"We need more complex characters."
Ya'll couldn't even handle them.
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"We need more complex characters."
Ya'll couldn't even handle them.
If you’re up to date with the ATLA shipping discourse on Twitter, you’ll see what I mean when I say that seriously devoting time to anti-shipping is corrosive to the soul. That sounds really dramatic, but when I see people hoisting themselves up onto the highest horse to tout their progressive politics by way of shipping discourse, it’s all I can think of.
Essentially, a particularly popular Zutara anti account made some extremely distasteful, edgy and racist jokes in service of disparaging the ship, and is now being turned on by their followers who are busy fretting over the optics this incident created for their corner of the fandom. Colour me shocked, lol. I need people to understand that this is not just some one-off incident, but is the natural consequence of the culture this kind of fandom behaviour creates.
Circles that actively encourage bullying and implicitly operate under the “shipping = activism” mentality will always succumb to this phenomenon. Their reasons for attacking other groups become more far-fetched and exaggerated to accommodate their stretching justifications for why doing so is the morally correct thing to do. This leads to edgier jokes, and bolder behaviour until they finally go too far and reveal their hand. Suddenly, their gleeful followers are hit with the realization that continuing to follow such a person is a bad look for them, and they need to distance themselves from the behaviour they once cheered on.
a dead horse hates to see me coming but the atla fandom is really pissing me off with their takes about zuko because it's always about how he has one of the best redemption arcs but the second katara is in the picture, y'all start playing connect to the real world without taking a second thought on how those in the real world would react to your words
This might be a hot take but I think that when antis say people only ship zutara because they think the characters are attractive/ look good together it's mildly misogynistic. Because it's clearly just wrong. Yes we have pretty fanart but we have a lot of meta as well (I've never known another fandom more obsessed with parallels) but beyond that it's a way to dismiss a primarily female fandom as shallow or obsessed with looks. It's this weird shaming of female desire as something inherently wrong or bad simply because it's done by a woman. But when male kataangers sexualize Katara it's somehow completely okay because they are men and "look at Aang's pretty wife". I've also seen a lot of kataangers who have been in the fandom for a long time shaming new (primarily female) fans for joining their fandom because Aang is attractive in the new movie. I would argue that the new surge of kataang fans is probably more due to people liking their dynamic in the movie than Aang's glow up, and even if it is because Aang is more conventionally attractive in the movie, who cares??? Why can't these women just ship what they want to???
Beyond that, when we look at the babysitter-gets-the-girl trope that is kataang, saying that zutara is only motivated by looks/ outward appearance is kind of a way to say that Katara as a character would somehow be shallow for falling for a guy that is widely considered more conventionally attractive than her canon love interest (at least in the og show). I think this topic is tricky because obviously Katara gives no canon indication that she is any way attracted to Zuko (besides maybe her reaction to him sitting next to her at the ember island play, which could be read that way but probably isn't intentional) but there's this weird implication throughout the fandom that Katara would be shallow if she liked Zuko that I think is very strange. Zutarians are always shamed for bringing up that there is no way a fourteen-year-old girl irl would go for a bald twelve-year-old, but this really unrealistic trope is acceptable in media because kataang is centered around the male gaze and the fantasy of the pretty older girl falling for the younger, less conventionally attractive guy. It all boils down to the misogynistic idea that women and girls are somehow superficial and mean for wanting partners that they find attractive. Girls should actually be allowed to find their partners attractive and anyone who thinks that is somehow shallow or gross is a misogynist.
Sick and tired of those assholes depicting post redemption Zuko wearing a hateful scowl with his fucking arms folded! As if Zuko remains a hatefully static grumpy ass character! How can you assholes convince he has the best character development ever when you constantly depict him scowling you fucking liars!
i don't often talk about atla by itself here unless i'm comparing it to spop, but there's something i've been meaning to talk about.
i hate how the fandom reduced Toph to “chaotic murder child” when she's clearly so much more than that.
the thing that especially pisses me off is when fans act like Toph is reckless and stupid, when her WHOLE DEAL is that she's extremely observant and patient when it comes to fighting.
this is what set her apart from other earthbenders, she doesn't just use brute strength to win fights. she concentrates on the sound and vibrations, and she waits for the perfect moment to strike. this was the main reason WHY Toph was one of the best earthbenders.
and the fandom acknowledges that she's the best, but somehow doesn't seem to realize WHY she's the best, when it was practically spelled out for us. Toph isn't the best because she's super strong or muscular, she's the best because she crafted her own form of earthbending that utilizes patience and attention to detail. how do people not understand this?
"Atla fandom is soooo feminist" y'all cant even acknowledge katara's gendered labor (these tags you screenshoted... *sigh*)
This post turned out to be a lot longer than intended so for anyone who wants context, here’s the original post anon is referring to.
Yeah the problem is a lot of the atla fandom isn’t feminist and many actively and proudly deny being feminist. One of the ways anti Zutarians will make fun of Zutarians is by calling it a “feminist ship” derogatorily.
