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Captain America: Civil War (2016), dir. Russo Brothers
Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark in Iron Man (2008)
Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark Avengers: Age of Ultron
MCU Timeline: Iron Man. Part 2 (Back home)
Part 1.
This part is a little out of order because I haven't yet covered the 3 months Tony spent in Afghanistan. But I felt it necessary to first find out when he returned to the States and explain the difference in the calendars of our reality and the MCU.
This is the screen with the Mad Money recording that Pepper was watching the day she changed Tony's reactor. It says May 4, 2008 10 am PDT. It wasn't the day Tony came home, but at least the next day. Or most people assume it's the next day. In fact, Tony returned home on:
May 2, 2008
~12:30 - Tony arrives on Edwards Air Force Base.
~15:30 - Tony announces he is shutting down weapons production at SI (the drive from Edwards AFB to SI HQ is approximately 2.5 hours, add a stop at Burger King. Plus, the journalists needed time to gather at SI).
~20:00 - Tony is finally in his Malibu mansion (it's already dark outside. He spent a few hours at SI HQ and then drove 1.5 hours home). He scans his body and the arc reactor and starts working on a new version.
Calendar issue:
Here you can see the date - Thursday the 16th (2008). In our universe, May 16, 2008 was Friday. It is not the only time in the movie in which the dates and days of the week do not correspond to ours. For the timeline to work properly, we have to use the difference and remember to move the dates back one day (Fri to Thu, Sat to Fri, etc).
Why it was not May 3?
May 2, 2008 - Thursday in the MCU.
May 3, 2008 - Friday.
May 4, 2008 - Saturday.
US Stock market hours: 9:30-4:00 pm EST/6:30-1:30 pm PDT (Mon-Fri, closed on weekends).
Mad Money aired at 6 pm EST from Mon to Fri, with reruns at 4 am EST/1 am PDT on Saturday.
Stock market: Tony gave his press conference at around 3 pm PDT (which is 6 pm EST). The US stock market was already closed. It needed at least another day to react to Tony's announcement and drop SI's points. So, it happened the next day - May 3 (Friday).
Mad Money: Pepper was watching a recording of the new episode of Mad Money when SI stock was already falling (bottom of the screen). The episode couldn't have been recorded the day Tony arrived, and it couldn't have been filmed the day Pepper watched it (it's Saturday 10 am PDT/1 pm EST). This happened in the interim, on May 3, after stock marked dropped SI shares (Mad Money's slot is 6 pm EST). Since May 4th falls on a Saturday in the MCU, Pepper may have been watching the recording of the rerun that aired at 4 am EST (1 am PDT), which she missed because she was sleeping.
Reactor and rest: Tony needed time to build a new reactor. This means getting all the components, designing and manufacturing the thing. He also obviously had time to rest, because he looks much better than on the day of his arrival, and not as if he had not slept all night working.
IRON MAN | deleted scene
love that movie civil war for the way it Nails the clash between people’s external reads on tony vs The Truth
- backstage MIT people ready to kiss tony’s ass like he wants a fanfare and parades in his honor when really he’s looking for random excuses to ditch the adulation and leave through the back door - mrs spencer thinking tony won’t give a shit about her son when in reality her struggle becomes a key factor pushing him to the accords - steve assuming pepper was pregnant, like this guy heads off into the horizon and people assume happiness and then tony’s pretty much like “actually no i am Miserable” in not so many words - “you alright?” “always,” tony answers, fucking literally clutching his own chest after almost non-successfully talking ross out of approaching steve with a killing squad - scott lang like “this is your conscience, we don’t talk a lot these days” when in the beginning of the movie tony literally has an “it helps ease my conscience” line i’m just fuckinG - natasha like “are you incapable of letting go of your ego for one god damn second” literally 1 milisecond before pointing out herself that ross & co practically have tony on a leash and he literally spent the entire movie begging - tony being like “i was wrong” and sam, who presumably barely ever talked to tony responding like “that’s a first” when he clearly doesn’t hold steve to the same “openly admitting i’m wrong” requirements and like lmao tony was actually The First to say “i was wrong” in the movie and like literally his first scene has him standing in front of an audience like “have a live sneak peak of a MOMENT I REGRET”
bonus points for doing that without compromising the characterization of the IM1 guy who came out of the cave ready to make OPEN HONEST AND PUBLIC AMENDS the guy whose first “back from captivity” press conference speech starts with an honest and personal comment about his incomplete relationship with his father, and moves on to an admission of guilt. the guy who went up in front of journalists and said he wasn’t the hero type because of all his character defects, this guy, My Guy, the guy who has a deleted (WHY) line about how reputations stick with you and he was never entirely comfortable with his, My Guy, My Tony Stark, is finally Back, complete with the tragic Struggles of a reputation he can’t free himself from even though he will Fucking tell you In Person, with minimal prompting, that his conscience is Heavy
This is actually a pretty solid analysis of Tony’s character and how others see him. That being said I still can’t get behind him on this because while he may have a conscience and admit that he’s wrong sometimes, I can’t stand the guy because he doesn’t learn anything, and his key motivation is solely to absolve himself of guilt or of taking responsibility for the mistakes he’s owning up to.
