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and suddenly her winter passed, and the sun shone on her
*yuries your Eowyn and Faramir*
Fun fact: Imrahil of Dol Amroth is only ever described in LOTR as Denethor and Faramir's "kinsman", with no distinction ever made between how he's related to Denethor vs to Faramir. It's only later, when Faramir briefly thinks of his long-dead mother, that she is called "Finduilas of Amroth" and we can deduce that the family connection was likely between Denethor's wife and Imrahil, making him an in-law of Denethor but blood relative of Faramir. We're still not told exactly how Imrahil and Finduilas were related, though.
I always had the impression of a certain degree of tension between Imrahil and Denethor, and also of Imrahil being particularly concerned for Faramir, but his exact relationships with them are quite vague in the narrative. A lot of the names, dates, and family connections among the members of the house of Dol Amroth that we now accept as a matter of course are mainly from a separate document published in Peoples of Middle-earth that explains the most probable origin story for the house of Dol Amroth and has an attached family tree. IIRC the entire existence of Faramir and Ăowyn's son Elboron is based on his inclusion in the Dol Amroth family tree in POME and he's never referenced in LOTR (and possibly not in anything else, actually?).
Tolkien definitely did imagine Imrahil and Finduilas as siblings regardless (e.g. I think he mentions it when observing that Denethor's natural beardlessness as an Elrosian DĂșnadan would be reinforced in Boromir and Faramir by their additional Elvish heritage through Imrahil's sister), but he didn't actually say it in LOTR.
I do think it's important, though, because it's with this later information that Imrahil taking charge of Faramir's fallen body is conclusively revealed to not be simply a prince rescuing a vague "kinsman" of political/military importance, but specifically a man carrying his dead sister's last surviving child from a battlefield.
(No wonder he and Ăomer bonded so much, honestly!)
#i never saw the 'great deeds' line as aggressive - i've always read it as more... sorrowful?#but if you were going to play it as angry then HOLY SHIT#the *savagery*#i love it and must explore (via @theserpentsadvocate)
I think this is about my tags? For me the thing that makes it brutal is the (I think sometimes overlooked) detail that Imrahil was present for the final bitter parting of Denethor and Faramirâit wasn't a private thing at all but a clash of the lord-captain/prince and father-son roles in the middle of a war council, after Faramir argued with Denethor's (reasonably but risky) preferred strategy amidst the various military/political leaders gathered.
'And what of Cair Andros?' said the Prince. 'That, too must be held, if Osgiliath is defended. Let us not forget the danger on our left... [blahblah war tactics blahblah].' 'Much must be risked in war,' said Denethor. 'Cair Andros is manned, and no more can be sent so far. But I will not yield the River and the Pelennor unfought - not if there is a captain here who has still the courage to do his lord's will.' Then all were silent. But at length Faramir said: 'I do not oppose your will, sire. Since you are robbed of Boromir, I will go and do what I can in his stead - if you command it.' 'I do so,' said Denethor. 'Then farewell!' said Faramir. 'But if I should return, thank better of me!' 'That depends on the manner of your return,' said Denethor.
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Faramir and Theoden, Eowyn and Denethor
Theoden and Faramir would have a fraught relationship because Faramir and Theoden would understand each other too little. Faramir would, for all his clear sight, struggle to comprehend and forgive how Theoden could overlook Eowyn for so long and allow her to suffer at the hands of Grima, and Theoden would not perceive the contempt Faramir has for Theoden under his polite reserve, yet feel discomfort for it.
Eowyn and Denethor would have a fraught relationship because they understand each other too well. Both of them in some form fell to despair, and that does not mean there is an easy understanding between them, it means they see their own trials and faults in each other, along with a contempt for each other, Eowyn for being Rohirrim and of "lesser men" in Denethor's eyes, and Denethor choosing to flee rather than make a glorious last stand and pull Faramir down with him, creating a tempestuous friction between the pair.
