Hey Kali. Long term lurker here. I've been aspiring to untrain for years but I've hit a block. I've been wearing 24/7 for four years+ now. I threw out underwear, have ample supplies, seen doctor and hospital and have OAB and bedwetting on my record. My partner believes I'm incontinent now and is supportive, so I'm locked in and can't just 'stop'. But I seem unable to hit that point of involuntary wetting. I can pee in all positions but not uncontrollably. It feels unattainable. Any ideas? Thanks
Hey! Congratulations on having completed your 'social untraining,' so to speak. :)
As you accurately pointed out, you are locked in. There is a justified expectation, both social and institutional, that you will be in diapers full-time, and whether or not you conform with that expectation is being monitored basically 24/7. For you to leave diapers without making yourself seem to have committed a gigantic lie, basically your entire life would need to collapse.
There is no path out of diapers for you. Barring the unforeseen, any way out of diapers that you have would cause more harm to you than literally becoming completely incontinent would. In your context, anything like, say, retraining is nonsense. Given that, what you have isn't continence; it's involuntary urinary retention. That's what needs getting rid of.
There are two things I would suggest.
First, a behavioural change: If you're not already messing your diapers, consider beginning. The muscle groups involved in wetting and messing are connected. Relaxing both will lead to more effective habituation and loss of control for both. In addition, it will give you confidence in your diapers, that you might lack. It will also reduce the relative significance of wetting.
Second, I would strongly consider hypnosis. It sounds like what you need is that little extra push. Hypnosis will give you that. Here are some selections from WarpMyMind's Diaper/Incontinence section that are either well-regarded or that I can personally vouch for. Because, as above, I believe that messing will help your wetting control erode, I have also included messing suggestions. I don't know how to permalink and have not done so, but these files should be pretty easy to find just by searching their titles.
Accustomed To Wetting by Sarnoga. Causes you eventually to be unable to perceive that you are wetting your diapers.
Diaper Trap by EMG. Causes you to wet yourself uncontrollably while you are in diapers and for two hours after leaving them.
MM_BladderRetraining by MindMaster. Causes you eventually to wet your diapers full-time and uncontrollably. The conditioning is irreversible once it is completed.
MM Poopy Diapers by MindMaster. Causes you eventually to fill your diapers full-time and uncontrollably. The conditioning is irreversible once it is completed.
Safe Bladder Bowel Loss by EMG. Causes you to wet and fill your diapers uncontrollably if you are in a safe place.
The Diaper Does It by Sarnoga. Causes you to wet uncontrollably, whether asleep or awake, so long as you are wearing a diaper.
