Dad's Had Enough

Killian/Bunny | 32 | Bun/Him Pronouns | Queer transmasc | dysphoric | anti-truscum/transmed | anti-map | anti-TERF | antifa | inclusionist | pro-MOGAI

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[official-cisphobe]

My diagnosis says "transgenderism" and I got it pretty easily, too.

The criteria in my country for the trans diagnosis are:

You want to live and be accepted as a gender other than the one you were assigned at birth

You've felt this way for 2 years

It's not caused by a mental illness or other condition

Yet transmeds will shit and piss themselves from coping so hard because the medical field disagrees with their outdated worldview lol

[enbundad-discourse]

Thiss.

The transmeds who reblog this arguing just prove my final part of the post.

you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put people down who experience gender differently than you.

And the kicker is I've been told that I'm faking being trans because I use xenogender labels and use neopronouns. Yet I was diagnosed with gender dysphoria and have been on HRT for over 2 years and I just got top surgery. Which means according to their own argument I'm a valid trans person. Yet because I recognize the wide range of human experiences and experience my gender differently obviously I'm faking.

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ashley-is-missing]

the fuck is that even supposed to mean? you dont get the argument, do you?

if just being 🥺🥺uncomfy🥺🥺 with your gender is what transsexualism is seen as, insurance companies will see no incentive to cover those surgeries, as, well, by this logic they would be kind of cosmetic instead of actual treatment for a medical condition. furthermore, the waiting lists will get that much longer, clogging them up and preventing actually trans(sexual) people from getting the treatment they NEED

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO you really typed all of that out without actually reading my post or the proof attached, huh?

The second image of a textbook? That's the ICD-10-CM, which is the coding manual for the medical field.

The diagnosis of "transexual" includes the following diagnoses:

Gender dysphoria

Gender identity disorder

And, here's the big one that you seem to have missed

Gender incongruence

Ya know, where your gender identity does not align with the one you were assigned at birth but it does not cause you distress.

And also

Transgender

Meaning if you identify as transgender at all, even without being diagnosed with any of the others.

ALL of those are coded the EXACT SAME.

Meaning what?

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE CODED AS TRANSEXUAL!

[hans-worldviews]

odd how you completely dodged the point about insurance companies not covering the costs for HRT and trans surgery if its not medical and no different from cosmetic surgery

tucutes are fucking evil they'd rather make actual trans people go bankrupt to transition and wait years to get an appointment rather than just admitting that theyre just cis people with boring lives

[enbundad-discourse]

Did you miss the entire breakdown in my post that says that you can be coded and covered by insurance as transexual if you experience just gender incongruence or identity as transgender? They won't stop covering our care because people you feel aren't trans in the "right way" are getting care.

I experience gender dysphoria. That's the diagnosis I had that covered my medical and surgical transition. But the code for that diagnosis is "transexual" and any of the diagnoses under that one are coded that way.

[insanescarabmoon]

[enbundad-discourse]

Apologies because I'm high on pain meds from my top surgery yesterday. What is this supposed to mean?

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[neurologicallyfaultytransmed]

hello I am evil transmed. Please proceed to be afraid.

[enbundad-discourse]

Me: here is proof showing that this belief is not rooted in actual science and care for your fellow trans people

You: wow this guy must be afraid of transmeds heehee

[neurologicallyfaultytransmedtry2]

Hi im back

[enbundad-discourse]

Ew

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ashley-is-missing]

the fuck is that even supposed to mean? you dont get the argument, do you?

if just being 🥺🥺uncomfy🥺🥺 with your gender is what transsexualism is seen as, insurance companies will see no incentive to cover those surgeries, as, well, by this logic they would be kind of cosmetic instead of actual treatment for a medical condition. furthermore, the waiting lists will get that much longer, clogging them up and preventing actually trans(sexual) people from getting the treatment they NEED

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO you really typed all of that out without actually reading my post or the proof attached, huh?

The second image of a textbook? That's the ICD-10-CM, which is the coding manual for the medical field.

The diagnosis of "transexual" includes the following diagnoses:

Gender dysphoria

Gender identity disorder

And, here's the big one that you seem to have missed

Gender incongruence

Ya know, where your gender identity does not align with the one you were assigned at birth but it does not cause you distress.

And also

Transgender

Meaning if you identify as transgender at all, even without being diagnosed with any of the others.

ALL of those are coded the EXACT SAME.

Meaning what?

