i love seeing stuff of spider i havent seen already, its like finding your new favorite drink. like a new artist that draws him, or just new art/writing of him!! its all exciting to find more!
this might actually be the only timelapse y'all ever get from me bc I can't stand the humiliation ritual witnessing how indecisive I am
[Finished colored version here]💙
Watched Evil Dead Burn & got inspired by that one sotey heavy scene (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*.✧
While I watched the movie I thought escargot* placement, window, & arms? Yeah def some Tamtey x So'lek potential there ( ´◡‿ゝ◡`)
idk if that word is allowed here*
Kept flipping & rotating (+losing quality ಥ‿ಥ) bc I couldn't decide who should be possessed/deadite bc of personal ship dynamic junk (I wish I could write fics...)
I'll post the colored version of this tomorrow... (time lapse/sketch is the clean ver.) It's always a pain posting but it's even worse specifically on this app
home life has been super stressful lately that I haven't been able to find any time to draw + I've got like 3 cysts brewing on my face ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
some of y'all will probably have already seen my colored ver. but like I said my signal is terrible & Tumblr isn't forgiving at all
The fact that Avatar's fandom hates more a literal child than the movie villains is actually mind blowing
The Spider hate actually needs to be studied. And the thing is that all of the Spider haters actually don't have any valid argument as to why they hate him. They all just say that they don't like his hair or that they thing he's annoying. Yeah, you can not like him, though I'm sorry but to me that's not a valid argument to literally shit on him and downright hate him. There are many characters that I don't like in Avatar and you don't see me talking about it or bringing those characters down. If you're a Spider hater, I genuinely want you to comment and tell me why you hate him for a valid reason other than the two I just gave you. And don't go saying "Well he helped the recoms!" Because I know damn right if any other character you liked had done the same thing to literally survive while being captive, shall I remind you, then you defenitely wouldn't be saying that.
Listen...I'm ashamed to say I joined this fandom back in July '25...I'm a new-gen fan, do not come at my throat for that.
I remember my first time seeing someone's opinion on Spider, and holy shit I thought this boy genuinely killed somebody for how many haters he had, I saw scenes of him on tiktok...And I thought was "How could someone hate a KID so much?"
So here I go, on Disney+, finally watching avatar The Way of water (after the first one I'm not deranged), and after watching it...My opinion stayed the same...How could someone hate a KID so much? I don't care that he saved Quaritch, quite frankly I didn't give a shit about Neteyam (sadly due to spoilers before I could properly cry) to hate Spider for "what he did".
Spider NEVER killed Neteyam, I don't know why Avatok (the dumbest part of this fandom to ever fucking exist) thinks that, y'all are blaming a literal kid over a GROWN man who shot him, I've seen people like Lyle than Spider no joke!
I loved Spider so much in the 2nd one, and was excited to see how his arc pursued in 3 and I wasn't disappointed! He was funny, sassy and smart! And I'm so glad he was accepted by Neytiri, as much as people are mad about that...He's one of the characters in a movie really ever that makes me smile HUGE. He's adorable and quite handsome (JACK CHAMPION 😍)!
Not to mention he's very complex character, he's just a kid who wants to fit in and absolutely adores the Sully's to were he literally got tortured and still wouldn't tell the RDA/humans where they were, and his relationship with Quaritch oh don't even get me started.
Not gonna lie I'm not too affected by Spiri...If I'm being honest it was super frickin obvious from 2...Like c'mon now...
Oh Spider they could NEVER make me hate you...
I love his character and him so much I wish I could hug him 😭
people will tell you spider deserves to die and overglaze neytiri in the same breath as they look at you STRAIGHT into the eye
useless rants below, i just hate the fandom
SPOILERS FOR ALL AVATAR MOVIES (mentions of canonical events, violent or negative topics, racism, my biased opinions)
also: im extremely pissed off by the avatar fandom and how unbelieveably closeminded some of them are
1,4k words give or take
I think what a lot of fans nowadays dont realize is that characters cannot just be the perfect victim, and no one EVER can be the perfect victim. there will always be a spectrum, not black and white thinking.
