One thing I hope for when Alastor (and Roo) is defeated is that he doesn't get killed but losses all his powers with no way of getting it back as sinners know better to trust him and that he ends up being his own worst enemy because of his own ego and world views which has caused him to betray anyone that actually would consider him friend and whatever trust they might've had on him and even Vox is done with him.
everyone has basically grown for the better with Alastor being left in the dust because of his own arrogance. basically if Homelander was left alive after losing his powers.
what is vox gonna do once Vespera starts wanting independence of her own and not wanting to be monitored 24/7 (like basically growing up and wanting freedom)
She'll do just that, escaping the VTower.
Vox, to put it mildly, will be very displeased. In any case, he won't stop keeping an eye on his daughter and trying to bring her home.
Was baby vespra raised very spoiled and like a princess and datura and dizzy and Megan raised with the right mind set for a child since they were raised in a hotel and not a tower and if so what’s all their conflict with each other
Vespera truly lived in isolation in the Tower, surrounded by her parents' and aunt's employees.
It was impossible not to spoil Vespera.
Vox and Valentino literally dubbed her "the true princess of Hell." And she grew up thinking everyone owed her.
They struggled to coexist under the same hotel roof—Maggie literally crushed their personal boundaries, Datura and Vespera had their own feud, and Dizzy had created a terrarium of monsters in the hotel basement that harassed the guests.
This is so specific but Zeezi has monopoly (aka keeps/looks after/owns) all the dinosaur sinners in hell.
This is purely because Val texts Angel once saying he wanted to ask Zeezi for her crew to film with dinosaurs and I wondered why he couldn't get them from anywhere else.
First headcanon including Zeezi I believe!! Hooray!!
“Effie being older than Haymitch destroyed the possibility of a relationship between them, cause it doesn’t work with the dynamic they had before”
Sorry, but how is this giving “younger than him” vibes? Their dynamic has always been Haymitch as a caring and smart, but considerably immature man who messes with her while still trusting her guidance with the preparation for the Games, while Effie was the responsible, methodical escort who singlehanded everything while also making sure he was still breathing. How does him being older than her is necessary for this dynamic to work??????????
while its am very excited for Season 3 of Hazbin Hotel, I am also VERY disappointed that Carmilla and her daugthers will be seemingly sidelined this coming season.
Because not only did S2 lay the groundwork for a potential arc of her facing the consequences of helping Vox but also perhaps realizing that maybe what she does for a living isn't the best option moving forward, but no top of that Viv also stated that the theme of S3 will be family. With The Morningstars and Angel Dust's family being given more focus and development.
Plus, Zestial is supposed to get a slightly bigger or more notable role, given we will be getting some of/part of his backstory this season. So with this you think would mean that Carmilla and her family would be getting alot more focus as well. But Viv has aaid next to NOTHING about her role this season. Which is weird because considering that Carmilla's family seems to be the closests to a healthy functional family we have seen so far, they could use her family to contrast with how dysfunctional the Morningstar's are and how clearly toxic Angel's situation is.
But nope, it seems like Carmilla will be sidelined this season, her daugthers will likely be notjing more then characters that exists yet again, and even the stuff Viv mentioned with Zestial feels weird, because this is what she saif when talking about him in S3 according to the Wiki:
"Zestial is bad like other characters, and season 3 will have allusions to what he did."
What the heck is that supposed to mean? Is he going to be a Villain? Potentially the main villain if not Alastor or Lilith or Val or whoever? Or is whatever we learn going to be planting the seeds for him to be a threat later? If not any of that, then is it just saying that was he did in his past made him bad? Or is he bad but more mellowed out thanks to Carmilla? I have no idea because the way its worded sounds weird.
Yes, i could be overreacting, and we will likely get more about S3 once we get closer to its release date, but it be such a shame, because Carmilla is tied with Emily as my favorite female character in the show and second favorite character in the show in general (No. 1 is still Alastor), and id hate to see S3 just sideline her and do nothing with her character, after being a side character in S1, and doing more in S2 but doing something that left the fans divided.
Sigh, oh well with Velvette being the main Vee of S4, here's hoping Carmilla and her daughters get more of a focus in that season.
