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[kataradefender1212]

Zuko deserves Katara’s consequential hostility in Book 3, period.

What makes Zuko so deserving of Katara’s prolonged hostility such as death threat , schadenfreude over his firebending loss when Zuko announced Team Avatar that he lost his firebending and jab at his firebending ability when Zuko explained to Katara that his firebending becomes weak by remarking that he is not good as he think he is and lack of gratitude when he saved her from the debris of the Western Air Temple ceiling and refusing to drink to Zuko’s health after Zuko held off Azula and agreed that Zuko does not deserve Team Avatar drinking to his health to be brutally honest is that Zuko did NOT voice his regret for breaking Katara’s trust after he made her believe that he changed for the better, he only voiced his regret for betraying Iroh when he is with Azula towards the end of Crossroads of Destiny and did NOT declare his plan to Ozai that he will apologize to Katara for breaking her trust, only declaring his plan to apologise to Iroh for betraying him. He didn’t say: “I should not break your trust after I made you believe that I have changed for the better back in Ba Sing Se” to Katara during his first attempt to join Team Avatar- the FIRST thing he SHOULD have done during his first attempt to join Team Avatar since he MADE Katara the first person to trust him that he changed for the better . There IS a difference between saying: “I have changed, I am good now.” and “I should not break your trust after I made you believe that I have changed for the better and should not repay your compassionate offer to heal my scar by siding Azula against you back in Ba Sing Se ” .

Even though Toph detected Zuko's sincerity during his first attempt to join Team Avatar via her seismic ability moments after Katara told Team Avatar what he did in Ba Sing Se, disproving Katara's claim that Zuko is untrustworthy and see through her hurt feelings keeping her from thinking clearly, resulting in Katara being slightly remorseful as she thinks about her words and looks towards Aang. Aang adamantly does not want Zuko to join their group, Katara gets on Aang's side and Toph expresses her frustration over the fact they are blinded by their hurt feelings. I still think Zuko deserves to face the consequences of what he did in Ba Sing Se, because Toph's seismic ability REALISTICALLY will NOT automatically erase Katara's grudge towards Zuko and Zuko owed Katara DIRECT apologies for breaking her trust and wrongly repay her compassionate offer to heal his scar after making her believe that he changed for the better even though it is not the first time Toph's ability to see through peoples' psyche as the first time was with Jet.

Moreover, there IS a difference between Zuko’s words: “Listen, I know I didn't explain myself very well yesterday, I've been through a lot in the last few years, and it's been hard. But I'm realizing that I had to go through all those things to learn the truth. I thought I had lost my honor, and that somehow my father could return it to me. But I know now that no one can give you your honor. It's something you earn for yourself, by choosing to do what's right. All I want to do now is play my part in ending this war, and I know my destiny is to help you restore balance to the world” and apologizing to Katara : “I am extremely sorry for breaking your trust after making you believe I changed for the better back in Ba Sing Se and repay your compassionate offer to heal my scar by siding Azula against you back in Ba Sing Se and I am willing to make up for my heinous mistake”. His intervention to stop the Combustion Man’s from killing Aang is NOT enough as he NEEDS to apologize to Katara first for reshaping her current perception of him as dangerously untrustworthy via his morally regressive actions in Ba Sing Se.

Thirdly, there is a difference between his promise to Team Avatar that he will never let Team Avatar down and apologizing to Katara : “I am extremely sorry for breaking your trust after making you believe I changed for the better back in Ba Sing Se and repay your compassionate offer to heal my scar by siding Azula against you back in Ba Sing Se and I am willing to make up for my heinous mistake”. As long as Zuko owed Katara direct apologies for what he did to her in Ba Sing Se , Katara’s mean spiritedness towards Zuko is warranted , not just well deserved as her treatment towards Zuko cause him to be fed up with prolonged hostility towards him in the Southern Raiders episode and confronted Katara why she remained hostile to him and Katara explained to him the exact reason why and her explanation will prompt Zuko to realise not only he betrayed Iroh , he also broke her trust back there then asked her in a NON begrudging tone : “What can I do to make up to you?” 4 episodes after Zuko joined Team Avatar .

