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iâm 90% sure this is what was going on
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How many years is it now that Iâve been in this fandom, and yet Iâve only just realised the blatant symbolism of how the Assassins wear white, while and Templar colours are black and red.
In other words: Ubi planted the symbolism of the Assassins being heroic and good, and the Templars being evil, for the majority of the seriesâŠand then expected everyone to listen when they brought in Shay who is not evil, but still wears those coloursâŠ
And by the way, Iâm all for that messing up of expectations and subversion of traditional symbolismâŠbut this exposes that a lot of the fans who are quick to write off Shay as evil (often, dare I say, without even playing the game) are simply just not questioning anything beyond what they see in front of them, at face value.
Somewhat ironic, for a series all about questioning everything. âNothing is true, everything is permitted but all people who align with the Assassins are god-like and perfect and all Templars are evil and never even slightly OK not even at all .â đ€
Me in 2019: AU where the Finneganâs son is actually still alive and squabbles with Monro over harbouring a random half-dead ex-Assassin in his house and then squabbles even more with his Ma when she tries to give this guy his clothes, but ultimately he and Shay becomes best of friends, nay brothers and he helps Monro and Gist train Shay up in the Templar ways (while getting way too drunk and having way too much of a good time when the Colonelâs not looking)
Me in 2022: Wait, what do you mean âAUâ??? itâs canon to me now
- I am face to face with The man I used to be Dreams I dared to dream When love was all The innocence of youth Like memories of truth return To learn forgiveness -Â Â (The Man I Used To Be - The Count of Monte Cristo) Listened to the Count of Monte Cristo musical again and I thought this song fits Shay so much looking back to his Assassin days- (The musical kinda fits him so I even thought out some kind of Count of Monte Cristo AU with Shay based on AC Rogue oop- SSJDF)
â In 1755, Monro's men found the Assassin Shay Cormac adrift and unconscious in the Atlantic Ocean. Monro decided to rescue him, despite William Johnson's furious objections. â
So, my phoneâs autocorrect apparently wants Shayâs name to be:
Shay Cormorants
Shay Comrade
Shay Corset
Take your pick...
What would assassins creed characters reaction be if they read fans posts about them and tweets about them đđ?
Haytham most definitely would be like : meme from (@fxllxxt-nxw-vxgxs )
Connor :
Shay:
why dont the assassins creeds go back in time and kill some dinosaurs
okay FIRST OF ALL you FUCKING CASUAL thats not even how it works!! they dont physically travel back in time, but have vivid hallucinations of time travel thanks to the magic of technology and agent pre-human godspecies!!!!!
why dont the assassin creeds just fly the eagles into the pope
A piece of media: This is a complex story where no one is evil and no one is a saint. People are a reflection of their world, their life experiences and trauma. Morality depends on context from which you view the character. You are not supposed to find every character good or even likable. You can take sides and find real life parallels but the biggest point is to make you think and maybe recognize the flaws in yourself as well as the goodness in those you hate.
Tumblr: okay so THIS is the bad person and THIS is the good person. This is the oppressor and this is the oppressed. This is the abuser and this is their victim. If you like this EVIL character you are clearly the same as my asshole dad who reminds me of this character. Not taking a moralistic stance on a fictional story means you are amoral. Analysis is actually about figuring out who the bad-est person is so you can disavow them and who the good-est person is so you can root for them. The media you consume reflects your values and the characters you find interesting are clearly the ones who are exactly the same as you.
Since Haytham's book killed my soul, I drew this.
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The Colonial Templars trying to have a meeting whenever Haythamâs away:
Haytham hearing about this later:
So the long story is, I made up a Shaytham fic-writing cheat sheet that includes a bullet-point timeline of every relevant canon event as well as other bits of lore that are just useful for writing and I might drop it maybe eventually,,
But the short story is while researching for this cheat sheet, I found out Haytham only calls Shay by his first name when theyâre alone, no that is not mentioned on any wiki page, and yes I triple-checked every cutscene. I donât know what it means but I just think itâs exciting.
So, I just want to add a little bit of a note to this, for clarification and nuance. That is a common and period-accurate way to treat someone in that time, even if you knew them pretty well. People simply did not use first names nearly as much as we do now, particularly not publicly. Using someoneâs first name was a sign of how close your relationship was, itâs true, but you wouldnât necessarily, especially not as men, call one another by first names, either in public or in private. It does denote a kind of intimacy, though it wasnât necessarily romantic intimacy. Hence the phrase âfirst-name basis,â and how being allowed to call someone by their first name required their consent. It definitely meant something, just not always intimacy in the same sort of way we mean now.
Like now, it also depended on the people involved and how comfortable they were with being casual with others. So Haytham calling Shay by his first name is both a sign of respect and that they are close enough to have that sort of first-name basis. I canât see Haytham being the sort of person to informally refer someone by their first name in general, even privately, and when he does, itâs usually around other Templars. Of course, the existence of Charles Lee refutes this entirely, as Haytham almost immediately calls him Charles, in public, and to others.
