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Okay, if no one is going to say it, I will. Did no one ever questioned Athena's statement that Percy's fatal flaw is 'Personal Loyalty'? Because to be honest, it was never fatal throughout his journey. He never truly struggled with it, nor did he ever truly confront it, or at least fall into its clutches. We read about Thalia lusting for power, which she was almost tempted to sacrifice the Ophiotaurus for — that chapter was closed when she was made Artemis' lieutenant (killing two birds with one stone: gave her power, and kept her under the watchful gaze of an Olympian). Annabeth....well, Annabeth has always been under the influence of hers, key reason being that everyone close to her is an enabler (Chiron, Luke, Percy....freaking everyone besides Clarisse) Then there's Percy, the guy whose Fatal Flaw is purported to be Personal Loyalty. Why? Like; 1) he literally left Sally with hades in the underworld in favour of going with two kids (one of which lied to him the entire time they knew each other, along with Chiron borderline driving him crazy. The other who absolutely hated his guts for some conceived parental rivalry. 2) Percy didn't actually mourned Tyson on his supposed death in SOM. Chose to take the sky from Artemis, when his 'personal Loyalty' should've pushed him to just grab Annabeth and hightail TF out of there, or at least Annabeth should've been his first priority, as he have no Loyalty towards Artemis. There are a ton of other instances that I don't have the motivation to write right now, but I might someday. At this point, am convinced and pretty confident that his fatal flaw is more likely to be LOW SELF ESTEEM than Personal Loyalty.
But like, why?
I'm starting to sound insane but this genuinely might be my breaking point. I can barely put it into words how disheartening this is, all of these changes are not even just pointless, they are stupid and this one in particular is probably the worst one yet.
There are so many meaningful and important moments that revolve around Percy's birthday. His 15th in botl being bittersweet bc he thinks is probably the last one he will ever get to celebrate, annabeth (and tyson)'s birthday cake after the battle, but most of all, after actually surviving everything, Percy has to spend the rest of his life knowing that his birthday is the day dozens of his friends died. He has to carry that with him FOREVER.
His birthday is his and annabeth's anniversary, it's luke's death day, it's the end of a centuries old prophecy, it's the day the battle of manhattan ended. And you're just gonna throw away this whole thing, the whole entire fucking story just to "fudge it a little"? TO WHAT END? What can the narrative possibly gain from losing this? I don't understand
Just remembered something else too. THE PROPHECY IMPLIES IT'S HIS BIRTHDAY.
"Shall reach sixteen against all odds"
Like obviously it can be interpreted a million different ways, which they keep repeating in every book about all the prophecies, but there's always the One Right Answer, and if you ask me, Percy managing to get to 16 by the skin of his teeth after thwarting death in a week long battle where so much goes on that both himself and you as the reader forget that it's supposed to be his birthday sounds like "against all odds" to me.
It doesn't say "turns sixteen", it's a REACH, he barely makes it, THAT'S THE POINT
But like, why?
I'm starting to sound insane but this genuinely might be my breaking point. I can barely put it into words how disheartening this is, all of these changes are not even just pointless, they are stupid and this one in particular is probably the worst one yet.
There are so many meaningful and important moments that revolve around Percy's birthday. His 15th in botl being bittersweet bc he thinks is probably the last one he will ever get to celebrate, annabeth (and tyson)'s birthday cake after the battle, but most of all, after actually surviving everything, Percy has to spend the rest of his life knowing that his birthday is the day dozens of his friends died. He has to carry that with him FOREVER.
His birthday is his and annabeth's anniversary, it's luke's death day, it's the end of a centuries old prophecy, it's the day the battle of manhattan ended. And you're just gonna throw away this whole thing, the whole entire fucking story just to "fudge it a little"? TO WHAT END? What can the narrative possibly gain from losing this? I don't understand
chalice of the gods is so interesting to me because rick wrote some fucking deep cuts as it comes to representing depression as a older teenager with learning disabilities who's had terrible traumas brushed off casually by the people in their lives.
percy never mentions hobbies, and he doesn't have a major in mind for NRU. he wants to go to college because annabeth is there. he likes the idea of a younger sibling, but can't help but feel like it might be better for his mom to try a new start without him, with a new husband and a new child as opposed to the abusive family dynamic "both he and gabe" forced her into. because he implies he believes he was at fault too!
