Books, Multifandom, Percy Jackson+

[cynthiav06]

I cannot believe how this hasn't been addressed in the PJO Fandom yet but does no one notice that the books, Rick himself glosses over or downplays the fact that PERCY FUCKING JACKSON GAVE UP IMMORTALITY!!!

And in reason as to why Percy gave up immortality?

The Percabeth stans are only too happy to make "Oh Percy gave up immortality for Annabeth." The hell he did. Have we read the same books? Are you really demeaning the importance of what Percy did. Cause here's what happened, and here's why it's so important:

PERCY GAVE UP IMMORTALITY SO THAT GODS COULD CLAIM DEMIGOD CHILDREN EARLY SO THAT THEY DO NOT REMAIN DEFENSELESS.

Furthermore, he did it so CHILDREN OF MINOR GODS COULD HAVE A PLACE TO BELONG TO, TO HAVE IDENTITY OF THEIR OWN, SO MINOR GODS THEMSELVES CAN BE PROPERLY ACKNOWLEDGED.

Similarly, he further added that CHILDREN OF HADES SHOULD NOT BE OSTRACIZED, THEY AS WELL AS HADES DESERVE TO BE WELCOME INTO OLYMPUS AND INTO CAMP , DESERVE PROPER RESPECT.

What ticks me off the most is how such an important sacrifice such an important change is never addressed again to the extent it deserves.

Cause this is not a surface level thing. This is going to change and better the lives of all demigods that come after or even demigods who were wrongly forced to remain in Hermes Cabin. A safe, more respectful, more meaningful environment for all demigods no matter who their godly parent is.

Are you telling that children of minor gods don't literally worship Percy for doing all this? Don't wholly completely feel grateful at least that he voiced out for them over his own difficulties? That he made a safe place for them happen?

Are you telling me that Minor Gods themselves don't feel at least a little grateful and respect Percy who did this of his own volition without having even met many Minor Gods. That he voiced out for their own children when they couldn't?

Are you telling me that Travis and Connor or any other demigods and cabin counselors don't automatically rave on about the greatness of Percy Jackson to any new arrivals in Camp Half-Blood?

Cause we were robbed of this of a proper homage to the sacrifice other demigods, Luke himself and Percy himself made to make it happen.

Piper, Leo , and Jason all seem so ignorant to it. Even newer demigods in Chalice of Gods or other books seem ignorant to this, and that's so against the usual canon representation of Camp Half-Blood as a community.

We should have seen it in Lost Hero, should have seen it in Chalice of Gods, should have seen it acknowledge repeatedly. You know why?

Yes, Percy didn't want immortality, but don't you know that deep down Percy knew exactly what immortality meant? Eternal protection from his father in his realm. No Gods bothering him, no more sacrifices or death quests. Freedom to do what he wants. To be able to spend time with his family as long as he wants without the worry of risking their safety. And he gave it all up

NOT EVEN IMMORTALITY. GODS WOULD HAVE GRANTED ANY WISH. HE COULD HAVE WISHED ANYTHING. FOR HIM TO BE PROTECTED? NO MORE QUESTS? FOR GODS TO LEAVE HIM ALONE? HE GAVE IT ALL UP, ALL OF IT.

Perseus bloody Jackson made happen what no one in the History of Camp Half-Blood has ever done. He managed to make Gods change their ignorant ways. He dismantled a culture of neglect and abuse.

And the fact Rick himself let this happen, let all this gloss over, and the fact that Percabeth stans have the AUDACITY to insinuate that he did for Annabeth and demean Luke's sacrifice, Percy's sacrifice is beyond me.

[cynthiav06]

He looked at Annabeth cause she reminded him of Luke's words and everyone else he had lost.

For the last time, he didn't give up godhood for Annabeth. And if you still think that after all this, then you have obviously missed a huge chunk of the books. He did for the Non-Olympian gods and their children, for everyone who had died to make this possible, for children of Hades, for Nico. He literally namedrops Nico two sentences after this. How can you reduce such a nuanced scene to some pathetic romantic implication?

[annaethchase]

tlt // wottg

[annaethchase]

poseidon cares about percy in his way, but the only future he could imagine for percy was tragedy, and so he regrets him.

sally not only didn’t regret percy, but saved him repeatedly from that hero’s fate by refusing to let him or herself be wholly absorbed into the world of the gods. when poseidon offered, she refused to join him in his underwater palace. she loved him but knew she would not belong there with him. she refused to reject her mortality—not in terms of lifespan, but as the world she belonged to. and percy followed in her footsteps.

when percy stands in his room with medusa’s head in a box, he considers that a greek hero from the stories would have taken it and used it to kill gabe right then. then he remembers how his father said heroes’ lives always end in tragedy, and he decides he’s not going to do it. he rejects the path his father presented as inevitable, and he makes his own.

he has the chance to stay at camp year-round rather than return to his mom and mortal life, and he chooses to go back. he has the chance to remain on ogygia, escape the prophecy, escape war, escape mortality and humanity and conflict, and he chooses to leave.

when he turns down the gods’ offer of immortality, he chooses mortality the same way sally did. he says this is where i belong—this is the life i’m supposed to lead. it would be unnatural for him to join the gods. to endure for all of eternity while the possibilities for his future blink out of existence and the people he loves fade away would have been just as tragic an ending for him as an early death.

percy’s mortal side is powerful, and he is protected by it because sally showed him how to embrace it.

