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naruto / sasuke & minato / kushina parallels
sasuke crying bc of naruto
saori crying bc of mario
kushina crying bc of minato
Why does your love hurt so much? Don't know why…
I listened to this song all day and eventually it made me scribble stuff
How it started
• Vote1
一流の忍同士なら... 拳を一度 ど交えただけで互いの心の内が読めちまう
ichiryū no nin dōshi nara ...ken o ichido do majieta dake de tagai no kokoro no uchi ga yomechimau
When two shinobi are of a high enough level...they can read each other's hearts, simply by an exchange of fists...even without saying anything.
I think it refers to both "what you really think in your heart-> (thoughts)" and "what you really feel in your heart ->(feelings)". Because of "読めちまう," it seems to refer to "the thoughts." However, we cannot exclude the slight possibility of it referring to "heart" or "feelings."
互いの心 -> Each other's heart
お前には本当の心の内が読めたか? このオレの!
omae ni wa hontō no kokoro no uchi ga yometa ka ? Kono ore no yo!
Were you really able to read what was inside this heart of mine (my true feelings/thoughts)?
because of the verb "読めた", the "心" in this sentence seems to refer to "mind/thoughts." "心の内" is a common phrase that expresses "what is in one's mind" or "someone's thoughts." So it refers to one's true feelings or what one really wants to say, and how one thinks.
• 5Kage
サスケェ...お前もオレの本当の心の内が読めたかよ.... このオレのよ
Sasukee ... omae mo ore no hontō no kokoro no uchi ga yometa ka yo .... kono ore no yo
Sasukee... were you really able to read what was inside my heart (my true feelings/thoughts)?
In the old times, people thought that their mind "is" in their chest. Even in modern times, Japanese people say "Put your hand on your chest and think carefully." Calm down and think about your actions. Or reflect on them. it’s a gentle reminder to engage in self-reflection and to approach a situation with sincerity and thoughtfulness. When someone is faced with a tough choice, you might say this to encourage them to think about what they truly want or believe.
• Vote2
大声で わめくなオレ 達は もう昔ここで戦った時とは違う
ōgoe de wameku na oretachi wa mō mukashi koko de tatakatta toki to wa chigau
Don't scream out so loudly...It's already different from when we fought here long ago.
お前の想いは...分かっているお前も...そうだろうナルト
omae no omoi wa... wakatteiru omae mo ...sō darou Naruto
I understand your feelings/thoughts. So you also (understand mine)... Naruto
◆ 想い means feelings and thoughts. when Japanese people use 想い, it’s more about the feelings of the heart. Emotional feeling. 想う…this is used as something romantic feeling. girls usually use this kanji to express their feeling in love. When Japanese people think about their girlfriend or boyfriend, they sometimes use 想う,想い etc... 想う is often used to express deeper thoughts or emotions felt strongly in the heart. It is frequently used when talking about emotions like love, nostalgia, or strong desires, and is often seen in poetic or literary contexts. “想い” (omoi) is the noun form of “想 う” (omou). When using "想い" instead of "思い," it more likely to refer to "feeling." If it refers to "feeling," it can be rephrased as "heart."
So...... 想い is a noun that conveys deep feelings, emotions, or thoughts, often with a strong emotional or sentimental nuance. It can refer to feelings of love, longing, hope, sorrow, or deep contemplation. It have deeply sentimental undertones to it.
eg:
• (愛情をよせる相手への)想いが募る。
aijō o yoseru aite e no omoi ga tsunoru.
His feelings (for the one he loves) grew stronger.
• この歌詞には、作詞者の母への想いが込められている。
kono kashi ni wa, sakushisha no haha e no omoi ga komerareteiru.
These lyrics are filled with the songwriter’s feelings for her mother.
• 彼の彼女への想いは、揺るぎないものでした。
kare no kanojo e no omoi wa, yuruginai mono deshita.
His feelings for her were unwavering.
想う = think/remember/remind something or someone with more emotional feelings....
e. g: 帰れない遠い故郷を想い、涙を流す。
kaerenai tōi kokyō o omoi, namida o nagasu.
Thinking of his faraway, unreachable hometown, he shed tears.