It’s like he thinks if he says “Okay it’s my fault I’m sorry” that that makes it better and everyone should stop bullying him about how much of a colossal fuckup he is. The entire conflict in Civil War stems from him trying to shift the burden of The Avengers off onto the U.N. Because if they control the Avengers’ actions I guess the repercussions won’t weigh on his conscience.
Even the altruistic elements of Tony’s personality are motivated by his ego and his pride. His whole mentality that he’s the ONLY one who can save the world and protect the people he cares about etc. He can’t even trust Cap and the rest of the Avengers to you know, be heroes. He has to be a total control freak and assert dominance in the matter and try to force everyone else to play by the rules he decided on.
Not only that, but people seem to try really hard to clear his conscience for him especially in Civil War. After all the bullshit they went through, Steve still writes him a letter being like “Hey Tony, just so you know, no hard feelings man, don’t beat yourself up about all the asshole things you did” and Rhodes is like “No, Tony please don’t feel bad about me being a fucking paraplegic, I took the risk, it was my decision to get involved in this asinine conflict and get shot out of the air at your command.”
Good God look, I’m about six months past the point where I still have patience for any of this, so pardon the shittiness and laziness of this reply
“his key motivation is solely to absolve himself of guilt or of taking responsibility for the mistakes he’s owning up to.” – Uh the Sokovia Accords were devised as repercussion of those mistakes (mistakes shared by several other Avengers btw, including Wanda and Bruce and the whole Lagos crew) and Tony’s literally the first to argue they should yield to the consequences of what they’d done. I could even understand the “he doesn’t take any responsibility” argument if you’re coming out of IM2, 3 or AoU or whatever (which quite frankly sucked sucked with their shallow depictions of how Tony would react to those villains), but along with IM1, CW is just Tony taking responsibility all over the place, *even when others aren’t doing the same.*
“The entire conflict in Civil War stems from him trying to shift the burden of The Avengers off onto the U.N.” – buddy that’s what Steve thinks of the Accords. Tony thinks they need to accept limitations. Tony had an entire speech about how people had died because of the Avengers. Tony even went as far as expressing disapproval for his pre-Afghanistan history, for God’s sake. What was he supposed to do in response to the rules forged by the leaders of 117 foreign nations that had every right to want this superpowered army to be regulated? Should he had flipped the finger at them? That’s what pisses me off, I’d be dealing with this exact same post about how Tony doesn’t deal with blame even if he’d done exactly what Steve was doing.
“His whole mentality that he’s the ONLY one who can save the world and protect the people he cares about etc.” – the other side of that coin is that he literally has nightmares where he’s single-handedly responsible for the fall of planet Earth. God forbid he take some measures to like, alleviate the weight of the guilt he placed on his own shoulders even when it comes to (thus far) hypothetical scenarios. If anything, what he’s reprimanded for – his (fake) confidence and measures taken to “ease his conscience,” such as funding charities and whatnot – are steps toward thinking patterns that are even halfway healthy. I don’t know who else in any MCU franchise, or the real world, has altruistic motivations that are in no way fueled by self-gratification
(The only exception I can find being, ironically enough, 616 Tony, and I wrote a whole post about this – not digging it up btw because I’m mobile but maybe later – about how the Pure Altruism people expect from Tony actually lends itself to moral atrocity because oh holy shit guess what, not even our moral values are strictly altruistic)
Oh, and it’s also worth noting that in that whole group of colossal fuckups, Tony seems to be like. The only one who’s actually making a move toward addressing his own mental health issues
“He has to be a total control freak and assert dominance in the matter and try to force everyone else to play by the rules he decided on.” – But why do people always think Tony got bored one day, grabbed a pencil and wrote the Sokovia Accords in a fit of self-righteous anger. No, buddy, the Accords were THERE, Tony made a decision to abide by it, and doing so put him in a tough situation when half the team decided not to.
Guess he should have sat down and stayed out of it after signing while shoot-on-sight orders were placed on the Avengers, then again, if he’d done that, people would be accusing him of not taking responsibility for his decisions or whatever
(I’m not even gonna SAY anything about the double-standards regarding the way people address Tony’s Responsibility Behaviors ™ versus other Avengers’)
That summary of Steve’s letter is… absolutely wild I’m not even gonna go there. I’m just gonna add a final note here about how it’s h i l a r i o u s that people can like, condemn Tony for his ~ego and pride~ and how he thinks he’s the ONLY ONE responsible for everything, and THEN go ahead and ALSO be mad when Rhodey acknowledges that Tony’s not in charge of his decision-making and isn’t single-handedly responsible for the fact that VISION misfired a shot during a fight that only happened because STEVE AND SAM decided to keep Tony majorly out of the loop regarding the Winter Soldiers and opted for “punching their way” out of a situation when Tony was literally only there to make sure Steve wouldn’t be killed by a single sniper bullet in the official efforts to get to Bucky
also: Rhodey doesn’t blame Tony for his disability because it was Rhodey who made the call for Vision to try and stop Sam. And then Vis got distracted and missed and took Rhodey out accidentally.