[cynthiav06]

I know Poseidon is often called out on the things he said to Percy at the end of tlt, but I think they showcase more about his love than his regret. The conversation is vastly misunderstood, in my opinion.

At this point in the series Poseidon needed Percy for restoring his name and to act on his behalf as Percy was shaping up to be the child of the prophecy and we all know how eager Hades and Zeus were to want their own children to be the child of prophecy; all for the glory of it.

The fact that Poseidon is the only one who admits that he regrets it and knows the fate he has brought up on Percy by making him the child of the prophecy. Poseidon is the one who repeatedly states that he is sorry for all the misery the fate of a hero will bring upon Percy, and we have seen exactly how right Poseidon was. The fact that he was moved enough by the amount of suffering Percy would have in his path to berate himself repeatedly and ADMIT MISTAKE ON HIS PART, THAT HE A GOD MADE THE WRONG CHOICE.

Furthermore, if Poseidon wanted to deceive Percy he could have told him comforting lies but he did not. He told Percy the truth of it; how heroes don't have pleasant endings. And that he hopes Percy will be the exception but regardless the fault lies with him.

The highlight, however, is that Poseidon didn't end the conversation on a bad note. He frequently kept drawing between Percy's similarities with himself and the sea, and he ended the conversation by letting Percy know he was very proud of what he did and that Percy was his; a true child of the sea.

There was a different light in his eyes, a fiery kind of pride. “You did well, Perseus. Do not misunderstand me. Whatever else you do, know that you are mine. You are a true son of the Sea God.”

- The Lightning Thief

If this wasn't a telling quote by itself, he further told Percy about the Medusa's package and a choice he could make. He openly wants to help Percy and Sally. He didn't have to do any of this, but he did because Poseidon cares, and that's the worst thing for a God. It's never going away. He consistently calls it a mistake because no matter who remembers or not, Poseidon will carry it with himself for eternity. That a child he loved so much, a child he had with Sally, a woman he goes as far as to call Queen among mortals, is suffering because of his indiscretions. I think that's the realization that struck him then itself during the conversation. It's one of the dynamics I like so well about Percy and Poseidon.

[hailraykin-deactivated20230814]

Reblog to give mutuals a break from whatever they're been going through

[love555999]

Hating Annabeth is misogyny - Sorry, but I'm allowed to hate any fictional character I want, especially if the fictional character acts like Annabeth. To be honest, I think that makes you a misogynist! You define Annabeth as "just a woman" and can't think of any other reason why people dislike her other than be a woman.

In addition, if hating even one woman who doesn't really exist makes you a misogynist, then everyone in the world is a misogynist. I'm sure if you're an Annabeth Stan reading this, you don't like me, and guess what? Drums, drums, drums, I'm a woman! You are misogynist, Even if you don't hate me, I can name real people and fictional characters that I'm sure you don't like, and surprise - they're women! For example, Dolores Umbridge.

According to the logic of some Annabeth fans, hating Umbridge is misogyny because she is a woman But why stop at women? According to the logic of those fans, hating Luke Castellan can be explained by hating men and not by the fact that he tried to kill children! If we follow this logic even more, every fictional character or real person you hate is because of hating women/men, Muslims/Jews/Christians/... Whites/Browns/Blacks And so many more that I don't have time to write.

Imagine the bully who bullied you. You hate him because his eyes are green, not because he made your life a nightmare! Or the girl who spread lies about you. You hate her just because she doesn't share your religion!

conclusion: Saying that someone hates fictional character because he is a "misogynist" is stupid in my opinion, especially since many of the people who hate Annabeth are women themselves Also, the hatred for many of the things I mentioned is real. I myself have received death threats because of some of them (religion, country...) but saying that someone hates a fictional character just because she is female is ridiculous especially because many of her haters are women and I used that just to show how ridiculous it is

[ididntwanttobeahalfblood]

When Percy goes to college (in NYC), he’s going to be that guy every art student is going to be sketching/painting/drawing because he’s so handsome and has that great mysterious yet powerful vibe that just pulls you in. 

It’s gonna be real awkward in art class when a majority of the students have drawn the same guy they saw hanging out at the park or whatever and thought “yes, such beauty. such grace. that’s the one. he’s my muse”.

And the professors are like, “yep, that’s that handsome boy again. god when will he graduate and leave these poor impressionable art majors alone.”

In all of this, Percy remains oblivious. 

[thegirlfromcabinsix]

I saw this on my dash and the tags from @botls made me want to try writing it out so…

The last time I took art was in high school, so I don’t really have a good idea of what an art class beyond that would be like. I apologise if this doesn’t seem realistic, but I hope I did the prompt some justice anyway.

______

It started with two students in Hans Andrews’ freshman art class.

Students in that class were required to turn in portrait studies every week as practice, and as a way to track their progress. He encouraged them to watch people and observe how they move, then to capture that in drawings. He found that helped them draw more dynamic and natural figures.

Two weeks into the semester, he found a series of sketches of a boy wearing t-shirt and jeans in two different people’s sketchbooks. Briefly, he wondered if they did their homework together, but the works varied enough that it can be deduced they have been done separately. 

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[sunelloise]

This could have been a reblog but I hate it when contrarians do that to me so I'm not doing that to this person.

