There are no pacts between lions and men

@deathinthebag

Kill the king and take his crown; burn his thrown and watch him die.

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All this hate I’ve been getting sure has opened my eyes, I now mindlessly agree. Any being a woman finds unworthy of life is nothing but lowly scum, to be discarded at the earliest convenience, life only has value if a woman directly grants it. Women themselves are holy and unquestionable, they are so holy that they should not be held responsible for there actions. How could they have known that sex leads to pregnancy, such a connection is completely unfeasible. I thank all the angry trolls, and messengers of feigned outrage, you have opened my eyes.

lmao someones upset they got corrected multiple times

not our fault you used a faulty argument )’:

plus its really telling that you had multiple people explain reasonably the faults in your reasoning and your response is childishly reducing the argument to a strawman. if you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen.

Wow your one self righteous little rodent. Those mean and evil fetus's keep maliciously attacking and violating those nice women's right to bodily autonomy.

how many times do i have to say this i literally do not care what your thoughts on abortion are, you don't get to use the holocaust as a "thought experiment". you do not get to use it as a comparison. because not everyone thinks what you typed up is horrible. there are still people who want all jews dead, and when you write something like that, it validates them, and is terrifying for a jewish person to read because so many people disguise antisemitism as a "thought experiment".

So the part where I say to dehumanize people is disgusting and wrong, validates some assholes? How exactly? You clearly don't have the intelligence to say anything productive, you must screech 'Muh Holocaust!', and complain about the mean goyim's nasty words. Your acting like a spoilt child, whining about your victim narrative. Seriously watch out that you don't drown in all those crocodile tears.

All this hate I’ve been getting sure has opened my eyes, I now mindlessly agree. Any being a woman finds unworthy of life is nothing but lowly scum, to be discarded at the earliest convenience, life only has value if a woman directly grants it. Women themselves are holy and unquestionable, they are so holy that they should not be held responsible for there actions. How could they have known that sex leads to pregnancy, such a connection is completely unfeasible. I thank all the angry trolls, and messengers of feigned outrage, you have opened my eyes.

you are using the dehumanization and torture and murder of my people as a comparison. real human beings, who were murdered in horrible and violent ways, because they were jewish. 6 million people died. 6 million people were starved and beaten and tortured and treated as less than fucking dirt and you think this is a good point to use in an argument. it’s not a “thought exercise”, it’s my daily fucking life.

I’m using ahistorical example of dehumanization that everyone excepts as terrible, to showthat it is wrong to dehumanize anyone. If you can calm down for just a moment,and just entertain the idea that unborn children are living beings worthprotecting. Use empathy instead of dehumanizing them like the Nazi’s did toyour people. I’m not torturing you or mistreating you I’m simply asking thatyou entertain a different perspective for a moment.

I am notsaying that Jews are literal fetus’s or that people who support pro-choice areliteral Nazi’s. I’m simply asking that people try and show some compassion foranother living being that deserves to live. I believe that killing anythingsimply because you view yourself as more significant is wrong, whether that bea Jew in Nazi Germany or an unborn child in an abortion clinic.

Gettingangry at me won’t change the past of the terrible things done to Jews, butfacing uncomfortable truths about the way our society views the unborn, couldsave countless future lives.

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

Holy shit. Holy fucking shit.

It’s bad enough when people vaguely refer to abortion as a holocaust. I mean, that’s horrible.

But when you actively compare sentient people to a fetus? A whole group of people who suffered through legitimate genocide and STILL face persecution today. People who felt and feel pain. People who are fully aware. That is even more fucking disgusting.

And then act like pregnant people abort for the same reasons that nazis want to kill anyone who isn’t straight, white, cis, and able-bodied. But, specifically, for this post, Jewish people.

A fetus is unconscious, feels nothing, understands nothing, feeds off of the person carrying it to their detriment.

This post shows you have no understanding of why people abort and not an ounce of compassion for victims of genocide and, in particular, Jewish people.

tobeyisprochoice

Ugh, pro-lifers like this are the absolute worst. Disgusting.

petefoxshend-deactivated2018062

I have only two things to say: Good. God.

how can you even make a comparison like this? how is a non-sentient fetus being aborted comparable to the suffering of millions of actual people? I’ve heard a shit ton of disingenuous arguments, op, but yours takes the fucking cake.

tobeyisprochoice

I second that sentiment.