he's lost!! he's alone, because the system that was supposed to support him when he was a KID has failed him throughout his teenage years! his narration plays it for jokes all the time!
he doesn't have friends at his new school, and so far, he hasn't had meaningful conversations with anyone besides grover, annabeth, and like... KIND OF his mom? again, no hobbies, no plans, no Friends??? no acquaintances?? he's on the swim team, but we don't even learn his coach's name, his teammates' names, what he likes doing IN swim.
it's representation that's honestly hard to read?? this feeling of not knowing what you're doing?? of being a failure all your life and feeling like you're not about to stop now??
and it would be great if rick did ANY OF IT on FUCKING PURPOSE
I couldn't agree more with takes on Percy.
Being so OP makes him bland, in my opinion.
Because, when you're the author's golden child, wait challenges are there for you to overcome.
I want to ask you for your thoughts on Percy in Tartarus, the first time I read it, it was just weird. Rick didn't explain how Percy did anything, had to significantly
Seriously! Glad you agree 👍 😌
Now to answer your ask. Short answer, I did not particularly like the Tartarus plot at all. It felt very much unnecessary beyond getting to see the pit, which I did like.
Long answer time.
My biggest issue with the plot is summed as "dark Percy was already there and yet Rick framed this poorly." Because the same boy that gave his mother Medusa's head with the hope of her using it on Gabe is very much in character when dealing with Akhlys.
Having Percy's dark nature just balloon like it does was already poor writing, but to then act like his actions weren't LEGITIMATE self-defense is so dumb. She was trying to kill them, Percy legit had no other choice in this instance. But to treat it like he's down to torture others for the sake of it also isn't accurate to what the narrative claims Percy is (IE, an all loving hero going through trials and tribulations - he's NOT all loving, it goes against every trait Rick has established).
But like, him torturing her, to me, doesn't come out of nowhere - again, gave his mom Medusa's head to use on their abuser. I wish there was more build up to that point and it was TREATED like a build up. Tartarus would've been the perfect device for that given the nature of the place, but Rick dropped the ball down the pit, literally went out of his way to further regress Percy for the sake of some bs development.
I genuinely feel like in the hands of a better writer, it would've been interesting. Hints of Percy's guilt BEFORE the scene it become relevant as he gets his memories back and NOT just about Calypso - and not treat it like it's RIGHT he feels guilt either. Maybe have Annabeth be a voice of reason and logic and comfort (I don't like her, but it would've been good development).
But Rick isn't much of a good writer imo, so of course when get some edge lord scenes that exist solely for cool points and not storytelling. Especially because everything has HUGE impact on Percy (he's suicidal at this point and it sticks long term) and Annabeth is lowkey mischaracterized because, uh, why is she so effected by Percy's actions anyway? Because they kill monsters, some in gruesome fashion that she would call "too far" based on how she reacts to the poison torture. Because it can't even be her fearing another Luke - it feels like it should've been her being legit scared of Percy himself, but it isn't used that way (and she goes back to being crap towards him with relative ease once they're out).
I don't know, I guess overall it had a lot of potential, but just no proper follow through. Tartarus should've been this dark storm cloud that followed both Percy and Annabeth for the rest of the series, but it feels like it was sorta just there for the sake of being edgy.
All the Thalia hype I had is going down with these Percabeth scenes.
And it is not even because I dont like percabeth overall, but because the way Percy is in s2 already saying he would burn Olympus for Annabeth, what reason the olympians will.have to let him live when they make that vote? I am not even starting how they changed how Percy was terrified of making this choice in the first place. Because the wrong choice would mean the end of the world as we know of. And Percy knowing that is what makes him terrified and actually shows that he is a very emphatic person despite his fatal flaw.
He has an entire inner conflict about it.
Idk. I dont like the way they are making Percy be Anakin 2.0. Never liked it. And specially not so early in his story. Percabeth in this adaptation should still be sweet and not a worsened anidala.
God help us.
He's basically giving the Olympians a valid reason to shoot him down. What are the writers doing?
The worst part is people saying “the gods might be terrified hearing this.”
And I am always like… Did we forget they are gods?
