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We just had our 2025 Cangel reunion!!!
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David Boreanaz surprising Charisma Carpenter with a birthday cake at Comic Con Manchester
A little Cangel moment in Manchester (comic con)
ANGEL THE SERIES // 2.04 "Untouched"
When you tried to deny your feelings but your body can't
my Cangel heart is bursting ❤️
My cangelheart is beating faster and faster
AtS S5: Who Are You People?
I am fresh(ish) off my rewatch of AtS S5 and about to start Another Buffy Podcast's coverage of that season and I have some things to get out of my head.
First...Season 5 is often heralded as the best of AtS. And yes, there is a lot of pageantry and fun episodes and SPIKE IS THERE!!!! so people who like Spike (but especially his "funny" era, not his "romantic" era, which is to say the characterization in BtVS S4 and nowhere else) are gonna jive with it, no matter how little sense it makes for his character.
But for the most part, I'm not going to talk about Spike here. Because Spike is just one of the many problems with this season.
The largest problem is...we don't know these versions of these characters. We can't. Because these versions of these characters didn't exist until the finale of S4.
People are the sum of their experiences. I am who I am today because of the cumulative journey of all my yesterdays. If a butterfly flaps its wings, yadda yadda. Well, at the end of S4, Angel did something massive, arguably monstrous, and without explanation -- he removed the memories of the past however-many years from his teams' head.
So going into S5, we have no idea what these characters think they have been through.
This would not be a big issue if it were ever addressed, but it is not. We never once get a rundown of what the entirety of the series has been from the perspectives of MOST of our cast.
The problem with removing Connor is that Connor, whether on-screen or not, has been a plot engine going all the way back to S2. Sure, we don't learn that Angel assaulted boinked Darla because of a prophecy until S3, but that prophecy retroactively loops in the Angel/Darla plotline of the previous season to create Connor. Then, we have two whole seasons of Connor driving the story.
Why was Wesley ousted from the gang in Angel's new world? Was he? We never know.
Why is Cordelia in a coma in Angel's new world? We never know.
Did Fred and Gunn's relationship evolve/devolve the same in Angel's new world? We never know.
Did Wesley have an emotionally intense intimate relationship with Lilah in Angel's new world? We never know.
How was Jasmine conceived in Angel's new world? We never know.
There are so many major plot points that got us from S1 to S5 that are literally hand waved away, replacing the versions of the characters WE KNOW with versions who have lived stories we not only never saw, but have no idea never happened.
Something similar happened in Buffy with their S5, and involving a character who was, rather than removed from their memories, woven into them. And this could've been sloppy, too, if we'd never gotten to a point where the characters, particularly Buffy and Dawn, reckon with the reality that is they can't trust their own memories. If Dawn's inclusion into the story weren't the story itself. They spend a lot of time not only addressing the late-in-show anomaly that is "what you saw before isn't necessarily what came before for these characters," but devise the entire season around it. It feels intentional, not sloppy. And even so, adding Dawn does not require a lot of heavy lifting because she did not become relevant to plot until she was added to it, so you can easily fit her into S1-4 without having to massively overhaul the narrative.
Removing Connor has the opposite effect. So much of the AtS story that we have experienced is intrinsically tied around his existence, his actions, and his decisions.
If AtS S5 spent any time meaningfully exploring what removing Connor from the story did, the ethical implications, how it shaped the characters we're watching live their own version of an AU, or any of these things, it might have been great. And sure, I will allow for the fact that they did not anticipate S5 being the final season, so maybe there were plans to explore this more meaningfully if it continued. But the fact that there was no earnest attempt to explain to the audience who these people are now as a result of the lives they think they've led retroactively makes the rest of the series kinda...pointless? Like why should we watch any of S1-4 if the finale of the series largely ignores the driving force of the emotional journeys that came before? The only person in S5 who knows what happened in S1-4 is Angel, and this is only mentioned a few times, never actually explored.
The only time they come close to touching on the missing memories is a storyline involving Wesley. After Fred dies, he goes on a vengeance quest and eventually learns the truth about what happened -- but it's just Wesley, and nothing comes of it. He sits around and broods about what he learned, never confronts Angel about the memories he replaced, or the trauma of learning the past few years of his life were not lived the way he thought, or even, AT MINIMUM, what those years entailed. Again to compare to S5 of Buffy, we get numerous instances of the characters going, "Remember when this thing with Dawn happened?" only to realize, in mid-convo, it didn't, and having to grapple with that knowledge.
And here is why this is, IMO: the writers done fucked up. They knew it. They fucked up in S4, which is universally hated, with their treatment of Cordelia, with everything revolving around Connor's character, and they decided to hit the reset button. And that might work for some people -- if you engage on a surface level and are happy just to be rid of a character you don't like, regardless of what it means for the story, then sure. Fine. Whatever.
For me, someone who actually did enjoy AtS, I've always felt that S5 was a different show, and I had a hard time articulating why. I thought it was Spike's bizarre, character-arc-ignoring behavior. I thought it was the absence of Cordelia, who operated as the heart of the show for half of it, and how flippantly Angel went from being ride-or-die for Cordy to "ehh, she's in a coma." I thought it was the fact that they were tonally trying to match Buffy, when the entire reason people claimed AtS was the superior show was its darker, more mature themes and plots (in other words, things they insinuate Buffy did not have). And it is all those things, but it's also the fact that they made the journey we went on through S1-4, the good, the amazing, and the shittastic, completely irrelevant, and they never addressed that in a way that would make the decision to nuke all those storylines narratively satisfying. They just ignored it, and hoped the audience would too.
