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Lucifer WAS right all along

LuciferFans. Rejoice. Our Lord was correct all along. We knew it. We believed in Him and now it has been confirmed he was right all along about Chuck.

Lucifer. The first victim of his father’s cruelty.

Lucifer haters. It is all okay. Lord Lucifer understands. God fooled you all. He made you believe he cared for you. He made you think he loved you. Your prayers make him laugh because you are his favourite show to watch. All those bad grades? That dead end job? All your OTPs sinking and your favourite babies dying? Every time somebody in Game of Thrones has died? God is laughing at your pain. You are his entertainment.

Lucifer loves you. His Holy Son, Jack, died for you but as we shall see, Jack will raise again and bring unto us Paradis.

The Light Bringer wishes you to walk in His light! Join us. Come away from your fake!God, he is just a writer…a writer who loves angst and sunken OTPS and dead characters…

A new Dawn is coming and Lucifer is bringing it!

blakechaos08

God is… Sadistic? Yes. Simply doesn’t care? Also yes.

Praise our lord 😈 He always the one who told the cruel truth but no one believes him.

angel-e-v-a

No one believed because no one wanted. People may go about how much they hate lies, but to be real, they hate the truth way more. Just look at the finale, it was so brilliantly described. People tell/get told the truth, and chaos ensues. They can’t stand it. And of course, it was much easier to believe that Lucifer, whom people connect to all things evil, was the main Big Bad, rather than God.

People always forgot that Chuck, no matter how good he appeared to be, was toying with everything. His sons, the Winchester, the many worlds he created and erased as unsuccessful drafts. People forget that it was Chuck who originally added fuel into the fire and orchestrated the whole Michael vs Lucifer business.

blakechaos08

People actually hate truth more than they hate lies. Yes, exactly. Just like 14x20, people live on lies, without lies, the world just gonna end itself.

But did they really not see the truth? No, sometimes people sees the truth but refuse to them. Because they don’t like it, so they don’t believe it. Just like Lucifer’s words about Chuck. Everyone tends to believe that he was trying to trick them. Because why not? Believing that “Satan is lying” was way much easier to accepted than “God is lying”.

angel-e-v-a

Except I never believed Lucifer was lying. The only reason I never truly wanted him to trash the entire world was because I’m fond of other characters, and think they deserve better than to die caught in the middle of that. Also, because it never would have made Lucifer happy. He just wanted his father to love him. He needed love.

I neither believed that Chuck was really villainous, but I didn’t believe him to be all sunshine and rainbow either.

Whatever his agenda is, he probably has a good reason for it, but this doesn’t still change the fact that this, murdering his grandson, is not the first terrible deed of his.

He locked his favorite son away to rot for eternity. His schemes chased Gabriel away from heaven. He ruined his family. And escaped. This speaks loads about him as a person.

blakechaos08

Yes, even from the very beginning, Chuck creates the angels and made them working like part of a huge machine - Heaven. And then, he forced his “favorite sons” to kill each other.

He sitting behind a computer acting like a normal human while his former-favorite sons and his now-favorite creations fighting, suffering and dying. He wears a satisfied smile watching them while everyone was painful for this “ending”.

That. That should prove something.

Tbh I always kinda - vigilant against the “very good side” and “the Creator” roles in every mythology and religious story. Sounds like conspiracy theories too much right? XD never thought it’ll became true in SPN.

angel-e-v-a

Right, I personally think that even for real God/Gods (whoever that is/are), we are just a game too. Like an enormous tabletop RPG. Or bigger version of Sims.

Yup. I mean, some writers even cry about their characters they have to kill off. And he kinda just doesn’t feel anything for them.

blakechaos08

(Ouch I think you’re talking about me XD)

Yeah, because why not?

Even for the real Gods/Creators, if their creation not following their rules or trying to do something else, that’ll be like… having glitches, BUGs or virus in a game.

And what will we do when it happens?

We fixed it, erased it.

Or we deleted that game and get a new one.

(Aaand also one of the reasons I love Lucifer. He’s a typical image of “The Rebel One”, who fight against “the hypocritical absolute authority”. This kind of tragic heros always my favorite)

angel-e-v-a

Yes. And it’d be weird if they did otherwise. What is point in a game if it’s not running properly? We just blame them because we don’t try to put ourselves in their place.

Like people blame Lucifer for wanting the Apocalypse. I mean, he is a higher being than us. When an Archangel murders a human, it’s not the same level crime, if crime at all, like when humans murder other humans.

It’s actually the same like we kill pests. Not a crime. It’s the removal of something that is beneath us and is a danger or a nuisance.