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE CODED AS TRANSEXUAL!

[hans-worldviews]

odd how you completely dodged the point about insurance companies not covering the costs for HRT and trans surgery if its not medical and no different from cosmetic surgery

tucutes are fucking evil they'd rather make actual trans people go bankrupt to transition and wait years to get an appointment rather than just admitting that theyre just cis people with boring lives

[enbundad-discourse]

Did you miss the entire breakdown in my post that says that you can be coded and covered by insurance as transexual if you experience just gender incongruence or identity as transgender? They won't stop covering our care because people you feel aren't trans in the "right way" are getting care.

I experience gender dysphoria. That's the diagnosis I had that covered my medical and surgical transition. But the code for that diagnosis is "transexual" and any of the diagnoses under that one are coded that way.

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ashley-is-missing]

the fuck is that even supposed to mean? you dont get the argument, do you?

if just being 🥺🥺uncomfy🥺🥺 with your gender is what transsexualism is seen as, insurance companies will see no incentive to cover those surgeries, as, well, by this logic they would be kind of cosmetic instead of actual treatment for a medical condition. furthermore, the waiting lists will get that much longer, clogging them up and preventing actually trans(sexual) people from getting the treatment they NEED

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO you really typed all of that out without actually reading my post or the proof attached, huh?

The second image of a textbook? That's the ICD-10-CM, which is the coding manual for the medical field.

The diagnosis of "transexual" includes the following diagnoses:

Gender dysphoria

Gender identity disorder

And, here's the big one that you seem to have missed

Gender incongruence

Ya know, where your gender identity does not align with the one you were assigned at birth but it does not cause you distress.

And also

Transgender

Meaning if you identify as transgender at all, even without being diagnosed with any of the others.

ALL of those are coded the EXACT SAME.

Meaning what?

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE CODED AS TRANSEXUAL!

[ashley-is-missing]

yes, currently the medical system is as such. that is kind of the problem. did you read my reply at all?

[enbundad-discourse]

Yeah, it's been that way for a while. The coding manual is only updated every 10 years. Did you read my post at all? Or

[ashley-is-missing]

fucking sooo? how does that change anything? do i have to repeat myself? CURRENTLY THE MEDICAL SYSTEM IS AS SUCH THAT IS KIND OF THE PROBLEM

[enbundad-discourse]

I literally had top surgery today. Stop running into the point and screaming that it's wrong because you don't like it you immature fuckwadd. There is no reason to have issues with those as qualifying diagnoses are the issue that will strip transgender people from our rights. The wait lists are long not because people without dysphoria are getting gender affirming care, they're long because THAT'S HOW ALL SPECIALISTS WORK! some are more booked out than others because they're highly desired for their results and care so more people go to them. I didn't have a long waitlist for my surgery. I may have wanted it for 10 years but I wasn't on a waitlist until the last couple of years. And the only reason it was as long as it was is because I had unrelated issues with my health insurance and it resolved. My consultation was in October and my surgery was in May. And most of that was time I was uninsured temporarily. People who qualify for this code are valid and their care will be paid for with insurance as long as that plan covers gender affirming care at all.

Anywho I'm not going to damper my good mood and euphoria arguing with people who refuse to listen to facts. Have the night you deserve

[ashley-is-missing]

kek. so, just because you lucked out and FOR NOW nothing is too fucked yet, you think its ok for literally anyone, including fetishists, to be diagnosed with a serious condition? wooow, very thoughtful. lmao

[enbundad-discourse]

I didn't luck out at all. I got my care because I was diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Being transgender is not a "serious condition" it is a state of being. You do not need to suffer to be transgender. Your gender just needs to not align with the one you were assigned at birth. I am not trans because of my dysphoria that made me want to rip my chest off myself. I am trans because being perceived as male fills me with euphoria.

And nobody except for you brought up people with fetishes being diagnosed as "transexual" or getting gender affirming care. It's a very weird thing to admit.

[ashley-is-missing]

if you(not referring to you, im saying hypothetically) do not have dysphoria and only get "gender euphoria" you are not transsexual, you just have a crossdressing fetish. those people should not be approved for treatment of a serious mental condition. and it is a serious condition, for the mind to be so misaligned with the present physical body

[enbundad-discourse]

You don't understand what gender euphoria is, do you? Or fetishes, apparently. You can experience gender euphoria and feel apathetic towards your assigned gender. It's entirely possible to not feel anything towards your assigned gender but being perceived as a different gender fills you with joy and glee. And that can make someone trans.