Eowyn/Faramir was one of the first ships I was truly obsessed with, and am still obsessed with. Faramir has lived the past year of his life in the shadow of the Nazgul, burdened by grief, fighting a desperate war that knows he's going to lose, hating that he has to fight at all but still doing it to protect his men (many of whom will die anyway), to obey his father (who doesn't love him), to defend his city (which is probably doomed.) He bears up heroically under his burden, he doesn't have illusions, he tolerates hopelessness so well that he's not even tempted by the ring: if no actions can avert the inevitable destruction, he might as well act righteously. He holds up under the burden, and he holds others upright as well, but it's sickening him, and the sickening dread that he fights every day has a voice and shape, black wings in the sky.
And then Eowyn shows up having killed one of those.
Imagine waking up in a hospital bed. There's a girl in the room next to yours who keeps arguing with the nurses and trying to check herself out of the hospital even though she's got so many broken bones and just generally looks half dead. There's a security guard on her door because she's an obvious flight risk. You ask another patient who's well enough to walk around how she ended up in there and he tells you she killed depression. Not all depression, but the big one, the King Depression, definitely. She stabbed it in the face.
I still come across the âBoromir means steadfast jewel while Faramir just means sufficient lmaoâ thing, and I still hate it! 99.9% of the time itâs just a way to bash Denethor while sidelining Finduilas. And itâs likely wrong etymologically (Fara is closer to fĂĄra, shore), but beyond that, it overshadows something thatâs really interesting.
The thing is, itâs well-attested that Gondorians are usually named after previous major figures rather than for strict etymological meaning. Denethor, for instance, is very probably named for the previous Steward Denethor and not for meaning. Denethor I, it happens, had a son named Boromir, who became Ruling Steward in turn. It seems extremely probable that our Boromir was named for his asskicking ancestor Steward Boromir.
And Faramir? The last Faramir we know of wasnât part of the House of the Stewards at all. He was the son of King Ondoher of the House of AnĂĄrion. Denethor and Finduilas gave their son the name of a royal prince of the line of Elendil. This in no way a slight to baby Faramir. In fact, itâs even more extraordinary than it seems!
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I now have 9854 pounds. I need to reach 15k because I withdraw daily for the amounts that reach me and this makes me in constant anxiety, knowing that I suffer from stomach and colon problems. I have had many problems, including a diagnosis of a panic attack. If I reach 15k in a short time, I can get some rest when I am in the safety area. Don't stop participating to get support.
whenever I see archeological remains of a human who suffered from a terrible disease that couldnât be treated in their lifetime but could be fixed now, this wave of sorrow and mourning washes over me. a woman in the 14th century who spent her 35 years of life bent at the waist because of congenital scoliosis. a man from the 18th century who died because of a non cancerous mass on his jaw that made eating progressively more difficult. remains of a woman from the Neolithic who died in childbirth having evidence of peri-mortem trepanation on her skull.
and yet she survived to 35. and yet the physicians in his time tried to strengthen his jaw. and yet someone 4,000 years ago tried to save someone they loved from dying of preeclampsia/increased cranial pressure. we tried. we tried and we tried and we tried. we failed and we learned but we tried. thatâs what makes humans so beautiful.
My mom sometimes talks about a child in her neighborhood who was born with hydrocephaly and died of it. His parents strove to keep him alive for years, but he ultimately passed after a long decline. No treatment available. No hope at all, and the parents knew it from his birth.
Several decades later my sister had an MRI, as a long shot, to try to figure out why she was sick and deteriorating with a number of symptoms that were close to being written off as anxiety. She was sent straight to the hospital for adult onset hydrocephaly. Two days later she had brain surgery to put a shunt down her neck into her stomach and drain the fluid out. (No, you cannot usually get brain surgery that fast. Yes, it was that urgent.) Recovery was long and squiggly but it happened.
I think of that boy every once in a while. The one who died. I have no doubt that treatments developed for people like him, and tested on people like him, saved my sister's life.
He never knew he made the world better. His condition was severe, he never knew much of anything, I don't think. I think if I ever track down a God or something like one, that'll be somewhere on my List of Wishes. To make sure people like him know that they helped.
