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We don’t see things as they are, we see them as we are. • Anaïs Nin, French-American novelist (1903-1977)
The only flaw with Gundam SEED Destiny is that Milton Friedman doesn’t show up and explain why the Destiny Plan is stupid with economics. It’s otherwise a good show.
Gundam SEED fans have waited 20 years for a movie.
20 years.
And now that it's finally released it's an animated wattpad fic.
When you wake up and open the group chat
You mean to tell me that the Gundam SEED movie is actually happening?
Valkyrie Lacus Clyne, by Shiraii-Kun. Shiraii's awesome and you should check out her work: https://ko-fi.com/shiraiikun/commissions
A decided destiny or freedom to resist- Gundam SEED Freedom
I've said before that the end of Destiny left Lacus in her personal worst case scenario - she doesn't want to be a leader, she doesn't want to be depended upon to rule. Lacus is someone who only makes decisions she's sure she won't regret, who only acts when she's completely certain - that's why she was resistance fighter who doesn't stay to exercise her influence after. She wants the future to grow organically, not be decided by her.
Judging by the tagline and title of the SEED movie, I feel confident that the movie is going to address her struggle of being in a position of power and thus being forced to make decisions daily, practical ones, ones that may conflict with her ideals.
They have chosen freedom over destiny - the struggle is going to be how to maintain it as more than just pretty words.
What if 'Gundam SEED' was told from Flay's point of view? How would they approach it? Would it have been better?
Cagalli lost her fire in Destiny?
I just wanted to rant a little bit about Cagalli in Gundam Seed Destiny. As I’ve been rewatching Gundam Seed, and now Destiny, I’ve found myself questioning so much about how the writers portrayed her. I remember on my very first watch through of Destiny, I hated everything they did to her. They made her go from a fiery warrior goddess to a wimp who didn’t know how to take charge. Her engagement to Jona felt like such a step back from who she was in Seed. I’ve since watched it a few times. This month was the first time I rewatched it since at least four to five years ago, and I feel like I’ve been able to grow a different perspective on her. I don’t feel as if she lost her fire, but rather that she was misplaced and unable to adapt to a changing environment. Seed Destiny was Cagalli’s journey into adapting to a new role forced on her, one she spent all of Seed running from. And it helped me love her character again, and see that while the writers did shit on her character, there was redemption. And I just want to write out how I saw that change.
I can start off with the Cagalli from Seed, who was introduced very early on as a rebel. She rebelled by going to Heliopolis, and discovering the Gundam weapons created by the Earth Alliance Forces, in spite of her real position as the daughter of the Chief Representative of Orb. Cagalli rebelled against her position in society, as someone who shouldn’t be on the front lines of a potential disaster zone. Her discovery of her father’s betrayal prompt so much more emotion from her, emotions we don’t understand until we learn who she is.
The second time we see Cagalli, she is in the desert, and she is fighting with an actual resistance group against a dangerous ZAFT enemy. Like before, Cagalli is on the front lines, and is out of her position as a political leader. She is a follower, the front line fighter. This position is suited to her here, where she once again disguises herself. It is this version of Cagalli that we see throughout Gundam Seed. The young woman who will race up to the front lines, despite being thoroughly underprepared, and attempt to change the tides of war. Fittingly, she is given the name the Goddess of Victory. Although we only see this side of her, we are given hints of her actual lineage in how she supports the resistance crew, by providing arms. There is too much duality to Cagalli, and the duality is hidden by her overt acts of expression. She can askew any sort of doubt about herself by being the first one on the scene. Even if it is strange that she has a bodyguard, and that she has this much access to weapons, she still proves she is a worthy fighter and a strong figure in every scene.
This leads to various scenes where the writers attempt to convey that she is out of her real position, as a political, feminine figure, by making her wear dresses. The only overt issue is that she is uncomfortable when she steps out of her role as a rebel. She is forced to do something she doesn’t want to, and she doesn’t know how to fit this role. This is the primary issue with her character going into Destiny. The dress scenes in Gundam Seed highlight that she is not ready to change, and the instant she can, she discards all of this as a costume. For Cagalli, the Princess of Orb is a costume she wears to appease others. In Seed, she does not like to appease others and instead stands for her own ideals. In every single scene, or any opening shot or anything where Cagalli is in a dress, her character does not look comfortable.
This version of Cagalli carries forth into meeting Athrun on the Onogoro Islands. There, Athrun encounters a version of a woman that doesn’t follow the same prettified, idealized feminism that he is used to. He meets exactly what most women are not - rebels, fire starters. Cagalli is beautiful and female but she does not act as if she is. This is what I loved most about their relationship. Athrun does not expect Cagalli to be a woman and fall into her station in Gundam Seed, instead, he says he will support and protect the person she is. He understands her qualms with her world.