And no, it's not a fetish; You can feel gender euphoria without dysphoria and it has nothing to do with sexual pleasure.

[ashley-is-missing]

well, fetishes arent inherently sexual either. you have to have gender dysphoria to be transsexual, this is kind of the whole shtick. once again, as many of us have said, if just being filled with joy and glee is all that makes you trans, insurance companies will see no incentive covering those life saving(for actually trans people, lol) surgeries, because it would essentially be cosmetic instead of treatment for a condition that it is

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO I literally proved that insurance companies will code someone as transexual even without gender dysphoria. As I said in my original post you don't actually care about science or facts. You just like feeling like you're better than people who experience gender differently than you do.

Hell, I experience pretty severe gender dysphoria and that's the diagnosis I got that had insurance code me as transexual. But I've been called fake and a transphobe because I support people who don't experience gender dysphoria but are trans because they experience gender euphoria.

I am not trans because I suffer from gender dysphoria. Being trans is not suffering. It is a state of being. And the medicalization of being transgender leads to actual bigots pointing to dysphoric trans people as mentally unstable and a reason we should be locked up and put through conversion therapy. All the transmed community does is add fuel to the fire by backing them up when it suits them.

Anywho I'm trying to have a nice time recovering from my surgery and I don't need you to dampen my good vibes. We're done here.

Reply again and you're getting blocked. Have the bad day that you deserve.

[enbundad-discourse]

And breaking boundaries is how you earn a block. Don't run into the point and play like you don't know what it is.

Giving treatment to non-dysphoric trans people is not going to strip dysphoric trans people of our access to care. The waits are long because that's how long most specialists have for any sort of appointment. The wait is long because you're trying to get care from a popular provider. The more people who get treatment from a specific provider the higher the wait times will be.

I didn't have a long wait for a consultation because I changed from waiting over a year for a consultation with my primary care provider's office because of how booked out they are to my health insurance's provider. The only reason I had to wait so long was because I was removed from my spouse's health insurance for lack of paperwork and then had to wait for them to get me back on. And then when it was my surgeon was taking a trip. And then it was about a month after they came back when I had my surgery.

Again: I am diagnosed with gender dysphoria. I was coded as being transsexual. Adolescents and adults who do not experience gender dysphoria but do experience gender incongruence or just identify as transgender are also coded as transsexual. Stop blaming your fellow trans people for the shortage of healthcare providers who do our healthcare. Blame the medical system for being a joke and not encouraging more people to do the fields we benefit from. It is not the fault of people who experience gender differently.

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ashley-is-missing]

the fuck is that even supposed to mean? you dont get the argument, do you?

if just being 🥺🥺uncomfy🥺🥺 with your gender is what transsexualism is seen as, insurance companies will see no incentive to cover those surgeries, as, well, by this logic they would be kind of cosmetic instead of actual treatment for a medical condition. furthermore, the waiting lists will get that much longer, clogging them up and preventing actually trans(sexual) people from getting the treatment they NEED

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO you really typed all of that out without actually reading my post or the proof attached, huh?

The second image of a textbook? That's the ICD-10-CM, which is the coding manual for the medical field.

The diagnosis of "transexual" includes the following diagnoses:

Gender dysphoria

Gender identity disorder

And, here's the big one that you seem to have missed

Gender incongruence

Ya know, where your gender identity does not align with the one you were assigned at birth but it does not cause you distress.

And also

Transgender

Meaning if you identify as transgender at all, even without being diagnosed with any of the others.

ALL of those are coded the EXACT SAME.

Meaning what?

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE CODED AS TRANSEXUAL!

[ashley-is-missing]

yes, currently the medical system is as such. that is kind of the problem. did you read my reply at all?

[enbundad-discourse]

Yeah, it's been that way for a while. The coding manual is only updated every 10 years. Did you read my post at all? Or

[ashley-is-missing]

fucking sooo? how does that change anything? do i have to repeat myself? CURRENTLY THE MEDICAL SYSTEM IS AS SUCH THAT IS KIND OF THE PROBLEM

[enbundad-discourse]

I literally had top surgery today. Stop running into the point and screaming that it's wrong because you don't like it you immature fuckwadd. There is no reason to have issues with those as qualifying diagnoses are the issue that will strip transgender people from our rights. The wait lists are long not because people without dysphoria are getting gender affirming care, they're long because THAT'S HOW ALL SPECIALISTS WORK! some are more booked out than others because they're highly desired for their results and care so more people go to them. I didn't have a long waitlist for my surgery. I may have wanted it for 10 years but I wasn't on a waitlist until the last couple of years. And the only reason it was as long as it was is because I had unrelated issues with my health insurance and it resolved. My consultation was in October and my surgery was in May. And most of that was time I was uninsured temporarily. People who qualify for this code are valid and their care will be paid for with insurance as long as that plan covers gender affirming care at all.

