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Love whatever the hell they have going on... season 3-4 carol and daryl you will always be so special to me
I will never forget this video!!♥
Wish they had gone to new mexico
i DON'T need them to kiss i need them to come to the sobering realisation that their souls are merged and no part of them is extricable from the other anymore
Cecilia Martinez, from a poem titled "Spring," featured in A Magnificently Ordinary Romance: Poems
OTP Meme | Day Three: Your favorite kiss You need to know something. You did more for my little girl today than her own daddy ever did in his whole life. I didn’t do anything Rick or Shane wouldn’t have done. I know. You’re every bit as good as them. Every bit.
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Carol and Daryl >>> the rest of the show tbh
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Good day Mr Flanagan. please what does "the rest is confetti" mean to you and in the context it was used in hill house??
Okay, here we go. Buckle up for a long read.
To answer this, I've got to explain a little bit about what was happening and where I was when I sat down to write episode 10 of The Haunting of Hill House.
Hill House was not a fun shoot. The picture above is from very early in production, when I was still chubby and happy.
It was my first foray into television. I was absolutely terrified that I'd mess it up. So I'd opted to direct all of the episodes myself, figuring that - if nothing else - I'd have no one else to blame if it went south.
It was the most grueling professional experience of my career. The shoot was by no means a smooth one, every day was an uphill battle from a budgetary perspective, and between the three giant production entities involved with the production, I spent a lot of time fighting over the creative and logistical elements of the series.
I began losing weight. I was smoking two packs of cigarettes a day.
By the end of the shoot, I had dropped almost 40 lbs.
I was very depressed. Every day was a battle, and for the first time in my career, I wasn't excited to go to work in the morning. We were fighting for basic resources, fighting for the show we wanted, and even fighting amongst ourselves by the end. It was grueling.
We hadn't written all of the scripts when we started production. I believe we had finished through episode 7, but the rest of the scripts had to be finished while we were already shooting.
We'd mapped everything out in the writers room, and I had great support on the other episodes, but I was writing the finale solo. I'd thought I'd be able to juggle it with everything else. I quickly fell behind.
I finally got to the script about halfway through production. I'd work on it between takes at the monitor, and then get home to our tiny rental house in Atlanta, where Kate was waiting with our baby son. (One of the rare bright spots of this shoot came when Kate found out she was pregnant about halfway through production. We even named our daughter Theodora, in honor of her origins.)
I'd typically fall down from exhaustion when I got home, but I had to push through it and work on the script. My weekends were spent shotlisting and prepping for upcoming episodes. We didn't have enough time to stay ahead of prep, so every available day was used for that... I went three months without a single day off at one point.
I'd sit up late staring at the script. I was in a dark, dark place. Overwhelmed, exhausted, and feeling like I lived in an eternal present. Each day bled into the next and it didn't feel like there was an end in sight. That feeling of unreality was heightened because we kept returning to the same sets, same locations, and even the same scenes throughout the 100 shooting-day production. Stepping back into the exact room we had shot in days or weeks or even months ago made the whole thing feel absolutely surreal. Making movies is always an non-linear experience, but this one felt particularly so... it was like the days of our lives were happening to us all out of order.
I remember feeling something like despair creeping into my daily experience on the show. And I remember dwelling on that when I got into the scene work of episode 10.
As I worked through the draft, I recall that despair coloring a lot of what was on the page. My filter was breaking down. There's a monologue at the beginning of the episode where Steven's wife Leigh (played by my dear friend Samantha Sloyan) spews out a torrent of eviscerating insults about Steve's value as a writer. That is just me vomiting onto myself. She was voicing all of my deepest insecurities about myself at the time, and of what I was doing with this series.
She says "Is anything real before you write it, Steve? The things you write about, they're real. Those people are real, their feelings are real, their pain is real - but not to you, is it. Not until you chew it up, digest it, and shit it out onto a piece of paper and even then, it's a pale imitation at best."
This was the mindset I was in for a lot of the shoot. The writing became a reflection of a lot of that turmoil, and I knew who I was referring to in that monologue - I was talking about my family. I was talking about how much of their lives I'd used as building material for this show. I was talking about the fact that I'd lost two loved ones to suicide, and seen what it had done to my mother in particular. And I knew I was using - possibly even exploiting - those people for this series.