Neytiri is a perfect example when it comes to the debate about her racism. People will either say that she is racist (right but a shallow take) or that she is justified and is not actually racist (also right, to a degree).
Thing is, she is both justified and wrong in her racism. crazy, wow, right? theres no way!
Her grief is the source of her racism. Her entire life has been ruined by sky people, she has watched her hometree burn, her father die, her son lose his life all right in front of her eyes. Neytiri is deeply impacted by the events of her life, causing her to naturally distrust and generalize the sky people as a defense mechanism (?). Thus, she is STILL racist even if her reasons are justified. She is closeminded and refuses to open her eyes to Spider until he is at risk of dying.
Neytiri is still a flawed person. Crazy, right? She is Varang's mirror, she is what she wouldve been and what Varang couldve been. I find it silly that people will hate characters, like Spider for example, just cause and when you ask them why, they ramble on and on about how he is not a great person and that he sends a terrible message and alike. (Which, I can see as Natives accepting a child of the oppressor is... well yeah, definitely bad.)
its not racism actually i think its more so xenophobia but like whatever i guess
Moving onto Spider, who, I believe is the cutest thing ever and I consider him my son (disclaimer: i may seem biased but i try my best to view him without my extremely personal opinions.)
People tend to blame him for a LOT of things just to cope with a character death. (see, Neteyam's death) Along with saving Quaritch. But what most Avatar fans don't realize is that... well everyone's gonna be a bit fucked up, if a character was the perfect hero/ine, there would be nothing to discuss and it would be like bland chicken with rice, no seasoning.
Blaming Spider for Neteyam's death is just stupid. This is one of the points I can't even talk about because 1: it pisses me the fuck off and 2: i can't recall most of the movies. Blaming him is an extremely shallow take and is, one of the worst, if not the worst, take I have ever heard in all of Avatar history. All I can say is, blame Lyle instead. Blame the actual person who shot him, even if Spider wasn't there, Kiri and Tuk were there. They would have gone anyway, and Neteyam would've got shot. if Lyle wasn't there, Neteyam would not die, Spider or not.
For further debate I will be talking about all of the points made here (not because im uncreative i swear):
1: His presence makes no sense
Simple. He pushes the plot forward and gives us, the viewer, a way to insert ourselves into the Sully Family indirectly.
2: There were no mentions of Quaritch having a love interest:
I do admit that this is something Cameron missed in the movies, and I'm sure he didn't quite mean to do that. However, this is one of the less worse takes, and Quaritch's love interest is explained in the comics. (see, Avatar: The High Ground)
3: His character design is very lazy
Objective opinions, not worth debating about when this is about personalities in this case.
I'll skip over bad casting and chunky dreadlocks (he literally is a stray cat THIS IS DESCRIBED IN THE FIRST FEW MINUTES OF THE SECOND MOVIE) because its just... not worth my time.
4: Wrong casting and writing
Now this is one of the things I believe this person should have worded much better. While I do believe in that had Spider been POC, people would have loved him much more and not be so much as a "White Savior." But then again, Quaritch would have to get with a POC woman OR be POC himself and also it just.?? there are so many things that dontmake sense
I think racism against white people is more of an "ehh" topic, but if I said "oh if he was white instead of POC people would have loved him more." then id be sacrificed and burnt on the stake. This person practically said that, just switched the colors around. Genuinely fucking weird??? the hell bro
5: He behaves too much like a sky person
bro hes a sky person around sky people even as much as he hangs around with the sullys. he WILL eventually pick their slang up one way or another dude WHAT WAS THIS PERSONS POINT WITH THIS?? He acts PLENTY na'vi.
6: Takes away from the story
Who are you to generalize avatar fans? Are the "Fake fans" any less of fans than "True fans"??