They are not your neighbors overhearing gossip and going “omg.” They are immortal beings looking at a thirteen-year-old demigod, possibly the child of prophecy, publicly declaring that he would destroy Olympus to protect a childhood crush.
They wouldn’t be terrified.
They would be thinking: “He needs to go. Immediately.”
Percy is a demigod. I genuinely don’t understand how the PJO fandom convinces itself that a 13-year-old, with one single quest completed, could be perceived by Olympian gods as someone who stands hand in hand with them, let alone as someone “superior.”
And here’s the thing: if the gods were truly terrified, that would require acknowledging Percy as a threat equal to them in power.
Again... a thirteen-year-old boy with one mission and basically no control over his powers.
Don't leave this in the tags!
Destroying the world for someone should never be romanticised like this. It would be one thing if Percy was a horny teenager consumed with passion and with the highs of a childhood crush but he's 13/14 here. What middle schooler talks like this???
Walker is acting like he's HOO!Percy.
You know, they really killed this show in season 2. Like, it was already on crutches from season 1, but what would stop the gods from striking him down in that scene? We all know that Zeus, wouldn't let that opportunity slide, not after the kid literally sent them Medusa's head a yr earlier. Neither will Athena or any of the gods for that matter, consequences be damned.
Me seeing you being called every slur possible for treating show and books as different universes, therefore they should be adressed accordingly and the author is fucking around changing the books narrative - which is different not only about the design -, but the lore as well, and you are expected to not give your opinion on why you dislike it.
They act like you are attacking Leah and calling her names. It is impressive the mental gymnastics this fandom have. You cant have an educated opinion that is different from the rest.
Don't worry this isn't my first rodeo. I was called racist when I voiced my preference for Nico's casting back in the day before the child actor was announced,since it's actually important for his character to be in that way,and even when I criticized Riordan again when I found out about the useless changes he made in the show for S3 for their quest. Never exhibited signs of racism or judgmental against somebody different in my 18 years of life but apparently I've been one all along,I just didn't know 😔✋
Anyway,I think part of the whole thing is because of the fact that the show is so much hated on,and Leah especially had a very strong hate train at the start,that now people jump at any form of negativity and think of the worst. Which in a way I get it. She is a child actor,she is doing her work and trying her best,not her fault that the writing room did them all dirty,so of course the fans are protective. She doesn't deserve the hate and racism is a really fucked up thing to take in consideration in this,since there are people that actually hate her because she is black 💀💀💀
But I'm not. I don't care for the show or the actors that much,the few posts I made about it are basically criticisms about Riordan and the writing room and how the production is fucking everything up. Leah is a good Annabeth for the show,not her fault that the script is mediocre. The same thing I can say for Percy,Luke,Thalia,literally everyone else.
From the moment this show came and it was obvious it was starting to change everything,we needed to treat the characters as 2 different things: Show Annabeth ≠ Book Annabeth. The two have differences. Leah's Annabeth is more stoic and less emotional,her backstory got changed as well and so does her view of the characters (especially Luke for now). Book Annabeth? Totally different from Show Annabeth,but the two are different versions that can and should coexist while still having their differences.
Annabeth in the show is black? Totally ok,I don't care about that,like I don't care that Percy is blonde,or that Thalia is black as well,or that Luke has black hair. I don't care about that because I don't care about the actors and I don't care about the show or its fans much. I try to keep this blog strictly book-only because I don't like to associate myself with that part of the fandom.
What my previous post was about,that most people apparently failed to understand (but that's probably my fault for wording it like that,even if the masculine pronoun was specified),is the fact that Riordan can't think of show Annabeth and Book Annabeth as only one character. There are two Annabeth now with a different story to tell. You can't assimilate the new's characterization to a 20 years old character that got described until now in a total opposite way. It's like the same thing he's doing with the monsters all over again.
He crashed 20 years+ of world-building,writing and books by making all the monsters "victims" of something bigger than them,when it never was the case,and now he is trying to assimilate the show description of the characters to their book counterparts when you genuinely can't. People like to think that the authors can do the fuck they want with their world but they can't once they set the story and the characters up. Some things are flexible enough to bend,but this isn't the case. Idk why it's so hard for people to understand that YOU CAN'T GO AGAINST 20 YEARS OF WRITING THE SAME THING! Especially when they are some of your most iconic and known characters–which also happen to be a main character as well. And if you do,you just ruin everything else you build so far–like he is doing.