There's a lot of despair in this episode. The Red Room, as we conceived it, was a place that would feed upon those emotions. Grief, sadness, loss... those were the real ghosts of our series, and where our characters find themselves at the start of the finale. They're being slowly digested - eaten alive - by those feelings.
So finally, it came time to write Nell's final scene with her siblings. I knew from the outline we'd constructed in the writers room what this was supposed to accomplish - she was supposed to be their salvation. She was supposed to take all of these feelings that we'd been wrestling with and finally provide catharsis... finally say something that would free everyone.
I remember sitting with a blinking cursor for a long time. The Crain siblings had just turned and seen Nellie standing by the door, and suddenly were able to hear her speak. But what should she say? What would I say? What would I want someone to say to me?
What she ultimately says lays bare a lot of what I was thinking about when it comes to grief. It exists outside of linear time, much as I felt I existed at the time. That sense of eternal present, that sense of a nonlinear eternity of moments and memories - it all came out in her speech to her brothers and sisters.
I remember feeling, looking at my insane present and looking back at my past, how strangely overwhelmed I was by memories. That I wasn't experiencing time in a straight line, and hadn't been for a while - for the better part of a year, I'd felt more like I was standing in a whirlwind of moments. "Our moments fall around us like..." Nell said, and I recall sitting back and trying to find the words.
"Rain," for certain, but there was something too uniform about that. The moments of life as I experienced them weren't that orderly, they weren't that small. They didn't fall the same way. Some sailed by, fast and unremarkable, while others lingered in front of me, twisting and stretching. So it was a good word, but not the right word. I left it on the page though.
"Snow" was my next attempt. Better, in that I imagined the snow blowing in the wind, swirling and dancing and feeling more organic. More chaotic. More like life. But for some reason, the word that stuck with me, the word I felt Nell Crain would connect with was...
"Confetti."
And that was because I was thinking not of Victoria Pedretti at this point, but of Violet McGraw.
Violet played Young Nell, and I wondered what she might have said if she experienced time this way. As an adult, Nell was despairing. Nell was overwhelmed. But as a child... there was an innocence to the word. There was a joy to the word.
I imagined moments falling around her, this little girl with the big smile and the wide eyes. Her moments would be colorful. They would be of different shapes and sizes, some falling fast and some falling slow, flipping and turning and dancing in the air, independent of the others. Sparkling, whirling, doing lazy summersaults as they sauntered down to Earth.
I thought of myself, and of the members of my family. I thought of those we'd lost. I realized what I hoped for them, and for us all, in the end... was to look upon that mosaic of experience, that avalanche of days and minutes and moments... and to smile with some of the joy we had as children.
And this, I thought, was something that gave me hope. This gave me a glimpse of some kind of salvation for them. This was also how I hoped my life might seem if I was a ghost - a cascade of color and light and shape and movement, something I could dance in.
So Nell smiled and said... "or confetti."
It stuck with me. The rest of her monologue gets heavy again, and gets to the real point of the show - the point of the whole series, if I'm honest - and that's forgiveness.
I figured the only thing that would let the Crain children out of the Red Room was to be forgiven. I thought of the losses in my own family, and I thought of what I wished for my mother and for my aunts and uncles and cousins and I tried to pour that into her final words.
"I loved you completely, and you loved me the same," she said, "that's all." And this was the point I wanted the most to make. That at the end of our life, if we can say this about each other, the rest doesn't matter. The rest is that rainstorm, or that blizzard, that fell around this one central truth, and maybe built itself in piles around it, to the point we lost sight of it along the way.
And I thought again of that little girl, and almost as an afterthought, wrote "The rest is confetti."
I liked the way it sounded, but I was insecure about the line. I almost took it out, in fact. I remember asking Kate to read the scene and talking about that last line with her. "Is it too cute?" I wondered. She was on the fence. "Depends on how it's acted," she said, and I figured she was right. We could always take it out if it didn't work. The scene could end with "I loved you completely, and you loved me the same. That's all."
Why not shoot it and see what happened.
I turned in the script, we published it quickly so that we could start breaking it down and prepping it. And the next morning I was back on set. I'd deal with episode 10 when it came down the pipe again, sometime in the coming months. We had a lot of shooting to get through before I had to worry about it.
