hi, i have been a larrie for 6 years, never doubter it. now i am rethinking everything. i dont think i can look at their relashionship and agree that it isnt a toxic one.
harry had dinner with rob stinger when your s/o’s sister just tragically passed away. the euphoria fiasco was horrible to louis while harry profited from it. harry had publically dinber w liam gallangher which is louis dream. ”the drink and my wandering hands” how can you interpret that in any other way than harry cheated? or the way louis digs at how harry is a ’greedy fucker’ in fearless and the birthday tweet. it seems to me harry lets these ‘rumors’ fester on for his benefit when he knows they’re damning his partner ?
do you agree or do you think these things can be excused by jefe or contracts? xx
Look, I can tell you’ve been reading arguments from a certain side of the fandom, because I recognise them in your ask.
The thing that I think every single person in the fandom needs to get, like to really get into their own heads, is that we don’t know these people.
Can I categorically prove that neither Harry or Louis is or has been an abusive partner? Nope. Neither can anyone. Anyone who says that is absolutely full of crap.
At the same time, can I, at this point in time, categorically prove that Harry or Louis is abusive or has been? Not really.
The problem is that people are looking for the full story and trying to piece it together from tiny scraps of information, and filling in the gaps with value judgements or made up bullshit about how the law works. It’s happening on all sides.
For instance, I don’t know why Harry acted that way around Fizzy’s passing. But I’ve also never had a partner’s sister die. I don’t know how I would act. It’s not my job to police grief. Maybe Harry was being an asshole, maybe they broke up, maybe he had to go to a business meeting while grieving. We don’t know.
Again with Euphoria, I don’t know if someone had to approve that from Harry’s team. Neither do you. If they did, I don’t know if Harry himself approved it. I don’t think anyone really profited off of that snippet of ‘fan fic’ being animated in an HBO show. Once again, maybe they’ve broken up and Sony okay’ed it without asking Louis, maybe no one asked them at all and they are together. I don’t know.
It’s been made clear by Liam himself that he knows BOTH Harry and Louis so I don’t know why people harp on about that.
With lyrics, once again, you can’t insist they are interpreted literally. People insist that to try and prove Larry is real, which isn’t always fair, and people insist that to try and prove it isn’t. Lyrics are fictional. Maybe they tell us a bit of the truth, maybe they don’t. Once again, I don’t know. Cheating is, although awful, not uncommon. Maybe Harry did cheat. Maybe Louis’ lyrics like ‘I’m sorry that I hurt you darling’, show that Louis cheated too. Maybe it’s just storytelling and metaphor. No one knows.
I don’t know if Louis’ tweet was about Harry or not. It may well be. It may not be. It may be it was but they are together and both annoyed at Harry’s merch team.
In terms of ‘Harry lets the rumours fester on’, well, you could argue Louis does too. I mean, you could argue that it’s interesting that the fan art that was chosen for Defenceless is the most overt Larry reference he picked, and Defencless is the song that happened to be pushed by fans up the charts. You could argue Louis did that on purpose. It’s entirely plausible that they both let ‘larry’ fester on in order to keep a fan base. It’s entirely plausible they are actually together and they refer to it because it means something to them. It’s entirely plausible that they were together and broke up. I don’t know.
People in this fandom need to understand that none of us know. I don’t know Harry as a person so it would be ridiculous of me to say ‘this is 100 percent how he is with his partners’. Similarly, I don’t know Louis either. Unless something actually damning comes out about either of them re how they treat people (eg allegations) I mean...I can’t make sweeping judgements of people without nuance if I don’t know them and nothing damning has been brought to light.
No one here knows what has happened between Harry and Louis. We conjecture, but we are all building a puzzle out of a box with 80 percent of the pieces missing and pretending that means something concrete. It’s entirely possible they’ve broken up, or they’ve broken up and gotten back together, or they never broke up, or they are together but one of them is actually a piece of shit. I can’t tell you what’s true or not. No one here actually can, on any side.
As I’ve said a million times, this fandom loves to blame ‘contracts’ for things that are almost certainly not contractual. That’s because a lot of people in this fandom don’t have a legal education (and no, being pre law does not count) and don’t know how contracts work. This fandom has completely made up stuff about the law, and it’s actually a little dangerous. So if you’re thinking ‘a contract is probably doing this’ in regards to One Direction, I would say close to 90 percent of the time, people have zero reason to think that.
Similarly, people have demonised Jeff for reasons that make no sense. Jeff is definitely a massive capitalist and probably not someone I would be friends with, but he’s a manager. It’s his job to ask his client what the client’s goals are, and to get shit done. It’s NOT his job to actively closet his client against his will or control...the entire music industry. Harry sought out Jeff, Harry befriended Jeff, Harry clearly hand picked the Azoff’s YEARS AGO as people he wanted to work with, Jeff isn’t some wizard who is tricking Harry and working against him. Harry picked him. Harry is clearly personal friends with him. They are working together.
What does that mean? I don’t know. I suspect it means Harry signed his solo contract (which wouldn’t be ‘closeting him’) and he and Jeff had a plan for his solo career, which would have included the notion that Harry isn’t going to come out right now. People on here pretend they are really sympathetic to ‘closeting’ but apparently hate anyone who is closeted by choice, and not by some kind of made up contractual term that Harry supposedly signed full well knowing he’d get forcibly closeted AGAIN.
Why is Louis being treated shit by Sony? I don’t know. Could it be because they broke up and Harry’s team is actively trying to keep Louis’ off of anyone’s radar. I mean...sure. Could it be they are together and Sony doesn’t see Louis as an asset they care about/they see Harry as their golden goose and want to invest in him and not jeopardise him, and Harry can’t do anything about that? Could be. None of us know.
I don’t know why Louis would sign with Syco again in 2017. I don’t know why Harry acted x way around y time. No one does. Anyone on this website telling you they know why things are happening with more certainty than anyone else, UNLESS, they are speaking to expertise they actually have, is being insincere.
People need to understand we have literally like...ten percent of the picture. Personally I am here because I do currently believe they are together, but I 100 percent cannot say that that is the truth. I can point to x and y behaviours to prove my point, but anyone else who thinks differently can point to a few too. It’s fine.
People need to stop seeing Harry and Louis and their lives as this way to gain social currency over other people on the internet, and as this way to control massive amounts of discourse and gain followers. There are things I can say that I’m pretty sure about, like they were always fond of each other in the band and the tattoos clearly relate to each other and Louis’ album speaks to a long term relationship and revolves around oppression and he doesn’t appear to have seen his son in a long while. I can’t tell you with certainty why that all is. I can tell you what I think, you can tell me what you think, ultimately we are both working with limited information.
So you know, I don’t know them, you don’t know them, no one does. We actually don’t know their story. And people 100 percent try and explain certain narratives of their story that they personally like, whether it be the perfect romance or the jaded oppressed Louis or whatever, by adding in a lot of assumptions and value judgements and made up legal shit and demonising random people for no discernible reason.
Personally, I’m just here because I love Harry and Louis’ content, I think they are probably together, if new evidence changes that then I’ll re-evaluate etc. It’s chill. When did people here stop being chill?