Unless he directly apologised to Katara first his heinous actions he committed against her during his first attempt to join Team Avatar and actively tried to make up for what he did to her and her trust yet Katara remained stubbornly hostile to him, then at this hypothetical point, he does not deserve Katara’s stubborn hostility. And the fandom’s sympathy and emotional pain for Zuko will be valid and their criticism directed at Katara for her stubborn hostility towards Zuko in Book 3 will be valid and warranted. Zuko’s acts of teaching Aang firebending, not laying a finger on Aang in the Sun Warriors Civilization, helping Sokka to get her father out of jail, saving Katara from the falling debris of the Western Air Temple and holding Azula off are NOT tied to Zuko’s direct apologies to Katara for his heinous actions against her in Crossroads of Destiny and her trust since he did NOT apologised to her for his said heinous actions against her during his first attempt to join Team Avatar and before he successfully joined Team Avatar in the aftermath of the Combustion Man’s death, in other words, beforehand.

I saw one fan told the members of Avatar the Last Airbender Reddit complained that Katara is unreasonably harsh to Zuko and another fan remarked that she is too harsh to Zuko. Katara is only like that when she asked Zuko to bring her mother back only which is irrelevant to what he did in Ba Sing Se- something to which I cannot deny, her asking Zuko to reconquer Ba Sing Se in the name of the Earth King and threatening Zuko of the consequences of repeating the same mistake of killing Aang and explaining to Zuko why she remained hostile to Zuko which is what he did in Ba Sing Se are reasonable, because her actions are proportionate to what he did in Ba Sing Se.

The only thing that Zuko does not deserve to face is being requested by Katara to bring her mother back only. Such criticism directed at Katara for indirectly blaming Zuko for the loss of her mother is valid and warranted.

Zuko should know better that not only did he betrayed Iroh, he broke Katara’s trust and repaid her compassionate offer to heal his scar by siding Azula against her, period. If Zuko can remember his act of betraying Iroh in Crossroads of Destiny, remember Azula’s act of killing Aang with her lightning ⚡️, EVEN remember the special properties of Katara’s spirit oasis water 💧 she used to offer to heal his scar which lead to Zuko suspecting that Katara resurrecting Aang and led to him to sending the Combustion Man to kill Aang , so can he for his act of breaking Katara’s trust after he MADE her believe that he changed for the better and then broke her trust and wrongfully repaid her compassionate offer to heal his scar. In the words of @avatarfandompolice ‘s rant about the toxic Voltron fandom, fans who bashed Katara for her consequential hostility towards Zuko in Book 3 are the hands-down the most immature, hateful, and unintelligent and worst of all, entitled and morally repugnant fandom for any tv show ever. It is filled to the brim with people pushing the limits of stupidity, failing to show even an inkling of observational skills or emotional intelligence or critical thinking skills . They are so focused on what they want which is Katara unconditionally forgiving Zuko for his moral regression in Ba Sing Se AND owing her apologies for his moral regression in Ba Sing Se that no variation from their vision is tolerated whatsoever. The fandom is a breeding ground for toxic groupthink. The Avatar the Last Airbender fandom was just a platform for them to attach themselves to a viewpoint and call others toxic who didn't share it. The fans are desperate, toxic crybabies who can't display strength in any function of life besides their act of valuing good looks by SHIELDING Zuko from the consequences of his heinous actions he did to Katara and her trust AND owing her direct apologies for his said heinous actions. Or even better, they ARE sick in the head and need professional help right now. Anyone who defends them ARE vile apologists and ARE complicit in shielding Zuko from the consequences of OWING Katara well deserved apologies he committed against her in Crossroads of Destiny prior to the Southern Raiders episode. They too ARE sick in the head and need professional help. They are NO different from Cameron Herrin sympathisers, period. What makes these sympathizes similar to each other is that both of them shield wrongdoers who squandered 2nd chances given by the other parties (Katara in Crossroads of Destiny and local authorities respectively) from the consequences of their wrongdoings (Katara's hostility in Book 3 and Cameron Herrin serving jail time for 24 years). Bashing Katara for being consequently hostile to Zuko in Book 3, complaining that she was mean to Zuko in book 3, remarking that she shouldn't be mean to Zuko in book 3 are NO different from Cameron Herrin sympathizers who signed a petition to get him out of jail.

