed often since it happened. I was stunned by the fury unleashed upon Julia. Why were so many Lesbians so passionately angry? I talked to some of them at the time. They said they were angry at the Lesbians who sneaked in the night and tacked the signs on the cabin. They hated the signs, too, said they were 'hateful.’ They hated the way mothers were treated. They seemed to see no incongruity between their delight in being at a festival that was bravely billed as a LESBIAN, rather than as a WOMEN’S event and their rage at Julia for supporting the organizers’ boy-free as well as man-free policy. None of the Lesbians who defended the right of boys to attend a Lesbian event gave a thought to the right of girls to enjoy a few days free from the teasing, bullying, name-calling and ridicule that is common to boys in a group. I thought about the two mothers who assumed they had the right to bring their boy to a Lesbian, male-free event. They are part of the growing numbers of Lesbians who are taking advantage of changing cultural attitudes, and are becoming mothers outside of licensed, state-supported sexual reproduction. They are the avant-garde in the world-wide movement toward the separation of the erotic from the reproductive in human life. They are the new Lesbian mothers, insisting they will raise a new generation of boys, non-sexist and caring about the rights of women. Yet the attitude of these mothers was positively reactionary. They could use Lesbian-only, woman-only spaces as opportunities to teach their manchild that women have the right to limit male access to our spaces, our persons. Instead, they chose to allow hundreds of Lesbians to champion his right to erase a brief time of woman-only space for us all. That is male privilege, alive and flourishing in the heart of a Lesbian feminist community, and this particular innocent baby had already experienced it. The experience will be intensified for him, and for all the other boy children like him, every time their mothers, and their many supporters, challenge woman-only space at events they attend, and every time they angrily absent themselves from woman-only events, complaining about 'reverse sexism’ and discrimination. In trying to understand the why of such behavior, I found myself thinking of our female problems with boundary and access issues of all kinds. When I hear Lesbian mothers say they have been excluded from a woman-only space because their boy children cannot attend, I have to believe they are having trouble establishing boundaries between themselves and their children. They are fusing with the children, responding as if they and the children are one. The irony is that the Lesbians who are supporting them also see them as fused, and are supporting that fusion. This kind of Lesbian motherhood sounds to me like a minor variation of pre-Women’s Liberation Movement oppressive motherhood, when mother was expected to put a child and HIS interests first before all things that might be necessary, important, pleasurable for her. When children have, or 'know’ they should have, unlimited access to their mother’s time, space, resources, person, boy children learn that mothers/women exist to take care of them, while the girls, even those who grow up to be Lesbians, learn to be the caregivers of men. I am beginning to think that the Lesbians who created this particular uproar in favor of male access to woman-only space, and the countless other feminists and Lesbians who did the same in the past, are acting out of their unconscious, internalized, female oppression, out of the training they received to be 'women,’ that is to be mothers and wives of men, their caregivers, in the system of dominance and subordination we call the patriarchal family. Because of our training, we are unable to be 'selfish.’ We can’t put our interests and needs, and those of our oppressed sisters and the organizations dedicated to freeing us, ahead of the needs of men. We are still passionately committed to fulfilling the needs of men, whether they are our AIDS afflicted Gaymen brothers, our abusive 'misunderstood’ fathers, or our blameless boy children at a Lesbian event. And we are ready to trash any Lesbian sister who tries to stop us. P.S. Kay Hagan has written a small, brilliant pamphlet, 'Codependency and the Myth of Recovery; A feminist scrutiny,’ which bridges the space between feminist analysis of the family and twelve step programs approach to family.
Are You Girls Traveling Alone? Marilyn Murphy, 1991. (via lesbianfeminists)
The most important takeaway for anyone scrolling past a long quote post: They could use Lesbian-only, woman-only spaces as opportunities to teach their manchild that women have the right to limit male access to our spaces, our persons. Instead, they chose to allow hundreds of Lesbians to champion his right to erase a brief time of woman-only space for us all. That is male privilege, alive and flourishing in the heart of a Lesbian feminist community, and this particular innocent baby had already experienced it.
(via our-common-condition)
womanhood is just *internalizes the male gaze* *fantasizes about cutting parts off with scissors* *is demonized for existing* *imagines going feral* *finds blood in the sheets* *performs feminity to avoid brutalization* *breaks down* *inherits our mothers trauma* *attempts to heal before the next violation* *fights for something better* *survives* *sees all the women in the media who didnt survive* *survives* *survives*
I want to thank gringo TRAs for expanding their violent and misogynistic rhetoric to other places like Mexico. Now, thanks to them, Mexican lesbians and feminists have to watch their backs from yet another group of men. In a country where 9 women are killed every day and with the highest femicide rate of all of latin america since the start of 2019, we women really didn’t need your stupid ass ideology of “punching” women. Men don’t need reasons to kill us, but now they’ve got another excuse to do so.
Fuck you
ELSA TERF ICON Y'ALL
Hi. I'm questioning my orientation. I'm not asking you to tell me what I am, just confirm a couple definitions. If a lesbian is a "female homosexual," then are they attracted to those of the same sex (e.g., perhaps a trans man or nonbinary person who both have vulvas)? I would not want to have sex with someone with a penis/am not attracted to penises, so pre-op trans men or post-op trans women would be fine (i'm not trying to be transphobic, please correct me). What is the terminology I need?
