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@garrothromeave
garroth playing with his tuoys :]
In your post you said that Laurance was never gonna be the one to give Garroth consequences for his actions, could you elaborate on that? Didn't Laurance get all upset at Garroth on the beach and say that he is the reason Aaron died? I'd count that as giving him some consequences for his actions right?
i think that's a slightly different situation - because we also have to keep in mind that laurance's mental health has been rapidly deteriorating over the course of season 2, and by the point garroth's returned, laurance is MIA. earlier in the season, he expresses how much he misses garroth alongside aphmau. but towards the end of the season, laurance is battling a lot of rage and anger that he can't control.
another thing is that i would not call laurance telling it as it is a consequence for what garroth's done. all he does is say the truth (albeit, harshly). if i remember correctly, it's along the lines of "you would want to leave it there. after all, you're the reason he's gone." mic drop and laurance leaves. garroth takes it well, because he understands that 1) laurance is right 2) laurance is also not in the right mental space. laurance does not say this out of bitterness. he is not particularly distraught over aaron's death. he doesn't even say it in a "we're in this mess because of you." when he says this, it's more of a "gotcha" moment to make a point in his argument, because he's upset that garroth's not upset like he is about aphmau and aaron's relationship in the first place. so, while it could be seen as laurance getting upset with garroth about the whole irene dimension thing - he's not really. in fact, it has nothing to do with the "time skip" at all. he's trying to hurt garroth because he didn't back him up in ganging up on aphmau. (mental illness ladies and gents)
when i say laurance wasn't going to be the one to give garroth proper consequences, i mean like ACTUAL consequences. while this includes aph/laur getting upset or bitter at him for what happened (which ive established they wouldnt do), there's more to it than just that too. garroth did in fact perform an act of treason - that's insanely serious. i'm not saying he should have been put to death or anything, but given the time period that doesn't seem like it could have been out of the question. imprisonment, stripped of knight/guardhood, exile, hell - even people just being mad at him or shunning him, are all things that could have come out of this. real, tangible consequences. those are the things that i don't think aphmau or laurance would even consider or do.
my post had an emphasis on aphmau because it's especially the case with her, and i only brought laurance up because he feels very similarly to aphmau when it comes to garroth. the reason i don't emphasize him though is because he is going through a lot of clouded judgement by the time garroth's returned, because he's dealing with a lot of anger towards even trusted parties at the moment. nothing to do with his core values, but rather, being a shadow knight and dealing with the calling. that's an important lens to consider, i feel. i think laurance, unclouded by the calling, would be almost the same to aphmau in the sense of forgiveness. i would be as bold as to say laurance forgave garroth in the irene dimension when garroth took laurance's words to heart and made a change, even if he didn't even know the outcome yet of garroth's actions.
"aphmau should have been really pissed off at garroth when he came back" yes she SHOULD have but the point is that she wasn't. yes she missed her children's childhoods. yes she wasn't there to repair phoenix drop when she was needed. but she comes back and helps anyway. she picks up where she left off because that's the person she is. and while garroth's not there, she and laurance mourn for him because they miss him. yes he fucked up and yes he is in the wrong and he knows that too, but the point is that aphmau is not the type of person to hold that against him. i feel like saying that she should have yelled at him or been more angry with him not only undermines their relationship, but aphmau as a character and what her values really are
"i am worthy" "you're such a bad liar"
dude what the fuck
everyone mentioning the flinching thing too. yeah. my jaw dropped how is this the timeline we’re in
"i am worthy" "you're such a bad liar"
dude what the fuck
the frustrating thing about garroth in season 3 is that there genuinely is no good in-universe explanation as to why he acts like that. i've seen some attempts for good reasoning, but it's just not proper enough justification to align with the rest of garroth's character thus far.
a big issue i have is that garroth knows the difference between someone high in power and someone who is an average citizen. he knows the difference between "The Man" and your everyday farmer. he was raised in okhasis to see that kind of privilege and then he lived in phoenix drop where he saw good people trying to live honest lives.
which is why this whole "Tu'La = Bad, Liochant = Tu'La, therefore Liochant = Bad" mentality doesn't make any sense, especially for garroth as a character? he of all people knows that that kind of association does not determine who someone will be. like, don't get me wrong, i like twisting his hesitance for liochant as more of trust issues because of zenix, but that's purely headcanon. any in-universe explanation genuinely falls flat, because that is not how garroth is as a character.
if jess wanted to write garroth with a flaw along these lines, that's fine - just do it consistently. or pick a different character for your xenophobia arc idk
In my last post I started untangling my weird feelings around internet fandoms having the problem of people who haven't actually engaged with the source material. And in the spirit of putting some positivity into this world, now I wanna talk about why the Aphmau fandom doesn't have this problem and it's awesome.
