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Me: okay! sleep now!
My brain: no sleep. Shadow Hokage Shikamaru time
Naruto is far more aware of the dark underbelly of being a ninja than Shikamaru or Sakura, since Shikamaru is actively pro-village and Sakura doesn’t have any developed political thoughts, while Naruto sought out and questioned a known terrorist to hear out his views and even sought to understand Sasuke. He hears out Nagato’s thoughts on how nearly everyone in the village is complicit in violence against smaller nations (since the village is like 90% military) and agrees with him, although his “solution” is lackluster. I wasn’t thrilled with his character arc but he definitely was more politically aware than Shikamaru or Sakura. Also, he was targeted and abused by countless adults in the village while Shikamaru and Sakura are two of the most sheltered and privileged characters in the series, which by default makes them less exposed to the dark underbelly of the village in general, even if they kill people and Naruto doesn’t (well, he doesn’t kill a named character, he does kill one mook) They never question the village on a fundamental level like he does.
I do think Naruto in general became a shill and wasn’t thrilled with his character development or Nagato’s conversion but I don’t think he’s less aware than Shikamaru or Sakura, especially since he’s not opposed to killing as a rule and often has killing intent. Not arguing btw just my thoughts since this is an interesting set of tweets
i judge how good a character is by how many lesbians like that character. which is why i like sasuke a lot
[ID: A tweet by @/joblessthursday that says, "u guys think death is the worst thing to happen to a fictional character. the worst thing is actually becoming a cop after a timeskip." Then, in a reply to the original tweet, the original poster adds, "'you would rather someone die than become a cop?' what is difficult to understand here." End ID]
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Sakura’s feelings for Sasuke vs Naruto’s feelings for Sasuke
Sakura:
Naruto:
Sakura:
Naruto:
The difference is that Sakura is always focused on her own feelings, and Naruto is always focused on Sasuke’s wellbeing.
The Uchiha post reminds me that I cannot and will not ever forgive Itachi. I don’t hate him or even really dislike him. He was a child given an impossible choice far beyond his age, and he did what he thought was the correct thing.
But it was not the correct thing.
He chose the village over his family, a village that cared nothing for him, disdained and mistrusted him for who he was, and hated him for his choice. He murdered so many innocents in the name of ‘peace’, and he tortured his little brother and manipulated him until he broke just to ensure that same village had a powerful tool to use. (And had planned on stripping him of his free will if necessary).
I will definitely never forgive or sanctify Itachi. He did horrible, atrocious things, and having a good heart and regretting it doesn’t absolve him of those things. There were children, infants, and simple people who just wanted to live their lives and trusted him, and he murdered them mercilessly so that the village who oppressed them could live more easily without them.
What do you think of this post
https://www.tumblr.com/saski-uchis/740996293540954112/an-analysis-on-sns-and-their-fans-treatment-of?source=share
I stopped reading when op brought up "the truth about itachi?" panel as proof that Sakura can't be judged for not knowing. But okay, I will explain this in more details AGAIN.
1. The difference in how Kishi portrayed Naruto/Sakura reasoning with Sasuke
Naruto's reasoning why Sasuke shouldn't go to Orochimaru: "He will kill you." Naruto is concerned for Sasuke's well-being.
Sakura's reasoning why Sasuke shouldn't go to Orochimaru: "Revenge won't make you... ME happy." And Sasuke says "I knew it (yappari)" because he realizes Sakura is making this about herself. That's why that line is isolated with Sasuke in the background.
She specifically claims she understood what Sasuke meant yet she compares her pain to Sasuke's entire clan being massacred and taken from him, and takes her own parents for granted.
Then when it doesn't work, she starts to confess her feelings (why the hell she always looks angry when she confesses?).
And then she completely flips on her arguments. So much for "revenge won't make you happy" like she cares about Sasuke's happiness. Unlike with Naruto, whose arguments were very simple, Kishi chose to portray Sakura in this insincere and hypocritical manner. This is a writing choice.
He actually says in Japanese "I knew it (yappari), you really are annoying." Notice how Sasuke always uses "I knew it" with Sakura, it's because his first impression of her being ignorant, selfish and childish was correct. So despite him giving her chances his first impression continues to be right.
