Love the dynamic of two characters where one is unhinged and the other is also unhinged but just appears hinged next to the more (obviously) unhinged one. But they're always together so you don't notice. Until you Do.
if i was a court jester i’d flirt with the king at any given opportunity. subtle at first but if he was interested and we’d share banter then i’d sit in his lap. then he would say i’m the funniest silliest little man alive and kiss me with tongue
how could he NOT fall in love with me though like i am literally there making him giggle, daily. a grown man covered in gold and he is just laughing at my stupid little jokes. i have that bastard wrapped around my finger. He knows it
I love when fanfic authors are freakishly unhinged. "Yes, hello, I am here to write a heart wrenching story about relationships and mortality. My medium is Ducktales (2017)"
personally? i enjoy being a fan of characters who have done Wrong. i like when a character is not a perfect victim, has hurt people, has transgressed, has done bad things. sometimes its nice to feel the sting yknow? and to recognize that a character is not a flawless perfect victim, but is deserving of understanding and compassion anyway. a lot of people in fandom refuse to let go of moral absolutism and its... rough.
I only come out of hibernation every so often so EXCUSE ME if I missed the whole Gaban-Shanks convo as another inciting incident for the shuggy incest convo...
I usually steer-clear of weighing in on inter-fandom conflicts, but since DG hits on specific familial themes that specifically address Roger as a paternal figure of sorts, here's my unsolicited opinion on the matter:
Two people can share a mentor, protector, or father-figure without being siblings.
You think any of the Roger pirates went out to sea looking to adopt some orphans? No. They took in two kids who would've died otherwise. Trained Buggy and Shanks as apprentices. Provided for them as best they knew how...
They were meant to learn how to be pirates, first. Not sons....
My point here is that acknowledging paternal care does not automatically create a sibling structure between the children involved.
But beyond intent, paternal instincts are not some trait that people develop as a by-product of producing a biological offspring. It is largely bound to social experience. Learning. Developing. That's how we build bonds. We're literally biologically programmed to care for our young/ dependents. If Gaban or anyone else viewed this very basic need to protect and provide for a young Buggy and Shanks as paternal, then that's their point of view, from their own experience. It doesn't make it wrong or right, it just gives weight and social understanding on how it made them feel.
In fact, the biggest blurring of any perceived incestuous line here lies entirely in the assignment of that very role-identity, but not how it is directed outwardly.
Regardless of the pseudo-adoption / “these are our kids” mentality that the crew may or may not have had with the boys, it is more important how Shanks and Buggy viewed each other. Incest taboos hinge on internalized, self-assigned family roles, not just shared caretakers.
Meaning: Did Shanks and Buggy internalize themselves as brothers?
Even when I was brand new to the fandom, my initial and continued impression was that Oda makes it pretty clear when he wants to make a distinction about brotherhood versus brothers, or, really, any kind of family versus found family dynamic. Take Luffy, Sabo, and Ace. They were raised as brothers, and that distinction is not just glossed over. It is mentioned again and again until there isn't any question.
I could be wrong, but I don't think we've been given that at all between Buggy and Shanks. In fact, as it has been pointed out, there is a clear lack of any kind of formal classification one gives to the other. I don't think that absence is unintentional.
What we are given instead is that Shanks and Buggy:
Don’t divide affection as siblings often do;
Do not have a "brotherly" rivalry but more of one that is peer-based;
There’s no older/younger caretaking dynamic;
No “we’re family, no matter what” reassurance language.
What we get instead is:
Competition for recognition (more from Buggy, but...);
Jealousy (again, Buggy);
Betrayal that cuts like a personal betrayal, not a sibling one;
A resulting fallout that lasts decades, not a hot and cold sibling squabble.
But, OK, let's address the other ethical questions beyond labels. The incest concern is also about:
Unequal power;
Coercion;
Lack of autonomy.
Shanks and Buggy are:
The same age;
Grow into independent adults apart from one another;
Re-encounter each other later with full autonomy.