That beauty of their relationship is seen in the latter half of Gundam Seed, once Athrun has joined the Archangel.
In the original Seed dub, Athrun says they will protect each other. In the new dub, he says he will protect her. I prefer the original, because it shows that he trusts her to protect him. He has seen the fire and he has seen how much she will fight for what she believes in. Even despite the new dub, where he says he will protect her, it still shows that Athrun has given into Cagalli’s passion. Unlike other characters, Cagalli shows that she believes in her ideals, to a fault. And that exact determination is what Athrun lacked until now. He couldn’t pick one side of the war, constantly changed his mind and even went back and forth in which ally to believe. Cagalli is a perfect match for someone like Athrun in Gundam Seed.
After Uzumi dies in Seed, it is quite clear that Cagalli will take her father’s place as the Chief Representative of the Orb Union. She becomes the political leader that she never wanted to be. At the end of Gundam Seed, the rebel in Cagalli still chooses to take a mobille suit out into space to try and protect Athrun and Kira. She does exactly as she has throughout the entirety of Seed. In Gundam Seed, where Orb has just lost a leader and is managing to fight by hanging onto a thread, Cagalli is able to escape that responsibility and be who she wants to be. She goes into battle, she stands for what she believes in, even if that is not what Orb believes in, and she succeeds. She is the leader the Seed version of Orb needed. She is someone who is not afraid of change, who will fight for change, and who has shown that there is no need for the political dress up that existed before.
I love her character in Seed so much. She was exactly what I wanted to be most of my life. Seed never showed her taking political reigns because that wasn’t what she wanted. Cagalli was a solider, one who went where they wanted. Cagalli is a perfect chaotic good alignment, someone who acts as their consciousness directs them without any care for others thoughts of them. She does everything in Seed without a care for what others think of her. The politicans and the rules that bind her as Chief Representative don’t come into play until she transitions to a new position in Destiny.
In Destiny, we see that Cagalli has a hard time changing herself and abiding by her new role. Although at first it might seem like the writers changed her character, they didn’t change her enough. She takes her position as a leader and is shown to be brash, to want changes that impact others without thinking about how they do. She believes in a world without weapons, but she doesn’t know how to actualize it. She has ideals that are strewn together by her place as a leader of Orb, and as someone who has been on the front lines of war, but she’s so extremely limited in her scope and ability.
The biggest highlight of this truth is when she is in the Plants with Durandal and Athrun, viewing their new weapons. In Gundam Seed, Cagalli was in the same powerless position to stop the building of these weapons. She is in the same state where she believes that weapons are a disturbance to peace. Durandal, much like her father, likely views that protecting peace requires weapons. You cannot leave the other party unchecked.
Cagalli has not changed in the slightest, but her perspective is not suitable to her position. She couldn’t adapt to the perspective of the leader of a neutral nation. She had difficulty adapting to the perspective of a leader attempting to build peaceful relations with the Plants. This is precisely where her character fails in Destiny. Unlike Seed, where the world is already in chaos, Destiny is now a world where peace exists. There was no immediate danger. And the leaders of this world have solidified their positions. Cagalli, as someone who is not a manipulative, conniving political leader, inspires others by being at the front lines and standing beside them. Here, she cannot do that. She is in her position as the Chief Representative who cannot cause a fuss.
When the Plants are attacked and the Earth Forces take several of the Gundams, Athrun’s plight with having to protect Cagalli is precisely what almost destroys their relationship. Cagalli, in the past, was able to grab a weapon herself and be the one who would encourage others to fight. In her place as a rebel, she would have done that and gone down fighting. But now, as a leader, her hands are tied. She is being watched. And most of all, her position codifies new meaning onto her. She needs protecting, because she is weak and vulnerable. Athrun leaves her because he doesn’t see the person she used to be. Cagallii hasn’t changed, but her new position, which is obviously unfitting for her, is not something Athrun supports. He is drawn to good leaders, and Cagalli is obviously not one.
Now, she doesn’t need a dress to feel out of place in her position. The writers do not force her into dresses needlessly (besides the wedding dress). They already have Cagalli in her place as a political figure, with all of the restraints of one. Cagalli is still the same person, but she doesn’t know how to navigate this new world. She’s powerless to stop the Plants and the Earth Forces from going to war again. She is powerless to stop Athrun from leaving her, because as he felt with Lacus, Athrun needed someone to guide him.
In Cagalli’s place, Durandal offered the same mutual protection that Athrun craved. Cagalli, in her place as a leader, could not opt that same protection to Athrun. Durandal’s ability to protect, to offer, to lead, are something that Cagalli probably does notice, but doesn’t emulate at all.