I recall Netflix asking me to cut a lot of that monologue, and I remember them also having questions about the "confetti" line. I pointed out that it didn't cost us any extra to shoot it all, it was only words, and fought to keep the script intact.
Ultimately, they insisted I make a series of cuts on the page. I begrudgingly agreed, but left Nell's speech alone. I made superficial cuts around it, throughout the draft, and even considered changing the font size to fool them into thinking it had gotten shorter (I ultimately was told I wouldn't fool anyone and not to risk starting a war). But Nellie's final goodbye stayed intact.
It must be said - Victoria Pedretti SLAUGHTERED this scene.
By the time we got around to filming it, things had never been worse for the production. There was almost nothing left for a lot of us. Tensions were sky-high, resources had been exhausted completely, and we were all ready to give up.
Filming in the mold-ridden Red Room was depressing, morose, and led to a lot of arguments and unpleasantness. The room itself just felt gross, always, and we were in there for days at a time. The last thing we had to shoot in there was Nellie's goodbye.
Victoria came to set having to push through pages of monologue, and she did so with captivating bravado. I recall being teary-eyed at the monitor watching her work. And when we finally made it to the last line, I watched her deliver it with... a smile. A sincere, innocent, longing, joyful smile. A smile informed by the sadness, grief, and loss of her own situation, of her own life... but a smile that finds forgiveness and grace after all. Pedretti knew how to say the line, and how that word would work.
And as she said it, I knew it would stay in the show.
Over the years, that sentence has become something of a tagline for The Haunting of Hill House. I'm always a bit mystified and touched when I see people approach me with the line on T-shirts, or even tattooed on their bodies.
I started signing it with autographs back in 2020 after enough fans asked me to. Now it's my go-to when I sign anything related to Hill House.
The line, for me, represents a lot of things.
It's about the insane, chaotic, non-linear experience of making that show. It's about trying to find and hold onto joy, even in the grips of despair.
It's about the way the moments of our lives aren't linear, not really, and how we may be unable to understand them as we exist in their flurry. It's about finding hope, innocence and forgiveness in the final reckoning.
And it's about how, outside of our love for each other, the rest is just... well, it's fleeting. It's colorful. It's overwhelming. It's blinding. It's dancing. And, if we look at it right, it's beautiful. But it's also light. It's tinsel. It flits and dances and falls and fades, it's as light as air.
The rest is the stuff that falls around us, and flits away into nothing.
It's the love that stays.
#oh how I adore hill house and just finished watching it for the second time and it was even better than I remembered it and then I discover Mike Flanagan is on tumblr and wrote this incredibly moving description of that line and oh I’m crying now…again…forever…
yeah yeah men and women can be friends and love each other platonically, i am more aware of this than a lot of people, but god i have never wanted a man and woman to kiss more than carol and daryl :(
Frida Kahlo, from a letter to Alejandro Gomez Arias, written in 1927, featured in The Love Letters of Frida Kahlo
The complete destruction of the TWD fanbase must be studied in a lab. I don't think I've EVER watched a show with so little fan engagement as Daryl Dixon. And this is following in the footsteps of a franchise that once dominated the TV landscape. The viewing numbers for this show are abysmal, and before anyone "but it doesn't include streaming"s me, I KNOW the show is a dead horse being propped up by nothing but it being too expensive to cancel before s4 (probably) because NOBODY CARES. Do you know how rare it is to find a piece of media that no one cares about? Do you know what an incredible achievement this is?
There are only 212 fics on Ao3 for DD in total. That's nearly unheard of. 53 of them are Daryl/Reader and probably not really set in DD. Only 42 are Daryl/Carol, a pairing that was once so popular, you literally could not escape a mention/question about it whenever either of the actors were involved. They had MERCH. There are 4 fics with Daryl/Isabelle, his only on-screen kiss in the franchise. I can't find any fics for Carol/Antonio, their much-hyped "it" couple for the last 2 seasons they've tried shoving down our throat at every interview. No one cares about the relationships in that show. No one feels inspired to produce anything. I'm not sure I've ever been in a fandom where this happened. To have the writing be so completely uninspiring, people can't even be arsed to try to fix it... Incredible.
