But posting negative & offensive posts isn't making the fandom a safer place. Calling people nazi sympathizers, misogynstic & racist just because they like a character doesn't help. Many Ward fans don't defend his actions, but have provided proof that he isn't a neonazi & is indeed an abuse victim. Ward has done horrible things, but when I go to his tag, I don't want to be accused of being a nazi/rape sympathizer. Being aggressive just because some SWW fans are doesn't help the situation at all.
What a perfect example of a Ward apologist and their techniques, thank you, anon.
I’m sorry you don’t feel calling out problematic behavior in the fandom and stay alert about people spreading hurtful ideas and actually hurting real people in the process is important but I personally do.
Calling people nazi sympathizers, misogynstic & racist just because they like a character doesn’t help.
Mischaracterizing the anti-SWW fans, another usual tactic you assholes like to use. No one is calling people Nazi sympathizers because they like a character, even though this character happens to be a Nazi. We call them Nazi apologists because they have said Nazi apologizing stuff in this website many many oh so many fucking times and continue to try to bully people into buying their Nazi apologizing ideas or at least get people who oppose to their defense of a Nazi to shut up via harassment, acting like NeoNazism and antiseminism don’t exist in the real world or aren’t gaining popularity.
We are not calling people misogynistic because they like a character (even a misogynistic character, a sexual abuser and predator), we call them misogynistic because they have continuously said misogynistic stuff to defend Ward, like saying Skye left Providence with him “willingly”, saying Ward’s relationship with May was consensual or that she even initiated it, or erasing a canon rape threat and saying a lot of other amazing rape culture bullshit in the process, claiming REVERSE SEXISM ZOMG, victim-blaming Skye for not falling in the arms of her abuser, calling her a monster for defending herself, saying Simmons was awful for letting her Super Nazi disgusting piece of shit of a lab partner take the fall instead of giving herself and all her SHIELD intel up to Hydra, comparing Ward being a secret NeoNazi and working against the team to May spying on Coulson because she thought that would protect him or Skye not telling the team in the beginning he was in SHIELD to get information who was rightfully hers or Bobbi not telling she was in real!SHIELD which she believed would protect many people, continuously shitting on characters like Natasha Romanoff to prop Ward, ignoring how Ward abused Kara Palamas and was responsible for her death and and actually shipping a victim with her rapist, etc.
We don’t say Wardstans are racist because they like a character (even one who works for a fascist organization and holds fascist ideals and has victimized many people of color personally), we say they are racist for spreading racist rethoric in defense of a Nazi, like shitting on women of color constantly, denying how Ward has abused Skye, May and Kara, using Sam Wilson as the redemption tool of a NeoNazi, accusing Skye of being responsible for Trip’s death, shipping a woman of color with the NeoNazi who threatened to rape her, making a counter blog to a blog celebrating AoS characters of color and women because that blog wanted to be a Ward-free space, mocking Skye for saying Ward looks like a Hitler youth or characterizing her as ignorant for saying he is a Nazi with all its connotations, saying Mack deserved to die for some imagined wrongs yet Ward has to be forgiven and rehabilitated after multiple murders, kidnappings, terrorism and abuse, SAYING SKYE IS NOT A POC BECAUSE CHLOE BENNET LOOKS WHITE, mocking and harassing Chloe Bennet for being proud of being the lead of the show, reverse racism WELP, etc.
Spreading racist, misogynistic opinions in defense of a fictional character is still real racism and misogyny. You don’t get a pass because Ward does not exist.
Many Ward fans don’t defend his actions,
Said every Ward fan who then has gone on to defend his actions by: a) denying he’s a Nazi; b) erasing his sexual abuse of other characters; c) excusing his current actions because of his past; d) villifying the rest of characters, specially the ones most severly hurt by Ward; e) harass fans and crew and cast members who don’t agree with their non-canon toxic idea of the character and do not think Nazis and abusers deserve redemption arcs in popular fiction; f) a very long etc.
but have provided proof that he isn’t a neonazi & is indeed an abuse victim.
No, they haven’t provided “proof”, they have gone on more Nazi-apologizing tirades which are not supported by canon, logic or human sympathy, and then have gone on to try to paint our heroes as worse than Nazis. And stop mischaracterizing the anti-SWW, by the way, we have never said Ward is not an abuse victim. He is an abuse victim. We just say that him being an abuse victim does not excuse the way he has abused others, and that the way the SWWers use Ward’s past abuse to ignore his victims’ pain and exonerate him is incredibly problematic and pro-abuse.
but when I go to his tag, I don’t want to be accused of being a nazi/rape sympathizer.
Again, i have never tagged stuff as “grant ward” so why they fuck do you come to me with this again? Either you’re searching words instead of tag or you are on mobile, either way it’s not my fault, and you Wardstans need to stop trying to silence everyone who disagrees with you even when we never use your tags (in fact I tag most things as “anti sww” so that people wanting to avoid those posts can blacklist the tag, and it’s really easy to block me personally, which you should do instead of coming to my inbox with more unfounded Ward apologia).
Also if you like Ward but do not excuse his canonical NeoNazism or his canonical sex abuse towards other characters, why would you feel personally attacked by my words? If you do not do these things you are not part of the people I’m calling out. And if you excuse Ward’s canonical NeoNazism (like you have done in this ask) and his canonical sex abuse, then sorry, but why the hell should I give a shit about your comfort?
Being aggressive just because some SWW fans are doesn’t help the situation at all.
Ah this one is nice. It combines tone policing over the manner in which I express my anger at the racist, misogynistic way some bullies treat people in this fandom, with a minimizing of the situation by saying only “some SWW fans” are aggressive. No, the whole movement is gross and aggressive. There are no “good SWWers”. There are Grant Ward fans who might not be problematic, but ALL SWWers fans are problematic because their raison d’etre and the things they want belong to a racist, misogynistic, victim-blaming, Nazi-apologizing agenda.
Basically you came to my inbox after I explained I didn’t use the Grant Ward tags to still accuse me of something I didn’t do and to spew more Grant Ward apologia. Okay.