◆ そうだろう (soudarou) : 1. (Statement) That's right; that's what it looks like; it looks like it; (I) think so; so it seems 2. (Question) Is it not so?; Isn't that right?; Have you not?
それ説明しろって言われてもオレも正直よく分かんねェーよそんなの…
sore setsumei shiro tte iwarete mo ore mo shōjiki yoku wakanne yo sonna no…
Even if you ask me to explain it.... I honestly don't properly understand... that kind of thing...
ただお前のそーゆー背負ってゴチャゴチャしてるとこ見てっと・・なんでか・・
tada omae no so you seotte gochagocha shiteru toko mite tto... nande ka...
It's just that.... When I see you carrying burden on your back... getting all messed up....for some reason...
・・・オレが・・・痛てーんだ
...ore ga... Itate nda
...I'm.... hurting... / It... hurts me...
すっげー痛くてとてもじゃねーけどそのままほっとけねーん だってばよ!
sugge itakute... totemo janē kedo sonomama hottokenē n dattebayo!
It exceedingly painful. But not just as awfully...as it is now...I can't just leave you alone!
だから... お前の苦しむ姿を見る度...そう... オレも---
dakara... omae no kurushimu sugata o miru tabi ... sō... ore mo...
That's why... Every time I saw you appearing to be suffering... that's right.. I, too...
オレが痛くなったんだ
ore ga itaku natta nda
(the reason is that) I became pained.
お前は 決してオレを切らず
Omae wa kesshite ore wo kirazu
You never tried to cut me off.
ずっとオレの心に近づいて来てくれた
zutto ore no kokoro ni chikadzuite kitekureta
(instead) this whole time you came closer to my heart.
How it ended:
いがみ合ってたちっぽけなオレたちが
igamiatteta chippokena oretachi ga
We used to quarrel over petty things...
今は互いの心を痛み合うことができる
ima wa tagai no kokoro wo itamiau koto ga dekiru
and now, our hearts can feel each other's pain.
Sasuke used the same phrase in vote 1, "互いの心 -> each other's heart". He is very dramatic, poetic, and sincerely deep with these words.
…no words left
"The moon is beautiful, isn't it?"
It is used to confess to someone you like while under the moon. This phrase is a more poetic way of saying 'I love you'. [it's also an indirect way of saying "I love you"] Japanese itself is a very "indirect" language. You don't have to admit things directly because that's impolite or rude. Why I say that is bcz, Kishi place them under the full moon to share their feelings indirectly and also directly. Japanese people prefer indirect ways of expressing their feelings and emotions. A relationship starts when people tell each other their feelings. Expressing your feelings through words has not always been seen as a natural thing. People express their love and affection through their actions. [Although the main ways of expressing love in Japanese culture differ from Western culture]
What does "friend" mean to you??
[Notice how Sasuke averts his eyes from Naruto (as if he's shy or nervous to get a confession from him) while asking 'what does friend mean to him'?]
Raw (Naruto): 友達だからだ
Romaji: tomodachi... dakarada
Literal: because we're friends
Raw (Sasuke): それはかつて聞いた... お前にとってのそれは・・・ いったい何なんだ?
Romaji: sore wa katsute kīta ... omae nitotte no sore wa ・・・ ittai nanina nda?
Literal: I heard that before... but what the heck does that mean to you?
[As Naruto continues to give the same 'we're friends' response, he becomes visibly angry, clearly displeased with the answer]
Raw: それ説明しろって言われてもオレも正直よく分かんねェーよそんなの…
Romaji: sore setsumei shiro tte iwarete mo ore mo shōjiki yoku wakanne yo sonna no …
Literal: Even if you ask me to explain it.... I honestly don't properly understand... that kind of thing...
Raw: ただお前のそーゆー背負ってゴチャゴチャしてるとこ見てっと・・なんでか・・
Romaji: tada omae no so you seotte gochagocha shiteru toko mite tto... nande ka ...
Literal: It's just that.... When I see you carrying burden on your back... getting all messed up.... for some reason...
Raw: ・・・オレが・・・痛てーんだ
Romaji: ...ore ga... Itate nda
Literal: ...I'm.... hurting...