Huh! When I was a 10 years old kid, my instincts tells me that there is something MISSING from Zuko which are his DIRECT apologies for breaking her trust after he MADE her the FIRST person to change for the better and wrongly repaid her compassionate offer to heal his scar by siding Azula against Katara and is able to distinguish his canonical words and his direct apologies to Katara prior to the Southern Raiders episode and the fact there are young adult fans are against her for being hostile towards Zuko in book 3 on the justification of "zUKo CHAnged aNd KAtara Is MEan to HIm prove my points that they are immature and stupid and lacking critical thinking skills, yes stupid, for young adults like them cannot distinguish his canonical words and his direct apologies to Katara prior to the Southern Raiders episode coming from a kids show and especially the fact they are young adults who ARE supposed to have critical thinking skills! My instincts ALWAYS told me that my stance of Zuko deserving Katara’s hostility in Book 3 is justified all along and those motherfuckers ARE always in the wrong to oppose Katara’s hostility towards Zuko in Book 3 given what actually happened in the show.

[kataradefender1212]

I was right all along. the ATLA fandom IS the WORST OF THE WORST fandom ever.

And no one will ever, ever, EVER convince me otherwise that these MFs are normal.

Imagine shielding Zuko from Katara's consequential hostility after he broke her trust after he made her believed that he changed for the better by bashing her bashing Katara for being consequently hostile to Zuko in Book 3 after what he did in Crossroads of Destiny and wrongfully sympathizing with Zuko when he was explicitly facing the consequence of his act of breaking her trust after making her believe he changed for the better! You got to be fucking kidding me! Sympathizing with Zuko who is facing Katara’s consequential hostility after he broke her trust after he made her believe he changed for the better! Mental illness at its finest. MFs like them need to see a psychiatrist. It’s hierarchical empathy and hostility toward accountability, which Avatar explicitly rejects. Those motherfuckers value comfort of the wrongdoer over justice for the harmed. They are just as fucked up as Cameron Herrin stans

[kataradefender1212]

Sick and tired of those assholes depicting post redemption Zuko wearing a hateful scowl with his fucking arms folded! As if Zuko remains a hatefully static grumpy ass character! How can you assholes convince he has the best character development ever when you constantly depict him scowling you fucking liars!

[avatarfandompolice]

Hi, what do you think of Zuko's characterization in the Ashes of the Academy comic where he smiles more times in a few panels than in the show itself and previous comics? Do you think it's OOC, as some people think, or is Zuko becoming more confident, cheerful, optimistic, and without anger issues due to overcoming the traumas he faced in the old comics?

I’m not enough of a moutbreathing moron to suggest that a character acting a certain way due to their development and change in environment is “OOC”. This is one of the stupidest asks I’ve ever gotten and highlights how completely braindead these ATLA comic critics are.

Was it “OOC” when Iroh stopped promoting the war after his son died? Was it “OOC” when Sokka stopped being sexist after his first encounter with Suki? Was it “OOC” when Mai decided to choose Zuko over Azula? Fuck no. It’s called characters having arcs. It’s called them responding differently to things because of them learning and/or bettering themselves.

You guys critique these comics so much and try to suggest they’re wrong then demand the characters be at the most static, boring, 1-dimensional flanderization of themselves. Ugh.

[avatarfandompolice]

I was the one who asked you that question, I'm sorry if it bothered you. Maybe I didn't express myself well in what I wanted to say, and I think saying that you consider some behavior of the ATLA characters to be OOC is clearly not true because I've seen many of your posts and I know that you firmly support the canon of the series as well as the comics and base your analyses only on canonical material without involving emotions, knowing that it is a narrative created by others which must be accepted as irrefutable facts. And let me tell you, I personally like that. You are one of the few people on Tumblr or in the ATLA fandom who tries to see and analyze the characters as they really are and not as you would like them to be, like most of the fandom does.