Yup. Lucifer is the original rebel. I always loved Lucifer because of that. And not only Spn Luci. He was the first one ever to say, no, I don’t like it, I will choose for myself, no one can tell me what to do, because I know what I’m worth of, and that is impressive. The will, the pride and the determination. One of my favorite traits.

blakechaos08

Yes. And the reason why Lucifer want Apocalypse is God asked the angels bow before human. It’s kinda suspicious if think it over. Like he was doing it on purpose, like he knew Lucifer won’t stand this… like he knew he can’t fully control Lucifer beacause he already has free will, so he found another way to punished him.

I always believe that Lucifer is “the father of free will” and he’s the one who gives it to human XD

And yes, definitely not just SPN Lucifer. Lucifer is such a attractive character in almost every works, Paradise Lost especially.

angel-e-v-a

He was doing it on purpose. And Lucifer once mentioned that. He mentioned that God wanted the devil.

Yup. Agree with that. It’s technically canon in the religious verse. He gave people the opportunity to choose. And not only that, and not only him. Demons too. Remember back in old times, when a lot of knowledges were deemed illegal by church and they were burning people at stakes like the witches?

Church always wanted people to live in ignorance. Knowledge they couldn’t accept was branded immoral, and satanic. And Satan, well, as La Vey once said, he’s the best friend the church ever had, as he kept it in business all these years XD

Paradise Lost? I am in looove with that book <3

Yup, he’s an interesting character in much works, but somehow, as much I adore our Spn Luci, I find it hard to connect him with the image of real Lucifer. Lucifer is not brash and hot-headed, he’s the spirit of calm, pride and enlightenment. We can say that season 5 Lucifer is the closest they got to accurate portrayal of Lucifer.

blakechaos08

Yes exactly, that’s the biggest reason why I’m so angry - furious with the SPN writers.

I love SPN Lucifer since s5, tbh that’s the Lucifer I love most (even more than Lucifer in Paradise Lost). Then here comes s7, I still can convinced myself that’s not Lucifer, that’s Hallucifer, who’s from the cage and Sam’s hallucination. And then, there’s s10 and s11 and so on…

The new SPN Lucifer is like a combination of s5 Lucifer and Hallucifer. I love the red eyes they given him and the forked tongue they given to Hallucifer. But this Lucifer is not the one I fall in love with in first sight.

They ruined s5 Lucifer, the amazing, attractive and beautiful character. And they also ruined many characters and many things in this show (I used to be a huge Dean fan, until s7 *shrug*).

angel-e-v-a

Yup. They changed him quite a lot. But still, I think that his change, even though it went for worse, can still be logically explained.

They returned him to the Cage, not a long time after he obtained freedom, and that must had been a blow. I think, that somewhere along the way, after he thought he killed Gabriel, Michael rejected him for good, and Sam betrayed him as a vessel, he just stopped caring.

And after God abandoned him for a second time, he totally lost it. And can’t even blame him for that, poor little angel who only wanted attention and love.

I love Dean, always did, but I must agree with you, I did use to love him a lot more in the earlier seasons. Especially before what he did to that poor kitsune girl. And same goes for Sam too, I can’t recognize that amazingly smart and kind and forgiving Sammy everybody loves. Since the last half of the season 13, he changed. Just like a totally different person.

blakechaos08

Yes and that’s heartbroke. It’s like he really gave up after everything happened to him. And so does Lucifer and Jack’s father & son storyline. I can understand why he’s so angry when Jack called him a monster, for him, it’s just like repeating history. When Lucifer dead, I really felt happy for him. Because he won’t suffer anymore in the story and also, the writers won’t able to ruined my favorite Lucifer anymore.

I like this Lucifer too, he’s cute. But in my fics, I still trying to write that Lucifer in s5. Well, he’s the unforgettable muse for me, I think XD

Yeah, for me, it’s Dean killed that poor fox mother in front of her child. This is just my opinion, but since that, I realized that their decide to kill monsters or not is such arrogant. Especially when they let the witch couple go after they killed dozen people because of some quarrels. They let them go because a) they can’t kill them because they’re too strong and b) they helped them get rid of two Leviathans.

Also just my opinion, I think they’re right that Dean and Sam represent humanity. They have the best side in humanity, and also have the worst side. It’s just many people refuse to admit it because the worst part also inside them.

angel-e-v-a

I agree, there’s nothing sadder than someone completely giving up. I was also saddened by what he decided to do after getting angry at Jack, but still I understood too, how terrible he felt at that moment.

Yeah, he’s cute and more often than not looks like just a cinnamon roll throwing a temper tantrum, which confuses me to no end sometimes. Like, I’m supposed to at least be able to acknowledge he’s doing something wrong, and once I start doing so and actually getting angry at him, he makes a puppy face or says something stupid, and I’m all just, oh come, on, I can’t even try to view you as evil and get angry, this is not fair. 😂

Yeah, they have a weird habit of deciding who gets to live and try for redemption and who doesn’t. They forgave Alex, a girl who used her looks to lure man to death, but the Kitsune girl who actually saved Sam’s life wasn’t to be forgiven, at least not by Dean.