Friend, you are missing the point of why people hate percabeth. I don't hate that Annabeth is a mess, I hate that she gets away with being a mess while holding Percy to perfect boyfriend standards. I hate that she gets to have complex feelings about Luke but gods forbid Percy even *look* at another girl just to be his friend.

Fantastic character flaw, if annoying and immature, but a horrible trait in an allegedly loving and supportive girlfriend.

I hate that her being a mess is constantly dismissed by Percy and everyone else meanwhile he cannot fuck up whatsoever in their relationship without swift consequences and Annabeth never letting him live it down. He can't even start doing well in school without her perceiving a threat to 'her thing' and getting jealous and petty about it.

Fantastic character flaw, if annoying and immature, but a horrible trait in an allegedly loving and supportive girlfriend.

She doesn't have to be a perfect girlfriend, she doesn't have to be a perfect person. No one is asking for this whose opinion is worth their salt. We are asking that she takes the hits she gives. If Annabeth gets to be snippy at Percy when she's frustrated, she needs to be able to take it when he's snippy at her when he's frustrated, and she can't.

"Not simply about learning to treat their boyfriends better" --great! Then let her be single if she can't handle a healthy relationship. Nobody, gender regardless, is entitled to a romance, and nobody, gender regardless, deserves to suffer for someone else's immaturity in that romance.

It isn't a crime to make teenage girls do things wrong. It is harmful, however, to romanticize and excuse that behavior just because they're girls. Feminism isn't about "but the boys were mean so now I'm entitled to be mean back now that I have power" it's about equality, breaking the cycle of abuse, not giving a fuck about gender at all and who's "superior". Otherwise we just keep going around in circles.

I'd love nothing more than for every girl in the cast to have an arc independently of the men in their lives. That's not the case, unfortunately, and the way Annabeth treats the man in her life is inexcusable.

[ofswordsandpens]

sure Annabeth seeing the fates cut the string is something that is interesting and even arguably powerful in a way but like, at the end of the day it's not about who's closest to Luke? Percy is the one to see the string cut because its foreshadowing the outcome of the great prophecy... and the great prophecy is specifically about Percy and Luke. "A half-blood of the eldest gods" and "the hero's soul, cursed blade shall reap." Like Percy and Luke's paths are quite literally woven together by design. By fate. They are foils. They are mirror images. They are figure heads of the opposing sides. Yes, Annabeth has deeper, more personal ties to Luke and her belief in Luke's goodness is central to the story, but it's Percy's decision to hand Luke the dagger and Luke's decision to take his own life that ends the war. So, if Percy truly does not end up seeing the fates in the show at all, I'm afraid we've truly lost the essence of the plot.

[ofswordsandpens]

made a mistake and went on the pjo show subreddit and saw people justifying and praising this change because "percy only saw the fates cause he's the main character and in the book he didn't even know Luke yet when he saw the string cut so it doesn't make sense. Annabeth's more relevant." and just oh my god... oh my god

[ofswordsandpens]

#save me media literacy save me #its funny cause people are like /it's a child series/ and it IS yet we're struggling with concepts like foreshadowing. literary foils. #subverting expectations. #themes of fate. destiny. #pjo show crit #/percy saw them because he's the main character/ literally yeah? he's the main character for a reason? #his story mirrors the antagonist's? #they're two sides of the same coin? #like sorry percy's gonna have higher cosmic significance than the other characters #but the series is indeed called Percy Jackson and the Olympians for a reason

adding my own tags

[ace-and-ranty]

Also like. The string-cutting isn't just foreshadowing, it's supposed to be a threat. To Percy, definitely. But also, to the audience.

The implication that Percy is gonna die starts with the fates. And then it carries through the whole series and into the prophecy reveal right up until he gives Luke the dagger. The thread-cutting is supposed to threaten Percy, and us, with his upcoming death.

Dangling Percy's death over our heads is one of the biggest driving tensions in the series, and it is, you know, a huge deal for Percy's character, that he's been cosmically warned he's most likely, probably gonna die, and he still keeps fighting.

There is never the same kind of threat on Annabeth's life. If anything her life is less in danger, because we know Luke doesn't want to kill her. So are we supposed to think the thread is hers? Or are we supposed to know already she's seeing someone else's line getting cut?

Oh wait. This is the "I know who you are" series. Maybe we are already supposed to guess this isn't Annabeth's thread. Yaaaayyy....

[ruegarding]

i never want to read annabeth being surprised percy is intelligent ever again in any way at any point for any reason.

[ruegarding]

i'm tired of this.

[ackerlikesmen]

At face value, these qoutes don't seem problematic, even a little cute and funny, but knowing context, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Now, I have no gotten too far ahead of PJO but from the little I know, there's an obvious pattern that Annabeth puts a role that she's the smart one and Percy isn't. Percy himself admits that more than once, and I think Annabeth had too.

Maybe Annabeth doesn't think Percy is stupid, but she wants to have this title to set a power balance, and that makes me uncomfortable and annoyed. She uses knowledge and Percy's mistakes to kinda weaponize it against him. Like I said, a power dynamic. Intentionally or not, that's not a good thing.

Percy has shown many times he's smart and clever, even besting Annabeth at times. She shouldn't be surprised, acting like he's never smart or some shit.

Personally, that is insulting because, like I said, she's been around him since they were kids, and has seen him outsmart other people before. She even admits he's not dumb, yet she wants to make him feel dumb and like he can't do anything without her, which is controlling.