2. Naruto's reasoning stays the same
Kishi acknowledged that Naruto didn't quite get Sasuke yet at this point, but his intentions were good nonetheless. He just didn't want Sasuke to die/throw his life away.
3. Kage arc and how Kishi again portrayed Naruto and Sakura differently:
Yes, Naruto reacts like this at first.
Kishi showed that Naruto did care and did understand Sasuke's love for his clan. He also showed Naruto was completely fine with letting the massacre be exposed. He did not care about how it would make Konoha look, even when he didn't know it to be true yet. Kishi wrote this for a reason. Kakashi then stops Naruto.
Sakura, who supposedly "loves" Sasuke, heard how much Sasuke loves his clan, was aware that Itachi had been killed, yet she didn't bother to ASK Sasuke, something Naruto was planning to do, why he is now acting the way he is since Itachi had been killed. She just didn't want to feel guilty about the promise between her and Naruto (because her ego really made her believe Naruto was only chasing Sasuke for her). So she decided to kill Sasuke.
Sakura then hears all this (after her failed attempt to kill Sasuke) which means that there is more to Itachi's case than meets the eye, and that Sasuke thinks Konoha is responsible for what happened to his clan. Yet she still doesn't ask anyone what all that was about because she does not care. Her main motivation was always to get into Sasuke's pants, she never cared about Sasuke's feelings or him as a person, that's how Kishi wrote her. The fact op used this last panel to defend Sakura is baffling to me. She was specifically given an opportunity here, and she just shrugged it off.
4. Portraying Naruto and Sakura differently yet again:
Sakura is given the chance to understand Sasuke wants CHANGE and yet does she care?
Nope, she starts yapping about her feelings and how things can go back to the way they were if Sasuke just stays with her, completely discarding Sasuke's desire for change. Which mirrors the confession she made in part 1. Kishi was showing how she has not changed in ways that matter. She is still selfish, and she still doesn't listen/nor care about Sasuke's feelings. This is why Sasuke calls her annoying yet again.
But Naruto, regardless of the shitty ending, does want change. He was shown over and over again to want to change things for the better. You can't possibly use Boruto to deny this part of his character.
Guess who again discarded what Sasuke wanted and asked to come with him on his journey he wanted to take alone, just for romantic purposes? Guess who later CHASED Sasuke just to be with him, once again discarding his wants?
"Naruto forced Sasuke to come back to Konoha" no he didn't. At no point did Naruto say Sasuke needs to live in Konoha. He let Sasuke leave at the end, and didn't force himself with him because Sasuke wanted to go alone.
People who act like Sakura would be revolutionary when Kishi over and over again showed that not only does Sakura not grow as a person, she also does not care about Sasuke's feelings or change.
Same way, Kishi had Shizune tell Sai that Naruto is not chasing Sasuke only for Sakura's sake. Yet Sakura still thought it was just for her, and thought her confession would make Naruto stop chasing Sasuke, and was shocked when Naruto said the promise doesn't even matter. Sakura constantly discards the information she receives because she just does not care if it's not about her relevance or her being together with Sasuke.
"People celebrate Naruto for doing the same things they hate Sakura for" no we don't, we just read the manga and understand what Kishi was trying to tell, hope this helps.
The most jarring thing with SS is that they dont even have platonic chemistry. So when I read a sns fanfic that write them as friendly, it seems so ooc. In canon, Skra look so shy in Saske's presence. They dont have this "we have known each other for awhile, we are confortable with each other" vibe. Its weird.
I read a fanfic recently and they were having a heartfelt platonic conversation and the only thing I could think of was "Wow they never spoke so much word to each other in canon, nor said anything with this much substance to each other."