I think about this a lot.
I've been type 1 diabetic since I was about one and a half, and was incredibly sick. If my mother hadn't also been type 1 and recognized the signs I likely would have died.
I was born in 1982. Insulin was first given to a patient in 1922, and he survived. Before that, type 1 meant death, often very slow and agonizing. Before insulin, doctors advised a super strict "keto" diet to prolong life, and it could work for awhile - up to a year, I believe. But it was a miserable existence as the body was literally eating itself as the blood turned acidic until the patient eventually died.
60 years. Only 60 years before my birth did that procedure work for the first time. That's absolutely nothing given the span of human history and I think a lot about the people who died from it throughout time.
But yes, people tried. Healers and doctors of all sorts tried all manner of things to allow these (mostly!) kids to live. The fact that it was accomplished at all is nothing short of a miracle. The fact that I've been alive 42 years is fucking insane considering my body doesn't produce a hormone necessary for survival. If you think that doesn't blow me away on a regular basis you have another think coming. It's nothing short of a miracle.
Every medical advancement is. The amount of work that goes into it and the vast amount of luck necessary to get it right even when all the research and information is sound is just astonishing.
Thank you, humanity. Thank you ingenuity and determination to save lives and make them better. Thank you to every medical practitioner and medical researcher in existence now and through all of time. Thank you to all the people who died so I could live.
Diabetes is one of these illnesses that really throws medical history into perspective. It's so common, everyone knows someone who has it, people live pretty normal lives with it. And yet, a hundred years ago, it was an instant death sentence. And then we were able to treat people with insulin and yet - it was extremely disabling. The insulin was extracted from animal pancreas had severe side effects, even with how similar the hormones are, there is always an averse reaction to proteins from foreign species, especially during long-term treatment. Injections had to be given every few hours, at-home-tests were only available from the 70s onwards. Insulin pumps entered the market in the 80s. Genetically produced insulin - humanized insulin - was first available in the US in 1982, in many countries only around the year 2000.
In 1930, having diabetes type I would basically mean being hospital bound, being woken every few hours for regular injections.
In 1965, you'd be able to live at home and get by with a very strict diet and a few timed injections. You'd struggle with chronical side effects. Having children wasn't done - passing on your genes would be immoral, and it might not even be legal for you to marry.
In the year 2000, you'd have a device clipped to your belt that would measure your blood sugar and distribute insulin, you only need to change the needle a few times a day. You might even be allowed to join in P.E. class
In 2025, you stick on two patches that do the same thing. They're synchronized through your phone.
That wasn't fate. It's not natural development that made diabetes a common chronic illness. It was hundreds of people who cared. It was the people who created the keto diet. It was the people who came up with tests. The ones who went through different species, trying to figure out the closest analogon to human insulin. It was the people who fought in court to get genetically produced insulin approved for medical use. It was people who looked at a rare, incurable disease and said "but what if it wasn't?"
It's a cliché to say that Tolkien's experiences in WWI affected all aspects of his writing, how he wrote about friendship and grief, how he wrote about desolate blasted landscapes. But I wish someone who knows more about Tolkien's military career could help me understand how Tolkien related to retreats. His description of Faramir keeping his people together on the retreat from Osgiliath is one of the best-written sequences in the trilogy, and hardly anyone remembers it. It's about a desperate retreat, and a leader whose presence, whose strength manages to keep it from turning into a rout. There's something very vivid in the descriptions: don't break formation, don't start running or they'll pick you off one by one, keep together, keep moving, hold all of that fear at bay. Tolkien describes that retreat as genuinely heroic, a superhuman act of will, one that exhausts Faramir almost to death, and Denethor still does not accept it as heroic because it's a retreat. It saved men but it lost territory, therefore in his eyes it's a failure.
Tolkien has strong opinions about heroic retreats, in the Silmarillion he sometimes gives the retreat-through-the-dangerous-wilderness plotline to female characters (Emeldir, Idril), he always writes them with respect. Sometimes, getting out of there and keeping most of your people alive is a great act of valour. I feel like he must have had a personal experience about what it means to retreat, and what it means to hold a retreat together, and what it means to get no thanks for it.
