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apatheticfluorescence

some hyper famous artists like Van Gogh transcend overratedness and become underrated because they're so normalized. Like I'll look at a van Gogh and I'm like wait this really is amazing you guys don't get it

headspace-hotel

Shakespeare is like this

insufferablepirate

Every time I see a Van Gogh that’s not one of his better known pieces it absolutely blows me away

Have you seen this shit my liege? smh unreal

#omg iliad core #homer core in general #greek mythology #greek myth #iliad #odyssey #homer #the iliad #the odyssey #and shakespeare and van gogh obvs obvs

echo-loves-flowerboy

pelideswhore

the worst part about making that odyssey timeline was finding out that, all added up, odysseus wasn't actually gone for a full 20 years.......

#how long then?#<- 8 years and 144 days!#for the odyssey that is #as for the actual war there’s no way to really know #greek mythology #greek myth #the odyssey #odyssey #homeric epics #homer #tagamemnon #reblog

the worst part about making that odyssey timeline was finding out that, all added up, odysseus wasn't actually gone for a full 20 years.......

#can i now officially say i put more effort into the odyssey than homer /j #^that is a lie btw... the worst part was making it. horrible experience do not reccomend #greek mythology #greek myth #the odyssey #odyssey #homeric epics #homer #tagamemnon #homers odyssey #odysseus #ancient greece #mythology #mythos #greek mythos

a-book-of-creatures

Book that was good: I liked it 👍

Book that was bad: this sucked 👎

Book that I wanted to like but which failed to live up to my hopes: I am going to write 10,000+ words explaining exactly why this book wronged me

#tsoa unfortunately #the POTENTIAL #and no one else can ever attempt it again because madeline miller fucked it up for everyone #greek mythology #greek myth #achilles #patroclus

pelideswhore

compiling a list of geneva war crimes committed in the iliad/trojan war...... tell me which characters you'd like to hear the score of

pelideswhore

achilles

compelling a prisoner of war to serve in forces of a hostile power

unlawful confinement of protected people

taking hostages

intentionally launching an attack knowing it will cause incidental harm to civilians

attacking undefended towns

killing a combatant after their surrender

subjecting enemy to unjustifiable physical mutiliation

destroying enemy property outside bounds of necessity

pillaging a town

committing outrages upon personal dignity

committing any form of sexual violence (e.g. sex slavery)

intentionally using starvation as a method of warfare

hector

refusing to take prisoners

seizing enemy property outside bounds of necessity

pelideswhore

note that while hector definitely did better, he also had significantly less opportunity to commit any war crimes!!!!

for several reasons such as

troy was not the occupying power

there were no “protected people” (e.g. women) in the greek camp

there were no civilians in the greek camp

the war was solely in troy, so no greek towns were available

luanna801

#and once again reminder to everyone: we cannot apply modern standards to greek myths etc etc

soundbuster

But Hector technically did do a war crime in modern standards.

Rule 113 of the International Humanitarian Law states:

Each party to the conflict must take all possible measures to prevent the dead from being despoiled. Mutilation of dead bodies is prohibited.

And in Book 17, Homer narrates after Hector killed Patroclus:

Hector, tearing the famous armor off Patroclus, tugged hard at the corpse, mad to hack the head from the neck with bronze and drag the trunk away to glut the dogs of Troy. - Book 17, 143-146

I know it's one crime compared to Achilles' thousand, but how many do we not know of?

The Iliad only takes place in the last year of the war. That's nine years worth of possible opportunities for Hector as well as Achilles to such horrors.

#good catch!#reblog #greek mythology #greek myth #hector of troy

pelideswhore

everytime someone makes an achilles take an angel loses its wings

goethefaustworld

All right, I'll try!

Despite Achilles' central conflict in the Iliad being the prophecy his mother gave him, the choice presented to him is an illusion: troy is destined to fall and for that to happen he needs to fight (among a slew of senseless things: why the fuck do they need a dead man's bones?) He must kill Hektor, the best warrior at troy, and then deal with the last batch of reinforcements the city received (and the kheteioi but they don't seem to be particularly relevant)

He never had a choice as his mother told him. And Zeus confirms in the Iliad that Achilles will fight and lead Troy to destruction (and die because of it)

Troy was always destined to fall. Odysseus was always destined to be lost at sea for 10 years. Achilles was always destined to die at Troy

goethefaustworld

You say that, but I don't think so: the Achaeans needed him as much as they needed Odysseus, hence why he personally recruited Achilles and Agamemnon personally recruited Odysseus (which are parallel in the "exposing a deception to recruit an important fighter")

The moment Zeus puts things into motion to start the war (both producing Hellen and neglecting to invite Eris to the wedding) Achilles is doomed to die.