People love to say we, as sns, are biased so thats why we ignore ss bond but I have shipped a lot of pairings and I could always recognized when the rival pairings made sense and had chemistry even tho I didnt ship them.
lmao yeah ss always try to say everyone is biased if they don’t like their ship tbh even to people that don’t even ship sns, it’s just their only defense if we are honest. and yeah i have tons of ships i hate and i still can admit they make sense as much as i want to pull my hairs out wishing they didn’t
i never deny that sasuke cared for sakura in part 1 because he did, she was his teammate and he grew into her that way but when people claim they have a deep profound bond it’s so ? because there’s not a single interaction that indicates such. her crush literally creates a giant gap because sakura reduces herself to a shy super femenine girl when she’s directing herself towards him and represses her actual personality, despite how clear it is that sasuke doesn’t like her back and rejects her.
and even if ppl love to claim that he always loved her/had a crush on her, sakura can’t even move sasuke with his words and i’m not making this up even SHE admits it when she runs to ask naruto to bring sasuke because only he can and in his second confession when she herself declares that all she can do is beg and cry because she’s unable to get close to him. i mean one of the most jarring things to me is how sasuke despite being decided to leave the village he evolved his sharingan anyway when he heard naruto’s feelings. if he and sakura share such a profound bond why didn’t he upgrade his sharingan when she was begging him to stay and telling him she loved him? hell why does sasuke sharingan NEVER upgrades for sakura when we are told the sharingan is tied to love? he didn’t even blink while trying to kill her at the bridge yet each time at vote sasuke has to make sure to tell naruto why he HAS to kill him.
but anyway i’m gonna be honest, i believe post war sasuke would’ve been fine being on friendly terms at least but sakura deciding to keep pursuing him romantically and chasing him in his travels like gaiden stated is what ruined any possibility of ever being truly close completely that even in gaiden we are shown sasuke didn’t even stay long enough to take a picture together in almost a decade
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Hang in there, Sakura-chan
Okumaya devam et
this is the same guy that this fandom believes post-war would act like hes walking on eggshell or be consumed by guilty while interacting w everyone in konoha lmao
"Try not to cause too much trouble from here on out. It'll fall on my shoulders." Kakashi says. I think Sasuke should cause as much trouble as he wants, just so Kakashi will suffer.
Minato sacrificed his son to save humanity you know who also did that?? God...............
not humanity just konoha which makes it worse like imagine sacrificing ur son to save like portland oregon or something
Sasuke would block sakura on fb because she posts thirsty ass shit like “I’m so wifey but he just cant see it.😭🤣 this tough girl got it tho #notearsleft2cry #fuckboyz”
Meanwhile naruto is like “omg who is this about” in the comment section
Sasuke: The only reason Sakura and Kakashi aren’t dead is because they happened to be standing near you, Naruto.
Ya’ll: Omg he loves Sakura so much
SNS fic rec with reader's commentary
Kizuna Hikari - 200к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Sasuke comes back to Konoha (to Naruto). Naruto's bed is awesome to sleep. Naruro himself is restless, Kurama wants to eat Sasuke for shit-talk, Gaara threatens him. Menwhile, both Sasuke and Naruto are trying to invest a new cool jutsu...
Aftermath - 58к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Naruto fgot tired of Sasuke leaving, so one day he leaves with him. Roadmovie fic: they bicker and fight, they make peace with each other and come back to Konoha together.
Wonder - 7к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Naruto and Sasuke leave Konoha together.
It’s Warm With You - 45к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Sasuke and Naruto leave on a long mission to a very, very cold place. There's no one around, only kilometres of snow and wind.
come find me when - 27к words
Ch 689 postcanon. They write letters to each other while Sasuke is away. But even when they leave on a travel together, they don't stop writing to each other.
Five Star Hotels - 12к words
Sasuke comes back to Naruto only to find that Naruto is apparently has a girlfriend now?
Tabula Rasa - 40к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Konoha officials let Sasuke stay a free man, but they seal his memories.
All warfare is based on deception - 5к words
Hyuuga family funds a wedding (the strategy is flawless).
Speak Now - 5к words
Sasuke sabotages a wedding between Naruto and Hinata.
Armistice - 14к words
Brt postcanon. NH in divorse, Kurama watches everyone, comments on Naruto's new partner Sasuke and plays a nurse for his children occasionally.
Flock of Birds - 8к words
Naruto is under a powerful jutsu that makes him a 6-year old kid. Everyone's around him is big and scary and he doesn't understand why everyone's kind to him.
Homecoming - 4к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Naruto said Sasuke he loves him, but the other just went away. SO now Naruto makes himself Sasuke from his own clones. For hugs.