While I don't know much about WWI, I think it's worth mentioning that Denethor does not regard Faramir's retreat as a failure per se. On the contrary, his entire strategy depends on Faramir leading a slow retreat, and it's Faramir who had reservations.
In Tolkien's version, the geography and architecture of the region very much favor the Gondorians, but they're drastically outnumbered. So the strategy is for the Gondorian armies to inflict massive casualties as they retreat over favorable ground, including half of Osgiliath, the river crossing, the Rammas Echor (the wall around the Pelennor Fields), and then through the farms and townlands of the Pelennor Fields. Meanwhile, Denethor has the knights of Dol Amroth prepared to burst out of the city in a shock cavalry attack as soon as the retreating army starts to get overwhelmed, allowing the remaining infantry to get safely within the city. Denethor is also careful to order the knights back in the city as well so they don't get overextended, preserving the bulk of his armies. This occurs over several days, essentially forcing Sauron's armies to spend multiple days repeatedly attacking and overwhelming these highly defensible locations before they ever get near Minas Tirith, taking heavy losses as they go.
Given that Aragorn and Denethor look nearly identical (and fandom almost completely ignores this!) I give you a selection of possible explanations given by Gondorians when polled on this issue:
Aragorn is clone of Denethor created by Gandalf
Aragorn is Ecthelionâs bastard son
Aragorn is Denethorâs bastard son(???)
Denethor is actually Arathornâs son(???????)
They're twins separated at birth
DĂșnedain are all so inbred they have like 3 possible appearances at this point, they're not special
Aragorn is a shapechanging Maia
They're a pair of reincarnated siblings
They don't actually look like that, they just use glamours and are both modelling themselves on the same person
#why do they look that similar?#they're about 30th cousins or something and yet they look like close kin#more alike to each other than denethor is to boromir!#and yet almost everyone ignores this!#tolkien i need to know
Right? I mean, on one level, it underscores the degree to which they are both throwbacks to very remote ancestors they do have in common. But their actual blood relationship is very distant. And the note in the Appendices about the Steward Ecthelion openly favoring Aragorn over Denethor seems like it would likely have been particularly conspicuous given the strong resemblance between Denethor and Aragorn in both appearance and deeper aspects of their characters. Not entirely sure what Ecthelion was thinking tbh.
(It seems like second marriages are rare among Gondorian DĂșnedain, much less bastard children, but I've always wondered just how that dynamic would have looked to people who didn't know what was really going on. Damn weird position for both Aragorn and Denethor to be in.)
And it's significant that while Denethor looks more like Aragorn than like his own son Boromir, this isn't because Boromir doesn't look like Denethorâhe does! It's just that the resemblance between Aragorn and Denethor is even more powerful in both appearance and character. When Pippin is struck by how much Denethor reminds him of Aragorn, he specifically mentions some of Denethor's physical features (carven face, curved nose, proud bone structure, deep dark eyes) and not only force of personality or whatever. It's a really remarkable choice, especially relatively late in the book, to parallel Aragorn so emphatically with as profoundly tragic and difficult a figure as Denethor.
(And yeah, it's super overlooked by a fandom that's always going on about how LOTR fans don't know the deep lore like Silm fans do.)
Analyzing the OP theories:
A key thing is that Aragorn was around when Denethor was young. Some Gondorians would not remember that but some would see him now and think 'Hey that guy led that raid on Umbar'.
So taking these theories:
Aragorn is clone of Denethor created by Gandalf
Plausible to Gondorians who have no idea how much magic Gandalf has.
Aragorn is Ecthelionâs bastard son
Plausible, his age is right and Ecthelion favored him.
Aragorn is Denethorâs bastard son(???)
Doesn't work with his previous appearance.
Denethor is actually Arathornâs son(???????)
Does anyone in Gondor know who Arathorn is?
They're twins separated at birth
Plausible.
DĂșnedain are all so inbred they have like 3 possible appearances at this point, they're not special
Can't see anyone thinking that.