This person is not only singling out Kiri and Spider just for the sake of hating but also wrong :sob: The movie follows THE FAMILY, Spider hangs around the family, so of course you're gonna see him. While I admit, the movie didn't focus a lot on the Mangkwan but I think James Cameron is saving it for the later movies as there is no way that there will just be one movie about them. You don't even get a LOT of only Kiri and Spider focused scenes, heck, the kiss scene is deleted as far as I know.
I do admit that Kiri and Spider's relationship could have been handled way differently, but not everything goes yours or my way. I think that if Spider was adopted by a different family, or even NORM (which could complicate things but yk), it would have been a lot more better but I think, the healthiest way to view them is not at all or that Spider and Kiri are childhood friends (Which they are) and that Spider considers Kiri's family the same way a family in law would be seen. I do see how some people would interpret it as incest however and that is still a very real line that James Cameron is using as a jumping rope, even if unintentionally.
7: I believe a lot of people would prefer following Jake and the Na'vi reclaiming their home
do you want the same repeat movie across the entire franchise or like what...???
Now, moving on from that person's points, its time to move to the ones I see often.
Saving Quaritch:
This is one of my most favorite scenes to analyze because people are just!!! they cannot comprehend that people HAVE moral warfare and aren't exactly justifiable. It was most likely a way to keep Quaritch alive by James Cameron, but then again, there is the story.
Spider was treated (arguably a little better) by Quaritch and the squad than the Sully family. While I do imagine
that in the years with Spider and the Sullys there wasn't straining or tension, but I can imagine how after being practically ostracized from a distance by Neytiri, then he'd find Quaritch, his ACTUAL father, somewhat of a better person even if that is morally wrong.
We see him HESITATE when he sees Quaritch. He almost goes away, but then something in him tugs at him. That's the only real family he had, and like most fatherless people, they will seek that father figure in someone. Quaritch was that someone. Spider is kind but he was choosing between letting his biological father die or saving him.
My mother often screamed at me or my brother when I was young and was pretty aggressive (at most verbally), I didn't trust her with any of my secrets but I would still choose to save her in a heartbeat, no matter how much I wished that she would be gone from my life. You cannot JUST let go of your family like that. It's one of the few things i think Spider could have felt.
Teaching Quaritch and his squad the na'vi language, traditions, etc:
he was held hostage dude i think this is stupid as fuck to even talk about
Kiri and Spider's relationship:
See; second half of point 6
Lying to the Sully family about Quaritch being dead:
bro do u expect him to be like "hey guys i saved the person who terrorized yall" NO OF COURSE NOT
People ask for complex characters then get mad when said character isn't easily justifiable or morally right and I think that's deeply rooted in wanting to seem "good." when really, you just look extremely closeminded and hateful.
GOSH I LOVE MULTI FACETED CHARACTERS THAT AREN'T EASILY JUSTIFIABLE
btw to person from the tikok screenshot? i mean no hate towards them, genuinely. i dont actually care about what people think (despite it seeming like it), i just get mad when its such shallow takes.
ok bye thank u for reading this
i dont think James Cameron writes Spider to his full potential. I want to see this boy have TRAUMA and I want to see him YELL and I want to see him CRY. He deserves to punt everybody and i love him
“Jake and Neytiri should have killed Spider, burned his body and lied to their kids about it, that’s what should have happened.” Nurse, the patient has escaped again.
gosh i love spider socorro. not even in a way where like i want him, im actually so connected to him in a way i cannot explain. like in the most serious way possible he IS me.
gnawing at the bars of my enclosure thinking about an Avatar AU where humans have wings and what this would mean for Spider. like. he’s able to join his friends when they fly on their Ikran. he gives good hugs. he leaves his feathers all over the forest and he feels awful about it because he’s tainting it. the RDA clips his wings when they capture him. his feathers are the only thing the Sullys have left of him. speaking of feathers, that’s how he’s represented on the Sully kids’ song cords. punching the wall rn
^he has the wings of an immature male house sparrow to me
kianamaiart
snowghoul
romaincrisis
gummygunk
yousharknotpass
vaporwave
andulkaphoto
dailybridgerton