Anywho I'm not going to damper my good mood and euphoria arguing with people who refuse to listen to facts. Have the night you deserve

[ashley-is-missing]

kek. so, just because you lucked out and FOR NOW nothing is too fucked yet, you think its ok for literally anyone, including fetishists, to be diagnosed with a serious condition? wooow, very thoughtful. lmao

[enbundad-discourse]

I didn't luck out at all. I got my care because I was diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Being transgender is not a "serious condition" it is a state of being. You do not need to suffer to be transgender. Your gender just needs to not align with the one you were assigned at birth. I am not trans because of my dysphoria that made me want to rip my chest off myself. I am trans because being perceived as male fills me with euphoria.

And nobody except for you brought up people with fetishes being diagnosed as "transexual" or getting gender affirming care. It's a very weird thing to admit.

[ashley-is-missing]

if you(not referring to you, im saying hypothetically) do not have dysphoria and only get "gender euphoria" you are not transsexual, you just have a crossdressing fetish. those people should not be approved for treatment of a serious mental condition. and it is a serious condition, for the mind to be so misaligned with the present physical body

[enbundad-discourse]

You don't understand what gender euphoria is, do you? Or fetishes, apparently. You can experience gender euphoria and feel apathetic towards your assigned gender. It's entirely possible to not feel anything towards your assigned gender but being perceived as a different gender fills you with joy and glee. And that can make someone trans.

And no, it's not a fetish; You can feel gender euphoria without dysphoria and it has nothing to do with sexual pleasure.

[ashley-is-missing]

well, fetishes arent inherently sexual either. you have to have gender dysphoria to be transsexual, this is kind of the whole shtick. once again, as many of us have said, if just being filled with joy and glee is all that makes you trans, insurance companies will see no incentive covering those life saving(for actually trans people, lol) surgeries, because it would essentially be cosmetic instead of treatment for a condition that it is

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO I literally proved that insurance companies will code someone as transexual even without gender dysphoria. As I said in my original post you don't actually care about science or facts. You just like feeling like you're better than people who experience gender differently than you do.

Hell, I experience pretty severe gender dysphoria and that's the diagnosis I got that had insurance code me as transexual. But I've been called fake and a transphobe because I support people who don't experience gender dysphoria but are trans because they experience gender euphoria.

I am not trans because I suffer from gender dysphoria. Being trans is not suffering. It is a state of being. And the medicalization of being transgender leads to actual bigots pointing to dysphoric trans people as mentally unstable and a reason we should be locked up and put through conversion therapy. All the transmed community does is add fuel to the fire by backing them up when it suits them.

Anywho I'm trying to have a nice time recovering from my surgery and I don't need you to dampen my good vibes. We're done here.

Reply again and you're getting blocked. Have the bad day that you deserve.

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ashley-is-missing]

the fuck is that even supposed to mean? you dont get the argument, do you?

if just being 🥺🥺uncomfy🥺🥺 with your gender is what transsexualism is seen as, insurance companies will see no incentive to cover those surgeries, as, well, by this logic they would be kind of cosmetic instead of actual treatment for a medical condition. furthermore, the waiting lists will get that much longer, clogging them up and preventing actually trans(sexual) people from getting the treatment they NEED

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO you really typed all of that out without actually reading my post or the proof attached, huh?

The second image of a textbook? That's the ICD-10-CM, which is the coding manual for the medical field.

The diagnosis of "transexual" includes the following diagnoses:

Gender dysphoria

Gender identity disorder

And, here's the big one that you seem to have missed

Gender incongruence

Ya know, where your gender identity does not align with the one you were assigned at birth but it does not cause you distress.

And also

Transgender

Meaning if you identify as transgender at all, even without being diagnosed with any of the others.

ALL of those are coded the EXACT SAME.

Meaning what?

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE CODED AS TRANSEXUAL!