Aragorn is a shapechanging Maia
Plausible.
They're a pair of reincarnated siblings
Gondorians don't believe in reincarnation.
They don't actually look like that, they just use glamours and are both modelling themselves on the same person
Plausible; this could also be 'Aragorn was disguised by Gandalf'.
I mean. DO Aragorn and Denethor look almost identical? ROTK says only that Pippin was "reminded of" Aragorn when he looked at Denethor, not that they looked identical, which you'd think would strike him more deeply.
Tolkien uses shorthand for "these people are of similar spirit, race, or bloodline" as them sharing a look. It's explicit, for example, that by some quirk of fate the blood of the kings of men runs "nearly true" in Aragorn and Denethor, but NOT in Boromir. It makes sense that they would evoke each other in their bearing and countenance and features, then, because Denethor and Aragorn are supposed to be mirrors of each other to a large extent, both inheritors of the nearly spent blood Westernesse, but dealing with it in a very different way.
Tolkien uses this shorthand a lot. Noldor who were part of the Flight all have those eyes that still have tree-light in them, for example. They're all instantly recognizable as kin to each other because of a common physical feature, but they don't look identical.
A more interesting question to me is that Aragorn is clearly a Dunedain of high birth and breeding, but also an outsider to Gondor who came to them via Rohan. He would have been pestered CONSTANTLY for his lineage, for the names of his fathers and grandfathers. Gondorians were obsessed with that shit, especially as their blood became mingled with other men and the old Numenorean families failed. They would have pained him for his antecedents endlessly; he'd have needed a really good cover story.
Yes, they do? Pippin noticing the similarity with Aragorn comes directly after Denethor's description: 'Pippin saw his carven face with its proud bones and skin like ivory, and the long curved nose between the dark deep eyes; and he was reminded not so much of Boromir as of Aragorn.' From Minas Tirith in ROTK.
Again in appendix A we get: 'Indeed he [Denethor] was as like to Thorongil as one of nearest kin,' From Appendix A Gondor and the heirs of AnĂĄrion.
This is explicit, twice! Both in youth and in their 80s these men look very very similar! I can't recall any other example where it is hammered home quite so much. Aragorn is said to be like his ancestors, especially Elendil and we get Denethor's messenger Hirgon who resembles Boromir, but neither of these are so blatant. They look as alike to their far distant cousins as they do to close kin (more in fact with Denethor and Boromir!)
I genuinely find it kind of morbidly fascinating that there's so often a kneejerk resistance to the emphatic, repeated associations of Denethor and Aragorn as individuals in LOTRâI've seen the LOTR descriptions of their very strong resemblance in appearance and psychology downplayed so many times. Like, yes, NĂșmenĂłreans of this type look like each other and have similar energy, but Denethor and Aragorn specifically have a much stronger resemblance than that, and the novel is explicit about it. Even Faramir's physical resemblance to Denethor is less marked than Aragorn's, and not distanced from Boromir's appearance the way Denethor is.
(It's also interesting that Pippin's surprised recognition of Denethor's resemblance to Aragorn isn't just stated, but underscored through specific shared featuresâthe dark eyes and long curved noseâthat are so rarely seen in depictions of Aragorn.)
I know I talk pretty regularly about Faramir's weird command over animals, both because he's my fave and it's cool, and because it's just such a strange detail. But I've also been thinking for awhile about some less direct but still intriguing quotes about how he relates to animals.
So, the usual ones first. Here's Beregond, describing Faramir getting his horse to run towards five Nazgûl while the other horses are fleeing:
âThey will make the Gate. No! the horses are running mad. Look! the men are thrown; they are running on foot. No, one is still up, but he rides back to the others. That will be the Captain [Faramir]: he can master both beasts and men.â
Then there are nameless soldiers in Minas Tirith, watching the orderly part of the retreat across the Pelennor:
The watchers held their breath. 'Faramir must be there,â they said. 'He can govern man and beast.â
(For context, the ancient NĂșmenĂłreans he takes after could summon particularly beloved horses by thought alone.)