If Riordan,or everyone else,sees Leah as their Annabeth,then that's totally ok,she is a solid actress for her after all (the writing room and the script are the problems),and is doing her best. But! Book Annabeth is different from Show Annabeth,like how Show Percy is different from Book Percy and how everyone else's version is different from their book counterparts as well,so let's not try to associate them as one.
Also,since people can't read,the hate campaign is for Riordan,btw. I don't care about the actors and only idiots would hate them for doing their jobs. The author that's ruining everything in his last books and thinks that he can discard the popularity of the books series because now he has the show,on the other hand,is a free game. After all there won't be a show in the first place without the books,and its popularity will always come second to the books series. PJO might not be as famous as HP, but it sure has its own huge audience and readers.
This was my first time (third technically,lol) being the villain of the story. 10/10 experience,would try it again in the future. Let them come for me,I'll wait for them.
Not much to say, since you pretty said it all
I used to think it was important to have common interests with the person that you are in a relationship with but now I think it is more important to be similar in other aspects. like how kind you are. how you treat the people you care about, how you treat strangers. how you deal with anger. how you deal with pain. and not necessarily dealing with all these things the same way but being perseptive enough to understand what action each situation calls for. it’s important for both people to be on the same page about what that action should be. it’s important to me to have that kind of synchrony.
I also used to think I hate people if they don’t have similar hobbies but now even if they have different opinions, I dont mind if they are willing to compromise evenly. I hate it if someone just takes. I hate it if someone just expects everything their way.
I love couples who synchronize. I love it if they know how to combine. I love it if they are both happy.
You ever find a fic writer that you're just like. Man. I wish you were in charge of canon.
I'd pay a lot for some fanfiction to replace canon
Not only that
But tell me.
Do you think ANNABETH really loves him.
Does she.
Yes
No
It's my opinion that she did love him, but not him as a person.
She love the idea of him; her (hers, as in possession) strong, perfect hero who she can mold to her own image of what a hero should be.
Percabeth is for people that never grew out of their "Girls rule, boys drool" phase.
Rachel being reduced to a way to spice up percabeth
I love Rachel and a lot of people have also noticed how even in fandom she still gets reduced to the girl that was in between the main ship.
This is not only real apparent by the blatant hate of Perachel and Rachel herself in the fandom. But also by the blatant favouritism of Annabeth in their "beef" —if you can even call it that—.
It's not only really obvious because of the justifications the toxic stand make of Annabeth's behaviour —and it is understandable for a teenager to feel jealous and be unable to process it healthily, but when her actions are treated as normal and justified and she never grows/apologizes, then there's a problem— but there's a whole new layer I'm going to talk about.
Her tag in Tumblr is flooded with the Annabeth Chase tag. And I'm not exageratting. At least half of them have her in it. Which is weird for two characters that aren't really friends. And what do most of those post talk about? The love triangle —angle— between percabeth and Perachel. And almost all of them are in favour of Percabeth and just make fun of it.
And that's fine. It is a funny situation in BOTL, even more if you think about Nico and Calypso. But her tag is not flooded with their tag names. Like at all. And I know that their "beef" was a major plotline in comparison. But it's WEIRD.
Percy's tag is also very prevalent. But that does make sense. They are friends. They did have crushes on each other. Rachel thanks to Percy discovered her sight and realised that she wasn't insane. Percy found a place with her of companionship —Romantic and platonic at the time— and normalcy with her.
But Annabeth's tag doesn't. At least it doesn't in any way that doesn't feel degrading of: herself (by shit talking her in some way), her character (by making her act more like Annabeth in that feminist RR way —girbossery and misandry—) or her MUTUAL feelings for Percy (by diminishing it as nothing.
It feels as though there are four main ways to see Rachel:
THE MAINSTREAM FANS: mostly a catalyst to speed up Percabeth. No actual personality. Is used as a way to move the romantic narrative and becomes a virgin because of it/to stop even the possibility of Perachel.
THE PERACHEL FANS: Also see her as a love interest. But tend to also love her character. But has actual depth and personality. Not much to say, just like the character's and ship's potential and channels that. Tend to get rid of the virgin oracle schtick.