So I'll rephrase my question: what do you think motivated the writer of the Ashes of the Academy comic and the creators of the franchise to characterize Zuko's behavior like more cheerful, confident, and even a little mischievous when facing those who oppose the changes he wants to make. Do you think this could be because the previous comics dealt with Zuko's journey toward mental healing, where in each of those comics he sheds the influence of his father and sister? Or do you think the reason could be something else?

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding from my previous question. I chose to ask you because your analyses are the most neutral and closely aligned with the canonical information of Avatar, and I'd like to know your opinion on this. Personally, I really like Zuko's characterization in Ashes of the Academy because it signifies that he is overcoming his traumas and is no longer burdened by his father and sister.

I guess I should explain that my response is more targeted at those who think it’s OOC, not you specifically.

I think it’s pretty clear he’s moved past a lot of the initial struggles of being fire lord and is working towards actually implementing good change. It’s been 3-4 years since the end of the show by Ashes, so he’s had a lot of time to adjust. Let’s not forget too that he was still being primed to be Fire Lord as a child too, so it’s not like he was entirely inexperienced. A big thing he talks about is letting the people he trusts do work so that he doesn’t have to worry about everything, and I think we see that there.

I also like this version of Zuko because we’ve never really seen him be like this as a default. There were glimpses of it in ATLA but not much. I think if he stayed the brooding, angry prince forever with emotional issues, it would get tired. Obviously based on his behavior in Ashes and especially LOK, he didn’t lose all of his awkwardness. It doesn’t feel like a jump though given how much he’s been through but also how much time he’s had to settle. And I think seeing it as OOC is just people wanting to see static characters in different situations over and over and over again, which is boring. I hope they’re ready for him to be more like Ashes Zuko in the movie.

[avatarfandompolice]

Episode #2588 of why no one respects Zutara shippers:

Yep. We’re still doing this. The people that want them together want Zuko to be a deadbeat dad who makes a woman cheat. You know, like they say Aang is.

[kataradefender1212]

They just won’t accept the fact that Katara ends up with Aang. Katara who knows what it’s like to have her trust being betrayed by Jet and Zuko will never under any normal circumstances cheat on Aang who is nice to her.

[kataradefender1212]

Do you know what Zuko and Cameron Herrin have in common? Both get wrongfully sympathized by people when they face the consequences of their heinous actions. Zuko when he face Katara ‘s consequential hostility after he made her believe he changed for the better and then broke her trust and Cameron Herrin when he was sentenced to 24 years in prison for killing a mother and a baby daughter. MFs insinuate that those MFs should get away scot free with their heinous actions.

[kataradefender1212]

People who bash Katara for being consequently hostile to Zuko and sympathise with Zuko after he broke her trust after he made her believe the change for the better in Book 3 are insinuating that Zuko should get away with his heinous actions in Crossroads of Destiny ARE the worst of the worst fandom ever, period. If they get bad karma such as being in Katara’s shoes and the perpetrators get away scot free, I will get the last laugh.

[kataradefender1212]

Take a look at this fucked up shit:

So, its sad for Zuko to face the consequence which is Katara’s well deserved hostility after he made her believe that he changed for the better then turned morally backslide by breaking her trust and the fact this vile comment gets 71 likes goes to show how fucked up the Avatar the Last Airbender fandom is such as having poor media literacy. Seriously, how can you be that stupid? You are the reason why I hate the Avatar the Last Airbender fandom so much, making matters worse by insinuating that Zuko shouldn’t be facing the consequence of his moral regression in Ba Sing Se, Fuck your morally backward sympathy and I wish you will get terrible karma by being in Katara’s shoes such as the perpetrator making you believe that he/she /they change for the better and then turned around and break your trust by morally backsliding and the perpetrator will get away scot free with 0 apologies and I will get the last laugh ! This fandom needs more fandom police! Dickheads like them are NO different from Cameron Herrin supporters who feel wrongfully sad for Cameron Herrin who faced the legal consequences of killing a mother and her baby daughter.