Like, I love that you love and want to defend Rhodes, and it would be just if Rhodes needed defending from Tony. But don’t take away 5 movies worth of Rhodey proving himself more than just Tony’s yes man by denying the fact that Rhodey did in fact make a decision by himself without Tony’s input. Rhodes isn’t afraid to tell Tony when he thinks he’s wrong, and I wish people would stop ignoring that to continue the Actual Villain Tony Stark mentality.
also also: I see a hell of a lot of ‘Tony doesn’t learn from his mistakes’ floating around in discourse and don’t get me wrong, its valid in an IM3 vs AoU conversation (I could write novels about the writers of that movie blatantly ignoring all of the independent iron man films but whatever.) But if your talking about any other iron man/avengers movie? Tony Stark very much learns from his past. Civil War is supposed to highlight that. That’s literally the point of his secondary storyline with his parents, and those little slips about Pepper; it shows him at the very least attempting to deal with his shit, both things he’s responsible for and things he isn’t. Him trying to right his wrongs us not the same thing as him trying to “absolve himself of guilt.”
also 3x: Steve? Not exactly the best character to use in a Tony Stark Is Wrong post because that boy (god bless him) is a T R A I N W R E C K. Its so painful to watch people idolize Steve and condemn Tony at the same time because they are so, incredibly similar in so many ways INCLUDING BOTH: 1. the way they deal with their problems and 2. their egos making them feel responsible for other people to the point of being overly controlling
I’ve reblogged this before, but I’m doing it again because the last paragraph of the comment above? 👍👍👍👍
I realized that if I stay off tumblr, and thus don’t encounter certain kinds of Steve fans, I’m okay with Steve. He’s bullheaded and doesn’t consider the long term affect of anything, and in this scenario of CW it’s frustrating to watch. BUT, Steve is human. He’s going to screw up from time to time. People get so caught up in the idea of Perfect Captain is Perfect, that they can’t see where his traits have both good and bad outcomes. And they sure as hell don’t want to see that he and Tony (the one who flaws are easier to see) have things in common, because that means that Steve is messy too.
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About War and Peace
I’m going to tell you a story.
It started with two men. One was War, and another was Peace.
One was living in a peaceful environment. But his purpose in life was to fight. He started his way as a sickly little man, but he was always getting into fights, no matter how big and dangerous was the opponent, and despite the inability to win. He couldn’t stop, because he believed that if he gave up once, he would do it all his life.
A big war started and the man did everything he could to become a soldier and fight there. He lied and violated laws for the sake of his desire. He wasn’t thinking about consequences. He wasn’t thinking how he would endanger his fellow soldiers in fight, by being physically unfit, being unable to keep up with their pace, and refusing to obey orders if he doesn’t like them.
But he got lucky – he met a scientist who made him stronger than any other men. Now he became worthy of war. He got what he wanted – he fought many battles, defeated many powerful enemies, and reached glory as the greatest soldier who ever lived. But close was the end of the war, and peaceful life for our soldier. And in the last battle he saved the world, but despite it was unnecessary for him to give his life, he made a decision to die with the weapon of mass destruction that he destroyed.
Another man all his life lived in a military environment. His father left him a military industrial company to run, his friends were all connected to the armed forces. He was creating weapons and military equipment and was the best in his field. He thought that war – his purpose in life and peace would rob him of his purpose.
One day an old friend he trusted betrayed him. He tried to kill him using the weapons of the man’s own creation. A young soldier died in front of him, with a gesture of peace. But our man got lucky – a scientist saved his life and inspired him to create something better than a weapon. He realized that war was not his true purpose, but rather the purpose of his old friend that betrayed him.
So he made a decision to become a warrior. Not in the armed forces, but in his soul. He stopped selling weapons and created armor, to become strong enough to fight. He defeated the man who betrayed him, and almost gave his life for not letting the man create more unrest in the world. From then on, the man always carried the gesture of peace that the young soldier used before he died.
Time passed. The first man returned to life. Century changed, but not his purpose. He was asked to fight in a war again. So was the second man. They fought side by side against a common enemy and became a team.
In one of the wars they fought together, they met an enemy who showed them their greatest fears. One’s fear was War - death and destruction. His friends died, and he lived. He feared not to be able to save them. Another’s fear was Peace – he saw that war ended and he was called to go home. He was afraid that he will become useless without war, that peace would rob him of his purpose.
The one who feared War tried to find a solution on how to prevent it. He tried to convince the another that it was better to prevent war than to let it happen. But another man was not the right one to help him, because that goal was his own greatest fear. Their paths were separated.
But fate brought them together again to fight their last battle. And one finally gave up War and accepted Peace, and another died for it.
CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR
2016, dir. Joe and Anthony Russo
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