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Is Alastor jealous of Vox towards Valentino? (part 1 of 2)
Let's talk about some important stuff! I'll give you food for thought.
While watching Hazbin Hotel i couldn't get rid of this idea, i'm not delusional i swear! The first thing that Alastor does after Valentino interrupts Al and Vox's conversation with his "too much information" comment was that he attacked him instead of Vox, though Vox is suppose to be his like.. main enemy, "the person he hates the most", and a second before Alastor says "I don't think Vox would want the public to see me put him on his place a second time." But still he is aiming at Valentino, which Vox prevents.
When performing his little shadow show for Vox Alastor puts himself between Vox and Val, even makes him stand aside from the Vees like as if he were an outsider of the group (a small distance can be seen in the picture).
Next part is gonna be weird, please skip it if you are not ready for these kind of crumbs. The show doesn't give me a proper explanation what all of these scenes mean, so i have a free will to interpret it.
After the ah... really interesting scene. Alastor starts a speech and makes sure that Valentino hears it. He says to Vox "Don't want to be reminded of how desprate you were for attention...", "You found me... what was it... ispiring". And other stuff to show that he is more important to Vox than anyone else.
And also some phrases that caught my attention, because i thought it was something like Chekhov's gun but it didn't really play an important part in the plot, just remove them and nothing will change. So i consider it as interesting part of Alastor character who is seeking for attention.
"...you would be nothing without those two"
"...and now you finally have me, but you still rely on others for your like always"
"Looks like it's me and you again"
And if you remember the song Stayed Gone you should know that this whole situation that Vox has a team, when he himself refused to join, had bothered Alastor even before the plan of breaking his deal with Rosie.
"He would be powerless without the other Vees"
"And here's the sugar on the cream he asked me to join his team"
And look at this!
"Always seeking someone to put up with your incessant-"
If it just manipulation why Alastor is so mad when talks about it? I think, he doesn't like the idea that Vox moved on their past. He wants Vox to be obsessed with him. Wants his attention. In this case, for him Vees are the threat and he should separate them, especially Valentino, who possibly may have a sort of influence on Vox (considering their relationship).
He literally sings:
"You so obsessed with me"
"I knew you need me here to be"
"You still need me like you did before"
My assumption is that Alastor didn't really work on the details of the plan he just went with the flow, and then realised he can use this certain bickering to make Vox invite Charlie. So all of these are his real emotions which he, as we already know (from my previous posts), openly shows to Vox. He complains to Vox a lot! Few more examples:
"...you are always doing that and i hate it!"
"Still can't take me one-on-one, you need your little doggy?"
And back to jealousy.
Alastor is all smiley, talking to Vox, having the most entartaining hours while ragebaiting him, but when Valentino interferes he frowns immediately
And when Vox sends Valentino away Alastor is happy again.
[part 2]
Taking Drunk Al home the SAGA 🐀
Mini comic of Al ‘fixing’ vox’s antenna as he preferred it when vox was a box hehe 🥰
Does it take a few shots for Alastor to think Vox looks tasty or is Alastor very drunk and likes looking at his own reflection in Vox’s screen here? Who knows. Who cares.
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On Alastor Claiming to Hate Vox's Touch and Vox's Reaction
and how Vox's past might have influenced the Radio Demon more than he lets on.
I see people losing their mind over this little statement left and right, and, well, that's how fandom is, but, please, can we keep the nuance and stick to the facts? I beg.
Alastor is touch-averse to a degree, no question, unless he is the one touching or fond of the person in question (Niffty climbing him) or it's the right kind of touch he likes at whatever given moment.
Howsoever, none of this is of any importance in the moment in question.
The scene makes it intensely clear that Alastor only refers to a specific touch he can't stand. And for a good reason! (From Alastor's pov, at least.)
Alastor doesn't like it when Vox puts his hands on his shoulders.
Of course he doesn't! He himself (Alastor) uses this gesture to manipulate!
It's a gesture Alastor connects to asserting power over another person while also trying to win their trust. So, having it done to him, he identifies as an attempt at manipulation. It also comes of as condescending, and there is little he dislikes more than being treated with this kind of conceit.