Because nobody is a part of this fandom who hasn't seen at least one of Jess' roleplays. Whether it's one of the Big Three of MyStreet, Minecraft Diaries, or My Inner Demons, or one of her incredibly obscure roleplays that are only preserved in unlisted playlists (which is also Minecraft Diaries), or even watch her current content, you've seen at least one, if not multiple or all of them. Me personally, I've seen like... 90%? I haven't seen a lot of the smaller ones, like Dreams of Estorra or Mermaid Tales, but I will get to them.
Regardless of your engagement level, though, there is a baseline understanding that if you're posting in this fandom, you've watched Aphmau videos. We don't have the problem of people making their bad takes based on someone else's conjecture completely uniformed by canon.
Instead, our bad takes are informed by Canon, and I love that for us. I love that some of us [gestures to myself] love some series enough to tell you the exact episode that any wild plot point happened in. Others remember watching MyStreet in 2018 and are drawing fanart entirely because they heard the announcement about the new seasons, and it activated their Aphmau sleeper agent state. There's a lot of variety, and variety is where fandoms thrive.
Depending on your circle, you can get a crazy mix of takes and experiences with people based on the same source, just completely different relationships to it. Talk to anyone in this fandom who has a rare pair, and they can give you a detailed lecture on the full lore of this rare pair and it's ever fluctuating state in the fandom.
Ask an MCD Laurance fan why he's their favorite character, and you get the full spectrum of character analysis out there. From surface level, "He's hot and tragic and tortured, and I like that" to multi paragraph essays about his complexity and relationships to characters and the very concept of his existence. Talk to a Vylad fan long enough, and they may inevitably make a joke about Jess and Jason being Garte coded for their neglect of him, meanwhile Zane Ro'meave fans are eating good in every universe, while Garroth enjoyers pick apart his brain under a microscope.
No matter what, there's something interesting. There's something new to discover. And that level of shared but different experiences can only come from a place of genuine love attached to the source that is shared. There's no pretending you watched them, there's some idiots who try to pit the shows against each other, but they're the minority. Most of the people in this fandom are really lovely, and I can guarantee that all of them have lost at least a few hours of sleep over the years thanks to these silly little minecraft roleplays.
I think that's beautiful.
this is adorable
Could you possibly give us an update on how the current results look? I am dying to know
not quite yet! i'm giving this a couple of days to circulate - again, i want as MUCH fan input as possible. theres a certain goal im looking for in responses, and if i get that, ill start analyzing and posting the results sooner. but i dont want to jump the gun. no sneak peaks!
i wanna change my answer for the fill in answer that ended with calling garroth a bear, calling laurance a pretty boy, and saying that aaron had dehydrated muscles: i know laurance's face shape now. its inverted triangle 🎉
i know your response and i will update this in my notes thank you
I think it’s because it feels more serious than just “hehe here’s my headcanon”
I think I had a paragraph about Garroth’s build in that optional section lmao
YEAH NO TOTALLY. the images i have in my head of these guys are representations of their personalities, how they're held in my head, and the way i like my dynamics. so it's stupidly personal, the way they look LOL
My friend thought I was taking a quiz for my statistics class with how hard I was pondering that survey 😭
apparently this survey is really making people think . which surprised me a little because i thought everyone had kinda already thought about it, but it really shouldnt have surprised me because even while i was creating it i was still realizing my own takes on their physical appearances. and ive been a fan of this show for YEARS how are these thoughts already not fleshed out in my mind. its a fun exercise :3
I fucked up the link anyways. Hello aphblr please take this survey ^-^ I’m looking for something.
This is a Minecraft Diaries specific survey, covering physical attributes of Garroth, Laurance, and Aaron. Please have at least seen MCD once or know of it in decent detail to take this survey! This should not be answered according to Mystreet interpretations. Also, please take only once!
This survey is based on Minecraft Diaries. If you are more involved with Mystreet, you may still answer, but please have at least seen or kn
If you could share this with friends, servers, reblog whatever (as long as the recipients know MCD), that would be a huge help. I’d love to get as much fan consensus as I can! Thank you :]
thanking those who added detail in the optional response! i see some thoughts that i haven't seen before, but also a lot of overlap. which is interesting for a series made out of blocks, huh? lotta thoughts to explore on that frontier. anyways, keep it up y'all :] i appreciate all of the responses so far!
I fucked up the link anyways. Hello aphblr please take this survey ^-^ I’m looking for something.
This is a Minecraft Diaries specific survey, covering physical attributes of Garroth, Laurance, and Aaron. Please have at least seen MCD once or know of it in decent detail to take this survey! This should not be answered according to Mystreet interpretations. Also, please take only once!