And with Percy having low self-esteem, he doesn't recognize the problem, which makes me sad.

[cynthiav06]

Percy is a genius, and it's not debatable. He came up with most of the strategies in all of their quests; his improvisation ability is off the charts. He can speak more than four languages. He canonically surpassed Annabeth in academic grade as soon as he put in the effort.

He was the sole strategic powerhouse of the entire Battle of Olympus, and his manipulative and strategic abilities are the only reason Annabeth got out of Tartarus. It was his doing when river gods and Poseidon joined and eventually helped win the Battle of Olympus; all because Percy clocked Kronos's plan before anyone else.

He is also emotionally intelligent enough to be able to read between the lines when people speak and prompt them to divulge information they wouldn't otherwise divulge.

Percy Jackson was running an illegal candy scheme when he was in school and was independent enough to have a part-time job at 12 and manage several. He is the most gifted swordsman in the last 5 centuries. His sword fights with Ethan, Luke, and his battles in Tartarus are proof of that. His battle strategy is so instinctive and much more polished than most people, especially Annabeth, due to his more hands-on experience with lethal combat.

[cynthiav06]

I think that if Ethan had lived he and Percy probably could have become good friends and they would have balanced each other out nicely

This is one of the few things I have to say I have never even thought about. I re read the Ethan books to make up my mind on it. [Botl and Tlo and the Demigod files for those of you who want to know]. Arguments can be made in both directions, so I tried to break it down as much as possible.

I think they could learn to be friends, but I don't think that they would be very close friends because they have such fundamentally different beliefs and values. Ethan, like Luke, is someone who has no scruples doing what it takes to achieve what he wants. The only difference between Ethan and Luke is that Luke's nature is more geared toward callousness than Ethan is due to his upbringing.

To Ethan, Percy is deluded for his belief in opposing his and Luke's cause and privileged because of Poseidon's favor upon him, along with his being a big three child.

To Percy, as forgiving as he is, remembers the amount of chances he gave Ethan and how each time he answered him with a bigger betrayal and therefore doesn't have the best opinion of Ethan's choices.

Percy spares his life? Ethan pledges himself to Kronos.

Percy pleads him to choose the right path and reconsider? Ethan is the one to capture Beckendorf and rough him up.

Percy again requests him to choose better? Ethan stabs Annabeth

Ethan is also the one who stole the Sword of Hades for Kronos initially.

Plus, when Prometheus arrives to parley with Percy, Ethan is still hostile against him.

Granted, he beyond redeems himself when he doesn't attack Percy and quite literally jumps Kronos. I mean, he would still have done Percy a favor by not attacking him and not revealing his mortal point to Kronos and then fleeing for safety. But he literally lunges at Kronos, knowing death is the only consequence. Sure, Kronos and his legions might have chased him later on but he might have had some chances of prolonging his life but he instead did something brave even at the cost of his life which I think is what gets most readers to love him. That and his raw intensity when he tells Percy he gave his eye for balance.

I think the only foundation for Percy and Ethan having a chance of being good friends is the fact that Percy honored Ethan and repeatedly remembers him and Ethan is one of the only few people who influenced Percy to make the wish he did. The other two are Luke and Nico, primarily. And the dead demigod comrades secondarily. Michael, Castor, Beckendorf, Silena, Bianca and so on.

That and the parallel that Nemesis took Ethan's eye as sacrifice for balance he wanted and the fact that Percy was the key to bringing that balance. I think Ethan would have loved to see Percy making that wish and denying Zeus's offer for immortality.

In the end, both Ethan and Luke have caused Percy extreme pain. And though I think Luke is irredeemable I can see Ethan coming around to accept the camp and though he will never forgive the Olympians, he will at least leave his bitterness behind because Ethan like his mother respects balance. And Percy kept his end of the deal.

I think Ethan would like the fact that Percy, due to his fatal flaw and his inherent nature, respects deals/promises as much as he does.

There's a snippet in the Hidden Oracle where Percy says he has lost friends to bad influence before and he mentioned Ethan there so we can safely say Percy assumes they could have been friends.

Whether or not they would be close and become good friends after everything that's happened between them is hard to tell because Percy keeps his trauma closed up and rarely processes it and I don't think anyone should expect Percy to forgive people literally out to murder him just because he is a good person and his fatal flaw is loyalty. I have seen this ask about Luke too, and I just don't see why we want Percy to always keep forgiving people who have caused him so much grief and anguish.

But aside from that, had Ethan defected before the Last Olympian, and during Battle of Labyrinth, I think he and Percy would have found common ground eventually and would become close enough to be friends for sure.

[ackerlikesmen]

To my lovely anti-Percabeth stans,

I know it's tiring having certain stans on your blogs, mocking you, dismissing you, and just being surrounded by mean people. I get it. Having to defend yourself against crazy stans for daring to criticize Annabeth and Percabeth (in writing) is exhausting and annoying. Most importantly, some of you feel alone, sad, or ashamed for expressing your true disdain.

Know this: Your opinion matters too.

Sure, it's criticism, and that's okay. You shouldn't be made to feel bad for expressing dislike towards canon. Who cares that it's not popular! You're allowed to express it.

Seeing some stans flooding our tags and pages kind of annoys me because they're not here for discussion. You challenge our points, that's fine. However, that's not happening. They're here to attack and belittle you because you don't like canon material and how it was handled.