[ashley-is-missing]

yes, currently the medical system is as such. that is kind of the problem. did you read my reply at all?

[enbundad-discourse]

Yeah, it's been that way for a while. The coding manual is only updated every 10 years. Did you read my post at all? Or

[ashley-is-missing]

fucking sooo? how does that change anything? do i have to repeat myself? CURRENTLY THE MEDICAL SYSTEM IS AS SUCH THAT IS KIND OF THE PROBLEM

[enbundad-discourse]

I literally had top surgery today. Stop running into the point and screaming that it's wrong because you don't like it you immature fuckwadd. There is no reason to have issues with those as qualifying diagnoses are the issue that will strip transgender people from our rights. The wait lists are long not because people without dysphoria are getting gender affirming care, they're long because THAT'S HOW ALL SPECIALISTS WORK! some are more booked out than others because they're highly desired for their results and care so more people go to them. I didn't have a long waitlist for my surgery. I may have wanted it for 10 years but I wasn't on a waitlist until the last couple of years. And the only reason it was as long as it was is because I had unrelated issues with my health insurance and it resolved. My consultation was in October and my surgery was in May. And most of that was time I was uninsured temporarily. People who qualify for this code are valid and their care will be paid for with insurance as long as that plan covers gender affirming care at all.

Anywho I'm not going to damper my good mood and euphoria arguing with people who refuse to listen to facts. Have the night you deserve

[ashley-is-missing]

kek. so, just because you lucked out and FOR NOW nothing is too fucked yet, you think its ok for literally anyone, including fetishists, to be diagnosed with a serious condition? wooow, very thoughtful. lmao

[enbundad-discourse]

I didn't luck out at all. I got my care because I was diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Being transgender is not a "serious condition" it is a state of being. You do not need to suffer to be transgender. Your gender just needs to not align with the one you were assigned at birth. I am not trans because of my dysphoria that made me want to rip my chest off myself. I am trans because being perceived as male fills me with euphoria.

And nobody except for you brought up people with fetishes being diagnosed as "transexual" or getting gender affirming care. It's a very weird thing to admit.

[ashley-is-missing]

if you(not referring to you, im saying hypothetically) do not have dysphoria and only get "gender euphoria" you are not transsexual, you just have a crossdressing fetish. those people should not be approved for treatment of a serious mental condition. and it is a serious condition, for the mind to be so misaligned with the present physical body

[enbundad-discourse]

You don't understand what gender euphoria is, do you? Or fetishes, apparently. You can experience gender euphoria and feel apathetic towards your assigned gender. It's entirely possible to not feel anything towards your assigned gender but being perceived as a different gender fills you with joy and glee. And that can make someone trans.

And no, it's not a fetish; You can feel gender euphoria without dysphoria and it has nothing to do with sexual pleasure.

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ashley-is-missing]

the fuck is that even supposed to mean? you dont get the argument, do you?

if just being 🥺🥺uncomfy🥺🥺 with your gender is what transsexualism is seen as, insurance companies will see no incentive to cover those surgeries, as, well, by this logic they would be kind of cosmetic instead of actual treatment for a medical condition. furthermore, the waiting lists will get that much longer, clogging them up and preventing actually trans(sexual) people from getting the treatment they NEED

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO you really typed all of that out without actually reading my post or the proof attached, huh?

The second image of a textbook? That's the ICD-10-CM, which is the coding manual for the medical field.

The diagnosis of "transexual" includes the following diagnoses:

Gender dysphoria

Gender identity disorder

And, here's the big one that you seem to have missed

Gender incongruence

Ya know, where your gender identity does not align with the one you were assigned at birth but it does not cause you distress.

And also

Transgender

Meaning if you identify as transgender at all, even without being diagnosed with any of the others.

ALL of those are coded the EXACT SAME.

Meaning what?

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE CODED AS TRANSEXUAL!

[ashley-is-missing]

yes, currently the medical system is as such. that is kind of the problem. did you read my reply at all?