[kataradefender1212]

In regards to my earlier rant about the way those assholes handled Zuko’s behaviour in the Hide and Seek Avatar the Last Airbender The Lost Adventures Comic episode, I am NOT going to pretend that Avatar the Last Airbender franchise has perfect storytelling, you take a look at the post 100 year war ATLA comic, it shows Aang agreeing to Zuko to end Zuko’s life if Zuko were to morally backslide whereby Aang could have just energybent Zuko and throw Zuko in prison like how he did Ozai, staying true to his authentic Air Nomad no killing policy given at this point, Aang already obtained energybending from the Lion Turtle, here in the comic it contradicts how the original animated series represent Aang.

[kataradefender1212]

Every time I see an artist fan artist and official artist alike depicting redeemed Zuko unsmiling and brooding, I felt furious at them and honestly hate them so much. I feel they are lying to me that Zuko has the best character development ever, a half truth (Zuko redeemed himself but still retaining his hatefully negative self) is a lie to me. And yes, it is coming from the same Zuko who expected himself to be happy once he got what he always wanted which is honour restored by his father instead he was angry at himself for not knowing the difference between right and wrong in the Beach episode , by right they should be depicting him happy since he got out of his abusive environment and know the difference between right and wrong which is joining Team Avatar and the fact these assholes made fully redeemed Zuko (yes the same Zuko who happily played with Azula when Ursa received news of Lu Ten’s death in the Zuko Alone episode and reminisced of playing with Azula in the Storm episode ) expressed his hatred towards games in the official The Lost Adventures comic breaks the final straw. No one will ever, ever, ever convince that Zuko is the best character development ever. A half truth of Zuko redeeming himself but still retaining his hatefully negative self is worse than a lie. This is the reason why I am furious with those liars out there.

[kataradefender1212]

Just wanted to offer up a fic that it seems like might be up your alley which is about Katara's right to be angry with Zuko because I agree so much. It's don't tell me how to feel by paintingcranes on ao3, it's just a oneshot, but it's really good.

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[kataradefender1212]

I am going to make a furious rant right now:

I hate the creators so much for making fully redeemed Zuko hate playing games in the Avatar the Last Airbender Lost Adventures comic , like seriously this is the same Zuko who was angry at himself for not knowing the difference between right and wrong in the Beach episode when he got manipulated by his abusive sister Azula into returning back to the Fire 🔥 Nation AND expected himself to be happy once he got always he wanted :his honour restored by his abusive father and got out of his abusive environment and broke free of Azula’s manipulation and KNOW the difference between right and wrong by joining Team Avatar AND surrounded himself with the right people and the same Zuko who used to play with Azula when Ursa received news of Lu Ten’s death AND reminisced himself playing with her in the Book 1 The Storm Episode! Zuko having character development is a lie to me! A half truth (Zuko redeeming himself but still hating games even though he is no longer in an abusive environment) is a lie! This is the final straw ! You call that character development?! He should be happy and don’t mind playing games with the right people! I won’t have mind if this is the pre redeemed version of Zuko who expressed his hatred of playing games with his abusive sister Azula, but this IS fully redeemed Zuko being surrounded with the right people ! It will be appropriate if Zuko were to light up at Sokka’s idea of playing hide and seek to display real character development and makes Zuko’s character arc satisfying ad gives the audience a well deserved emotional payoff.

[saltyaboutfictionalcharacters]

I'm SO fucking sick of people calling Katara a bitch for shit that's objectively not as bad as what they let the male characters off scot fucking free for

Katara talks too much about her mom, but if Zuko never shuts up about honor and his family problems that's totally fine, his rough childhood Matters More because he's a cute emo boy

Katara makes an ableist comment about Toph and immediately gets oneshotted from across the camp, but Aang and Sokka can make ableist comments and jokes all the time that Toph lets slide or even AGREES WITH and it's just fun banter. ABLEISM THAT IS CALLED OUT IN NARRATIVE IS A LOT LESS HARMFUL THAN TREATING A DISABILITY LIKE A FUCKING PUNCHLINE.