It's not exclusive to the PJO fandom; it's a common issue in every fandom, unfortunately.

However, I want you to know that it's okay to dislike canon, and it's perfectly fine to share your feelings about it professionally. You're not a fake fan for disliking canon. You're not illiterate or dumb because you don't see what they see. Just because the fandom likes it doesn't mean you're wrong for pointing out issues.

It breaks my heart seeing these hardcore stans gang up on some of you to the point of bullying and harassing. It gets so bad to the point, accounts are deleted. Pressuring you to leave the fandom, silencing you, and stopping you from doing what you love, because some purist bullies can't handle criticism towards canon material. If you have to block, block. If you have to report, report (when necessary). You're not a coward for doing that.

Anyways, I want to thank my mutuals for having my back. @deliajackson , @cynthiav06 , and @ogjacksonsimp !!!! Thank you very much for checking on me and defending me from assholes.

@reaperkeiro , buddy, you did a fantastic job defending your position, and I hope you don't feel discouraged.

Last

To the percabeth stans lurking in my acc and fanart, I'm flattered you guys save my fan art and share it with your friends! I'm making more just for you! And don't worry, it's NSFW. ;) I'll make sure Apollo pulls Percy's hair, slaps his ass, and calls him a good boy too.

But seriously, I will continue to express my distaste for PJO writing, particularly on percabeth, and if that upsets you, you can always block me. Why the fuck should I and others have to keep our thoughts to ourselves while yours are shared and pushed down our throats? Some of you get annoyed with us simply pointing out what's wrong with the ship and its writing. We're not attacking you, we're attacking the writing and its flaws.

Bringing up my ship to invalidate anything I say is such a low blow. Yes, I ship Perpollo, Nicercy, and Jercy, and I'm so damn happy and proud. They're great ships, and the fan art and fan fiction are marvelous. I'm doing a book rec soon sooooo stay tuned!

I've said it before, but I'll repeat it: Percy and the demigods are ADULTS in my drawings and fics. So rest easy.

If percabeth stans can age up Percy and Annabeth to have them make out or do sensual activities (yes, this is popular among Pinterest, Instagram, Tumblr, and a03) or foam over hot shirtless Percy fics, or write Percy x Y/N and imagine yourself doing devil's tango with him, I don't see why I can't age up Perpollo, Nicercy, and Jercy and do the same. I bet some of them have hot Percy fanart saved on their devices or salivate at how hot he is. "But he's a minor!" they say, yet they do this. Be consistent and call them out too, or get off your high horse.

Overall, I'm very grateful for my mutes and the support I've received. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Remember, you are not a fake, disgruntled, or ungrateful fan for disliking canon material. If you don't like it, that's okay, and you're free to express that. As long as you're attacking the writing and arguments, you're perfectly fine.

Alrighty, everyone, I'll see you next time.

Love, Ackers!

[deliajackson]

"Perpollo is wrong on so many levels..."

List to me, please. Why is it wrong? And who are you to decide if it is wrong. I would really like to know.

I have seen a few harpies going after a friend of mine, and their argument to invalidate why she dislikes Perc*Beth is hunting her down by shipping Perpollo.

I am not going to enter in anti-perc*beth discussion. My opinion on the matter is very much open. My only comment on that matter: people have the right to have a different interpretation about something - especially in literature - than yours.

Now let's address the elephant in the room:

• First argument: "Percy is a minor"

They used the arts to say that Percy was a minor to pass @ackerlikesmen as a non-relient person... and the fact is... No. Percy isn't.

Now let me clarify, since these people are as smart as Polyphemus to the point they need to be told word by word to understand something simple.

Percy isn't a minor in the art @ackerlikesmen did. She pointed out many times she aged up the character in her art.

While in a fandom, you can make art (be it on fanart, be it on fanfic) about a character and age them up on it. It is something pretty common... In any fandom you go. Especially in the ones you make modern au, or cafeteria au when the original setting is passed in high school or school. You will see plentiful fanarts about older Anya with Damian from spyxfamily, so they can write a fic where both of them are teenagers who have a crush on each other. Most part of these stories are literally: hurt/comfort, fluff, idiots in love, t-rated. You will see many fics in BNH about any ship in which they are adult heroes to make a ship sail. Even before the end of Naruto shippuden, people wrote tons and tons of fics and fanarts of adult!Naruto, adult!Sasuke, adult!Sakura, adult!Gaara to the point when the actual canon adult characters designs appeared people got disappointed with it.

It used to be very much commun in HP fandom as well when I was in it, to age characters up to write a more mature fic, or a fic which passes in a professional environment, such as a lot of drarry as magical-police officers fanfics and fanarts out there. There are many other couples I am not going to quote here, since it is not the point.

In the end, these accusations are not done in good faith. It is made up to make an appeal to ridiculous.

I am not inventing words:

"Appeal to ridicule (also called appeal to mockery, ad absurdo, or the horse laugh) is an informal fallacy which presents an opponent's argument as absurd, ridiculous, or humorous, and therefore not worthy of serious consideration."

And to simplify your understanding:

Falacy: an idea that a lot of people think is true but is in fact false.

Ad absurdo is not sustainable in a discussion, much less in a debate. It is rather childish, in fact, to use it in such places.