Yep definitely no devaluing of human life going on here. If a simple thought exercise makes you immediately assume a literal comparison than really no amount of clear argument is going reach that thick skull of yours.

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

This is a horrible analogy and I hope that you would delete it.

entanglingbriars

That… isn’t even how Nazi eugenics ideology worked. Jews weren’t seen as soulless; we were seen as malicious, actively plotting the destruction of our racial betters. Within the broader context of late nineteenth/early twentieth century European nationalism and scientific racism, the belief was that each nation (defined as a group of people bound by a common language, land, and heritage) thrived best when kept free from outside genetic and ideological influences.

There was, therefore, no element of choice involved for the committed Nazi. Jews, and all other desirables, had to be purged. To keep us around was not a permissible option.

The literature of eugenicists and scientific racists is harrowing, and it does not mirror the literature of pro-choice activists. If you believe abortion is murder, you’ll have to find a different analogy.

It’s false equivalency and thinking like @deathinthebag demonstrates that people like Robert Dear use to justify shooting up a Planned Parenthood clinic.

The analogy breaks down when examined more closely. The Jew is a viable person, the fetus is not.

Let’s take this in a different direction. Replace Jew with homosexual and Ayran with christian. We can even tone down the word kill and replace it with corrective rape. Homosexuals are morally bankrupt therefore crimes against them are justified.

It’s this type of authoritarian thinking combined with stripping marginalized and hated groups of their humanity that allows people to justify hatred and hate crimes.

Religions in particular see god’s law as higher then man’s law and feel there’s an imperative to enforce it. (Why does god need man to enforce his laws? So much for judge not lest ye be judged.) They make concerted efforts like the catholic church and the jehovah’s witnesses to hide pedophilia and never report it.

I hold the right to life as man’s highest law. The comparison is meant show what kind of terrible things humans can justify when they deny any living things right to life. It is not meant as a one to one comparison.

dogsdefensesquad

Except the right to life is not above the right to bodily autonomy and we’ve seen this, time and time again.

No one has the right use another person’s body, even if it’s to save their own life.

When a parent doesn’t supply a born child with everything it needs to live they are often sentenced with murder or at least criminal negligence. Men are sued for child support to pay for children they don’t want, but should a women decided her unborn child would be an inconvenience to her life style she can kill it. A human life should be considered slightly more important than 9 months of discomfort. Realistically you could argue for a pragmatic need for abortion, but not a moral one.

dogsdefensesquad

If someone has a kid they don’t want, they can place the kid up for adoption.

Regardless, all your examples do not deal with bodily autonomy.

I personally think men shouldn’t have to pay for children they do not want, though I don’t thinj you can equate a man’s wallet to a person’s body.

And yet, morally, the courts still decided that our right to bodily autonomy is still above life-

Discomfort as small and simple as donating blood is more important then someone’s need to live.

A pregnancy is much tougher than that, and more costly.

You cannot morally justify this inconsistency, and think abortion is wrong.

This right to bodily autonomy could be used if the child was willingly violating it. They are not, they don't have the ability to choose, a women does. A living being with no choice in the matter is not violating your rights, to think so is completely ridiculous. A women does have a choice and therefore can act as a moral agent, and not killing something far more moral than killing something.

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

reproductivejusticeandliberty

Remember when we said that antis tend to be anti-Semitic? This is what we meant. -V

did you seriously just compare those who fight for the right to abortion with NAZIS???????????

Are you out of your fucking mind? if anyones morally bankrupt its you holy fuuuuuck

Yes words are certainly the most immoral things of all. It's not a literal comparison but a mental exercise to contrast two groups of people whom dehumanize others in order to guiltlessly kill them.

You can have your views on abortion, and that's fine, but you analogy about the Holocaust was terribly offensive to me, a Jewish person. Please delete that post. Thank you.

Offense can not given only taken. I never made any direct analogy to the holocaust. I only used views of racial supremacy to highlight how people of modern day pro-choice stance view unborn fetus's. Any connection to the holocaust was made in your head.

I'd also like to call on my fellow Jews, no matter how much you hate the analogy - be kind, even to those who you fervently disagree with, or even those who hate you. The Torah states that being hateful and embarrassing someone is akin to murdering their soul. As for you @deathinthebag, please don't let the hate get to you.