If you think about it, the depth of Misako and (normal form) Garmadon's relationship is not that displayed much compared to when Garmadon is not in his normal form. Like the tent scene? *Muah* angsty, complicated, the yearning is in the air. The hallway scene? painful. The season 10 finale? How can a short lasted dialogue carry so much bittersweetness, and the way they say each other's names in that scene add a sting to it. The time Misako and Sensei Garmadon got to interact that much was in season 4 and it was not a very decent circumstance either💀💀.
It's crazy to me that Misako have more chemistry with resurrected Garmadon (citing 15th anniversary music video), or maybe it's just a matter of screentime
When it comes to sudden crises that test their morals...
Wu takes time to assess the situation from all angles. He can be slow to act, but his choice usually reflects a good balance between being opportunistic and maintaining morality. People often criticize Wu HEAVILY for his inaction, but he’s just slow acting and thinking over all the options.
Garmadon will act quickly sometimes in favor of opportunism and sometimes in favor of morality or justice. Either way, he approaches all situations with conviction and stubbornness, which can make him impulsive, but more effective than Wu under some circumstances. He more often acts in favor of opportunism as Lord or Emperor, but as Sensei he leans more towards morality (though he is still highly opportunistic given how he treated the letter situation). An example of a time he immediately chooses what is “just” is when he rejects Chen’s offer without further consideration and judges Wu for considering it at all.
Lloyd sort of does both of these. At least he is learning to. He is much less impulsive than his father, having been taught more predominantly by Wu, but he still has a touch of that conviction that was just inherited. Lloyd can also be stubborn, but he learns to balance his preference for taking action with careful consideration, making him potentially BETTER at decision making than Wu and Garmadon. He is also the son of Misako which gives him another layer of careful consideration over impulsivity.
It's creation vs. destruction. Wu creates, he contemplates and approaches things often with a gentle hand because the goal is to build upon what is already there. Garmadon destroys. He is skeptical of what is already there, he tears it down. Both are necessary. Destruction is often framed as bad in ninjago, but it is also needed. I think one of the biggest reasons Lloyd is the green ninja to begin with is that he has the opportunity to strike that balance. While he follows Wu's teachings and later tends to reject Garmadon's (Emperor), he might actually be wrong to do so. Despite how powerful Wu and Garmadon are being the most direct descendants of the first spinjitsu master, I think balance has always been what makes someone stand out as powerful in ninjago, and I think that's something Wu and Garmadon both struggle with.
The concept of “knowing each other for 25 years” is so abstract that I only just realized: Effie, Haymitch, and Plutarch have known each other longer than I’ve been logged in to Earth Online.
Rewatching Feast, and I'm certain that this must have been noticed by others before- but when Feast is defeated and the Temple in Tibet reappears, I find it interesting that Gabriel and Nathalie, Tomoe, and then Audrey are successively shown watching (or listening to, in Tomoe's case) the news report with notable interest.
We know that Gabriel and Nathalie have an interest in this for obvious reasons; and with Tomoe's connection with Gabriel and his inner circle/ Kagami being a Senti, it makes sense that they showed Tomoe as well. Which leaves Audrey. Why would they specifically show her next- unless she, too, has a connection with the peacock miraculous? I know it's been theorised by some that she used it to create at least one or more (or all!) of her children, and this might be why she's shown here (though I haven't personally seen anyone discussing this particular scene, I'm sure I can't be the only one who got tripped up by this seemingly deliberate sequence).
I haven't watched season six yet, so I'm not sure about Noe, but thus far I don't recall anything in Chloe or Zoe's behaviour to indicate that they're being controlled by Amoks. Chloe is famously bull-headed and does her own thing; her desire to please her mother seems mostly a genuine cry for her attention. Similarly, Zoe also does her own thing and is a bit of a rebellious teen in some aspects (but then, Adrien tries to do that to!). We also have no indication of Audrey being in ill health due to using a broken peacock miraculous; same deal with Andre, and we don't know enough about Zoe's father to make any comment about him. One assumes that he is alive and well, or Zoe would have already stated that he's ill/ deceased, imo.
However, since we already know that he loaned it to Colt and Tomoe, I would NOT be surprised if Gabriel had loaned the peacock to multiple other people in his inner circle/ The Kingdom at large so that they can create their own perfect little Senti babies. Audrey's position in the Kingdom, according to the Miraculous wiki, is still unclear, but she clearly does have a role there since Noe is set to be the new Diamond (again, I haven't yet seen season six, so am going off the Wiki). We also still don't know anything much at all about the Kingdom yet, aside from that Nathalie is the daughter of one of their leaders, and that Gabriel and Tomoe are among them.