Now with that said: there are tons of p*ercabeth fics and fanarts out there, way more than perpollo - or nicercy to that matter - with mature, sugestive content. As it is very easy to find their fans giggling over the stable scene, or implying the fact that Rick isnt innocent for making Percy living alone and Ann*beth having a hat that permits her to be invisible, or how you see many fans fangirling using the scene where Percy talks about "desert" with Ann*beth nearby. There are many other examples. You only need to search pjo in TikTok or Tumblr, and you will see it.

Where is your morality then, when you start fangirling and obsessing with the idea of two teenagers having sex while you are a grown adult? Where are your worries with "underage"?

Hands down. That is only a food for tought.

Eitherway: So the art you showned with "minor percy"? Debunked.

• Second argument: the age gap

Honestly, I find this argument with the immortal x mortal trope rather ridiculous. It can bother you, and it is your right to dislike it.

But in fiction an immortal is not bound by the same laws of humans, simply because they lived centuries and millenia. They are not humans, some immortals have never even been a human in some point of their lives. There is no "base IRL" to say how they would act and behave or the psychology of such beings. We never had contact with one.

They are myths and legends.

You are not going to see Lord Apollon walking down the streets of Creta, nor a vampire running around at night on London, or see fairies building something on a garden in ireland, or see kamis and yōkais in the forests of Japan. For many, these beings do not exist. (I am not going to enter in faith here.)

Every person they would have a relationship with, the age gap would still be huge. A lady, or a man, with 75 yrs old, would still be considered rather young to a being who have lived thousands and thousands of years if we take it to real world.

What it is a great time to remember: This is fiction.

And gods - and other immortal mythological beings - falling in love with humans are in every culture you can think of, and still exists in media to this day: From the terrible cringe romance between Edward and Bella from Twilight, to Jane Foster and Thor from Marvel (comics and movie).

In greek mythology?

You have Pelops and Poseidon.

Apollo and Hyacinthus

Hermes and Crocus

Many other examples to count.

If someone is writing about a divine, mythological beings in fics: It is up to the writer decide how they will write such beings in the narrative.

You may find criticism on the portrayal, but that will happen whenever you make something public.

Every fic I read of Perpollo are with adult!Percy, be it fem!Percy or not. That is for my comfort, because I am not comfortable otherwise.

In the end of the day: you have the right to dislike the trope, but not act as a pantheon of morality and condemn other people who likes it.

• Third argument: "They are cousins"

So is Ann*beth and Percy. Sorry to tell you this, but you can't decide when you use the "Gods don't have DNA in riordanverse" excuse as something valid and when it is not. You fall into a contradiction.

Point taken: it is greek mythology. I have read a few works of Sophocles (... And Jocasta and Oedipus was disturbing, ngl) and Hesiod. I can assure you, when I put my hands on any greek mythology related material, I am very much aware of my triggers, and I know how to deal with incest in these works. What most part of the PJO fandom doesn't seem to be mature enough to do.

One hypocrisy - not on you, i dont know your opinion regarding this - but I find rather funny in these discussions is how Lady Persephone and Lord Hades are put on a pedestal as the perfect couple in greek mythology by these people, when Hades literally kidnapped her. Persephone is his niece, Hades is her uncle. But I don't see many people out there condemning them for incest, abduction, and forced marriage. This is not related to the discussion. Now going back to the post...

• Argument four: "Percy hates the gods/Apollo"

Point one: That is a lie.

Point two: It is a crack ship.

Let me make it clear: Percy do not hate the gods as much as you believe he does. Actually if we take the books it is rather confusing how he feels about them. (Now. That is Rick's fault for not being consistent with characterization...) but

Percy canonically has very contradicting feelings towards his father from love to resentment. What it is fair, and realistic, with we are being honest.

Percy canonically goes to Atlantis, and canonically Amphitrite bakes him cookies.

Percy is canonically Hermes's friends.

Percy canonically cared for Bobby in the end of House of Hades.

Percy canonically respects Artemis.

Most part of the time, he seems indifferent or annoyed towards most part of the gods, with only a few exception such as Zeus and Ares. Annoyance, dislike and hatred are two very different things. Luke hated the gods. Percy does not.

Now about Percy hating Apollo: As a crack ship, the author can write anything about them. Literally. The only limit is imagination. He can make Percy start being friend of Apollon, surpassing his distrust on him. He can make Percy being indifferent of him at first. Or else. Or they can just jump and write "established relationship" so they can write a one shot fluff.

It is crack. It is supposed to be funny and relied entirely on imagination.

You wanna defend your case, use valid arguments instead of backlashing people for having a different opinion - and ship - than your own.

[cynthiav06]

Could not have said it better myself. To all the stans going after @ackerlikesmen, are you that eager to show your lack of media literacy? Aged up character art, crack ship mention, and a fictional pairing. What other neon signs do you need to comprehend this?

The fact that in response to a valid argument against percabeth, most of the stans resorted to attacking the blog over actually presenting any counter arguments is telling enough. Even on that post, an entire reblog of logical arguments was made, and instead, all stans present responded with childish and cheap insults.

Do keep in mind that due to actions of some, not all, percabeth shippers, most of the fandom that either ships anything else or multiships has had awful experience with the percabeth fandom and is a recurring situation so now might be the time to stay in your tags and your own side of the fandom and to let everyone else have their peace.

There's enough instances of adult implications in most ships in pjo fandom consistently by shippers. It is absolute hypocrisy to try and tear down something just because it doesn't meet your shallow understanding. As has been repeatedly said, any logical counter arguments and debates are fully welcome. But if you are here to simply hate on something, be prepared to be criticized for such actions.

