the thing with gcest is that one minute I say there's no way they did that, and the next minute I say they definitely did
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the thing with gcest is that one minute I say there's no way they did that, and the next minute I say they definitely did
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i have this weird, almost observational fascination with noelâs body and the way it functions (or rather, the way he allows it to function) as a kind of punching bag for events and people alike. breaking his foot at work, then both wrists at the same time, the kidney infection he had as a child, his arthritis now, his rotting teeth, the car accidents, his complicated relationship with food and his fluctuating weight. the way he constantly points out how short he is, how small his feet are, how skinny he is â which is a very, very unusual thing for a man to do. calling himself the âuglyâ brother, saying he doesnât enjoy taking an active role in sex, being violently beaten and humiliated by his father, becoming the main target during stage attacks, enduring liamâs physical and verbal abuse.
what interests me is how he seems to accept all of this as an intrinsic part of himself, almost in a self-belittling way. as though his body is somehow destined to absorb damage, to attract it, to carry it. almost like he believes heâs meant for it.
With all well-meaning, I don't think this perception of Noel is fair to him. One of Noel's great strengths is standing up for himself and his autonomy, including his bodily autonomy. He was the one who ended up putting his dad in hospital, because rightly he decided that night that his body did not deserve this and he wanted to fight back. According to their brother, part of the reason he was singled out was that he was strong enough to talk back to their dad. His being attacked on stage was a blow to his relationship with Liam due to the resentment that he was the one hit and he sued for damages, citing the pain of not being able to lift his son. I won't go into the enduring Liam's physical and verbal abuse as I find that characterization distasteful, especially given their dynamic and background. Fair to say, though, that Noel did not passively 'endure' it and retaliated and instigated frequently. As for the rotted teeth, that seems to be drug addiction more than self-harm.
Noel was and is a fantastic advocate for himself and his right not to endure pain, even possibly going overboard to assert this, according to some people who witnessed his and Liam's dynamic in particular. Whilst from time to time he has blamed himself for being a bad kid, through his actions and the majority of his statements, Noel did not and does not accept being his father's, or anyone's, victim and that should be celebrated.
I saw your comment as well on the borderline cosmic inevitability of Noel's suffering and the universe seemingly having it out for Noel, but again I don't think that's an accurate framing. I don't think, for example, we'd call Liam the universe's punching bag, despite the fact that his health and view of his own autonomy are comparable to, and even worse than, Noel's. He was born screaming and carried on screaming in pain for the first six months of his life from an auto-immune condition, he was hit on the head with a hammer, he was bed bound with illness as a teen. As as adult, it got no better. The press paid people to punch him in the face randomly in the street to get a reaction and knock on the door of his home for hours and hours. Liam was presented in the press as nothing but a pretty face, a view his brother promoted. His body then developed a thyroid condition that robbed him of his sense of purpose, and then his arthritis meant he needed a double-hip replacement in his fifties. I only draw this comparison to point out that Noel is not universally unique in experiencing pain, and in the Oasis narrative, neither should be seen as the one destined to suffer.
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speaking from the perspective of someone who has undergone years of therapy that has helped me identify blurred intrafamilial boundaries of my own, its perplexing to me that for anti-gcesters the question of incest is exclusively viewed through the lens of 'are they currently or have they ever engaged in an active sexual relationship?' it's a question that is easy for them to answer 'no' to and then close the book, bc obviously liam and noel have never and likely will never speak on that directly, and we are wired to ignore or try to rationalize signs of incest.
but nevertheless i feel like that specific question is so beside the point as to be irrelevant when considering the nature of liam and noel's relationship. an active sexual relationship is not the only indicator of an incestuous relationship, nor is it always a result of one. liam and noel have shown long-term, well-documented patterns of behavior that are unequivocally incestuous, regardless of whether sex was involved or not. any of the following acts would likely lead a professional to assess a relationship as incestuous, including: sexualization of your sibling/speaking about your sibling with sexual language, which they have both done in spades; groping your sibling's breasts and genitals (regardless of whether your intent was to mime sexual acts or honestly engage in them), and tongue kissing them; regarding your sibling relationship as a surrogate marriage (despite both siblings being married with children, i.e. not a case of homemaking and sharing resources, not done out of a financial/logistical imperative); obsessive behavior, sabotaging your sibling's romantic relationships out of jealousy and possessiveness, and associated feelings of entitlement to your sibling's time and attention that places you above any of your sibling's other relationships; having an enmeshed sense of identity with your sibling that has tangible impacts in regards to how you live your lives, how you engage in external sexual and romantic relationships, your notion of independence, your inability to healthily cope with the absence of, or rejection from, the sibling, etc. these are all behaviors that have been documented heavily in words, photos, videos, lyrics, social media posts, etc., over multiple decades.
and this isn't even considering the presence of early life determinants in liam and noel's case that are known to coincide with incestuous relationships in later life: growing up seeing marital dysfunction and spousal abuse, physical and emotional violence from a parent, absent parents (one abandoning the family, the other constantly working to support a family of 4) and neglect, siblings taking on critical roles such as parenting, and potentially (vaguely hinted at) child sexual abuse at the hands of an adult.
it's glaring and unequivocal to me. it's a fact that noel and liam's relationship is incestuous.
hey there! what do you think about sara mcdonald? do you think she deserves the hate she gets from the entire fandom? jw no need to answer if you don't want to!
So many thoughts about this but wonât extend much, firstly i donât agree with any of her horrendous takes (antivax, terf) so if she gets slack for that then okay.
Secondly, Iâll be one of the few people that actually believe Noel loved Sara and Sara loved him, you donât spend that much of time with someone if there is nothing there, you donât sacrifice things for that person, you donât get into family fights just bc. And face public scrutiny as well for being a âyoko onoâ person. The thing about love is that itâs complicated and they seems to have good and bad times as every relationship does. I also think Noel for a moment view her a angel savior which can affect his own view on her and on love for sure. What Iâm trying to say itâs that I donât believe Noel was in a lavender marriage and all that which some people actually believe. Just my opinion.
Also dont like the treatment she gets she was cast as a villain by Liam and by proxy the fans and after that Noel divorce and yeah we can get into conversations about her wrongdoings but for me all the women are victims of these 2 even if they are not perfect victims. Again my opinion.
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Ok since there's people on Tumblr reading my fics (Aside of people that know me), might as well share here the one I recently posted.
Title: Common hour misfortune.
Fandom: Oasis.
Pairing: Noel Gallagher x Liam Gallagher.
One-shot.
Set during the Yokohama 2000 gig.
Tags: Hair-pulling. Degradation Kink. Whipping. Dom/sub. Blood Kink. Incest. Brother/Brother Incest. Dead Dove: Do Not Eat. Anal Sex. Canon-Typical Behavior. Object Insertion. Spanking. Blow Jobs. Deepthroating. Bottom Liam Gallagher/Top Noel Gallagher. Plot What Plot/Porn Without Plot. POV Noel Gallagher. Under-negotiated Kink. French Kissing. Yokohama 2000 Concert (Oasis). Feminization. Dirty Talk. Verbal Degradation.
Link.
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