”there’s no glory in suffering” and “sometimes the effort is the point” are two ideas that co-exist but god damn if I can ever tell when’s the time for which
I think the distinction is when the suffering doesn't come from the effort itself, but the circumstances under which you're exerting effort.
If you have a writing or drawing challenge, for example, struggling to get it right is part of the process that improves your skills. Trying new techniques, learning how to use new tools, etc IS very much the point.
But if you're keeping yourself up at night and forgoing meals and generally neglecting your wellbeing in order to work on the project, the extra suffering is not necessary and shouldn't be glorified. In most cases, you'd probably be doing better at the thing if you weren't suffering (e.g. sleep deprived, dehydrated, underfed, etc.)