This survey is based on Minecraft Diaries. If you are more involved with Mystreet, you may still answer, but please have at least seen or kn
If you could share this with friends, servers, reblog whatever (as long as the recipients know MCD), that would be a huge help. I’d love to get as much fan consensus as I can! Thank you :]
this was for a halloween aphzine i did last year^_^ i did post this on twt but i deleted my twttr. this is an illustration of malachai's moving castle arc
"i'd kill for you. please ask me to kill for you..." energy here laur
not the point of this i know but laurances play on garroths stuttering kills me
Potential hot take but i think shipping genuinely ruined Diaries for a lot of people. And i dont mean it in fact that we destroyed the mental health of a woman because of it (whoops, sorry Jess). But in that diaries is such a compliacted, long story with so many intresting themes about power, responsibility, community and sacrafice that people just miss.
The romantic subplots are just that, subplots. They supplement the main story and add to its themes, but they arent meant to be the whole ass point. And i feel like if you soley focus on them your not really consuming diaries as a whole and more so just parts of it.
I dunno it just feels like a disservice to the series.
gotta lotta different thoughts on this but i will preface this by saying that i agree with your initial/primary claim - that of, shipping ruined mcd for a lot of individual people. i know this to be true because i let shipping impact my own personal experience with some of the characters and the capacity of which i could actually enjoy the media, though that was more because of the fandom rather than shipping itself. your post, at least through implication, outlines that this "focus on ships" is a disservice to their consumption of minecraft diaries as a media. and that is its own argument, of which i'd love to dissect here. (also clarifying: i'm not saying this is the exact intended meaning of the post, just a possible interpretation that i find interesting and something i want to dive in to.)
first, as to why i mainly agree with what’s being said: minecraft diaries focuses on many different characters, themes, and stories - there's a lot more than a couple of "ships" to the series that gives it its depth and enjoyment. you don't have to like shipping to enjoy minecraft diaries, in fact you can frankly detest it and still get something out of mcd. while i can't say all of the potential imagery and more nuanced story takes were completely intended by jess, you can still find some really beautiful stuff in the story regardless. what makes mcd so fun and stupid is that it's an unconventional method of telling a deeper story, even if done so sloppily in a lot of aspects. sometimes, this can go under the radar in favour of particular dynamics, and can go on to undermine the main focus of certain parts of the story (i. e. that laurmau and garmau were not meant to be endgame within the narrative - the story was built with the intent for them to NOT become canon, stated by jessica herself). with shipping also comes a level of complaisant mischaracterization, or at least suspension of some canonical actions/feelings of characters - which can leave some fans disregarding canon content entirely in favour of dynamics. through art, fanfiction, headcanons, etc - it can even lead to fabrications or complete retellings in order to favour a particular ship. this disloyalty to the baseline media isn’t accepted by everyone, and can lead to disagreements with other fans.
however, i think this can be applied to almost any media, if there's an ability to ship its going to happen that's just fandom culture. but i think it's also important to analyze what shipping means to many people to fully understand this initial post and why i don't fully agree with it; as shipping isn't always "surface level" types of enjoyment. what shipping is, at least in my own theory, is an invitation to what is typically vulnerable. this dives even deeper into societal expectations and the general consensus of what "romance" is. i won't go too in depth here, but the allonormative perspective would be that romantic relationships are ways to express a deeper vulnerability with a person or persons that you wouldn't express with a connection such as a friendship. (NOTE: I am NOT saying this is how everyone experiences relationships, simply that it is the one accepted and expected of by society.) With this in mind, a lot of people who do experience (some level) of romantic attraction might want to express this vicariously through characters and dynamics. this idea that you cannot/won't open up with someone unless there is a romantic connection or interest, and that this is inherent to progress emotionally (this can also tie into physical vulnerability and inherently sex as well). I would argue that most people think this way, at least in regards to ships - though i would also argue that is a subconscious intention. it's just what's expected (romance i mean) in societies so of course, you'll naturally see romance throughout medias, even in medias that don't actually have any romance. this idea that a character needs to be romantically invested in another character in order for them to have a deeper connection is very prominent and is what i feel shapes a lot of storytelling. Of course, this also leads to shippers having that same intuition.
bringing this back to minecraft diaries, let's use garroth as an example (big surprise, i know). garroth is shown to be reclusive and keeps his thoughts and vulnerability quite secluded throughout season 1. Though, if you look at art or fanfictions, it is not at all difficult to find ship content surrounding garroth that takes place in season 1 where he might be more vulnerable, either romantically or sexually. And while there is a huge distinction between romance and sexuality in mcd (created by Jess herself), it is common for popular culture to intertwine these two aspects into one thing. We can see art of him and aphmau kissing, or of him and laurance, or hell all three of them (more power to you). Point is, shipping gives that excuse to allow characters to reach certain mindsets/points of character development without progressing in an overarching plot. Sometimes, people want to see vulnerability in a relationship, and a lot of people don't see that as possible without romantic influence. It's not even a matter of disregarding the plot either: it's just to see characters that you love interacting and connecting on a deep level because that is a dynamic that appeals to you.