But also, back in TTT, we heard some interesting details that may be pertinent. Firstly, there's Faramir himself, speaking to Sam:
'Were I as hasty as you, I might have slain you long ago. For I am commanded to slay all whom I find in this land without the leave of the Lord of Gondor. But I do not slay man or beast needlessly, and not gladly even when it is needed.'
And when Anborn reports glimpsing the creature that turns out to be Gollum, he says to Faramir,
'You will not have us slay wild beasts for no purpose, and it seemed no more, so I tried no arrow.'
I think the suggestion here is that it's not standard policy for them to avoid killing wild animals, but a command from Faramir specifically. And he's clear here that he doesn't kill animals for any purpose other than necessity.
And I mean ... if I could get nervous animals to run straight towards Ringwraiths, I'd probably feel weird about killing them, too. But it all does fit together very neatly.
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Reblogging purely because I'm always entertained that the single character with the "powerset" most similar to Faramir's seems to be Queen BerĂșthiel, and I amuse myself thinking about it sometimes.
I'm just imagining Boromir (age 12) telling Faramir (age 7) about the story of Queen BerĂșthiel and going on about how she could communicate with cats
Faramir, who has befriended eight different mousers in the tower and knows three of them are currently curled up under his bed: ok [shh stay where you are, don't meow, you'll have to leave if anyone notices, be quiet]
Boromir: she could command them to do her bidding
Faramir, unimpressed: ok
Boromir: she would send them around the city to watch everything and everyone, and could see in the cats' minds what they'd noticed and use all that knowledge for evil
Faramir, nervously focused on the cats, struggles to multi-task between listening to Boromir and a vague awareness that one mouser is confused about not purring but pleased in cat fashion about outwitting some dogs and having a Climbing Adventure earlier that day and another left paw prints in the Steward's chamber: ok
Boromir: but she actually hated them and tormented them, too
Faramir: WHAT
Faramir calling Galadriel âthe Mistress of Magicâ and talking about how itâs better to keep a wary distance from that kind of weird Elvish stuff is 10x funnier when you consider that Galadrielâs most distinctive native ability is her insight into the thoughts and hearts of others.
This whole conversation is in Faramirâs TTT scenes, in which he also goes on about the doors and windows in Gollumâs mind and what he can clearly perceive in his mind and how he can âreadâ that Golllum is a murderer and Gollum shrieks in pain when he tries to lie to him and Faramir inexplicably knows something woke in Boromir in LothlĂłrien and that Galadriel saw something in him and
I mean, Galadriel is immensely powerful and skilled at this kind of thing, yes, but still ⊠lol.
#faramir. i love you. but maybe 36-y-o beardless telepaths shouldnât throw stones#faramir in ttt: i donât know about this strange elvish magic. better to keep your distance#meanwhile in the next book multiple people are like ⊠oh you can tell where faramir is by the animals obeying his will
Iâve been getting notes on this random post for some reason and while I donât really know why, I do love him and how incredibly casual he is about his and his fatherâs abilities. Sam being âyouâre right that thereâs something elvish about Mr Frodo but thereâs something just as weird and cool about you, lord Faramir, but different, not human, not elvish, some strange third thing like wizards, just the vibe Iâm getting hereâ and then Pippin watching Gandalf and Denethor telepathically interact and being like âhuh so Gandalf is more powerful but it really feels like theyâre fundamentally related somehow, almost the same kind of being, idkâŠâ [cut to Melian chilling in Valinor] just makes it way funnier that Faramir is vaguely paranoid about even interacting with Elves ;akfdjk;afd;jkfdf.
i was looking for a reference image and found this instead and ill say i am obsessed. the ghostly pippin who doesnt even look concerned. the ghostly denethor despite the fact he is Right There. faramir just kinda looks... peacefully asleep. the fire overlay. it was from facebook. i love it
hello ... may i request another faramir holding a trans flag .... this time .... woman .....
Here you go! Trans woman Faramir!! Idk if this is what you had in mind, but hope this is works! :)