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Linguistic knowledge versus pedantry, a graph

A. Danger point. Increased linguistic knowledge has led to a surge in linguistic pedantry, resulting in an imblance.

B. Crisis point. Full on pedant. False confidence in good linguistic knowledge has led to pedantic half-truths outweighing facts.

C. The road to recovery. Taking time to understand how language actually owrks has led to a more tolerant outlook.

D. A sensible place to be. The more you know about language, the more you see the nonsense of linguistic pedantry. Be aware that at point D you may be called upon to challenge people at point B. This can be difficult, as people at point B often have the weight of public opinion behind them. Be patient, and encourage them to move towards point C.

(by Rob Drummond on twitter)

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Having the experience of being a linguistics student surrounded by English lit students, I can say some people will never get past point B, no matter how much you try to educate them.

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This perfectly illustrates how I feel about my job.

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“No problem” vs “you’re welcome”

Speaking of linguistics, there’s one particular linguistic tick that I think clearly separates Baby Boomers from Millennials: how we reply when someone says “thank you.”

You almost never hear a Millennial say “you’re welcome.” At least not when someone thanks them. It just isn’t done. Not because Millennials are ingrates lacking all manners, but because the polite response is “No problem.” Millennials only use “you’re welcome” sarcastically when they haven’t been thanked or when something has been taken from/done to them without their consent. It’s a phrase that’s used to point out someone else’s rudeness. A Millennial would typically be fairly uncomfortable saying “you’re welcome” as an acknowledgement of genuine thanks because the phrase is only ever used disingenuously.

Baby Boomers, however, get really miffed if someone says “no problem” in response to being thanked. From their perspective, saying “no problem” means that whatever they’re thanking someone for was in fact a problem, but the other person did it anyway as a personal favor. To them “You’re welcome” is the standard polite response.

“You’re welcome” means to Millennials what “no problem” means to Baby Boomers, and vice versa.The two phrases have converse meanings to the different age sets. I’m not sure exactly where this line gets drawn, but it’s somewhere in the middle of Gen X. This is a real pain in the ass if you work in customer service because everyone thinks that everyone else is being rude when they’re really being polite in their own language.

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Something interesting to note is also the more literal meaning behind these two phrases and how they themselves differ and oppose each other

‘No problem’, coming from a millennial’s mouth, within the context of helping someone – whether it be holding a door open/picking up something someone may have dropped/etc. – and, naturally, being thanked for it, implies that the kind gesture was indeed, not a problem, that it was just the thing to do, that they were happy to help and that no thanks was really necessary.

While a Baby Boomer’s ‘You’re welcome’ in contrast, says something miles different, it actually highlights the fact that the person went out of their way to help someone; almost brings attention to it in a way, saying 'Yeah, I helped you, I did you this favor I accept your thanks.’ which, malicious intent or not, is strikingly different than the millennial downplay of their act of kindness for the sake of helping someone.

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The broad class that these expressions belong to is that of phatic expressions, formulaic expressions that are used less for their literal meaning and more for their social contribution. Others include “hi/hello/good morning” and “how do you do?/how are you?/what’s up?/how’s it going?” (Fun experiment: next time someone asks you “what’s up?” try replying smoothly “good, how are are you?” – or the inverse, replying “not much, what’s up with you?” to “how are you?” – and see if they even notice.)

The sub-class of phatic expressions involving “you’re welcome” and “no problem” is known as minimizers, and “no problem” is indeed newer (although it seems to date to the 1980s, so it’s not a perfect correlation with Millennials). Other minimizers are “no worries”, “sure”, “my pleasure”, “okay”, “anytime”, “don’t mention it” and others in this list. Minimizers often vary by age, geographic location, and other factors: ”you’re welcome”, for example, isn’t so old either – the OED’s first citation for it is from 1907 (”my pleasure” and “don’t mention it” are older). Another which I’ve noticed Americans using over the past few years is “mmhm” or “uh-huh”, which I’ve never heard in Canada as a minimizer. That’s about all the research I can find on them at the moment – anyone know any more detailed studies?

illustriouspredicate

To add to the list of 'you're welcome' alternatives, I use and have heard others use 'yep', 'yup', and 'yip.' Although, I feel like I lean more towards 'yip'.