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ben ā he
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read my menelaus/helen fic
i am currently reading the iliad so have helen of sparta
menelaus and helen // rupert brooke
AS WE GET OLDER AND STOP MAKING SENSE, YOU WONāT FIND HER WAITING LONG. diomedes and odysseus
just now found the paradise that is your blog and wanted to ask DO YOU HAVE A GOOGLE DRIVE THAT HOLDS YOUR STUDY RESOURCES
[kneels] i beg of you [kneels] please [kneels] i BEG please
i will share all the google drives i have? i don't have a coherent one with EVERYTHING on. cause i'm not that organised
homeric google drive. tantalus google drive. recent thesis google drive.
hope this helps <3
Crazy how the first half of the epic of Gilgamesh is ancient yaoi and the second half is about mortality and meeting death face to face and choosing to live a life worth living in spite of it all
Why is it always about Orpheus turning back foolishly and never about Eurydice following him out of the Underworld, likely knowing she was doomed. That Orpheus went all this way, singing the story of their love, hopeful that he will return her to the surface and finally build their life togetherā but they will not. She knows her Orpheus will turn back. And yet she still follows him, all the way to the top, because the simple pleasure of seeing his back again is enough for her. Isnāt that a foolish thing to do for love?
I saw this meme and I immediately think to myself "how do I make this about them"
i see where people are coming from with 'menelaus and helen are soulmates. preordained to be together' because it fits with the whole fall of troy. gods getting what they want narrative that stems from their marriage and, ultimately, their separation.
but when i read texts like the odyssey and helen by euripides and what they go through and the effort they put in to rebuilding themselves as individuals and as a couple even though troy is gone. i feel they have more fuck soulmates. i love you on purpose. energy
extremely menelaus-coded meme tweet just dropped:
i feel like shit so can i show you guys my favourite minotaur statues/sculptures
warning for artistic nudity i guess
first, thereās this lovely guy
if i donāt gush over back muscles assume i am dead
then thereās this unnecessarily horny theseus and minotaur
another theseus and minotaur. theseus leave the minotaur alone challenge
nice butts and back muscles, i approve
then thereās this gorgeous lad
but my favourite is this pensive liāl guy
please look at him and his little tail and how heās leaning on his own horn and is kinda just trying to figure things out. amazing
thank you, thatās all
wait i forgot one
āwell now iām not doing itā
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oggghh the beautiful longhorn
omg the iliad ā¤ļø thatās my favorite workplace sitcom
forgot to post this here! a menelaus for @menelaiadās birthday last sunday <3333
Are they flirting or ...what are they even doing?š¤Ø
This is soooo me lol except delete everything you just said and replace it with a tasteful poem about a beautiful young man with strong shapely arms and a firm curvaceous body
i wrote a short little menelaiad-inspired thing on ao3 if anyone wants to read it
some nice helen/menelaus introspective stuff
If the apple of discord was thrown down at the wedding feast of Peleus and Thetis, how did Achilles, their son, fight in the Trojan war? The timeline does not make sense to me unless you just chalk that up to the timing of the Eternal, Deathless Gods but mortals are involved. Like Paris is presumably asked right after the wedding to judge who gets the apple then he picks Aphrodite who has promised him the most beautiful woman. Does she like wait to find out who that is and that causes the delay? The story seems to go that she promises Helen, they kidnap Helen and then the war begins so like thatās a year tops in my mind but how would that give Achilles time to become the teenager he is in the war? Please help. If there is a definitive answer excellent but I also just want theories.
i really love love love this question, cus iāve thought about it a lot, especially because i consider Paris and Achilles to be around the same age, which, as you said, would make no sense.
sadly, i donāt have a definitive answer, but i do have a theory. itās quite long though so buckle up.