And a good part of the audience did. Which honestly fucking baffles me, because if they're fans of the show, don't they want the majority of the show they watched to have mattered? Even a little?
I guess not.
one of the reasons why the bangel scene in chosen is so jarring and out of place is that it simultaneously treats angel as if he’s been frozen in time since leaving btvs & hasn’t cultivated a life outside of buffy (namely his relationship with cordy and his son) WHILE ALSO giving him the goofy flirty personality that was completely nonexistent in btvs
hopesichord:
fuckyeahcordyangel:
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Things I love about C/A and I imagine @hotelsongs agrees with me on this one - the physicality of it. Their relationship (platonic or otherwise) is practically based on it, since they have to touch all the time because he’s always catching her when she gets her visions. I mean, he’s catching her in City Of and jumping off of balconies holding her, so it’s immediately based on this sense of catching because who are these people but people who fall and get back up again. And it’s just so important, this contact, because Angel doesn’t have contact, not physically or emotionally or really at all, for such a long time, and when he does it’s with Buffy, but with Buffy he’s so scared to touch her. He’s so worried about what that would do. Cordelia is an entirely different animal - her presence in his life in LA is, starting in City Of, one of contact, contact to the outside world, to humanity. This is explicit in-text stuff. And then that becomes physical contact, physical contact that is the drapery hiding the emotional contact and then, of course, the emotional contact bursts through and, ultimately, we have Angel in an alley in the pouring rain going down in battle because of a vision Cordelia gave him on contact.
And I know it’s 100% blasphemous to compare any relationship to Mulder and Scully but I’m sorry, I’m sticking with it. She’s his one in five billion. And the HANDS. Mulder/Scully is based off of gestures and being stuffed underground to investigate the things that go bump in the night. It’s about friendships that become something else, something surprising, something that will lead Dana Scully to say, “Well, it seems to me that the best relationships - the ones that last - are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship. You know, one day you look at the person and you see something more than you did the night before. Like a switch has been flicked somewhere. And the person who was just a friend is… suddenly the only person you can ever imagine yourself with.”
If Cordelia Chase had said the exact same thing it would make just as much sense. I’m sticking with it. I will one day make a picspam with Mulder/Scully quotes under C/A scenes. Watch this space. It’ll be the next Kermit Bale.
ANGEL THE SERIES // 2.18 "Dead End"
Angel: If Cordelia thinks she can just bat her pretty little eyes at me and get whatever she wants… she is absolutely right.
So accurate !!!
ats name meanings
CORDELIA- possibly Celtic in origin, unknown meaning. commonly thought to be an elaboration of the Latin “cor”, meaning heart
She is...when she left... Angel Investigations Lost his heart
ANGEL THE SERIES // 3.11 "Birthday"
sorry to SMG but i'm actually hyped that the buffy revival/reboot got cancelled before it even aired. TV reboots rarely (if ever) improve on the original and tend to do more harm than good. i think we need to get better at letting beloved media end. revisit it like an old friend whenever you need to, sure, but don't resurrect it. like a human becoming a vampire, it won't have the soul of the thing you once loved anymore.
Charisma & David at Fanboy Expo in Orlando. September 8th, 2024
Via Charisma’s mycon.live IG
CORDELIA CHASE + swords ⚔️ ANGEL THE SERIES (2.22) (3.06) (3.13) (3.19) (3.20) (4.04) & (5.12)
ANGEL & CORDELIA — Our Greatest What If
hey besties 🤍 today we open an old wound.
let’s talk about a love story that none of us expected… and that somehow hurt exactly because of that.
i’m talking about Angel and Cordelia.
we all arrived in Los Angeles carrying the ghost of Buffy. we thought we already knew what Angel’s great love looked like. we thought the bar had been set, sealed, untouchable.
and then something strange happened.
Cordelia grew.
what started as comic relief, the spoiled girl, the outsider presence from another show, slowly became the emotional center of the narrative. she matured, she suffered, she stayed. she chose him, again and again, not because of destiny, but because of understanding.
and that hit differently.
because for the first time Angel wasn’t loving an ideal. he was learning how to love someone who stood next to him in the real world.
their intimacy was built in conversations, glances, trust. it was slow. adult. earned.
and maybe that’s why we believed in it.
until the story lost control of itself.
the moment Connor arrived and the mythology started twisting Cordelia into someone else — or something else — the thread snapped. possession, confusion, pregnancy, revelations… drama kept piling up but the emotional truth disappeared.
and you can feel it as a viewer when writers are escalating instead of evolving.
what hurts the most is that when she finally comes back to him, when they finally say it, when they finally kiss…
she’s already leaving.
not a beginning. a goodbye disguised as closure.
romantic? yes. satisfying? not even close.
Angel and Cordelia became the definition of potential. of almost. of what if.
i loved them. i rooted for them. i still rewatch their scenes and feel that quiet, mature tenderness that could have been extraordinary.
but it never arrived.
it’s like waiting for the crescendo of a song that fades out instead.
and maybe that’s the real tragedy: not that they loved each other.
but that the story never let them live inside that love.
sometimes i wonder what would have happened if they had been brave enough to give Angel something radical — humanity, a future, a family, peace. a counterpoint to Buffy’s loneliness.
it would have been unexpected. it would have been risky.
it would have been beautiful.
so tell me.
were you Cangel believers? or did your heart never leave Bangel?
let’s scream.
Cangel forever.
need /nēd/ (verb) to require (something) because it is essential or very important.
[insp.]
Bonus: David Boreanaz agrees
To need someone when everything is down