[starryxcore]

"controlling percys friend network and lowkey isolating him" JUST PUT THE FRIES IN THE BAG BRO 😭🙏

[reaperkeiro]

Annabeth isolates him a lot. Even though Percy was the savior of Olympus, Annabeth demeaned him to be just be called her boyfriend in Lost Hero because she could not stand being inferior to him. Annabeth deserves all the hate.

[starryxcore]

girl percy was IN SLUMBER during tlh how is she gonna isolate him when theres no one to isolate 💔

like i said bro PUT THE FRIES IN THE BAGGGG

[reaperkeiro]

God, you are such a seaweed brain. That title suits you more than Percy. Isolating means pushing people away from the person. Of course, Percy does not have to be there for her ego. She is inflating herself while he is absent.

[ackerlikesmen]

It's no use. They're not going to address anything you said. It's like talking to a brick wall. They'll defend Annie from anything.

Good job, though, Reaper!

[cynthiav06]

Allow me to elaborate. You see @reaperkeiro and @ackerlikesmen are far too sensible and rational to waste time in convincing you of something they already know is the truth. But I have some free time today and am happy to serve you fries with a side of facts:

(Feel free to look up all of these instances in the actual source matrlerial and verify for yourself.)

Percy helped in saving Thalia's tree and played a massive role in her recovery. Yet Thalia hated him until the end of the quest. In Titan's curse it’s briefly stated that Chiron sent Annabeth and Thalia to an all girls boarding school in Brooklyn. Annabeth seemed to have not even vouched for Percy in all that time nor tried to improve Thalia's impression of Percy.

Another effect of Thalia's resurrection is that the entirety of Camp ostracized Percy & celebrated Thalia. Annabeth neither showed support to Percy nor any disapproval of Camp's actions.

Annabeth in Botl is heavily against Percy making any mortal friends or having mortal friends. She even insults and disrespects Rachel even though Rachel is the one who is actually going to make Annabeth's quest possible and is the key component.

She follows it up in The Last Olympian by being heavily against Percy meeting up with Rachel even though she is the only one actually emotionally supporting him through what by then is considered his death prophecy.

Annabeth has the audacity to make Percy feel uncomfortable with even bringing up Rachel's name as he himself says so in HoH. And how she likes to see his discomfort and keep him on his toes. In literal Tartarus.

Annabeth is unreasonably angry when Percy mentions befriending Calypso and is very aggressive with him over the fact as well.

Reyna has extremely high opinion of Percy. Knows he is smart and voted him to be Praetor. In House of Hades when Reyna and Percy reunite and she is praising him, Annabeth immediately interjects and puts pressure on Reyna to demean Percy and praise her.

Annabeth is friends with Piper. And Piper has some comments in her pov on how she thinks Percy was stupid or how Annabeth is perfect to control a guy like Percy. Which was right after Annabeth and Piper’s conversation in MoA, which is the height of toxicity. Which also means Annabeth isn't giving honest opinions of Percy to anyone and wants them to think of her as the brains which is heavily incorrect.

Furthermore it's her insistence that they should go to NRU. In Chalice of the Gods, Percy comments how he wished he didn't have to bother with all this NRU business and how he isn't sure he wants to leave Paul and Sally especially when Sally is pregnant. And has to go cause Annabeth's going.

Annabeth's mortal friends, Dave and Hannah, don't even know Percy, but they think he's stupid and that Annabeth is too good for him. It is highly unlikely that they haven't shared their view with Annabeth or the fact that Annabeth's words about Percy didn't end up influencing their view of him negatively.

Now you can infer from all these things whatever you want. Two things remain unchanged. Annabeth displays toxic jealousy, and Annabeth looks down on Percy and wants her friends and all the circle to think highly of her rather than Percy. Annabeth is the common denominator in all these things.

If you must be reminded, her fatal flaw is hubris. This is very consistent with some of her other behavior. And is a persistent part of Annabeth's character throughout the books.

I can understand some Percabeth stans are averse to critically thinking of their ship so as to avoid the glaring flaws, but I suggest you do not try to invalidate reasonable arguments via childish denial.

[b00kl0ver345]

I was scrolling on Pinterest and saw a pin that said something around the lines of “ maturing is realizing Percy was the problem in botl” and im just like no no its not like what brought you to this conclusion because im over hear thinking what you want the previously abused FOURTEEN year old to realize that oh this emotionally repressed blonde girl who constantly hurts me and disrespects my boundaries and I am genuinely terrified of is in love with me even though whenever I talk about this older blonde boy who has tried to Murder me SEVERAL times and how I don’t think he is able to have a redemption arc said emotionally repressed blonde girl screams at me not to mention she’s being a jerk to my ONLY mortal friend the ONLY mortal I willing interact with positively because I’ve had such negative experiences with them and nobody else is even remotely close to wanting to be my friend so it is this redhead that I accidentally sliced through with my thankfully magic sword so it didn’t kill her and my mom and Paul that I actually have good relationships with in the mortal world and unlike said emotionally repressed blonde girl this is not a willing decision literally people refuse to come near me oh and let’s not forget there’s also the little Italian boy who as far as im aware wants to trade my soul for his dead sisters who I said I would TRY MY BEST to protect her not promise make note of that oh yeah and on my sixteenth birthday I will most likely fall to a horrible fate but I don’t know what said fate is because I’m “not ready yet” and the only reason I’m falling to this mysterious fate is because I chose the Prophecy because oh yeah this little grieving Italian boy is the son of hades but I made my only to friends at the time promise not tell anybody that he’s the son of hades

but yeah Percy’s the problem(heavily sarcastic)

