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having a cozy start of autumn by reading stuff about the charioteer and relistening to the audiobook😌 uwu
from History's Queer Stories: Retrieving and Navigating Homosexuality in British Fiction about the Second World War by Natalie Marena Nobitz
@mademoiselle-red 'Interesting points on how the novel engages with Plato! I cringe at this and other analyses of the novel that claim Laurie’s attraction to Ralph was initially and primarily physical though. They always ignore the emotional attachment imo'
Yes I agree! That was one of the things I didn't agree with. I think emotional is the right way to describe it.
Though perhaps I am biased since I used to be a 'Ralph girl'. I used to consider the ending to be a happy one but I am not so sure now
But I still think there's more than physical attraction, even though it's not the intellectual attraction he feels for Andrew. Idk although they do represent those sides of attraction, I don't think it's so clear-cut, because although they're all parts of 'the charioteer' metaphor? allegory? they're also more fully-fledged characters than that and don't just have one single function and that's it, and Laurie's attractions are more nuanced in my opinion as well even though he and the metaphor give the functions of white and black horse to Andrew and Ralph
Yes! The metaphors are inadequate analogies for capturing the complexity of his feelings for both men and their three dimensional personalities. That’s something that Laurie also learns throughout the book: when he tries to apply the platonic model to his love interests, he denies them their humanity. He thinks he can protect Andrew’s “innocence” but robs him instead of his agency. He tries to dismiss Ralph as the unruly immoral dark horse (“too many Bunnies”), which prevents him from seeing Ralph’s innocence (both his innocence in the accusation of visiting Andrew, and his “curious innocence” about love and sacrifice, as Alec tells Laurie at the party).
I disagree with the analysis that Laurie betrays his convictions and let the black horse win. It is rather sloppy literary analysis, in my opinion, to look at the protagonist’s growth and change at the end of a coming-of-age novel and call it a “betrayal” of their convictions. In the end, Laurie learns that there is more to love than the model of love as a ethical ideal, the love as the shared pursuit of philosophy presented in the Plato, more than following the “hard logic” of the platonic model. Laurie learns through his relationship with Ralph that love is also forgiveness, kindness, compassion. In the end, he finally sees Ralph’s vulnerability and innocence about love, and is then able to fulfill his long cherished desire to protect and save Ralph. By doing so, he levels the playing field between them: he now protects and takes responsibility for Ralph as Ralph does for him. In Renault’s rewriting of the charioteer myth at the very end, the black horse doesn’t win, but rather the white and black horses are reconciled, only for one night because they can never be reconciled forever: it’s the human condition to be pulled in two directions by reason and emotion. I would also note here that when Laurie was with Andrew, the black horse was fully suppressed, which mirrors how Laurie’s pain and physical senses were suppressed by medication. His journey to true medical recovery and the return of his sexual desire coincides with and is facilitated by his reunion with Ralph. Laurie is not “destined to be Ralph’s lover for now because Andrew is not ready to face the truth”, Laurie is Ralph’s lover because he chooses to confide in Ralph and spend time with Ralph again and again, because they have so much in common: their disabilities, war experiences, their shared past, their tendency to interfere in other people’s lives, their shared sense of humor, their shared intellectual (!!!) interest in queer philosophical and literary figures. Furthermore, Andrew is not ready to face the truth because Laurie chooses to keep him at arm’s length as the platonic ideal rather than get to know him as a human being. Note how we and Laurie don’t see Andrew’s room, his belongings, his quirks, but we get details of Ralph’s quirks and belongings. I believe Laurie uses protecting Andrew from sexual knowledge as an excuse to reject Andrew’s attempts to deepen their friendship. Andrew is treated like a vessel for philosophical intercourse (which seems to be the purpose of love in Plato’s model) and a surface for protecting Laurie’s platonic ideals, but the close third person narrator never observes how he eats, how he likes his tea (!!!!), what few personal belongings he has in his room that he shares with other people, what books he likes to read, what his friends and acquaintances are like as people, and what he thinks of them. Laurie is Ralph’s lover because he loves Ralph, and has learned to stop feeling guilty about loving him in an emotional and sexual way. Laurie is Ralph’s lover because he has finally found some compassion for himself and his love for Ralph in a world and ethical system with very little compassion for queer people. Oh, and because he knows how Ralph likes his toast and Ralph knows how he likes his tea~ (that was a long rant but ranting at other academic papers is something they train you to do in grad school lol)
In summary, if we read the novel as a critique of the platonic model of love as it is presented in the Phaedrus, then the ending is a classic bittersweet coming-of-age realization that the world is not black-and-white, books and the ideal lives they present don’t hold all the answers to the complexity of life’s questions. The protagonist has to become a “maker of his own maps” and forge his own path ahead. I think the ending sets up Ralph as the lover who will accompany Laurie on the rest of the difficult road ahead. Of course anything could theoretically still happen after the end, but the ending itself leaves our protagonist with his lover in a state of peace, with the knowledge that they will have to face the challenges of their relationship together the next morning. But the loneliness lengthened by their strife has shown that they need each other, need to be reconciled with each other, in order to achieve even one night’s rest.