As you probably know, Aphrodite, Hera and Athena asked Zeus to solve the issue before resorting to Paris. Zeus couldnāt answer and by the timeline of the Gods, many mortal years had passed so Paris would have been born, sent away from the palace and had enough time to grow up at this point. Ares suggests him, the goddesses ask and Paris gets bribed. But he doesnāt take Helen straight away, because heās still a goatherd at this point.
Before I finish with that, letās get back to Achilles. One would probably assume that within the first year of Thetisā and Peleusā marriage, he was already born, but thatās actually not true. The couple had six sons before Achilles, but they all passed away somehow (which, i like to think, is the reason Thetis is so protective). That means, even if they all died on Day 1 of their life and Thetis conceived the very same day: 9 months x 6 = 54 months aka. 4,5 years. Thatās at least 4 and a half years before Achilles was born, but I think I can safely assume it took a little longer. Letās say 6 years (which btw is still unrealistic and would probably be horrible for Thetisā health but I digress).
So now, Achilles is born, stuff happens: Achilles meets Phoenix and Patroclus, he gets sent to Chiron, and eventually Scyros etc. Letās say heās 17 when that happens. Still a teen, but old enough to get Deidamia pregnant. Realistically, Thetis would only send him away when the threat of the war is imminent, so Helenās kidnapping happens when Achilles is 17. I tend to say Helen was around 24, Paris was maybe 21. I believe however that the Judgement of Paris happened a couple years before.
Because, consider, Paris picks Aphrodite as a goatherd, but he kidnaps Helen as a prince. So somewhere in between, Cassandra must've found him and brought him back. He then had to get used to royal life, but, more importantly, all the ships had to be ready to go to Sparta. It could've happened in a couple of days, but a couple of years isn't unrealistic either, and it fits the timeline better.
It's a bit all over the place, so here's summary:
0 years: Peleus' and Thetis' wedding, Golden Apple incident (Paris/Achilles not born)
2 years: Paris is born and abandoned.
6 years: Achilles is born.
19 years: The Judgement of Paris happens, Paris is still a goatherd.
23 years: Paris kidnaps Helen, start of the war, Achilles is aged 17
The only time ādivine timingā really plays a role is between the wedding the Judgement of Paris. In divine timing 19 years is nothing, just enough time for Zeus and Ares to get involved. Paris wouldāve probably already held one or two bullfights at the age of 17 when he is chosen to judge between the goddesses and from then on everything runs pretty smoothly, bearing in mind the 4 years between Aphrodite promising Helen to him and Paris actually kidnapping Helen.
sorry it took so long to post this, had to get my thoughts in check then type it up :D
just wanted to add something!!!! I didnāt really touch on this part of the ask:
[Paris] picks Aphrodite who has promised him the most beautiful woman. Does she like wait to find out who that is and that causes the delay?
I think Aphrodite knew very well that Helen would be Parisā wife, because basically everyone, even mortals, knew that Helen was the most beautiful woman at the time. Thatās why there was such a fuss over her hand in marriage, why the Greek oath ever even happened. Thatās why she was kidnapped by Theseus years prior! Additionally, Helenās status as Menelausā wife is incredibly important for fate and the ādivine planā that the Trojan War was following. The disappearance of any other woman or even any other Queen wouldnāt have such an effect. Now if she knew, the question remains: Surely she couldāve brought Helen to him somehow else, even if he is a goatherd, right? While, yes, and Fate ruled that they would be together eventually, Iām a firm believer that within the bounds of Fate, free will still exists. The destination is always the same but the journey to reach that point is a choice.
Iāve said before that I really donāt think Paris cared for the goddessesā bribery. I donāt think he cared about Aphroditeās promise until he actually saw Helen 4 years later. Honestly, I think he forgot about it, especially when the whole actually-youre-a-prince thing came up and overshadowed it. Even if he was a horny little bitch as some people have characterised him, he had a girlfriend at the time. Helen was probably the last thing on his mind. That is up until he was sent on that diplomatic mission and saw Helen of course. And the rest is historyā¦