Killing It - 9к words
Ch 689 postcanon. After Jiraya's death someone 's still piublishing book under his name. But plots suddely change.
heart in your hands - 33к words
Postcanon Ch 689. Sasuke and Naruto start too live together and try to get used to each other. Naruto tries to live with panic attacks and gets overwhelmed that Sasuke even lets him touch him. Sasuke, on the other side is overwhelmed by everything.
One Bed - 8к слов
Ch 689 postcanon. After war Sasuke moves in with Sasuke. There's only one bed and Sasuke doesn't want to get a separate bed.
Rapids - 7к words
Ch 689 postcanon. After war their emotional bond only grows.
The Bond Between Us - 19к words
Another post Ch 689 and emotional bond is as strong. Sasuke comes back to Naruto, Kurama watches him and Naruto... well, he's just happy to be with Sasuke.
Rebuilding - 25к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Naruto becoms a Hokage, but still tries to do everything all at once. Sasuke comes back to chek on him and sees this mess - he's not happy. Time to change this.
Team Meeting - 6к words
Naruto/Sasuke/Naruto. And another one is watching.
a loosened tongue - 4к words
Sasuke eats wrong berries, they work as a truth serum. He needs Naruto immidiately.
The Guardian of the Moon - 175к words
Sasuke comes back to Konoha. Naruto personally vouches for him and they move into a house that's built specially for him on Nara territory.
The sun within me - 339к words
Sasuke and Naruto transgress into an alternative universe where Charasuke and Menma live. Suddenly, everyone around there is convinced they're boyfriends. Itachi and Obito are alive. With extras.
This Will Be Easy - 24к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Sasuke and Naruto move into one apartment, but Sasuke gets on Naruto's nverves very quickly (he starts to walk around the apartmen without pants).
Unburied & Examined - 16к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Sasuke gets tired to stay in friendzone.
Here Comes The Sun - 108к words
Naruto wakes up in his 12 year old body. Kakashi and Itachi greet him and tell him that they fixed everything. Uchihas are alive.
Guess Who’s Under the Mistletoe? - 3к words
AU. Uchihas are alive. Madara is just a grumpy old man. The whole family wants to know who's Sasuke's boyfriend.
A question of Lust (a question of trust) - 46k words
Fantasy AU. Uzushio's prince Naruto has to choose a hiusband. Different men will fight for him on a tournament. Konoha sent two contestants: Neji - who wanted to go; and Sasuke - who had to.
Hold me at the break of everything - 11k words
AU. Charasuke has a special mission: he has to help Sasuke and Naruto to accept their feelings for each other. If he fails, the world will end. There's bits of NH dates and Charasuke fooling with Sasuke.
The Divine Glitch - 38k words
AU. Sasuke is an Angel of Death and Naruto is a baby who has to die. An ordinary job goes wrong.
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My own fics:
Ignite - 2,5k words
F1 AU. Itachi is a huge F1 fan and especially Kitsune's pilot - Naruto Uzumaki. His younger brother Sasuke will suffer with him when Itachi wants to visit one of F1 races.
If there is love, there’s peace - 2к words
Ch 689 postcanon. Sasuke and Naruto plan a wedding and Naruto wants Sasuke to be his best man... except he's his future husband. Wedding AU.
Blinding Light Right Where Your Heart Is - 16k words
Sasuke is lost in the past and has to care for young baby Naruto. Ah, guilt, old friend.
One Funeral and Two Weddings - 15k words
AU. Madara is an ex-mob boss. Uchihas are alive, Makoto is his daughter, he loves Itachi hike a son and Sasuke is his favorite grandson. Most rebellious one, likes to stir shit. HashiMada + SNS.
It's kind of funny that the later arcs of Naruto Shippuden condemns Sasuke's way of thinking by claiming that Konoha was operating on some form of moral complexity, when in reality, it operates on an "anyone who supports Konoha = good, anyone who is against Konoha = bad" mindset. It's really jarring and, honestly, hypocritical. If the "villains" of the series operate on a 'necessary evil' against Konoha, they're labeled as evil. When Konoha operates on a 'necessary evil' (which is, honestly, just a lame excuse at this point), it's 'for the greater good' and is mostly endorsed or swept under the rug.