Raw: すっげー痛くてとてもじゃねーけどそのままほっとけねーん だってばよ!
Romaji: sugge itakute... totemo janē kedo sonomama hottokenē n dattebayo !
Literal: It exceedingly painful. But not just as awfully...as it is now...I can't just leave you alone!
The word Naruto using was 痛く(itaku) meaning- exceedingly or extremely pain. It's not just 'Ouch! It hurts!' kind of pain. It means HE IS IN "EXTREME PAIN". The magnitude and intensity of that 'pain' is so overwhelming that it affects your body and mind.
What was the reason for Naruto & Sasuke's pain to be more emotional??
N. B. When Naruto says that he understands the pain of Gaara's loneliness and Gaara says that he feels pain in his heart... the word used for pain in both cases is 「痛い」 (itai). 「痛く」 (itaku) is a similar word, but with a more intense and deeper meaning.
Because of those words Naruto says to Sasuke, his face feels a mixture of emotions: touched, or surprised. Sasuke's expression here is probably one of the most emotional expressions you have ever seen. This made him confess his feelings for Naruto (And It was hella poetic (༎ຶ⌑༎ຶ)
In Sasuke's monologue his words are very deep and intense (the choice of Kanjis are complicated). It is also way too direct and carries a lot of intimacy.
Raw: そしてなぜだか安心したんだ
Romaji: soshite nazeda ka anshin shita nda
Literal: And I don't know why, somehow.... I felt relieved.
Raw: だがそれは...同時に弱さだと思った
Romaji: daga sore wa ... dōjini yowa sada to omotta
Literal: But... at the same time... I thought It was a weakness.
Raw: だから・・お前の苦しむ姿を見る度・・そう・・・オレも---
Romaji: dakara ... omae no kurushimu sugata o miru tabi ... sō... ore mo...
Literal: that's why. . . Every time I see you appearing to be suffering. . . that's right I, too...
Raw: オレが 痛くなったんだ
Romaji: ore ga itaku natta nda
Literal: I became pained.
Sasuke also using the same word 『痛く』 and both of them were in such intense pain that words couldn't explain how much it was. It really gives- "If you truly love someone you can feel every joy, sadness and pain of the other as if they were your own". Once you get that, it's easy to understand his reaction to Naruto saying he felt his pain. Sasuke reacted that way because he realized his love was reciprocated. That this feeling of 'friendship' that Naruto was going on about was the same thing that Sasuke had been feeling all this time and it was never friendship. It was more than that. And It was love.
Swear words & insults
(Naruto & Sasuke only)
1. くそ (kuso) = shit/damn
Kuso is basically means 'Shit' and you can use it for 'damn'. You can use it when you are losing or when something unpleasant happens. Kuso is a very versatile word. kuso is commonly used as a swear word+ or exclamation of frustration, comparable to “shit!”
You can say kuso in many ways like: くそ! (Kuso) /くそー! (Kusoo) / くっそー! (Kussoo) / くっそオー! (Kussoooo) = damn!
2. クソヤロー (kusoyarou) = fucking/stupid bastard; son of a bitch; shit guy
ヤロー means son of a bitch/bastard. It usually used towards men. Kusoyarou is a harsh word than bakayarou.
Other words used by Naruto in the panel:
このクソ (kono Kuso) = This shit / (you) piece of shit
うんこ (unko) means poop or shit. It consider a more childish way of saying " Poop".
'no yarou' uses after somebody's name. Name + no yarou. サスケのヤロー (Sasuke no yarou) = Sasuke, you bastard.
アロエヤロー (aroe + yarou = Aloe bastard)
バカヤロー (baka yarou) = Fucking/stupid bastard; son of a bitch; Idiot guy; dumbass
あのヤロー (ano yarou) = That bastard; That son of a bitch
3. クソ喰らえ (kuso kurae) = fuck you! ; Eat shit!
クソ (kuso) means "shit". 食らえ (kurae) means "eat this!" or "take this!"