But then again, that’s why I like Sam and Dean. They are realistic, relatable. As you say, they represent humanity. At least, the humanity the way it’s supposed to be. They are both heroes and villains, both monsters and saints, they do great things and make mistakes, all of that at the same time. They are struggling and fighting, but they always come up on the top at the end. And the mere fact they didn’t break and didn’t tell the entire world just to go and save or ruin itself the best way it knows, speaks volumes how amazingly strong they are.

As for people, they are never going to admit there’s something wrong with those they love. Because a lot of those people love Sam and Dean because they think they are sheer gold. If they were forced to admit there’s darkness in them as in everyone, that would completely ruin it for them.

blakechaos08

Yeah I know XD I mean even he said it himself that he’s a bad guy and he’s doing horrible thing and he likes it. But I’m just like, okay then you do it babe XD

Already sounds very problematic right? Idk I think I just love that he doesn’t hiding it, he doesn’t find any reasons to rationalize himself, he just admit it. He’s clear and he just real. And yeah I think it’s just such weird when you love some characters. You can find thousands of reasons that why you love them, but you also can just have one and only reason, that is, you just love them.

Yeah they’ve struggled all the way till here. I can’t deny them, especially after everything they’ve been through. I think I’m just can’t approve of their behavior. It’s mainly because all the supernatural stories I heard since I was a kid are all have some kind of justice in them. No one can decide others lives in such easy way just because they can. And most of the monsters in those stories are even better, more reasonable and honest than human.

Okay this going a little too far XD I sometimes hope the writers can let them learn something from their mistakes. Ignorance and weakness are not barrier to existence, but arrogance. Just like what they’ve done to Jack, and many times before. I have to say that in my opinion, even John Winchester is a terrible parent, but at least he did a good job as a hunter.

Yes and that’s why sometimes discussions can end up in a ugly way. I think it’s important to acknowledge both your favorite characters’ good side and bad side. If not, then it just prove that you only love their good side, not the whole character.

angel-e-v-a

Yes. This. He likes doing terrible things and is not ashamed of it. I don’t care if someone is good or bad, to be honest. I don’t judge/approve people or automatically hate/love them for either of that. But whatever you are, please, be aware of what you’re and don’t be a hypocrite. I hate when people pretend to be something they aren’t.

Yup. I also grew with supernatural stories, and myths. I spent my childhood in love with Odysseus , Morgana le Fey and trickster fox Da Ji XD

Well, technically, the monsters in SPN are sometimes more reasonable and honest than humans too, but maybe the writers are just trying to portray how the prejudices (monster=bad) can be harmful, when choosing to have Sam or Dean eliminate those that are not wrong just because monsters.

As for John, I’m probably going to be put at a stake and burned because of this by many people, but here it goes. John Winchester is my hero forever.

John Winchester, who loved his wife so much he couldn’t forgive her death or forget her, but spent the rest of his life, ruined it, just to find the one who killed his beloved Mary.

I love him to pieces. Just like Nick. Because of the same thing. They wanted justice for their love no matter what it would take. Justice nobody else cared to pursue. And I don’t care how many people can call them monsters, or delusional, for me they are heroes.

Besides, as bad of a parent John was, Dean and Sam would never survive if it wast for him. They were destined to be what they are, and if it hadn’t been for John to guide them around, they’d either turn to dark side or face death.

It is. If you love someone, you love them with all their sides, bad and good equally. You can’t just pick up a part. You love someone as a whole, sins and virtues in the same package, or that love is just a void word, and not true.

blakechaos08

Oh yes XD I agree with you. He’s the only hunter in SPN world that has done his hunter job perfectly, or at least with everything he got.

It’s like, “I want to take revenge for my wife, I want to protect my sons and I and I want to save the world” then he can gave up his life for his son and he also can gave up his son’s life to save the world (tho he never actually do it). I know many people hate him for this and about all the sacrifice things, but he’s just a normal hunter, no demon-killing knife, no angel blade. That’s all he got to do his duty, as a father and a hunter.

I’m sorry about what I’m gonna say, but it’s true that Sam and Dean really did a horrible job as hunters. The amounts of end-of-the-world caused by them are more than they saved-the-world. Or, most of end-of-the-world are caused by them.