However, nothing Iâve said precludes this as a headcanon for the ship! There is no reason it couldnât be interpreted as special, because while Haytham is formal and pays utmost attention to the etiquette of the time, he also makes an exception for Ziio, as well, who we know was important to him. Or, maybe itâs a starting point for Haytham and Shay! Whatever the situation, thereâs no definite reason rule out this behaviour as insignificant or that the only explanation is historical precedent. I only point it out to say that the writers of the game probably didnât have that in mind when they wrote it, but as always, canon is merely a suggestion. Just wanted to add a bit of history as a jumping-off point.
As a writer myself, I also want to add itâs entirely possible that the way Haytham treats Shay differs from the way he treats characters in AC3 is because there were different writers involved, iirc, and because he interacts with so few others in Rogue. Still not a reason it canât be special.
Yes!! All of this. I love period social nuances and theyâre so ingrained in my head that I didnât think to point any of this out.
Even outside of a âromanticâ context, (sorry, Iâm putting Shaytham down for a second), calling someone by their first name during this time usually pointed to having a very close relationship with that person. I donât know if Assassinâs Creed meant for it to have quite that much significance, since it seems like itâs something Haytham just decides to do the second he meets someone, but itâs also something that he only does with a handful of people.Â
Iâd have to do some deep diving back into all of Haythamâs cutscenes to figure out exactly why he does this (that is, why he only drops formalities with certain people, close or not. Obviously it means something for his character in the grand scheme, I just donât know what). In Shayâs context though, Steven Piovesan mentioned in an interview how Haytham handles him differently than the other Templars because of his history. It would make sense for him to not want to alienate Shayâ who, (1) is his best asset for getting rid of the Assassins, and (2) has a record of volatile loyaltiesâ by coming off as harsh and cold. He needs Shayâs help, and doesnât want him to think he made the wrong decision, so he immediately jumps into this kind of confidant relationship with him, perhaps as a brother or parent figure (which, coincidentally, takes up the spot that Liam and Achilles used occupy).Â
Realistically, itâs hard to say whether or not Haytham actually thought of Shay that way, or if he just saw Shay as an immediate solution to his problem, and so he cleverly used him and then got rid of himâ which would be very on-brand for our Grand Master. But I like to be optimistic and think that maybe, Haytham did come to enjoy Shay as a friend and protĂ©gĂ©, if only because of a line at the end. When Achilles calls Shay disrespectful, Haytham says jokingly, âYes, weâve been working on that.â That reads to me, (again, completely in a non-ship context), that Haytham knows Shay as well as, if not better than Achilles, and instead of ridiculing and casting him off like the Assassins did, the Templars embraced his flaws and encouraged growth. Drawing a thread to his relationship with Connor later on, perhaps a part of him admires Shayâs strong morals and ability to adapt, and he is proud of everything he has managed to overcome and accomplish thus far. Honestly, itâs just a really nice way to round out the entire literary foil that is Liam/Achilles/Shay/Gist/Haytham.Â
âŠPermission to jump in here and remind everyone of one of the most tragic moments in the game which is where Colonel Monro, with his dying breath, looks Shay in the eyes - having only ever called him Master Cormac - and whispers: âShayâŠâ
[was going to put a gif here but itâs too sad]
If that isnât a display of the deepest intimacy, trust, and everything else I donât have the words to express, then Idk what it is - added to the fact that this is the only time he calls him by his first name AND (as @oldselfshiplady astutely mentioned) that it was very unusual for this time period unless you were close with that person (and dare I say would be even MORE unusual for someone of a senior military standing) thenâŠâŠ All I can say is that for all their faults Ubi really nailed it with that moment. đ
Also, if I may give my two pennies worth on why Haytham calls Lee âCharlesâ from the get go - I feel that this may have been a decision on the part of the writers to denote their difference in rank, as Charles exclusively refers to Haytham as âMaster Kenwayâ for this part of the game. However, as previously mentioned, it doesnât actually make that much sense given how, when you compare this to how Monro treats Shay - always using âMaster Cormacâ as in opposed to his first name, despite not only difference in Templar rank but ffs this manâs a blinkinâ Lieutenant-Colonel in the British military and he still has the courtesy to call Shay âMaster Cormacâ. And I seriously doubt Haytham would actually have that much less decorum than Monro, being brought up as he did. Therefore, I put this discrepancy down to the differences in studios.
Hickey: Oi listen up lads I got a great idea for killing the Assassins
Haytham: Well, come on, then. Letâs hear it.
Hickey: *while posing with an actual rifle and pretending to shoot everyone in the room*
Lee: *kicks down several doors*
Johnson asking Hickey to be more polite and to use more appropriate language around his seniors:
Hickey:
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Hickey: Oi listen up lads I got a great idea for killing the Assassins
Haytham: Well, come on, then. Letâs hear it.
Hickey: *while posing with an actual rifle and pretending to shoot everyone in the room*
Lee: *kicks down several doors*