[cynthiav06]

If it was anyone else but Percy, they would have crashed out ages ago. Funny how fandom talks about how Percy has anger issues when the entire series is just Percy dealing with the most uncooperative and unhelpful people imaginable while the entirety of the enemy forces are out for his blood and HE IS STILL HOLDING HIMSELF TOGETHER. I swear Percy has ungodly amounts of patience. He loses control twice, in an entirely justified and understandable manner, and suddenly, "Percy's unhinged, Percy's sadistic, Percy is always angry."

Yes, he has anger issues. It's part of the Child of Poseidon package. He is still literally the calmest demigod imaginable when it comes to getting things done. You push Percy too far and too often, and he will push back. Just once is all it takes. What's even more ironic is that people complain that Percy is a Gary Sue character, and when Percy finally gets into conflicts and crashes out, everybody is immediately offended.

[scarareg]

Perseus Jackson

Nico di Angelo

Rachel Elizabeth Dare

Leo Valdez

Hazel Levesque

Reyna Avila Ramírez-Arellano

Percy Jackson + Fave Characters

[camrlart]

i love you like all-fire

[fanme25]

They remind me of Percy and Rachel.

[sunelloise]

I saw this post claiming that anyone who hates Annabeth Chase must be sexist and just a raging misogynist and, after blocking that person for their inability to think critically coupled with a heavy dose of misandry, I just sat back and wondered in what world you grew up in where you can think in such childish absolutes.

There are absolutely people in this fandom and many others who make up scenarios just to hate on her and who strawman her case with heavy confirmation bias as if she's a jezebel poisoning the sanctity of the books.

They do not speak for every single possible critique of Annabeth, and this person needs to check their own confirmation bias before slapping 'sexist' on anyone daring to insult their sweet little blorbo.

What’s funny about Annabeth in particular is that she’s a very clear result of a middle-aged white man’s attempt at writing a teenage girl and she’s swimming in the unseen biases of unintentional misogyny like many of the female characters in the series. Riordan is still leagues ahead of other male authors who attempt the same, but he is limited in his lived experiences and it shows.

I love Annabeth, as a character, she’s fascinating and her flaws make her both very frustrating and give her a ton of depth. Great love interest? No.

That person argued that everyone hating percabeth does so because they must never have had a healthy relationship, on the grounds of being able to smack and insult each other and understand that it’s just fun.

Yes, that is a sign of a healthy relationship.

Except here it’s one-sided.

Percy is not allowed to insult her or hit her and when he does make obtuse statements that she perceives as insults, she is very quick to take offense. Percy would never deliberately insult her or hit her, he doesn’t have an abusive bone in his body.

Annabeth's jealousy and arrogance make her a good character with understandable flaws. Jealousy and aggression toward her boyfriend's female friends does not make her a good girlfriend and being upset that he so much as looks at girls like Rachel is not at all the basis of a healthy relationship.

Once again, giving the child who grew up bullied and called stupid by students, teachers, and his stepfather, who self-deprecates constantly, a smartass girlfriend who is verbally and physically abusive (but she’s a girl so it’s cute) who’s oh-so-loving nickname for him is ‘seaweed brain,’ was a bizarre choice.

And it's not sexist to point out, as a girl, that this girl is imperfect and a bad love interest. Calling anyone who hates female characters sexist while in the same breath blindly adoring any female character because she's a girl is the exact same bigotry in the opposite direction.

[cynthiav06]

I would say louder for people in the back, but there's not much you can do for willfully blind and willfully deaf. At some point, no matter how nostalgic and happy a thing makes you, its glaring flaws have to be acknowledged. But if you can't, at least don't go into blogs that are trying to, as rationally as possible, explain those flaws and show the horrible message they send in their own space and harass them with misogynistic, sexist claims and send death threats over that.

It's a fictional world. It's not realistic, sure, but some things tend to stick in people's minds. There's nothing wrong with pointing out the unhealthy dynamics present and to make it clear for other people to make up their own opinion about it. Cause fictional or not, we all easily end up idolizing a character or a ship dynamic, and it can make us blind and irrational. Just because a contrasting opinion exists doesn't make all the good things invalid. But just cause there are good sides doesn't make the bad things untrue either.

The pjo fandom absolutely needs to learn a thing or two, if not more, about this stuff. The sheer amount of toxicity over literally anything is insane. Stick to stuff you like. Ignore which you do not. And don't go harassing people in posts tagged anti for no reason.

[dranktwocoffees]

"in front of us was an empty pool that would've been awesome for skateboarding" "the carriage is made of such light wood that if you wipe out making the hairpin turns at either end of the track, you'll probably tip over and crush both the chariot and yourself. It's an even better rush than skateboarding" omg boy we GET IT

[cynthiav06]

He definitely tries to get some younger kids at camp into skateboarding. And he is not above flexing some tricks cause of a bet he made with Clarisse on doing some insane stunts with the board that would get any normal guy killed or severely injured. This starts some sort of weird tradition at CHB for sure.