You gotta remember: fate was personified both by the Moirai and by Ananke (both with weaving imagery) and their word is law. There's exactly one instance of defying what destiny foretold, ironically by Achilles, when his rage threatened to end the Troyan war ahead of schedule so Zeus orders every god (except Okeanos, who didn't attend) to go fight at Troy on whichever side they choose. And I got the vibe that allowing fate to be subverted would be a very bad idea

Achilles was doomed to be killed by Alexander even before he was born

#i had a very specific source in mind when i said that and i cant seem to find it rn #i will reblog again with smth actually worthwhile when i do but rn im in the middle of finals and getting my ass kicked #and after that i have a wedding to attend lmaoo so it might be a while but bear with me #reblog

pelideswhore

everytime someone makes an achilles take an angel loses its wings

goethefaustworld

All right, I'll try!

Despite Achilles' central conflict in the Iliad being the prophecy his mother gave him, the choice presented to him is an illusion: troy is destined to fall and for that to happen he needs to fight (among a slew of senseless things: why the fuck do they need a dead man's bones?) He must kill Hektor, the best warrior at troy, and then deal with the last batch of reinforcements the city received (and the kheteioi but they don't seem to be particularly relevant)

He never had a choice as his mother told him. And Zeus confirms in the Iliad that Achilles will fight and lead Troy to destruction (and die because of it)

Troy was always destined to fall. Odysseus was always destined to be lost at sea for 10 years. Achilles was always destined to die at Troy

#okay you get a pass #im more of the opinion that he had a ““choice”” in a sense but he was always going to choose the same thing (ie to die)#also he made that choice when he stepped foot on that ship as a teen and there was no more taking back that choice #which in a way makes him a tragic figure imo. a victim of the environment if you will #reblog #greek mythology #greek myth #achilles #tagamemnon #the iliad

everytime someone makes an achilles take an angel loses its wings

#greek mythology #greek myth #achilles #iliad #the iliad #homers iliad #im exaggerating obvs but sometimes it feels like im not #tagammemnon #homeric epics

pelideswhore

compiling a list of geneva war crimes committed in the iliad/trojan war...... tell me which characters you'd like to hear the score of

pelideswhore

achilles

compelling a prisoner of war to serve in forces of a hostile power

unlawful confinement of protected people

taking hostages

intentionally launching an attack knowing it will cause incidental harm to civilians

attacking undefended towns

killing a combatant after their surrender

subjecting enemy to unjustifiable physical mutiliation

destroying enemy property outside bounds of necessity

pillaging a town

committing outrages upon personal dignity

committing any form of sexual violence (e.g. sex slavery)

intentionally using starvation as a method of warfare

hector

refusing to take prisoners

seizing enemy property outside bounds of necessity

pelideswhore

note that while hector definitely did better, he also had significantly less opportunity to commit any war crimes!!!!

for several reasons such as

troy was not the occupying power

there were no “protected people” (e.g. women) in the greek camp

there were no civilians in the greek camp

the war was solely in troy, so no greek towns were available

luanna801

#and once again reminder to everyone: we cannot apply modern standards to greek myths etc etc

pelideswhore

💬 0 🔁 7 ❤️ 13 · geneva war crimes · some of you might have seen the recent post i made on iliad characters and the war crimes they committ

#op i love you for this #<- i don’t want your fucking love omfg #i’m actually fuming rn #the audacity to be a zionist commenting like this on a post that was inspired by the war crimes of israel in palestine is appalling #and also uniquely israeli so ig i shouldn’t be surprised

sarafangirlart

Hera and Ares, based on the painting by Sophie Koner - Maria Wilhelmine Klemperer with her son Otto Ernst Heinrich Klemperer

Ovid, Fasti 5. 229 ff (trans.Boyle) (Roman poetry C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) :

"[Flora tells the story of the birth of Mars-Ares :] Mars [Ares] also, you may not know, was formed by my [Flora's] arts. I pray that Jove [Zeus] stays ignorant of this. Holy Juno [Hera], when Minerva [Athene] sprang unmothered, was hurt that Jove did not need her service. She went to complain to Oceanus of her husband's deeds. She stopped at our door, tired from the journey. As soon as I saw her, I asked, ‘What's brought you here, Saturnia [Hera]?’ She reports where she's going, and cites the cause. I consoled her with friendly words : ‘Words,’ she declares, ‘cannot relieve my pain. If Jove became a father without using a spouse and possesses both titles by himself, why should I not expect a spouseless motherhood, chaste parturition, untouched by a man? I'll try every drug on the broad earth and empty Oceanus and the hollows of Tartarus.’