This makes the situation sad and complicated, indeed. - Since treating him in a condescending way was not Vincent's intention, especially not in the past. Yes, Vox uses the gesture too, and, it is quite likely, knowing the life he led, he often does for the exact same reason as Alastor. Yet, in the flashback, he merely followed the impulse and didn't mean to manipulate him. (As Vivienne Medrano confirmed, his intentions with Alastor were genuine in the flashback.)
Now, in my opinion, it is Vincent's past that adds the lacking part to the flashback scene. What Vincent sees is a man who inspires him, with a similar drive, with a similar profession/passion, with a similar darkness in him. Maybe he had even heard of Alastor while still alive, should his deeds have been in the media after his death.
What Alastor sees is a man who is as ruthless as himself, who killed every single 'partner' he ever had when viewing them as more powerful/successful than himself. With his trust issues and 'protect yourself and never let anyone close' mentality, Vincent's suggested partnership is a risk he simply cannot take with him. Heartbreaking, since he is clearly very fond of him and shows it with the most sincere smile we ever see from him:
(Yes, even while touched, if not in the mentioned triggering way.)
During the rejection, Alastor never appears truly amused but rather distressed and seems to be in pain (hysterical) about having to cut off this friendship that meant a lot to him, too. (Other people wrote a lot about this topic already, the averting his gaze, the expressions, the hairpulling ...)
So back to the specific shoulder touch, which further confirms, to Alastor, that Vincent merely tries to assert dominance and to use him (and later even kill him, probably, as he must consider).
There is a slight sound of displeasure even in the flashback, when Vox puts his hands on Alastor's shoulders.
There is no such sound or any sign of annoyance while Vox has his hand on him casually right before that moment; there also is no such sound or any sign of annoyance earlier, when Vox touches his shoulder more loosely and not in this highly specific way:
Alastor does not hate Vox's touch in general. He definitely enjoys their little 'dances', and it's a literal on-screen point that Vox doesn't overdo it with touching him and respecting his space. The moment Alastor shows the slightest hint of displeasure, Vox pulls back his hands:
He could have done whatever while he had him as his captive. But this wasn't even an idea that crossed Vox's or Alastor's mind. Vox is portrayed as uninterested in anything Alastor doesn't give willingly; he wants his approval, not to force his touch on him. And Alastor is portrayed as being aware, making this deal without restricting Vox's options, knowing he won't overstep in ways he cannot handle.
All the more Vox is shocked when Alastor claims to hate the shoulder touch he considered a tiny thing - while Alastor never verbalized that he dislikes it before:
As mentioned above, the scene leaves no doubt that Alastor refers to the specific shoulder touch, not to being touched or being touched by Vox in general. Vox even underlines it, trying to understand:
So my conclusion is:
The fandom can calm down, no harm done, Vox does a lot of shit, but him knowingly ignoring Alastor's consent and touching him in ways he hates is not part of his character and, frankly, OOC. He did the shoulder touch Alastor dislikes without knowing he dislikes it.
To keep in mind what exact touch Alastor hates gives a deeper understanding of who he is and his past and it would be a pity to leave this out and replace it with a plain "Oh touch bad to him".
I'm pretty sure there is no need to frown about some random occassions with Vox's hands on his frienemies shoulders who never heard of personal space - as long as he is the one doing the touching.
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"friends? There are no friends in hell Vincent." This was a reminder meant for Alastor himself, not vox.
cuz Alastor knew it was not vox who was weak, it was Alastor.
"I respected you." Alastor had said to Vox.
vox who was free and full of ideas, who was not held by chains like Alastor, who was not afraid of Alastor. Vox, who did not made a deal with devil for power, who earned and worked for his position in hell.
Vox who would know of Alastor's weakness, and underestimate him, call him out for what he truly was. Dependent.
You can see it in his face here. He is bracing himself for what he will have to do, convincing himself that it is necessary to push vox away before he ends up more dependent than he already is. He enjoyed (loved?) vox's company more than anyone's in this forsaken place but he don't want to trust vox, can't afford to trust Vox.
It's like Alastor is disappointed that Vox would bring them in a situation, forcing him to put a distance between them.
" Why you? Out of everyone, why is it you."
"You out of all people can't know how weak I am."
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