“You won’t listen to both sides of the story”
Uh what both sides? Literally I can’t tell what he thinks happened. On one hand you have the “she was sober” part. The other hand was “drunk people can consent before they get drunk”. Which last I checked is still false. Consent has to be able to be withdrawn. If a girl is piss drunk and couldn’t consent then, then she can’t consent.
Saying someone should be able to push you off, is rape apologism. It shouldn’t take pushing you off to stop you, and if that’s how you withdraw consent, then yeah, people seriously are going to think you’re lying. That’s how that works.
“I apologized”. You threatened Rocco. You lied to and manipulated Rocco. You blackmailed them. The third one is a punishable offence in what I know to be three countries, possibly more. The fact that the second one is abuse, means no one has to forgive you.
If you were forgiven, get the person to say it publically? Shady DMs don’t help. Especially when no one else heard about this, and you’re known to lie and manipulate people.
“People who don’t rape people are worse than people that do.” Disgusting. Just, fucking disgusting. You call people rape apologists, rapists, abusers and abuse apologists, but to think someone who hasn’t harmed anyone, is as bad as someone scarring and hurting another person, is disgusting.
“CSA survivors and other abuse survivors in the server think I’m right” they also participated in what many other victims call rape apologism. I don’t think you’re right. You scare me, and I’m not scared of people usually.
I don’t want to meet Ollie. I would meet any other anti, but Ollie. I done condone the harassment from the other post still, and I might not have read this one through, but this actually sums up what is going on.
I’ve been waiting for Ollie to defend himself. To tell us wrong.
But so far he’s admitted to what he’s done, and instead of showing remorse, he’s upset.
“How dare you call me a rapist, that’s a slur” no. No it’s not a slur. It’s an identifyer. Like abuser. Like predator. Catfisher. Liar. Anti. Manipulator. Blackmailer.
You aren’t supposed to want to be called a rapist. You aren’t ALLOWED to choose if you get the label. If you’ve raped someone, then you’re a rapist. Whether you’re comfortable with it or not.
You think FICTION is worse than the perceived crimes. That tells me not to trust you.
The reason why I keep up with the Ollie situation is because in all of this, we have him admit he’s said and done things, but X is worse. Rather than defend himself, ACTUALLY DEFEND HIMSELF he deflects. He blames the victims.
Yes, a woman can have sex and consent to it, but regret it later. This has led to false rape accusations. Those are minimal.
Ollie has admitted to saying he was going to have sex with a girl, whether she wanted it or not. That was his intentions. After lying and saying he was a girl himself. Hiding his gender and identity from someone who didn’t want to interact with him.
“Poor choice of wording” doesn’t cover that. That’s not a poor choice of wording. That’s manipulation, and the words there, that’s saying you would have raped her. That’s not a poor word choice, because there’s absolutely no other way you could have said it better.
Unless your intentions were to coerce her into sex.
I’m astounded by how far Ollie will go to excuse what he’s said and done, rather than take responsibility.
I want to bring back the, “tea and consent” video, or whatever that is.
Because it had a nice subject on inebriation.
You cannot have sex while the other party is inebriated. They cannot give informed consent, they can’t take away consent. It doesn’t matter if they consented before.
If I read it properly, it also says they’re a minor. Which I’m sorry, but that immediately says, N o.
You cannot get an adult “piss drunk” - read completely inebriated - and have sex with them without it being rape. Consent beforehand or not, they can legally charge you with rape. Passing out has nothing to do with it, it’s that they can’t think properly.
Nope how about I check. 149 countries in the world don’t allow minors to drink. So yeah, not consent.
Pretty sure you can get charged if they are a minor.
Ollie situation ongoing, still sucks.