I wasnât going to responsd because I know you just want attention but hey, Iâm procrastinating on my dissertation and figured Iâd throw you a crumb.Â
how can you or anyone believe brienne owns jaimeâs heart when barely 15 later in the same episode he says he loves cersei in the clearest simplest way possible? literally stating the words âi love cerseiâ. they leave very little space to (mis)interpretation. would you believe his heart is torn?
You do realize thereâs such a thing called subtext right? I donât find it a coincidence he went into Edmureâs tent and went into this whole sister comparison right after Brienne had told him they would need to fight if she couldnât get the BF to surrender. The whole conversation is a very desperate attempt for Jaime to reach Edmure in a an emotional way and to get him to hand the castle over so there would be no violence, thus not needing to fight Brienne as well. So the interpretation of that line is not so black and white. It is very possible that it was an attempt to persuade Edmure, by using their love for their sisters as a way to get him to relate to how much he means business. Do I see it this way? Not really. I saw it as a mixture of that and his deep love for Cersei. I really do think he wants to get back to her. But my point is that this situation is much stickier than you claim it to be.Â
He also kinda went against Cerseiâs wishes by NOT going the violence route. Did you notice how Cersei asked him to crush their army and Jaime simply jsut begged them to step down? Did you notice that during this episode they both had options for peace or violence and Jaime chose peace whereas Cersei immediately chose violence? Yeah⊠not a coincidence.
Would I believe his heart is torn? Of course. Itâs possible to love more than one person at a time and be conflicted. Jaime loves Cersei, but that will be questioned as the story moves on, because things change and thatâs the way the story has been setup. Itâs also possible to be in love with someone and not even consciously be aware of it, which is where I think Jaime is at due to the clues from the actors and in narrative that we have been receiving. These are not real people. This is a story. Everything is thought out and carefully put in for a reason. I mean, the writers even said he has âundercurrentsâ of feelings for Brienne and the director referred to this as a love story so yeah, there is an element of his heart being torn.Â
i suggest you read the books and his adwd povâs, especially if the latter is your point. he is obsessed with cersei in the most revolting, alarming way one can possibly fathom even when he is certain sheâs been unfaithful to him. i cannot even think of jaime ever putting his feelings for cersei aside in favor of those heâs allegedly developed for another in the span of??? months. all the less in the show, where his words of love for cersei are unmistakable.
I suggest YOU read them a bit more carefully because Iâm sorry but youâre going to absolutely hate the outcome of this series if youâre so stuck on this idea that characters do not grow and do not progress. I can understand your confusion though if youâre a show!only fan and base your opinions off of show!Jaime, even though theyâre still wrong because the show runners have cleared their intentions up in the post episode interviews.Â
For the books, Iâm not going to throw in quotes and shit because Iâm lazy and I know they wonât be read, so Iâm not going to waste my time. Itâs been done hundreds of times already. Google it or pick up the book idk. So anyway, by adwd his thoughts for Cersei have become more apathetic and bitter. Yes he thinks about her a lot but itâs more so out of pain than him romanticizing her. He no longer compares everything to her (the most classic example is the wind being compared to Cerseiâs fingers and then by adwd she is replaced by a generic âwomanâ description) Like he literally thinks that the HS could have already murdered her by now and heâs just like *shrug* about it and the thought of having to confront her does not excite him. And like I said, this is a fucking story. These are not real people. If Brienne were just a tool for his arc they wouldnât have been brought together again and he wouldnât have been randomly thinking about her throughout adwd and she wouldnât have been dreaming of him and thinking about him on every fuckin page in her POVs, we wouldnât have gotten POVs from all three in the same book,and this wouldnât have all been happening when heâs currently falling out from his twin due to him embracing his identity and slowly realizing that they arenât as similar as he had thought. A real human being, an author, decided to water their relationship and place those bits in there. The words were chosen to be on that page. So yes, he can fall for another in a relatively short time span (andâŠit isnât even short), which isnât that crazy to think about given that a) this is, AGAIN, a fucking fictional story and b) they went through a traumatic event together and he shared his deepest secret. Those things tend to bring people together rather quickly.Â
and oathkeeper, say what you will, is the embodiment of jaimeâshonor and quest for rightfulness, which brienne played a key part in restoring.
Yes, but itâs also not a secret that swords symbolize dicks in literature, so donât forget that bit.
so of course it belongs with her. jaime wants her to have it because the sword will never be put to any use with him. not only because heâs short of a hand, but mostly because by now he is well aware thereâll be no redemption for him.
oathkeeper must have a righteous wielder, and whoâs more fit than the maid of tarth for the task, in a time when westeros is in dire need of true knights?
Even if I were to throw in quotes to prove you wrong, this is all irrelevant because this is not a book scene. There are not hundreds of different ways to interpret what happened because it is not an adaptation. This is a scene in the show that was filmed with one intent. The actors, the writers, and the director have said that the sword is romantically symbolic and that this scene was filmed as if they were in love. Thatâs it. Theyâre the ones who created it. Theyâre the ones who wrote it. It is what it is. Sorry to break it to you, but on the show Jaime Lannister has fallen in love with Brienne of Tarth. You can argue about interpretations of book scenes onto screen, but you canât debate about the actual motives when the people who created it straight up said what it is. You can even argue if itâs endgame, but you canât say he doesnât romantically love her. So saying Jaime gave it to her because he is not worthy is a desperate reach to avoid admitting youâve been wrong.   Â
i think both y'all & nikolaj coster-waldau are deliberately choosing to overlook and trivialize brienneâs real role and value in jaimeâs storyline by making her his other woman/redemptive love interest (pretty misogynistic btw) for the sake of a non-existent and inconsistent romance.Â
The only people who trivialize Brienneâs character are people who claim she is just there to push his arc forward (âher roleâ *cough* you *cough*)  or to cause his man pain. Brienne has her own arc, which people fail to see, and itâs not a coincidence that itâs similar to Jaimeâs but heads in the opposite direction. And ha, a huge aspect in Brienneâs arc IS love! And -gasp- so is Jaimeâs! and -GASP- GRRM said his intent with them was Beauty and the Beast! AND-GASP- DO YOU SEE A CONNECTION YET ORâŠ? And I donât know how many times Iâve said this but ROMANCE DOES NOT RUIN A CHARACTER. LOVE. DOES. NOT. RUIN . A. FEMALE. CHARACTER. Wanting Brienne to be with the man she loves because she deserves to finally be loved by someone who looks past her appearance and desires her for who she is, is not misogynistic, but to think Brienne being his love interest would trivialize her character is so please kindly stfu.Â
but no, the point is, not even brienne herself is interested in becoming such thing. this is just how you would like things to be. it doesnât mean grrm agrees, and honestly if you think jaime/brienne is by any chance gonna be endgame in canon or anywhere, you are in for the biggest disappointment of your lives.
Brienne isnât interested? lol. No, she only left home to pledge her life to a man she was crushing on, thought back on when she cried in her room because she wasnât pretty enough to be desired, dreamed of Jaime putting a cloak about her shoulders, thought about Jaime in the bath, called out his name when she had fever dreams, dreamed of Jaime throwing a rose at her feett in the replacement of her betrothed. No, Brienne is not a romantic at all. And no, on the show GRRM didnât write the scene in 4x02 that had Cersei openly question her love for him, thus pushing romantic undertones onto that dynamic. Oh and lol I mean, again for the 100th time, these totally are real people.Â
Honestly youâre going to hate this series, both books and show. Sorry.Â