[enbundad-discourse]

Yeah, it's been that way for a while. The coding manual is only updated every 10 years. Did you read my post at all? Or

[ashley-is-missing]

fucking sooo? how does that change anything? do i have to repeat myself? CURRENTLY THE MEDICAL SYSTEM IS AS SUCH THAT IS KIND OF THE PROBLEM

[enbundad-discourse]

I literally had top surgery today. Stop running into the point and screaming that it's wrong because you don't like it you immature fuckwadd. There is no reason to have issues with those as qualifying diagnoses are the issue that will strip transgender people from our rights. The wait lists are long not because people without dysphoria are getting gender affirming care, they're long because THAT'S HOW ALL SPECIALISTS WORK! some are more booked out than others because they're highly desired for their results and care so more people go to them. I didn't have a long waitlist for my surgery. I may have wanted it for 10 years but I wasn't on a waitlist until the last couple of years. And the only reason it was as long as it was is because I had unrelated issues with my health insurance and it resolved. My consultation was in October and my surgery was in May. And most of that was time I was uninsured temporarily. People who qualify for this code are valid and their care will be paid for with insurance as long as that plan covers gender affirming care at all.

Anywho I'm not going to damper my good mood and euphoria arguing with people who refuse to listen to facts. Have the night you deserve

[ashley-is-missing]

kek. so, just because you lucked out and FOR NOW nothing is too fucked yet, you think its ok for literally anyone, including fetishists, to be diagnosed with a serious condition? wooow, very thoughtful. lmao

[enbundad-discourse]

I didn't luck out at all. I got my care because I was diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Being transgender is not a "serious condition" it is a state of being. You do not need to suffer to be transgender. Your gender just needs to not align with the one you were assigned at birth. I am not trans because of my dysphoria that made me want to rip my chest off myself. I am trans because being perceived as male fills me with euphoria.

And nobody except for you brought up people with fetishes being diagnosed as "transexual" or getting gender affirming care. It's a very weird thing to admit.

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ashley-is-missing]

the fuck is that even supposed to mean? you dont get the argument, do you?

if just being 🥺🥺uncomfy🥺🥺 with your gender is what transsexualism is seen as, insurance companies will see no incentive to cover those surgeries, as, well, by this logic they would be kind of cosmetic instead of actual treatment for a medical condition. furthermore, the waiting lists will get that much longer, clogging them up and preventing actually trans(sexual) people from getting the treatment they NEED

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO you really typed all of that out without actually reading my post or the proof attached, huh?

The second image of a textbook? That's the ICD-10-CM, which is the coding manual for the medical field.

The diagnosis of "transexual" includes the following diagnoses:

Gender dysphoria

Gender identity disorder

And, here's the big one that you seem to have missed

Gender incongruence

Ya know, where your gender identity does not align with the one you were assigned at birth but it does not cause you distress.

And also

Transgender

Meaning if you identify as transgender at all, even without being diagnosed with any of the others.

ALL of those are coded the EXACT SAME.

Meaning what?

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE CODED AS TRANSEXUAL!

[ashley-is-missing]

yes, currently the medical system is as such. that is kind of the problem. did you read my reply at all?

[enbundad-discourse]

Yeah, it's been that way for a while. The coding manual is only updated every 10 years. Did you read my post at all? Or

[ashley-is-missing]

fucking sooo? how does that change anything? do i have to repeat myself? CURRENTLY THE MEDICAL SYSTEM IS AS SUCH THAT IS KIND OF THE PROBLEM

[enbundad-discourse]

I literally had top surgery today. Stop running into the point and screaming that it's wrong because you don't like it you immature fuckwadd. There is no reason to have issues with those as qualifying diagnoses are the issue that will strip transgender people from our rights. The wait lists are long not because people without dysphoria are getting gender affirming care, they're long because THAT'S HOW ALL SPECIALISTS WORK! some are more booked out than others because they're highly desired for their results and care so more people go to them. I didn't have a long waitlist for my surgery. I may have wanted it for 10 years but I wasn't on a waitlist until the last couple of years. And the only reason it was as long as it was is because I had unrelated issues with my health insurance and it resolved. My consultation was in October and my surgery was in May. And most of that was time I was uninsured temporarily. People who qualify for this code are valid and their care will be paid for with insurance as long as that plan covers gender affirming care at all.

Anywho I'm not going to damper my good mood and euphoria arguing with people who refuse to listen to facts. Have the night you deserve

[enbundad-discourse]

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[enbundad-discourse]

I apologize if you've answered this before, but what is "pro-MOGA?" I've never seen that before

It's been a while since I had put that in my bio and I just didn't feel I should take it out cause when I remembered it I was for it.