It's a lot to chew on, and I'm undecided what to think. Perhaps Audrey had her daughters naturally, but used the peacock to make Noe- hence why she has affection for him, since he's her 'best' child, and her daughters are unable to be controlled and are thus imperfect? Maybe they're all sentis, and we need some extra lore as to why Audrey is seemingly not impacted by the broken peacock? Or maybe none of her children are sentis, so Adrien, Felix, and Kagami truly are our only senti children!
IDK. I'm just running a train of thought here. Since this episode is set in season three, it makes me wonder just how far in advance they'd planned the senti-children/ Kingdom plotline...
Needless to say: this sequence may be small, but I'm convinced it's deliberate. I got my tinfoil hat on. Just saying.
What are you guys thinking? Is there anything I've missed?
What do you think we will see of the Overlords besides just Alastor and the Vees (Zestial, Rosie, and Carmilla Carmine) next season?
For Rosie I think it’s pretty obvious she’s going to play a bigger role in season three since season two revealed the whole soul deal with Alastor and her mysterious plans that somehow involve the Hotel. It just makes sense story wise to have the set up be resolved in the season that also involves learning about all the Morningstar family drama since she has some sort of connection to them.
Viv mentioned that Zestial will have part of his backstory revealed in season three so I think it’s fair to say he’ll play a noticeable role but I’m straight up not sure what that could be lol, I think we’ll have to wait until we get more info on the upcoming season.
Carmilla is the real wild card here. Most of her screen time has revolved around the more action packed plots of the show, which makes sense because she’s a weapons dealer lol. Season three has been described as an emotional season so it might shift from external conflicts to internal conflicts and end up sidelining Carmilla.
HOWEVER, she does have that relatively unexplored dynamic with her daughters and her late lover, so they might bring her into the plot as some sort of narrative foil to the Morningstars. Again though I have no clue so I’ll just have to wait impatiently to see where the writers take her.
Alternate name for Sunrise on the Reaping is actually "top ten things haymitch didn't tell katniss"
1. He was kinda friends with her dad
2. His birthday is on reaping day
3. He remembers her dad bringing her everywhere as a toddler
4. Louella
5. Mags was his mentor
6. Snow threatened him personally before the games
7. He and her dad used to swim in the lake together
8. Her dad punched peetas dad out of the way of a bullet at the reaping
9. Burdock and lenore dove were cousins
10. He played with play dough that her grandmother made
11. Her dad was a paulbearer at the Mega Funeral
12. Her dad literally pulled him away from the burning remains of his childhood home and took him to the victors village for the first time, and slept in the living room in case he came out
13. Him and her dad actually go waaaaay back and seem to have been childhood besties
14. Her mom knocked him out with sleep syrup afterwards
15. He was a bootlegger
16. They kept him in a birdcage and made people hand feed him through the bars at the afterparty
17. He's known effie for 25 years
18. He's seen footage of the other district 12 Victor
Oh yeah and he went into the games with a plan to blow up the arena
In 1x07, Carmilla and Vaggi have a very significant song/conversation in discussing the Angels and how to defeat them: Carmilla tells Vaggi she "won't stand a chance unless she's out for love" in the battle. And as some have noted, this may be why of all the heroes in the fight in 1x08, Alastor is the one who puts up the worst showing.
On the surface, Alastor is an ideological nemesis/counterpoint to Charlie and the series' main themes. Our heroine believes in the power of love and friendship, and love and friendship are continually shown to be the ways through which the characters find redemption and joy. Charlie and Vaggi save each other with their romantic love; Lu's familial love for Charlie pulls him out of his depression, Husk and Angel's love saves/improves them both, and even the Vees are saved from complete destruction by their affection for each other.
If Alastor really believes what he said to Vox - There are no friends in hell and love is a weakness - if he really is just the monster he presents himself as, then the story trajectory seems clear. Charlie, the heroine who believes in friendship/love, will prove him wrong; the narrative will prove him to be mistaken, etc. However, the story isn't simple in that way. It's not just a nihilistic monster who thinks love is a joke vs a classic Shonen/Shojo hero.
The key isn't that Alastor can't love/care and our heroes can. The difference is: the heroes will take the risk of getting hurt that comes with opening yourself up to caring, and Alastor is afraid to.