4. バカ (baka) & あほ (aho)
「バカ」 「ばか」 「馬鹿」 (baka) = stupid or Idiot. Baka is often written in katakana to emphasize the word. Katakana can be sometimes used like capital letters. Baka more common in the Kanto region eg: Tokyo, Kanagawa, Saitama, chiba, Gunma etc.
「あぼ」 「アホ」 「 阿保」 (aho) = stupid / idiot / silly. Aho is often written in katakana. The kanji one is the least common style. Aho is more common in the kansai region eg: Osaka, Kyoto, Nara, Wakayama, Hyogo etc.
5. 子ども (Kodomo) = Child
People use kodomo to say 'you are a child' or 'childish'. You're still a child, huh?...Naruto!
6. カス (kasu) = (you) piece of shit/Scum
カスやろう (kasu-yarou) = scumbag; fucking/stupid bastard; son of a bitch
Kasu is harsher and worse than kuso (yarou) or bakka (yarou)
7. ガキ (Gaki) = Brat
この ガキィ(Kono Gakī) = This/You brat!
Gaki refers to a child. It uses when a child is annoying or it uses as a negative sense to refer to someone who is childish. It is a bad/vulgar slang.
If you add kuso in Gaki :
クソガキ (kuso gaki) = shitty brat; little shit; bastard
8. ちくしょう (chikushou) = Damn it!
Chikushou uses when something bad happens or when you are upset.
everyone should now how embarrassing naruto official account on twitter is.
using moment where Sasuke clearly looks at Naruto as SS is a CRIME. they put Sakura onto Naruto’s place🤡☠️ he clearly looks at the LEFT where Naruto sits.
how anyone can be that dumb? just bc ss stans didn’t read manga doesn’t mean everyone else too.
500k followers btw. spreading false agenda and lies for big audience. ew.
I think… about what I think what I really think what I think about when I know when I don't know, when I am silent when you don't know what I think about what you think you know although you don't know
NaruSasu just playing a fun game. This is certainly testing the limits right but uhhh it’s completely artistic only!! I swear…
silly sasuke and naruto from manga 🫶
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I wanna talk about something I have mentioned a couple times. Sasuke is a character that by various other characters and by Kishimoto is called by various different Japanese words that imply attractiveness or something preferable, such as beautiful, good-looking, sexy/hot, cool, even cute and pure. No other character has them called this many words as Sasuke. Kishi clearly wrote Sasuke as someone really desirable, to the point some people see traits of how some female characters are often written. It is due to homoeroticism and Kishi’s own bias towards Sasuke.
Let’s first look at volume 38 which I have always found interesting. It is the volume where Sasuke finally properly comes back to the story and starts to move the plot forward. First we have the cover that people have said looks romantic, like a pair of star-crossed lovers, in which Sasuke is on the front with his shirt open. But that is not all. In the same volume in a matter of few pages we see Sasuke in questionable positions with three different male characters. So Kishimoto just happened to draw Sasuke in these odd positions in a matter of a few days. What is the reason? The reason is simply to imply homoeroticism and Sasuke being desirable in a male-male interaction. It is not even subtle.
Of course, Kishi doesn’t forget to drop an implication of Naruto desiring Sasuke as well in the very same volume, despite the two not interacting.
Nor Sasuke’s blunt disinterest in women.
Another thing is Sasuke tends to lose his clothes in his fights, is it fanservice or is it self service from Kishimoto? When Kishi talked about designing Sasuke and Sai, he used “kakkoii” for Sasuke’s open shirt and Sai’s open stomach. So looks like kakkoii is his G-rated word for sexy.
Thank you Karin. It is funny how Kishi sometimes has to make a character say something out loud to make sure people got what he was doing.
With Orochimaru it’s most obvious. There’s obvious sexual subtext to Oro’s pursuit of Sasuke’s body.
Tobito isn’t much better. Why are the villains around Sasuke like this?
Or even Kabuto. Kabuto kept trolling Naruto for being obsessed with Sasuke and then he does this. Telling Sasuke he wants him to stay by his side (I didn’t bother to look for the panel but it’s when Sasuke and Itachi fight him) and then this… obvious innuendo with his… thing. Even Orochimaru has to make an ironic comment about it like seriously Kishi? You just couldn’t help yourself with that Oro panel?
