āYou wonāt listen to both sides of the storyā
Uh what both sides? Literally I canāt tell what he thinks happened. On one hand you have the āshe was soberā part. The other hand was ādrunk people can consent before they get drunkā. Which last I checked is still false. Consent has to be able to be withdrawn. If a girl is piss drunk and couldnāt consent then, then she canāt consent.
Saying someone should be able to push you off, is rape apologism. It shouldnāt take pushing you off to stop you, and if thatās how you withdraw consent, then yeah, people seriously are going to think youāre lying. Thatās how that works.
āI apologizedā. You threatened Rocco. You lied to and manipulated Rocco. You blackmailed them. The third one is a punishable offence in what I know to be three countries, possibly more. The fact that the second one is abuse, means no one has to forgive you.
If you were forgiven, get the person to say it publically? Shady DMs donāt help. Especially when no one else heard about this, and youāre known to lie and manipulate people.
āPeople who donāt rape people are worse than people that do.ā Disgusting. Just, fucking disgusting. You call people rape apologists, rapists, abusers and abuse apologists, but to think someone who hasnāt harmed anyone, is as bad as someone scarring and hurting another person, is disgusting.
āCSA survivors and other abuse survivors in the server think Iām rightā they also participated in what many other victims call rape apologism. I donāt think youāre right. You scare me, and Iām not scared of people usually.
I donāt want to meet Ollie. I would meet any other anti, but Ollie. I done condone the harassment from the other post still, and I might not have read this one through, but this actually sums up what is going on.
Iāve been waiting for Ollie to defend himself. To tell us wrong.
But so far heās admitted to what heās done, and instead of showing remorse, heās upset.
āHow dare you call me a rapist, thatās a slurā no. No itās not a slur. Itās an identifyer. Like abuser. Like predator. Catfisher. Liar. Anti. Manipulator. Blackmailer.
You arenāt supposed to want to be called a rapist. You arenāt ALLOWED to choose if you get the label. If youāve raped someone, then youāre a rapist. Whether youāre comfortable with it or not.
You think FICTION is worse than the perceived crimes. That tells me not to trust you.
The reason why I keep up with the Ollie situation is because in all of this, we have him admit heās said and done things, but X is worse. Rather than defend himself, ACTUALLY DEFEND HIMSELF he deflects. He blames the victims.
Yes, a woman can have sex and consent to it, but regret it later. This has led to false rape accusations. Those are minimal.
Ollie has admitted to saying he was going to have sex with a girl, whether she wanted it or not. That was his intentions. After lying and saying he was a girl himself. Hiding his gender and identity from someone who didnāt want to interact with him.
āPoor choice of wordingā doesnāt cover that. Thatās not a poor choice of wording. Thatās manipulation, and the words there, thatās saying you would have raped her. Thatās not a poor word choice, because thereās absolutely no other way you could have said it better.
Unless your intentions were to coerce her into sex.
Iām astounded by how far Ollie will go to excuse what heās said and done, rather than take responsibility.
I want to bring back the, ātea and consentā video, or whatever that is.
Because it had a nice subject on inebriation.
You cannot have sex while the other party is inebriated. They cannot give informed consent, they canāt take away consent. It doesnāt matter if they consented before.
If I read it properly, it also says theyāre a minor. Which Iām sorry, but that immediately says, N o.
You cannot get an adult āpiss drunkā - read completely inebriated - and have sex with them without it being rape. Consent beforehand or not, they can legally charge you with rape. Passing out has nothing to do with it, itās that they canāt think properly.
Nope how about I check. 149 countries in the world donāt allow minors to drink. So yeah, not consent.
Pretty sure you can get charged if they are a minor.
Ollie situation ongoing, still sucks.