THE PLATONIC PERACHEL FANS: The same as point 2 but just in a platonic way. The virgin oracle schtick changes between fans.
THE RACHEL FANS BUT PERACHEL AVOIDERS: Tend to love Rachel and like some ship other than Perachel. That is a lot of the time because they also like Percabeth. Other times it's because they hated the whole rivalry and like Rachel/Annabeth (those also tend to do the girlbossification and misandrist views RR shows amplified).
I myself realised this bcs I don't like Annabeth and it keeps bugging me. But i do feel like its an actual concern that a female character gets so reduced to the mainstream fans opinion. Obviously all this main opinions aren't able to encompass all the possible opinions of a fandom. Even less of something as nuanced as the general idea of a character in people's minds.
But I feel like it's important to still remember that this keeps happening.
I also would like to make sure to point out that I myself do not ship Perachel romantically, but as always DLDR is my philosophy. And even if im not into the ship i can appreciate the critical analysis and opinions of those who do.
Because to actually learn is to listen to everyone's opinions and critically analise them to make your own.
—Ash (me, my first quote I'm actually very proud of!!)
UWould love for anyone that has any points they want to add to this to reblogg it with their opinion bcs critical analysis of fandom and canon are super important to not have biases!
Although Percy helped her when she came back to life and played a big part in her recovery, Thalia hated him after spending 3 months at boarding school with Annabeth.
Rachel was one of Percy's closest friends until she became friends with Annabeth and they almost stopped talking.
Piper thought Percy was an idiot before they met, she heard about him from Annabeth.
Rayna thought Percy was smart and even wanted him to be a Pretor, but after one conversation with Annabeth, she decided he couldn't get out of a paper bag without help.
Annabeth's mortal friends Dave and Hannah don't even know Percy, but they think he's stupid and Annabeth is too good for him.
The question is whether this is an unlikely coincidence. Or is Annabeth lying about Percy?
At this point am confident RR is doing everything to either kiss up to Disney/Disney+, or he's he's just destroying his own work to diss anti Percabeth fans. Like, WTH is he doing with that show? I am starting to hate it more than I ever hated the movies — and that's a record.
Sure, TLT is manageable, the race swap of the casts is iffy, but okay (the kids are really trying – Tamara and Dior are literally the only that made me last this long)
But, that scene with the Sirens was the last straw. WTF did you mean, Percy didn't see, Sally, not Grover, Not Camp, but Annabeth? Really? Why are you trying to force it down our throats in freaking TSM?
Then there's the fact that Percy never on lingered that Tyson was presumably dead? Come on, RR. Wasn't this supposed to be a faithful adaptation? With the freaking author himself? Why are we getting a fanfiction written by a preteen?
Call us book purist if you like, but we stand with the source material.
I feel like the best way to describe the writing of pjo!tv is that it’s as if a man who hasn’t reread his books since they were published was told to write a script. The broad strokes are there, but things are missing, characters are pale changeling imitations of themselves, existing scenes are altered in ways that are confusing or downright contradictory.
It’s a hazy nightmare, the kind of dream that isn’t bad per se, but simply paralyzing.
Annabeth: *calls Percy impossible for not being in the mood to empathise with a guy who's tried to kill him multiple times the last time being five minutes ago and then immediately insults the girl who's risking her life to help them just because she's territorial over the guy she refuses to confess her feelings to*
annabeth core
It was Annabeth's own quest, too. She is just jealous that she has to do stuff like punch Percy and tell him to ask her for a dance, stalk him all the way to his home to get to know stuff about him and find a quest to spend time with him, while Rachel just meets him twice and immediately gets his trust.
She gives him her number and Percy memorizes it, accepts her painting of him as a gift and shows initiative in spending time with her and going on a date with her, while Annabeth's wondering how Percy could be so blind and hurtful to her and her advances. The said advances include her being aggressive with him, passive-aggressive with him, demeaning his intelligence; constantly defending his enemy and not hearing his side of it, and immediately blaming him for things he had no control over.
Like Rachel who has met Percy for barely two minutes knows Percy couldn’t have done anything about being attacked at school and offers to cover for him while Annabeth immediately gets angry at him and puts the blame on him when she knows the situation could not have been instigated by Percy. This is one of the many examples.
I know Percabeth is considered a gold standard among ships, but I will never be able to see it.