Do you understand now what I mean? Kishi does this weird stuff with Sasuke all the time. Oh he’s so sensitive and beautiful and pure I must have him, he’s mine.
And here’s a bit of mythology Kishimoto used. During the confrontation between Orochimaru, Itachi and Sasuke Kishimoto used the legend of Kushinada-hime as an influence. Kushinada-hime was the youngest of the eight daughters of Ashinazuchi and Tenazuchi. Kushinada-hime was to be offered as a sacrifice to the eight-headed serpent Yamata-no-Orochi who had a sword inside of him, and who had already devoured seven beautiful maidens, but she was saved by Susanoo, who defeated Yamato-no-Orochi with the Totsuka Sword.
The Eight-headed Serpent is obviously Orochimaru in the manga. His eight branches technique and the sword inside of him are clear references to the mythology
The Totsuka Sword is wielded by Itachi’s Susanoo in the manga and it is what defeats Orochi. Just like in the mythology.
So who is the princess/goddess/maiden that needs to be saved from Yamata-no-Orochi? Well it is our Sasuke of course. Is it any wonder why people think Sasuke is heroine when Kishimoto writes him like this? He just wants to stress how desirable Sasuke is, but that at the end of the day, he’s Naruto’s…
(Note: I remember a manga Ranma½ also featured Yamata-no-Orochi, but since it was a comedy manga it was a perverted snake who only liked devouring pretty girls.)
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I mentioned earlier Kishimoto using body language used in Japanese theatre, so I gathered some pictures to show what I mean.
I have to mention Naruto’s master Jiraiya, whose design, antics and speech are all based on Kabuki. Jiraiya’s rough, broad and bombastic way of speech and body language is a style used in kabuki for masculine, heroic characters. These type of characters take a lot of space and use flamboyant and exaggerated, even aggressive body language.
I have seen a claim that Naruto is the “opposite of traditionally masculine” because he’s flamboyant while Sasuke is traditionally masculine. Sorry but that’s not what Kishimoto was going for:
He draws Naruto in a similar manner to Jiraiya whenever he wants to bring “Kabuki” into Naruto’s character. Notice the crude facial expressions, the face paint and the same, reoccuring hand move.
Jiraiya and Naruto’s sage mode “makeup” is also a nod to the exaggerated face paint used by these hero characters in Kabuki plays. Which is why it makes perfect sense Naruto is wearing the intimidating “hero makeup” when arriving as a hero to save everyone.
So what about Sasuke? Sasuke’s look is more soft, fluid and not exaggerated (including facial expressions). I don’t bother with too many individual pictures so that this doesn’t become too long but Kishimoto spends time portraying Sasuke as poised and graceful in comparison to Naruto’s brash and exaggerated appearance.
Here as well you can see Naruto’s body language being the same type of brash and exaggerated, taking a lot of space, while Sasuke is calm and beautiful and expressionless. . Sasuke is the yin to Naruto’s yang.
But nowhere is Kishimoto’s intention more evident than in this illustration he drew in 2018. Here they are complete opposites. Sasuke’s stance is graceful and closed, his back is straighter and his shoulders are down. Naruto’s is more assertive and open (arrogant). Sasuke is delicate looking, feminine (has some makeup), his build is slightly smaller than Naruto’s (look at the wrists). Sasuke uses the back of his hand to hold back the sleeve, unlike Naruto. Sasuke’s face is smaller and more slender than Naruto’s while Naruto’s features are squarer and not polished. Even the patterns and colors of the kimonos follow. Sasuke’s blue and white symbolise calmness and passivity, Naruto’s colors and patterns symbolise aggression and war (notice the lighting and thunder clouds). The sheer attention to detail!
I don’t think this illustration is much talked in western spaces (?) but in jpn fandom this was definitely noticed and there was some talk about Sasuke’s “feminine aura” when this was released, and that Kishimoto always draws him so beautiful. The contrast between the two of them is interesting, and in my honest opinion ignoring Sasuke’s traditional beauty and grace, as well as Naruto’s brashness, is missing a part of their characters and their relationship.