Her speech was mid-course; my face was hesitant. ‘You look, Nympha, as thou you can help,’ she says. Three times I wanted to help, three times my tongue stuck : Jupiter's anger caused massive fear. ‘Please help me,’ she said, ‘my source will be concealed;’ and the divine Styx testifies to this.

‘A flower,’ I said, ‘from the fields of Olenus [in the Peloponnesos] will grant your wish. It's unique to my gardens. I was told : "Touch a barren cow; she'll be a mother." I touched. No delay : she was a mother.’

I quickly plucked the clinging flower with my thumb. Juno feels its touch and at the touch conceives. She bulges, and enters Thrace and west Propontis, and fulfils her wish : Mars [Ares] was created. Recalling my role in his birth, Mars said : ‘You, too, should have a place in Romulus' city.’"

[N.B. The fact that Ovid mentions the Greek city of Olenos in this myth, strongly suggests it was derived it from a Greek source.]

#greek mythology #greek myth #hera #ares

katerinaaqu

Do you have any recs for other Greek archaeology /classic Greek literature blogs?

We mean outside from art right? Well I think I remember from the top of my head @poetryofapollo as well as @dilutedh2so4 oftentimes make posts about sources they discover. Also @pelideswhore creates posts about some sources or studies. People like @deathlessathanasia also provide with some studies quotes at posts (I do not always agree with the sources they cite but they do mention where they got their sources from which is really important and allows you to go and check those studies yourself). @ulises-aithon as well as @herb-on-a-stick often have discussed sources and some opinions in regards to them with the first of the two focus more on certain aspects of natural world too

Now on actual artifacts I believe @venomspecs oftentimes posts something and makes some comments on stuff as well as @tridentandtales posts or reblogs artifacts including Greek ones. @nysus-temple also is open for discussion on classical sources like both latin and greek ones. I remember @ilions-end has posted studies and source material to their profile too. Sometimes @laiapolypharmakos adds source material to their posts if you wanna read passages of the texts

That is what comes from top of my head now as a source stage

#thank you for the shout out!!! 🫂#not greek mythology

greymvs

#i was going to tag this as patrochilles then i remembered i dont ship them #greek mythology #greek myth

pelideswhore

headcanon that laertes would tell his son about his experiences the argo when he was little and it terrified the shit out of odysseus so he swore to himself he would never be a hero like that, he would never get on a ship.....

katerinaaqu

Well not greatly fond of the lists that include Laertes to the bunch for several reasons (age and distance included) but

Somehow I think it would be the opposite hahaha that he would be encouraged the hell to be a similar hero and better. That he WOULD get on the ship That he would get FURTHER away than whatever Laertes ever did That he WOULD be the leader of his own story That he WOULD be the king of the seas and adventures That if his father did it he would do it better and more effectively

And eventually realizing that he gets more than whatever he ever bargained for! Dunno why hahahaha Odysseus strikes me more for a guy "careful what you ask for" universe energy guy hahahahaha

pelideswhore

i don’t usually consider laertes one of the argonauts either but the idea was interesting!! and yeah odysseus does give “careful what you wish for vibes” (cough cough polyphemus) but at the same time, he was one of the few (only?) that refused the idea of the war from the beginning…. that had to start somewhere

#reblog #greek mythology #greek myth #odysseus #the odyssey

headcanon that laertes would tell his son about his experiences the argo when he was little and it terrified the shit out of odysseus so he swore to himself he would never be a hero like that, he would never get on a ship.....

#greek mythology #greek myth #odysseus #the odyssey #the argonauts #argonautica

breaking down the criteria for my attachment to male fictional characters and its just men with an unorthodox number of father figures

#what does this say about me #we'll never know #greek mythology #greek myth #achilles #fox mulder #the x files

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