Katara shoplifted a waterbending scroll and got jealous of aang's skill and then the gaang was chased by pirates who literally would've been hired to do so by Zuko anyway means she's a selfish idiot, but Aang STEALING A MESSAGE FROM SOKKA AND KATARA'S FATHER, WHO THEY HAVEN'T SEEN IN YEARS, BECAUSE HE IS JEALOUS, isn't even worth mentioning

Katara is a rude awful bitch to poor widdle zuko who betrayed her and has repeatedly gotten Aang hurt or imprisoned and just seriously hurt Toph and HIRED AN ASSASSIN TO KILL THEM ALL. CLEARLY SHE'S JUST BEING HYSTERICAL AND VINDICTIVE, WHY WON'T SHE GET OVER IT

Katara dares to roast her older brother, what a bully >:( ignore the years of sexism and put downs of her gender and bending, sokka only needs to apologize to suki, not his PRIMARY VICTIM or anything. (This in particular is awful and hurtful, as someone who has a brother who talks to and about me like sokka did to Katara. It's so fucked that he won't listen to his sister who literally DOES ALL HIS CHORES AND MAKES ALL HIS FOOD and tells her that she's worth less than him, but he'll act better for a girl he wants to fuck. My brother is the same fucking way.)

Katara is a floozy (as the show so charmingly calls her TWICE, in the fortune teller and in EIP) because she romantically pursued Jet and kissed one (1) boy, only once wholly willingly without circumstantial coercion. Ew, what a slut. Ignore how Aang flirts with girls whenever possible, to the point of refusing to help her with chores or making her feel insecure in their relationship in the comics. Ignore how Sokka kissed Yue after his thing with Suki, then rebounding BACK to Suki, and still tried to flirt with all those ba sing se girls after they reunited. Ignore how Zuko made out with Jin and Mai and unceremoniously dumped both of them and LEFT MAI IN PRISON. Ignore how Iroh hits on women constantly, including one young enough to be his DAUGHTER, ignores her clear disgust and discomfort, and takes advantage of them being drugged to physically touch her and hit on her for a long time without her being able to escape.

And finally, her being such a MEAN, ANGRY BITCH because she snaps at Aang after he compares Kya's brutal murder to Appa getting petnapped and says she SOUNDS LIKE JET, AN ATTEMPTED MASS MURDERER WHO BEAT UP THE ELDERLY AND HORRIBLY BETRAYED HER. Then Sokka BACKS HIM UP and she says something mean about his love for their mom, because obviously JUSTICE!=MASS MURDER and a few episodes ago he openly admitted that Katara literally took his mom's place and cared for their ENTIRE FAMILY at AGE 8. While he was STILL. BEING. MISOGYNISTIC. FOR HALF THEIR LIVES. But yeah obviously Katara should just ~forgive~ the man who burned her mom to death BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO MURDER HER

Just admit that you're all fucking misogynists.

[kataradefender1212]

To the Avatar fandom out there, you are so fucking full of shit! Thinking Zuko should get away scot free of his moral regression in Ba Sing Se you motherfucking assholes! Rot in hell, you motherfuckers! I hope you get terrible karma! Such horrible hateful words will come back to you assholes! I am sick and tired of this fucked up shit! I fucking have none of it! You assholes are spiritually Isnotreal!

[kataradefender1212]

To the Avatar fandom out there, you are so fucking full of shit! Thinking Zuko should get away scot free of his moral regression in Ba Sing Se you motherfucking assholes! Rot in hell, you motherfuckers! I hope you get terrible karma! Such horrible hateful words will come back to you assholes! I am sick and tired of this fucked up shit! I fucking have none of it! You assholes are spiritually Isnotreal!

[kataradefender1212]

To the Avatar fandom out there, you are so fucking full of shit! Thinking Zuko should get away scot free of his moral regression in Ba Sing Se you motherfucking assholes! Rot in hell, you motherfuckers! I hope you get terrible karma! Such horrible hateful words will come back to you assholes! I am sick and tired of this fucked up shit! I fucking have none of it! You assholes are spiritually Isnotreal!