(side tangent: I know that not all shipping looks like this either. but in the broadest, multi-fandom inclusion way of what shipping might look like. written or drawn scenarios highlighting the romance between two characters in some way. Also something I also saw in the previous tags is that a lot of shippers enjoy the romantic AND platonic dynamics of their respective ships and that’s already a great barrier to push past!! But this is tumblr so if any audience is going to understand more nuance with relationships its people on tumblr)
while some people stick around for ships alone and the dynamics of those characters, there are other fans who are aware of the deeper themes you could potentially pull from minecraft diaries, and expand on those through ships. To say that focusing on shipping means a fan isn't exploring all of the themes of minecraft diaries is actually more of a disservice to the capacity of fans; as, a focus on a dynamic does not mean they did not watch the rest of it. It's just like having a favorite character - you're more likely to consume, create, and focus on stuff relating to a favorite character, same with a ship. People are multi-faceted. even if they enjoy a ship and only produce content of a ship doesn't mean they're not aware of deeper themes. I've seen so many artists and creators build symbolism, imagery, allegory, foreshadowing - all of these things into their ship pieces. Not only are they curating their own experience with their preferences, they're still telling something about the larger story and the place that a specific ship might have in that media. Does it always align with the intended meaning of the original series? No. But I ask you this: does it have to in order for it to be meaningful to the story? And is that necessarily a disservice?
personally, i have a heavy focus on garroth and aphmau right now, as a dynamic. Do I ship the two of them? no, not in the slightest, but i think they have a really deep connection and its that connection that im really into. does my focus on and appreciation of garroth and aphmau mean that i may not be appreciating the entirety of the media? No, of course not - I'm simply appreciating their place in the story and how their relationship impacts it. This can be said with ships, too. by focusing on dynamics and characters, this actually shows a deeper appreciation for this media than someone just watching it and moving on. There is potential in ships, an ability to flesh out bigger ideas the media may be getting at. Garmau, Laurmau, and Aarmau all have distinct themes that you can choose to pursue and apply to the entirety of what is being said over the course of the story.
Now, if we look at this in a more fandom-heavy sense and it just boils down to ship wars again and it's "my ship is better than this one because of xyz" then yes, I completely agree with the original point. Fans are jumping hurdles to prove something that has no basis outside of their own personal interpretation, and that is a disservice to minecraft diaries because that is not what this is about. Enjoy yourself, but don't put down other people while you do it. If shipping discourse consumes your feed, then I encourage one to revisit the series itself and find what really brings you personal enjoyment. Why this ship stands out to you. its role in the overarching plot and what that can mean.
of course, most of a fandom is shown through ship content, and for an enjoyer of the world rather than specific dynamics, that can be frustrating. But there are still plenty of people out there who are writing about the world, its themes, different perspectives. and that's enjoyable! there are people who do both, write about shipping and the story, either together or as separate entities. Again, it’s about curating spaces. I think some of the biggest world appreciation I did of minecraft diaries is when I was in a ship roleplay that went on for 4 years (rest in peace) where I was able to focus on the politics, the history, imagery, geography, and the themes. This was a simultaneous appreciation of both of the world and the ship, which is very possible and very common. Even if you don't see an outward appreciation for something, doesn't mean it's not there. While i don't personally enjoy ship content, at least in the way i used to, it did serve a purpose in helping me understand the characters and their roles in the story in a much more deep way. (While any roleplay can do that, it still goes to show that a ship roleplay had the capacity to do so too).
I think really what i'm getting at is that consuming and creating based on ships, fans are not only enjoying themselves, but also appreciating the media it derives from. This is one of the biggest services a media can have, is fan creation, adaptation, and enjoyment. To imply that someone is missing the point says that you indeed have the point - and if you can tell me what "The Point" really is of minecraft diaries, then I encourage you to do so. but don't forget that no matter how much you might try, it's going to boil down to one thing: Personal interpretation. And that's what everyone's doing.
thank yew
Despite what people may lead you to believe, Garroth is kind. He's not always nice, but he's kind. It's a core trait of his character. Its what makes him fall out of favor with his father, its why he never saw zenix’s betrayal coming, its why he snuck away in O'Khasis to find his mother. Its fucked him over time and time again but Garroth would not be Garroth if he didnt care so much.