So MOGAI is an acronym that stands for Marginalized Orientations, Gender Alignments, and Intersex. It was proposed like a decade or so ago as an alternative to LGBTQ+ because including every orientation and gender identity in the acronym is very difficult with how vast the experience of humans is. And using the + can be seen as just going "and then those other ones" which can feel dismissive. So the term MOGAI was proposed and I added that into my bio to show that I support the use of that term. It unfortunately never took off but I still support it.

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ashley-is-missing]

the fuck is that even supposed to mean? you dont get the argument, do you?

if just being 🥺🥺uncomfy🥺🥺 with your gender is what transsexualism is seen as, insurance companies will see no incentive to cover those surgeries, as, well, by this logic they would be kind of cosmetic instead of actual treatment for a medical condition. furthermore, the waiting lists will get that much longer, clogging them up and preventing actually trans(sexual) people from getting the treatment they NEED

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO you really typed all of that out without actually reading my post or the proof attached, huh?

The second image of a textbook? That's the ICD-10-CM, which is the coding manual for the medical field.

The diagnosis of "transexual" includes the following diagnoses:

Gender dysphoria

Gender identity disorder

And, here's the big one that you seem to have missed

Gender incongruence

Ya know, where your gender identity does not align with the one you were assigned at birth but it does not cause you distress.

And also

Transgender

Meaning if you identify as transgender at all, even without being diagnosed with any of the others.

ALL of those are coded the EXACT SAME.

Meaning what?

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE CODED AS TRANSEXUAL!

[ashley-is-missing]

yes, currently the medical system is as such. that is kind of the problem. did you read my reply at all?

[enbundad-discourse]

Yeah, it's been that way for a while. The coding manual is only updated every 10 years. Did you read my post at all? Or

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ashley-is-missing]

the fuck is that even supposed to mean? you dont get the argument, do you?

if just being 🥺🥺uncomfy🥺🥺 with your gender is what transsexualism is seen as, insurance companies will see no incentive to cover those surgeries, as, well, by this logic they would be kind of cosmetic instead of actual treatment for a medical condition. furthermore, the waiting lists will get that much longer, clogging them up and preventing actually trans(sexual) people from getting the treatment they NEED

[enbundad-discourse]

LMAO you really typed all of that out without actually reading my post or the proof attached, huh?

The second image of a textbook? That's the ICD-10-CM, which is the coding manual for the medical field.

The diagnosis of "transexual" includes the following diagnoses:

Gender dysphoria

Gender identity disorder

And, here's the big one that you seem to have missed

Gender incongruence

Ya know, where your gender identity does not align with the one you were assigned at birth but it does not cause you distress.

And also

Transgender

Meaning if you identify as transgender at all, even without being diagnosed with any of the others.

ALL of those are coded the EXACT SAME.

Meaning what?

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE CODED AS TRANSEXUAL!

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[neurologicallyfaultytransmed]

hello I am evil transmed. Please proceed to be afraid.

[enbundad-discourse]

Me: here is proof showing that this belief is not rooted in actual science and care for your fellow trans people

You: wow this guy must be afraid of transmeds heehee

[enbundad-discourse]

So I'm seeing a lot of transmed discord on tiktok. Haven't been on here as much to see it here but I figure we're probably having this argument again.

I'm currently going to college for medical billing and coding. I'm also getting my top surgery in 12 days. When I got my letter for my surgery being approved by insurance, I looked through the paperwork quickly and I noticed that the diagnosis was not gender dysphoria. That's strange, the diagnosis that was on the letter for my surgeon was gender dysphoria.

I was confused so I went into my ICD-10-CM manual and found that the code used had a few diagnoses listed under it.

Meaning that being diagnosed as ANY of these means the treatment related to that will receive that code unless there is a separate one that is more accurate. Let's take a look at what's listed here.

Gender dysphoria, okay.

Gender identity disorder, alright.

Gender incongruence? You mean the thing that transmeds cry isn't what makes you trans?

WILL YOU FUCKERS TAKE THIS AS PROOF THAT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED GENDER DYSPHORIA TO BE TRANS WILL NOT STRIP US OF OUR HEALTHCARE?!

Probably not, because you don't care about facts. You care about feeling like you're better than other people. You just want to put down people who experience gender differently than you.

[ghostmage-deactivated20200411]

you still can’t talk abt why trans men need to be included in pregnancy / menstruation discussions without ppl losing it on this website. it’s twenty twenty, time to stop pretending uterus Discourse begins & ends w/ cis women. we’re moving on from that, together.

[filthylittletucute]

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[terflies]

Why are transmeds