But it's only Ao3, maybe it's just not an audience that would write fics. Fair. But then I look at the official posts from the show/network accounts and they get less engagement than I got on Twitter before I deactivated, and I was NOT a big account with AMC numbers. It's just that NO ONE CARES. I see people posting old Caryl content on Twitter that gets more numbers than official DD promos. And it's not just the social media either! Every official interview I watch on YouTube has virtually no views and maybe 3 comments max. Articles? Forget it, crickets. No engagement whatsoever. People. Don't. Care. If there IS a comment anywhere, it's "when will Daryl and Rick reunite?"
NO ONE CARES ABOUT DD. It's like someone actively tried to make the least watched, least talked about show possible that no one would ever get emotionally invested in, and they've succeeded. And instead of fixing the stuff people have complained about back when some diehards still cared a tiny bit, they doubled down on the stuff no one cares about so now they're truly playing to an empty theater.
And I'm sure they're scratching their heads about why and pointing fingers, and blaming the fans for just not "getting it", but honestly? Respect. It's not easy to make something so incredibly bland, people can't even be arsed to hate it. So uninspiring, it's not even worth fixing. So unengaging, not even the dedicated hate-watchers would touch it. So milquetoast, you can't even get people to have stupid arguments in comment sections. You have created a show that birthed such an unbelievable amount of apathy, I wish there were awards for that that I could give you. You birthed a whole new genre of television. If s4 got cancelled tomorrow, I think it would take me a year to hear about it because no one would even bother mentioning it, and I'm one of five people who's actually watched s3 for some reason. You've made a show that does nothing for no one, and you somehow managed to get a budget for that. I applaud you. May we all fail upwards like that in our lives 🙏
Why S10 of TWD Stands out from the Rest
There are a few reasons, but I want to focus on one in particular. This lady right here 👇
Nobody can (successfully) deny that Carol has had one of the most compelling journeys on television, let alone on TWD. The Grove and No Sanctuary are two of the series' top-rated episodes because of Carol's ability to do whatever was needed in order to save the people she loves. Then there's the dreaded scene where Carol has to watch her daughter step out of the barn as a walker, which everybody and their dog still talks about over a decade later. So yes, Carol is iconic in every sense of the word.
But unfortunately, I can count too many instances where it felt like the writing was doing her a huge disservice by isolating her from the main action. The Gimple era is especially guilty of this. When the governor chased the group out of the prison, Carol wasn't there (because she had been banished for doing exactly what Rick would have done if he hadn't taken a step back from his position). When the lineup happened, Carol wasn't there (because she was questioning her morality in a way that I still cannot find the emotional realism to explain). When the group had to fight the reapers, Carol wasn't there (because ??????). Side note: Yes, I do consider S11 as part of the Gimple era. Anybody with eyes can see that he put his grubby little hands all over it. I assume it's widely known at this point that I don't think of the DD spinoff as canon, but for those who watched S3, same shit, different day, right?
Getting to the point finally, S10 did what was unprecedented for TWD, making Carol the driving force of the entire narrative. By driving force, I mean that she was the main energy behind nearly everything that happened. The escalating conflict with the whisperers? Carol (mis)managing her grief. Negan's escape and subsequent redemption arc? Carol thinking outside the box to get to her enemy. Killing Alpha? Carol's plan working. Daryl's emotional arc? Carol. Destroying the horde? Carol (and Lydia) trying to restore peace.
Some people will always want to focus on how badly Carol "fucked everything up," but those people are blinded by (internalized) misogyny, double standards, or some other bias. They aren't seeing what really matters. If you try to remove Carol from the story in S10, there is no story in S10. Carol is central. Carol has agency. Carol makes big decisions that have a ripple effect on the world around her. Carol gets to make mistakes. Carol gets to grow from those mistakes. Carol gets to save everybody she loves. Carol receives love in return.
In the writing world, we would call her the main protagonist, or, the hero, though I strongly prefer heroine because, yes, let's recognize that she is both heroic and a woman. Let's celebrate that another woman dared to give Carol the same story beats that men get to have (minus the stigma of course) while also allowing her to feel the intensity of all of her emotions.
If there are more stories to come for Carol, they would do well to follow S10's example. No, I'm not saying that she needs more trauma to carry or that she needs to be more "ruthless." What I'm saying is, utilize this iconic character to the fullest, let her be the hero that we all know she is, and let her be there for lead all of the action. Just make her fucking shine. With an actress as talented as Melissa McBride, that should be a no brainer.