If we assume (as this video outlines) that Alastor is capable of caring in his own way, but responds to genuine feelings with fear - fear that he'll be used - then that changes the perspective here. The series does not present love as a simple, painless thing. Charlie and Vaggi love each other, but they also hurt each other a lot - Charlie is hurt in 1x06 by Vaggi lying to her, Vaggie is hurt by Charlie in s2 when she pushes her away. Charlie and Lu have hurt each other in their family bond (in the past, in 2x05 when she kicks him out). Husk and Angel hurt each others' feelings sometimes too; Cherrie and Sir Pentious are what Radiostatic would be if it was healthier; and the Vees hurt each other badly in season 2. Love isn't simple. Love can mean getting hurt.
There's a difference, obviously, between the ways love can lead to getting hurt or wounded and actual abuse, as Val and Angel demonstrate for contrast. But the show does show that, when it comes to healthy, mutually loving relationships, you need to be able to risk the pain (go through the pain, as the Buffyverse would put it) of getting hurt.
That is actualized in action from in the battle in 1x08. Alastor has opened himself up, against his will, to caring again; he's almost there, almost in a place where he can take the risk for his friends again. But when he takes a stand against Adam, he gets hurt (physically).
But he's not the only one. Charlie and Vaggi both get injured really badly fighting the angels. Sir Pentious dies after taking some damage. The rest of the crew all face pain and danger here. Vaggi gets injured as badly as Alastor fighting Lute, if not more. But, when Alastor gets injured, he immediately quits and slinks away. The others don't.
Because they have something to fight for - something they're ready to get hurt to protect. And it makes them all very brave.
It's why Alastor comes across as so pathetic and comparatively cowardly/weak in this finale. He has the potential to care for others, but as soon as he gets wounded, he runs away. The others all fight through the pain and take the risks. It brings them friendship, community, redemption (in Sir Pentious' case) and strength. The real kind of strength and courage, not the fake kind Alastor uses to prop himself up.
Metaphorically, Alastor almost takes the risk of opening himself up to others, and once again gets hurt. Just like with Vox in the past (from his point of view). He let someone become close to him, and got hurt, and responded by doubling down on never caring, because he won't take the pain of being hurt.
(Which does make Vox a lot braver than him, be cause he does take the risk. He asks Al to be partners. He's opened up again to friendships with the Vees. He also looks a murderous angel (Lute in 2x05) in the face, who's ready to kill him, and doesn't blink. He takes injuries in battle and keeps going. And he does defeat Alastor in 2x08 - in that he reduces him to crawling around on the ground with a giant fuck off dead canon in his face, and also survives and lives another day - because he has friends. He has Shock.wav to save him, his passionate feelings about Alastor to motivate him, and Vel and Val to protect him from himself.)
Alastor, for all his bravado, is too afraid to take the risk of the pain that can come with love. And that's what he's missing - the courage to take the risk of the hedgehog's dilemma. And ironically, that fear makes him incredibly weak, almost pathetically so. Real strength, as the show demonstrates, comes from both working together with others (the hotel, how the Vees are nearly unstoppable as long as they remain a team, Hear my Hope, etc.) and having someone to care for, someone to fight for.
I think that Alastor's fear of letting someone in needs to be his downfall somehow in order to support this point. Love needs to be shown to ultimately be worth taking the risk. Possibly this will be simple enough. Alastor will be defeated and stripped of his power and left with nothing, not even Nifty's friendship, because of that fear.
Because you don't stand a chance unless you're out for love.
I think that the most interesting aspect of radiostatic to me is the fact that they bring out in each other aspects of their personality that would otherwise go completely unnoticed. Not just that, but those parts are the most difficult and uncomfortable ones to face for both of them, and it forces them to grow and develop as people, for better or for worse.
Vox is capable and cutthroat, but he is completely unable to regulate his emotions. Alastor is lodged inside of him like an arrow in that aspect, Vox can’t take him out without tearing himself apart.
Alastor believes his strength relies on his independence and elusive abilities, but his attachment to (and possessiveness over) Vox renders him vulnerable, despite his best wishes.
I believe that their relationship adds significant depth to both their characters.
Nobody will ever be able to convince me Vox is actually jealous of Alastor and Lucifer's dynamic. He's jealous of Charlie and Alastor's dynamic and the fact that Al is working and praising Charlie in a way he never got.