So the description of the story on the back of the current printing of the book says Laurie has to choose between innocence and the pleasures of experience, or words to that effect, it's late and I'm tired idk. In my estimation, what Ralph offers Laurie, for most of the book, isn't actually pleasures of experience at all, in the sense the book blurb probably means. It's the pleasures of knowing and being known...and the discomfort and complications of that, too. Andrew knows a part of Laurie that maybe Ralph doesn't see or know as much himself. But Andrew doesn't enter into the same kind of knowing and being known, because he doesn't know all of Laurie. He can't, because in knowing all of Laurie he would have to know and come to terms with all of himself, and he can't do that, he isn't ready to, and Laurie knows it. Sex is only one aspect of this difference, and frankly it's WAY more a symptom than an underlying cause, so to speak.
after 3 readings I have been able to find the first kiss…
I had to draw it
love how even after completely assassinating ralph's character and believing he betrayed him, he still gets jealous at the thought of ralph two-timing him with bunny
The Charioteer: Ralph / Laurie Reunion Timeline
love that in a book that emphasizes the importance of "making your own map" ralph's potential future career was literally mapping the world
“You must have forgotten what people who speak the truth are like. I know what you are, I’ve only been pretending to myself; as far as I’m concerned, this serves me right. When you wanted me to live with you and go on seeing him as if nothing had happened, I really knew then. You could be trusted once, you knew what it was all about, you had it in you; but it’s gone now, you’ve no feeling for it any more, you’re all blunt at the edges. Won’t you ever realize why it is when you try to run other people’s lives you can’t do anything but harm? God, must you go on putting yourself in charge and smashing everything you don’t understand? Like a drunk trying to mend a watch.” He paused for breath. Ralph stood against the rail in silence. His face had a dead, fixed, stupid look. Laurie had a feeling of total devastation in which all objectives had been destroyed. He said grayly, “I suppose you can’t help it by now. Too many Bunnies in your life.”
So on a very basic level it seems to me that Ralph is a person who makes things happen, while Laurie is a person to whom things happen, but that through the course of the book both have to contend with filling the opposite, unfamiliar position. E.g. Ralph finds that (because of Laurie) things (big feelings) happen to him and he has no control them, and Laurie finds that he can make things happen, but doesn’t really like the responsibility. Neither are at ease with their new roles.
That scene in the bedroom with the exchange:
‘You’re not angry, are you?’
‘No,’ said Ralph quite quietly. ‘I’m not angry. But don’t be gone too long.’
This scene makes me so sad, because Ralph is a man who likes to be in control, but is here accepting that - not for the first time- when it comes to Laurie he has no control. In another chapter he says that he’s ‘not attracted to people I can push around’, but he’s also not fully at ease with not having full control over people. With Laurie we see him desperately trying to retain some kind of control but also trying not to be pushy about it. It’s a painful read.
I don’t even know where I’m going with this, just thinking aloud mainly 😂 and trying to understand the individual struggles each has to contend with and how in the end their roles essentially flip.
ik his inclination to take charge had already been part of his character pre-canon, but i wonder how much more prevalent it became after he got expelled.
the life he had been planning for and working so hard towards suddenly being derailed so close to the finish line because of a lie (i agree w him that he should have taken ultimate responsibility for the relationship anyway, but it was still a lie), being so young and having to improvise and start over, completely self-reliant. and when he finally works his way up to captaining his own ship, feeling fulfilled and useful by doing his part in a cause he believes in, that blows up, too.
it's so easy to see why he has such a neurotic need to control what he can, when his life has twice now been derailed by circumstances out of his control, and why he's so desperate for it not to happen a third time.
so... he was def clutching the pillow like it was ralph after remembering that dream too direct to fascinate and analyst, right? and then the next night at around the same time (the first cock crows around 2-3am) ralph really is laying in the same spot as he imagined the night before, in the path of moonlight.
idk i personally love analyzing these snippets we get of laurie's "vivid" dreams 🤷🏻♂️
so... he was def clutching the pillow like it was ralph after remembering that dream too direct to fascinate and analyst, right? and then the next night at around the same time (the first cock crows around 2-3am) ralph really is laying in the same spot as he imagined the night before, in the path of moonlight.
Calling all Wingmen/The Charioteer fans!
To commemorate the Christopher Street Liberation Day, which took place 56 years ago today in 1970 in New York, I have written a fic featuring middle-aged Andrew Raynes (TC) and Fred Trusteau (WM), and their reactions to this momentous gathering.
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No knowledge needed of both books - I hope you enjoy my attempts to bring together fact and fiction.
forced my sister to read the charioteer so we could have sophisticated intellectual discussions
Something (anything) of Ralph &or/ Alec, please?
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@smootherthanastorm isn’t this great! They are such a funny couple, and I love the little memento mori on the shelf 🥺
you're not unknowable you blond bisexual bastard. there's a socially inept bottom right there and he wants to snort you like a line of coke
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: The Charioteer - Mary Renault Rating: Mature Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Ralph Lanyon/Laurie Odell Characters: Ralph Lanyon, Laurie Odell Additional Tags: Fluff and Angst Summary:
Ralph and Laurie try to cope during a heatwave. Very much on trend with the heatwave we are currently experiencing in the U.K. - this is basically what my heat-addled brain came up with. Hopefully funny and light but also with darker themes.