They’ll be all like “oh you think your ship is so much better just because it’s feminist”. Which like.. if that’s how you’re phrasing it, then yeah, it is better. I’ve never said one ship is better than the other but if you’re actively saying/implying that what you ship doesn’t support women’s autonomy then I’m going to believe point blank that your ship isn’t good lol.
And I hate to say it but so many kat@angers clearly don’t support women’s autonomy because they repeatedly excuse Aang’s actions towards Katara during EIP. That’s not very hashtag-feminist. In fact, some might even say it’s very hashtag-misogynist.
Because how can you see a woman- sorry, girl very clearly state that she is confused, not ready to be in a relationship, get kissed by a boy and instead of aknowledge that what the boy did was wrong, immediately jump to defend him, completely disregarding the girls feelings in the process- much like what the boy did.
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And as feminist as atla the show is at its surface, it does a lot of telling not showing feminism. And a lot more showing not telling misogyny.
What am I talking about, you ask? Well the most obvious example of this is clearly Katara. Because yes, they tell us that Katara wants to fight- that she wants to go against her gendered norms of being a woman and work on the battlefield. But atla shows us her following the maternal role in her friendgroup. She spends more time being a maternal figure than fighting. She spends more time cooking and cleaning and mending clothes and babysitting than actually fighting. Which like, fine, yeah, they spend more time on the road than fighting, of course she’s probably going to spend more time doing this, but none of the boys help.
They tell us that the boys might sometimes help, but they only ever show us Katara doing the work.
The narrative literally shows us that women are incomplete without a love interest, especially in LoK. It’s actually stupid how much of LoK is about the girls getting a boyfriend because god forbid both of them are happily single.
And if you take a closer look at atla and lok, there isn’t a single happy widow in the stories. Every time a widow is brought up, they’re always depressed and sad and honestly look like they want to die. But oh, a widower will do just fine! He’s actually better than ever because he doesn’t have a woman nagging him all the time and demanding things of him and always talking and being a pain in the ass. Woah who said that?
But you know what, at the end of the day, atla was created by two men. Why should I be surprised?
The feminism displayed in atla is warped, and it’s what makes the fandom so tiring to deal with. Because you’ll have these “feminist men” who only know the feminism that atla and lok shows them. And the main message of those is just “y’know, sometimes, and hear me out on this, I know it’s crazy, girls can fight *cue applause* I know, I know, groundbreaking stuff here. And another thing, actually. Girls… can sometimes, if properly justified, get mad *cue louder applause*. And last thing- last thing- girls… can do all that while still being a proper lady and doing your laundry, making you food, sewing your clothes etc wait what? *cue loudest applause*.
And I know some people might find this post and be all like “oh but Toph yadda yadda yadda” Toph literally becomes a wife in LoK, bears children, and dips. They literally make her “fulfill her role as a woman” before throwing her in a swamp where no one can see the mess of a woman she is.
And in atla, they turn her romantic interest in Sokka into a joke. Because a girl having a crush on a guy who’s taken is just so funny and embarrassing for her. And her trying to bond with Zuko is also turned into a joke. She isn’t a “proper lady” so they don’t give her the time of day to get relationships with the male characters that “proper lady’s” get. And this is especially seen in LoK because we don’t even know who the father of her children is. She doesn’t get to have a substantial relationship because she can’t provide for a man.
Anyways that’s my rant. Thanks for coming to my ted talk or whatever.
im so fucking happy that zutaranti is finally getting what she deserves after months of rabid behavior. i hope her ass gets suspended from twitter too. she laments to her little friends about how boring zutaras are on tumblr because they rightfully put her in her place and didn’t enable her bitchass behavior. “twitter is the grownup app” my ass. girl you’re 15 y.o maximum with how much of a edgelord you’re trying to be.
she shits her pants and throws her most ultimate buzzword “you’re racist!!!😡🤬” when someone calls aang bald, which he is, but then does a complete 180 and makes jokes about fucking KKK just because she likes to feel superior about a FICTIONAL SHIP. i’ve had her blocked on twt for a while because i was tired of seeing of her obnoxious tweets all the time but this shit is genuinely disgusting and even her fellow friends, who’d coddled her to hell and encouraged her to act entitled and to harass other people, are now disgusted by her. now she gives a half assed ukulele style “apology” AND tries to shift the blame to other people. i think her friend told her to use the tags zuKKKo and some shit just to “make the zutaras mad” and he’s equally as racist and vile. but now she’s moving as she’s the victim who’s getting bullied for no reason and was forced to make a joke about the real pain of real black people. she’s narcissistic and obsessive and a garbage overall.
“b-but i didn’t know!!! 😭” stfu then don’t joke about serious matters if you’re not sure what they mean. i’m not that much “familiar with american politics” as she put either, but even i know what the fuck is KKK. no one buys her fake ass “apologies” and absolutely nobody believes her self-made pity party anyways lmfao she should just delete her account already and go outside for the first time after all the stalking and harassing she’s done for a long time. it’s for the better.