The marriage between Cagalli and Jona, that essentially tore apart her character, was another extension of how unsuited she is to being a political leader. She obviously did not want to marry him. It is likely that she felt pressured into it because of her place as a leader. She is misguided and doesn’t know what really benefits her position. She could have rebelled, run away, but in light of a world that was much closer to bursting into chaos, Cagalli chose to give into her position and marry Jona in the hopes that it solidified her homeland. It did not. If Kira hadn’t arrived and taken her away, it would have the opposite effect. Orb would have effectively become Cagalli’s prison, and she would have never learned how to channel her strengths into her position.
Gundam Seed Destiny is essentially an expensive, messy endeavour for Cagalli to learn to mesh her two selves together, and to finally be able to conquer that princess, political image she has spent an entire two years running from. This is where Cagalli really begins to see the issues of her past self, and what she needs to be. When she cries on the battlefield in the Strike Rouge, and tries to fight despite being conflicted, she begins to see that her past self cannot operate anymore. She is not a nameless solider, who can rush to the front lines and not have consequences for her death. Now, as a leader of a country, she is in a position where she needs to survive. With how the Earth Forces and Orb have allied together, developed weapons and basically made a mockery of the ideals Cagalli believed in, with how Athrun, who had been her biggest support, slowly gave into the influence of someone else’s ideals, she sees she can’t exist this way.
The culmination of all of this is when Athrun returns to the Archangel after a tumultuous war, and he’s injured. Cagalli, the political princess who she has been throughout the show, would have stayed at his side and waited for him to go to battle and returned to her place as a politician. Cagalli, the rebel, would have gone on the battlefield again. Neither of these two version of her work.
I think this is where Cagalli proves she can be a good leader. She meshes her two selves together. She goes back to Orb, takes control of her position as the Chief Representative, and prepares to lead her people to battle. This is the culmination of watching others die, of crying endlessly and being unable to be on the front lines herself. Cagalli finally learns that she can be on the front lines, voice her support and be involved - without actively having to blaze trails and set herself in danger. She does not have to rebel against everything, and can support her causes, while maintaining her position.
The Akatsuki Gundam and Uzumi’s voice play is a confirmation that she has indeed found the right middle ground.
Cagalli has taken the mantle of the Chief Representative in earnest. And Uzumi’s voice has confirmed that she was able to finally put both of herself in this space. Cagalli is given the Akatsuki, not fly out with Orb, to defend Orb, rather than rush into the battlefield to defeat enemies. This is a clear change in who she is and her ideologies until now. This is the kind of behaviour that allows her to both be a leader and a rebel all at once.
I think this is the best way to illustrate that Cagalli is the ideal leader for Orb now. Not only does she pilot the Akatsuki to battle the Zaft forces, but she still takes her spot as the leader of Orb and enforces it as the leader. She is not in needless danger this entire time, nor is she screaming out for others to conform to her passion. You can see there is a strange calmness in her while she is fighting.
It is very fitting that the song playing in this scene is Honoo no Tobira, in English, Door of Flames. The song represents that a door of flames has opened, and that Cagalli is finally reaching out towards it. She spent an entire show unable to comprehend how she can assert her power, and this moment shows she finally is. Cagalli is fire, and her Gundam, fittingly named Akatsuki/Dawn, show that dawn is finally arriving on Orb. Cagalli has opened the door to dawn for Orb after a long, long bought of darkness. She’s finally accepted where she is. It’s most fitting that she does not have to kill Jona either, instead ordering he be arrested on treason, showing she is now using her power as the Chief Representative to take assertive actions. She is no longer a rebel but is the leader who can press force for her people.
Cagalli’s character basically came full circle. She finally embraced that she has to be that political figure, but she didn’t give up that side of her that was fire.
I think this is also why it is appropriate that Cagalli didn’t go up to space. She stayed on Earth and supported the others. Unlike in the beginning of Destiny, where she was afraid to be a political leader and wanted to continue to be an aggressive force, be in the battle field - this new version of her has learned that she can do both. She entrusted her weapon to someone else, entrusted her love in Athrun to whom she assumed would protect him, and she once again embraced her ability to change and make choices. Her autonomy and her will are basically what made her so endearing in Gundam Seed. She only lost her way because she didn’t know how to assert it.
Watching the war through the lens of a political leader, seeing where it went wrong, and watching how someone like Durandal could meld leadership without ever approaching the front line, really did change Cagalli the most. She, at the end, could set aside her weapons and assume the position of a steadfast guard. A protector of Orb. She does exactly as her father did in Seed, to protect Orb. She accepts that weapons are necessary, that there will be wars, but that she can protect her people after all. Her leadership skills develop throughout an entire show, picking up from where they left off in Seed, and by the end, she takes on a style of leadership that is terrifying to those opposed to her.