I'll also add that I in no way meant to disparage the Jewish people the reason I used the Nazi view on Jewish people was, simply because its well known, and perhaps for just a little bit of shock value.

just wanted to say that I understand your post was about the dangers of dehumanisation, not about comparing abortion to the horrors of the Holocaust. Personally, I feel that opposition to abortion fulfils the Jewish concept of "tikkun olam" (world repair), because as Frederica Mathewes-Green once said "no one wants an abortion as she wants a ice cream or a Porsche. She wants an abortion, as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off it's leg".

It is nice to get a reply from someone with some lucidity sothanks for that. I will say that in the regards to your analogy, that apregnancy is rarely a death sentence. Just because you become pregnant doesn’tmean killing is your only option. If you don’t want the child adoption is anoption. It might be a bit more… I’ll say painful, but I know that childwould prefer to live, after all my father was that child.

To sum myself up, I would say I believe that a human life has value in two parts. One is an inherent value in the moment. I can’t quite quantify it or completely explain it. I guess I’d say it is a metaphysical value I would attribute to all life. The second part is the value of life’s potential, the future of a life. That life’s ability to go through existence and experience, well, life. It’s ups, its down, happy moments, sad moments, and all the things in between. All politics aside I have to say I am against abortion because it kills this potential, stops it before it’s even given a real chance to start. For someone who is pro-choice I have to ask;

Do you think a women’s right to choose is more valuable than this potential?

If your answer is yes, then honestly there is no point in arguing with me. I’m not going to change my mind and you aren’t going to change yours. If you aren’t sure, then perhaps instead of arguing with me you should think on it yourself.

#abortion #pro-choice #life

hey i'd just like to say, as a jewish person - shut the fuck up, you disgusting piece of shit. how dare you.

Feel free to replace the example with black and white, if that makes you more comfortable. The point was not the ethnicity of the people, but to show the kinds of atrocities people can justify when they remove the humanity from other human beings.

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

This is a horrible analogy and I hope that you would delete it.

entanglingbriars

That… isn’t even how Nazi eugenics ideology worked. Jews weren’t seen as soulless; we were seen as malicious, actively plotting the destruction of our racial betters. Within the broader context of late nineteenth/early twentieth century European nationalism and scientific racism, the belief was that each nation (defined as a group of people bound by a common language, land, and heritage) thrived best when kept free from outside genetic and ideological influences.

There was, therefore, no element of choice involved for the committed Nazi. Jews, and all other desirables, had to be purged. To keep us around was not a permissible option.

The literature of eugenicists and scientific racists is harrowing, and it does not mirror the literature of pro-choice activists. If you believe abortion is murder, you’ll have to find a different analogy.

It’s false equivalency and thinking like @deathinthebag demonstrates that people like Robert Dear use to justify shooting up a Planned Parenthood clinic.

The analogy breaks down when examined more closely. The Jew is a viable person, the fetus is not.

Let’s take this in a different direction. Replace Jew with homosexual and Ayran with christian. We can even tone down the word kill and replace it with corrective rape. Homosexuals are morally bankrupt therefore crimes against them are justified.

It’s this type of authoritarian thinking combined with stripping marginalized and hated groups of their humanity that allows people to justify hatred and hate crimes.

Religions in particular see god’s law as higher then man’s law and feel there’s an imperative to enforce it. (Why does god need man to enforce his laws? So much for judge not lest ye be judged.) They make concerted efforts like the catholic church and the jehovah’s witnesses to hide pedophilia and never report it.

I hold the right to life as man’s highest law. The comparison is meant show what kind of terrible things humans can justify when they deny any living things right to life. It is not meant as a one to one comparison.

dogsdefensesquad

Except the right to life is not above the right to bodily autonomy and we’ve seen this, time and time again.

No one has the right use another person’s body, even if it’s to save their own life.

When a parent doesn’t supply a born child with everything it needs to live they are often sentenced with murder or at least criminal negligence. Men are sued for child support to pay for children they don’t want, but should a women decided her unborn child would be an inconvenience to her life style she can kill it. A human life should be considered slightly more important than 9 months of discomfort. Realistically you could argue for a pragmatic need for abortion, but not a moral one.

It’s not about the right to life or morality. It’s about control. Your ideology over the autonomy of women. The law protects the fetus at the beginning of the third trimester, the point when it begins to reach viability, but that just ain’t good enough. Every sperm is sacred. And it’s not just nine months of “discomfort.” You are completely and totally incapable of fully understanding what it is like to carry a child. You diminish everything about child bearing with ignorance like that.