They were brought up side by side, without ever being told what that should make them to each other. They shared space and circumstance, but no role was prescribed beyond that of apprentice. Maybe a peer, a rival, a friend... That was up to the two of them.
And even if Roger or the Roger crew saw themselves as “Dad(s),” Roger is gone by the time any adult dynamic could exist, and the crew all but abandoned them two decades prior to them even meeting again (interpret that abandonment as you will, I have my own theories...)
There’s no parental power still mediating the relationship, if there ever was to begin with.
Now, all of that said. If someone personally reads them as siblings, then they shouldn't ship them!
I get it. Truly. The perspective that shared parental attachment can create an emotional enmeshment that confuses already vague boundaries...
For some folks, that closeness feels too intimate to turn romantic.
For others, that intensity is exactly what makes it compelling.
It's OK to disagree because there is nothing set in canon to clarify what it is we should be perceiving. It is, in my opinion, vague for a reason that maybe we don't yet know. For now, it's all open to interpretation, and most likely always will be, and THAT'S OK.
I, personally, do not interpret Buggy OR Shanks as viewing one another as siblings. They are bonded by shared experience, but not any preset expectations or self-assigned brotherly role. That very specific ambiguity is, to me, the very reason there is even an argument, and therefore an important notion to consider.
**Please note that this is solely my interpretation. If anything, I feel ethically obligated to acknowledge that I have given the counter-arguments thought and care while trying to write a piece of fanfiction for fun. This is not meant to be some moral indictment of anyone else's opinion. **
Anyways the people move on too quick and forget that Shanks was literally in the bathtub naked with a look that matches intense lesbian yearning talking to Gaban about how he just want to live a simple life with Buggy.
Shanks saw Gaban's happy life with his wife and child and thought: I want my clown back.
Wouldn't it be neat if Buggy was a Ren Faire performer and Shanks was, like, the local carpenter or something hired to fix one of the stages after some performers -- Mohji and Cabaji, probably -- put a hole through the floor. And it just so happens to be Buggy's stage, too, and Shanks bumps into him and just becomes absolutely smitten...
Like, Buggy absolutely chews Shanks out for being in the way while he's trying to practice, or for him leaving tools scattered around, or, really, anything and everything even if it can't really be helped. Buggy finds a reason to be annoyed, anyway, and makes it a point to complain in the most over dramatic way possible, like Shanks was deliberately trying to ruin his show. And Shanks, just... Finds it endearing? Maybe even likes it? Too much? He likes this funny man with the big red nose and vibrant blue hair who can simultaneously cuss him out with his sharp tongue while juggling equally sharp knives...
And even after the work is done on the stage, Shanks just keeps finding reasons to come back? Like, "Oh, these boards are awful loose wouldn’t want anyone tripping," or, "Those support beams are a lawsuit waiting to happen," and, "Ya know, there's like half a dozen code violations here, actually. Maybe I can just..." All the while he's already brought his tool bags and sometimes Benn, who is torn between annoyance and awe at the increasing level of stupidity of the excuses Shanks seems to find and that the production keeps fully believing and paying him for, all so that he can shamelessly flirt with a glorified clown.
And when that clown starts to flirt back -- albeit with violence and insults -- and things around the Faire end up broken and in need of skilled labor. Well...
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He yanks his hood tighter over his face, voice muffled. “You were actually going to stab me?” And even though he doesn’t need confirmation, the panic keeps pushing. “What the fuck, man? What the actual fuck?”
The kid shrugs helplessly. “See? You’re freaking out.” He tucks the knife into his belt and steps back. It only makes Kenny want to slam him into the snowdrift and gain the upper hand.
IF AO3 IS TRENDING JUST BC PEOPLE ARE SHARING THEIR FICS PLS GO READ MINE I'm writing it in old(ish)er english and even though it's not my mother tongue I think I'm doing well! HISTORIC AU BTW