Most significantly, we know that Athrun returns to Orb. We know that Athrun, who has always looked to strong leaders for guidance, accepts where Cagalli is without question. Athrun recognizes strong leaders, and at the end of Seed Destiny, he sees the strong leader she is. Where he had doubts about her in the beginning, left her for a stronger leader, the show gives us the greatest hint that Cagalli is a strong leader by having Athrun return but in a place as someone who is a political leader too. Athrun is choosing to protect and be protected by Cagallii. The show evened out the exact problem they had in the beginnning, where Athrun had trouble being Cagalli’s guidance. He had his own journey, and at the end, they both became equal again.
I think, after seeing Seed Destiny so many times, I really can appreciate Cagalli’s incredible growth as a leader. She didn’t give up on herself - her ideals, her morals and her beliefs stayed with her - but she learned to meld and mesh it with who she had to become. All of her symbolism, as fire, as the rebel, as the dawn, come together full circle when she brings back all of that fire and strength to Orb in Seed Destiny.
What is most fitting is that she becomes like Uzumi, showing that the show really took every step to help Cagalli come to a natural conclusion in her story. Uzumi was a protector of Orb, held onto his ideals, and showed that he believed in the same fire Cagalli did by making the Akatsuki. He opposed war steadfast. These two people can exist in the same place. Cagalli never had to give up her core fire, and become the political princess that she felt forced into. Becoming the Chief Representative for her meant truly embracing herself and who she is, and instead using it in a different way to help her people.
I think people who rewatch Seed Destiny, who hate what they did to Cagalli, should view the story as her own hero’s journey. She actual returns, at the end of Seed Destiny, to being the strong, battle ready person she was in Seed, but with far more control over herself and far more ability to assert that power on others. She grows into being the kind of leader that could strike a sense of fear into Durandal. She takes every part of her Seed self, that lead the Desert Dawn, and puts it into this person who will lead the Orb Union.
So, yes, Cagalli becomes a great leader. And she was able to embrace her core self to become this leader.
Amazing analysis! This totally makes me see Cagalli in a different light
Have been waiting all year for this…
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How I feel getting into my car after watching Gundam Wing/Seed…
Expectation: *cue Rhythm Emotion or Invoke*
Reality:
Found this from the Gundam subreddit and I’m actually lightheaded from laughing
Sword and Mirror - a Lacus Clyne Analysis
“First… decide. And then do it. It’s the only way to achieve anything.”
Do you want to read ~8.000 words of Lacus Clyne character analysis? I hope so, because that’s what I got for you today.
When I watched SEED, I was wholly convinced I would dislike Lacus and everything she stands for. I have never been more wrong. Lacus is a tricky character to grasp - the show narrates her story largely through themes, blank spaces and parallel storytelling. As a result, I understand how she can seem quite flat on a casual viewing. I promise you right now, there is more to her role in the story than meets the eye.
In a 2020 interview, Director Fukuda said: “I do remember [Writer Morosawa] saying that the idea of Lacus Clyne was that she would be a mirror of other people, and that was why she was necessary to reflect other people’s hearts.”
The primary mirrors for Lacus are Flay in SEED and the Durandal/Meer combo in Destiny, so these will be our focal angle for unraveling her character - because the question is not just “what does the mirror say about other people?” it is also “what is inherent to Lacus that is able to reflect these (often negative) characters so well?”
Lacus’ story includes a lot of interesting ideas about power, agency, and gender performativity. I am here today to make my case to all of you, to present to you the Lacus I came to love - a girl who would love to be ordinary, but who cannot ignore the ideological power her image has become entrenched with.
(Because tumblr is a functional website and won't show posts with links in tags, I will add my source links in a reblog.)
“Lacus’ philosophy might be largely pacifist, but it is not and has not ever been victimless.”
A very poignant line that definitely sums up Lacus’ journey.
This was an amazing read, thanks so much for taking the time to share!
Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny, Episode 38 » One of the things I liked most about Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED Destiny was that the captains of the two most powerful battleships were both women. Talia Gladys might have been somewhat groomed into the role with her military background, but Murrue was thrown into it and managed to perform flawlessly given her unfortunate circumstances. Both women being able to make their own decisions in the end, in spite of their military affiliations or lack thereof, was very representative of how strong both women truly were and how important their roles as captains of the two strongest, most legendary battleships in the entire series were. A lot of people like to focus on the pilots, but they don’t realize the strength it takes to really think about the big picture the way these women were constantly forced to do and did without prompting.