The problem with people who hate abortion because they “value” life is that “value” ends at birth. It becomes “That kid is someone else’s responsibility,” “They shouldn’t have had it,” and “That whore needs to keep her legs shut.” Pure and utter ignorance. The majority of abortions are performed by women who are incapable of raising the child. And the majority of people adopting want perfect babies, not babies that might come from “crack whores.” And even using contraceptives isn’t a guarantee against pregnancy. Certain medications can interfere with the pill. What then? “Your dentist forgot to ask if you were on the pill before he treated you. Sucks to be you. But it’s only nine months of ‘discomfort’.”

The issue is not as simplistic as you make it. You don’t have to like abortion. You just have to respect other people’s choices over their own body and their own life. Understand that you aren’t arguing from morality, your using morality to enforce your views upon others. Women have been treated like shit for thousands of years, it’s time to let them have the equality we claim they have and give them control over their own lives.

Yes, life is pretty amazing. The problem is humanity hasn’t fully learned how to value it.

Control? I find that laughable, as if I gain any control. The fact of the matter is, no where is it written that anyone has the right to consequence free sex. When you participate in vaginal sex you risk pregnancy. You don’t have to like reality, but you have to respect other beings right to life, or face the consequences for violating it.

If a man gets a woman pregnant he has no ‘control’ over whether or not the child is kept, and if he doesn’t want it, he is still forced to pay child support for that child. He has no ‘control’ the moment he consents to have sex. I simply believe that women should be held to the same standard. If you conceive a child you should be expected to carry it to term. To believe otherwise would be to concede that women are less responsible than men. The most important rule for a moral principle is universality, ie; if I don’t think my life should only be given value by whether or not my mother wants me, then I shouldn’t hold the opposite over someone else, born or unborn.

I have no respect for a body that feels completely justified in killing another living being completely unprovoked. When you argue for pro-choice, what you are arguing is that women are irresponsible children who should be protected from the consequences of there actions. It’s funny how often, equality is used by childish people usually fighting for special privileges.

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

This is a horrible analogy and I hope that you would delete it.

entanglingbriars

That… isn’t even how Nazi eugenics ideology worked. Jews weren’t seen as soulless; we were seen as malicious, actively plotting the destruction of our racial betters. Within the broader context of late nineteenth/early twentieth century European nationalism and scientific racism, the belief was that each nation (defined as a group of people bound by a common language, land, and heritage) thrived best when kept free from outside genetic and ideological influences.

There was, therefore, no element of choice involved for the committed Nazi. Jews, and all other desirables, had to be purged. To keep us around was not a permissible option.

The literature of eugenicists and scientific racists is harrowing, and it does not mirror the literature of pro-choice activists. If you believe abortion is murder, you’ll have to find a different analogy.

It’s false equivalency and thinking like @deathinthebag demonstrates that people like Robert Dear use to justify shooting up a Planned Parenthood clinic.

The analogy breaks down when examined more closely. The Jew is a viable person, the fetus is not.

Let’s take this in a different direction. Replace Jew with homosexual and Ayran with christian. We can even tone down the word kill and replace it with corrective rape. Homosexuals are morally bankrupt therefore crimes against them are justified.

It’s this type of authoritarian thinking combined with stripping marginalized and hated groups of their humanity that allows people to justify hatred and hate crimes.

Religions in particular see god’s law as higher then man’s law and feel there’s an imperative to enforce it. (Why does god need man to enforce his laws? So much for judge not lest ye be judged.) They make concerted efforts like the catholic church and the jehovah’s witnesses to hide pedophilia and never report it.

I hold the right to life as man’s highest law. The comparison is meant show what kind of terrible things humans can justify when they deny any living things right to life. It is not meant as a one to one comparison.

dogsdefensesquad

Except the right to life is not above the right to bodily autonomy and we’ve seen this, time and time again.

No one has the right use another person’s body, even if it’s to save their own life.

When a parent doesn't supply a born child with everything it needs to live they are often sentenced with murder or at least criminal negligence. Men are sued for child support to pay for children they don't want, but should a women decided her unborn child would be an inconvenience to her life style she can kill it. A human life should be considered slightly more important than 9 months of discomfort. Realistically you could argue for a pragmatic need for abortion, but not a moral one.