Absolutely none of those definitions are correct.
In the United States, Canada, and some other places, ‘h*mosexual’ is a slur. It is not part of the definitions of Queerness. Furthermore, its meaning has changed significantly in living memory. The term and identity ‘bisexual’ didn’t exist until around 1970 and the slur applied to anyone attracted to their own gender.
“Female” and “male” are synonymous with “woman” and “man” respectively. There is no scientific distinction between sex and gender, because both of these concepts are the same social construct, i.e. the modern western gender binary. Gender in humans has a bimodal distribution (like this), but that doesn’t mean there are two genders and that’s it and that everyone fits into one box or the other.
If what you’re attracted to is genitals, buy a fleshlight and get therapy. If you’re a non-paraphiliac person who is attracted to people first, then I guarantee you that you’ve found someone attractive who happened to have a penis. You don’t look in people’s pants before you decide if you’re attracted to them.
If you have a trauma issue regarding penises, check out our penis repulsion tag. If you like trans men, then you like men and are probably bi. If you don’t like men in general, then you’re fetishizing trans men and misgendering them; don’t do that. If you find a woman attractive until she tells you she’s trans and happens to have a penis, then you’re a transmisogynist. We’re talking about who you’re attracted to here, and obviously no one is saying you Must have sex with someone who has a penis. Obviously you are cis and don’t understand what it is to be transgender which is not exactly going to endear you to many trans people so it’s a moot point anyway.
-*Mod Star*
“homosexual is a slur” is it crack. is it crack that you smoke.
homosexual is a slur but “queerness” is just fine
Imagine having to do this mental gymnastics to explain your woke homophobic beliefs
can transwomen just… stop fetishizing girlhood. enough. it’s not yours.
I used to live with two transwomen and they’d talk with such longing about the “girlhood they never had.” They both felt they’d been robbed of the experience of having a group of girl friends and all this stereotypical “girl” shit. I pointed out that I’d never experienced any of the things they were describing and that everything they thought girlhood was, everything they thought they’d been robbed of was a just a hollywood lie they saw in a movie. And they were basically like “no but I really wish I’d had the girlhood I deserved.”
“i wish i’d had the girlhood i deserved” and i wish actual girls had had the girlhoods they deserved, but they don’t want to hear from actual women what it was like to grow up female. at a certain point their fantasy becomes a full-blown fetish, usually in the pornsick ones, and it’s just… so insulting and so removed from reality. if any other class of people actively fetishized the childhoods of an oppressed group they’d be rightfully roasted out of existence.
I wish I had a girlhood free of hate for my body, but thatsnot cute.
what kind of girlhood do they want? the kind of girlhood where the little boys in your family are treated considerably better than the little girls? the kind of girlhood where your family scolds you for being unladylike, where your family tells you that you’re “grown now, and can’t just mess around” at the age of 6? the kind of girlhood where you’re shamed for the way you sit, because girls like you shouldn’t sit with their legs apart? the kind of girlhood where you’re forced into skirts and dresses? the kind of girlhood where you’re told at the age of 12 that it’s your time to help in the kitchen, while your boy cousins and men alike sit in front of the tv during holiday gatherings? the kind of girlhood where you’re shamed for having body hair as soon as you start puberty, where your mom tells you to wear longer trousers and shirts so “people wouldn’t have to see that jungle?” the kind of girlhood where you’re pressured to wear makeup, to conform to the roles you’re expected to conform to? the kind of girlhood where you’re forced into a box because “real girls do xyz, why can’t you?” the girlhood that comes with so much self-hatred? do they wonder why eating disorders are prevalent among girls, why depression and anxiety are so common in young girls that people are actively having a laugh at “depressed white girls on the internet” but they don’t wonder why we’re depressed anxious and starving ourself and changing ourselves and grow up into women that hate themselves because our body isn’t perfect and our body will never be like the bodies of women we were bombarded with in ads our entire lives. they don’t wonder. they don’t care.
all they care about is their own fantasy. yeah i have fantasies too, about being allowed to exist comfortably in my own body.
you don’t know what it’s like to be a little girl, and you never will. all you’ll know is the perversion of it that you’ve come up with on your own. because you don’t know how bad we have it.
Transphobic gibberish. 🙄
Ooo dismissive eye rolling.
Scathing assessment and a cogent rebuttal!
If they didn’t want us to call them fetishists, they could always try not fetishizing girls and girlhood.
Except we don’t fetishing girls or girlhood. That is purely an assertion of you idiots.
If you got your heads out of your asses, we could have a civil conversation, but you’re obsessed with your strawmen.
aren’t you a lolicon
No, I’m not. But thank you for doing what literally everyone who brings up that accusation does and using it as an ad-hominem. Consistently using that silencing tactic really demonstrates how fucking afraid y’all are of a trans woman responding to your bullshit.
no i’m just not interested in spending my time compiling examples of pedophilic behavior from trans-identified males so that you can say they don’t count lmao why should i care about convincing someone who thinks he’s a woman? good to hear you’re not a pedo tho
except he’s lying, he’s 10000% a lolicon and @discyours has a whole thing of receipts on it
You sound exactly like any dude mansplaining and using old-ass Latin terms to seem "intelligent", but we all know you are full of shit. I just denounced one just like you for harassing women on Facebook, he was a straight white guy.
And you sound exactly like him.