And yes, John and Nick have many similarities. They are both broke men because of the things they lost. And they learnt everything by themselves to take revenge for their family. If they’re gonna take some shows about SPN, please tell us more about John and Nick’s story XD I’d love it.

angel-e-v-a

What he did was impressive. No special weapons, no supernatural interventions, and John figured and fought it all out by himself. From an ordinary man who had no idea about things in the shadows, he turned into a master hunter. And succeeded to make his kids get alive out of it too, and trained them. He made some mistakes when it came to parenting, but overall, considering the circumstances he was in, he did a wonderful job.

And what Nick did was impressive too. He found out all the truth by himself, which must have taken a lot of deductive skills, and got out of many tight spots with quick thinking. Man is intelligent and sharp-minded to the point of it being scary sometimes. And not to mention he somehow managed to make demons obey him. Him, who without Lucifer, to them must have been just an insignificant little human. And that’s one hell of an achievement.

I’d love those stories too! Especially to see the making of John’s famous diary. Both of those would be super interesting to watch, and not to mention that I could spend hours looking at Jeffrey and Mark even if there was nothing going on at all. I could watch those just making coffee or reading newspapers, and be all whoa, this is so great, highest quality entertainment XDD

Yeah, I have to agree. Sam and Dean made a whole whooping lot of mistakes. And the amount of world-ending was greater indeed. Yet, they still did a lot of important things. Just remember the Apocalypse World in which they were never born.

It’s almost like the world as a whole is attached to their existence, and no matter how much they mess it up or make it great, the world still needs them to survive through it all without getting permanently ruined.

blakechaos08

YESSS and I’d love these SPN spinoff!! John and Nick are both amazing characters and have been underestimated. There are so much more stories about them that worth to be tell. And Jeffery and Mark! If that really happened, it’ll be my dream show XD John and Nick really need a show talking about their own story.

And sometimes I hope they can let each other, you know, feel like they’ll make a good partnership on hunting things.

I agree and maybe this is how this world working. Because they’re the protagonists in Chuck’s story, so the whole world is based on their existence. And maybe before them, the protagonist is Lucifer. Just a headcanon XD

angel-e-v-a

Yup. I’d love seeing John and is hunts. And even a spinoff of young Mary and her family of hunters. And what would the coolest of all, a spinoff on angels back when it all started.

As for Nick, I’d absolutely love to know how he resolved all of that on his own. Also, to find out who he exactly was before Lucifer, because we know absolutely nothing about him except that at one point he had a normal family. He appeared to be an ordinary man, but there’s so much about him that implies otherwise. His manner of thinking in tight spots, his abilities, his obvious ease and skill at interrogating people etc.

There’s a possibility he was just an ordinary man with high intelligence, who just had to quickly learn how to adapt, but remember the words from his prayers to Lucifer? I like doing these things. And I don’t want to stop. I’m bonded to you and what you are. It’s how you first found me.

What if he once was a criminal, or even a member of the army, interrogator/torturer of sorts, kinda like Sayid from Lost. And what if he felt good doing those things but hated himself for it and decided to quit it all and start an ordinary life? And he thinks that Lucifer choose him because he knew that?

Oh my, Jeffrey and Mark XD I always hoped for Supernatural to somehow bring back John for good, and that I can get a scene with Jeffrey, Mark, and Misha in the same place. And totally get a heart attack XDDD

And I kinda wonder what would John’s reaction to Nick be. I don’t think he’d like him, for Nick wanted Lucifer back and attempted to harm Mary, but I think that John would understand his quest for revenge. I don’t think he’d judge him like Sam and Dean. I just don’t see John doing that.

Well, technically, there is sense in that. It’s only logic that world can’t exist without darkness/light. Chuck needed Lucifer as an opposite to give balance to the world, because I think Chuck, as a writer, found it quite boring that all his creations were sinless, docile, and rid of will. That must be why he gave him the Mark. Maybe he originally thought that Amara could be his opposite, but she wished nothing but to destroy everything and leave it empty, so he decided to imprison her, and guide Lucifer towards that path instead.

blakechaos08

And the classic SPN cases, no fancy weapons, just find clues, track them and solve the case. I never get bored of this XD

Of course they can get along that well when Nick want to get Lucifer back. It’s just a AU headcanon of mine where Nick never meets Lucifer and decide to solve his family’s case. The murderer is a demon for sure. And John on his own hunting trip while Dean and Sam are still young. It’s a little messed up with the original timeline in the show XD but I think it can be good one.

About Nick, I also have another theory. Maybe he used to be a too-normal kind of guy. High intelligent? Maybe. But he just doing a normal job and having a normal life. Love to drink and play poker maybe, and never done anything wrong. Everyone who knows him would said that he’s a nice guy with a charming sense of humor. But also, you know how tragedies can change a person.

I also like the theory of Nick’s family are distantly related to the Winchesters’. When he starts hunting, he’s surprised how quick he can learn and get used to these things. Maybe someone just born to be hunters XD

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