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

This is a horrible analogy and I hope that you would delete it.

entanglingbriars

That… isn’t even how Nazi eugenics ideology worked. Jews weren’t seen as soulless; we were seen as malicious, actively plotting the destruction of our racial betters. Within the broader context of late nineteenth/early twentieth century European nationalism and scientific racism, the belief was that each nation (defined as a group of people bound by a common language, land, and heritage) thrived best when kept free from outside genetic and ideological influences.

There was, therefore, no element of choice involved for the committed Nazi. Jews, and all other desirables, had to be purged. To keep us around was not a permissible option.

The literature of eugenicists and scientific racists is harrowing, and it does not mirror the literature of pro-choice activists. If you believe abortion is murder, you’ll have to find a different analogy.

It’s false equivalency and thinking like @deathinthebag demonstrates that people like Robert Dear use to justify shooting up a Planned Parenthood clinic.

The analogy breaks down when examined more closely. The Jew is a viable person, the fetus is not.

Let’s take this in a different direction. Replace Jew with homosexual and Ayran with christian. We can even tone down the word kill and replace it with corrective rape. Homosexuals are morally bankrupt therefore crimes against them are justified.

It’s this type of authoritarian thinking combined with stripping marginalized and hated groups of their humanity that allows people to justify hatred and hate crimes.

Religions in particular see god’s law as higher then man’s law and feel there’s an imperative to enforce it. (Why does god need man to enforce his laws? So much for judge not lest ye be judged.) They make concerted efforts like the catholic church and the jehovah’s witnesses to hide pedophilia and never report it.

I hold the right to life as man's highest law. The comparison is meant show what kind of terrible things humans can justify when they deny any living things right to life. It is not meant as a one to one comparison.

i literally do not fucking care what you think about abortion, stop using the murder of my family as a fucking comparison. i would normally try to be nice but i'm so tired of goyim bullshit. regardless of what you think of abortion, it is nowhere near the horror of the holocaust. fetuses are not separated from their families, forced to work until they get sick, then forced to work until they're physically incapable, then sent to a fucking gas chamber like an animal. shut the fuck up.

Apparently you do care as you messaged me. Maybe you should try asking yourself why you find the mass killing of one form of life perfectly acceptable, while the other completely terrible. I used Nazi ideology and the dehumanization of a group of people to showcase the doublethink used by people with pro-choice beliefs. I never said anything about the holocaust.

As a thought experiment lets pretend I’m a racial supremacist. Perhaps a Nazi, I don’t value Jewish life. In fact, if you ask me they have no soul, they’re just a big group of cells that look human. I think that although a Jew can be useful, should I not want that Jew around I should be allowed to kill that Jew without consequence. In fact, the mass slaughter of Jews should be allowed. They are nothing but parasites of Aryans.

Personally, I find this view to be disgusting and morally bankrupt. If this were to be allowed in society I would denounce it, and do everything in my power to stop it. Now replace the word Jew with fetus, and Nazi/Aryan with mother/women. That is why I’m anti- abortion, and find people with a “pro-choice” stance to be disgusting and morally bankrupt.

1) Nobody is allowed to use someone else’s body, organs and tissues without said someone else’s consent. No, not even if their lives depends on it. Fetuses aren’t any different. Which is why pregnant people (whose body is used by the fetus) has the right to decide whether their own body can or cannot be used by the fetus - and in the latter case, enforce that decision (by forcibly detaching the fetus, if necessary).

2) Already-born Jews, just like pretty much all already-born people, have bodily autonomy. This means that they aren’t usng someone else’s body for survival. This means that there’ no need to forcibly detach them from someone else’s body.

3) Fuck you for using the Holocaust as a cheap talking point to promote taking away from pregnant people their right to bodily autonomy. 4) Fuck you for comparing pro-choicers, doctors and pregnant people to Nazis.

5) By the way: pro-choicers want fetuses to be aborted ONLY when the person who’s pregnant with them wants to abort them. If pro-choicers really were like Nazis against fetuses, they would try to kill fetuses no matter the circumstances. 6) Meanwhile, many pro-lifers hurt, assaulted and sometimes killed pro-choicers.

In short: shut the fuck up.

I personally think an unborn child's right to life is more important than a mothers right to kill a child (aka bodily autonomy). A child, not taken care of, will die, and it is a crime for a parent to let a born child die from negligence. Why should an unborn child be denied humanity? It seems to me, in both cases ideologically corrupt people justified the mass killing of innocent human beings.

I don't think a human life should be given value based on whether or not another human being wants them or not.

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